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If you are sure then speak out. Tell the federal government to allow Igbos go, I will like to see how lazy people like Yorubas make a country

Dumaknesset:
Just that you know Biafra exit will make Lagos State alone the second richest country in Africa. I can't just wait for you guys to gerrarhear men! There is billions of Naira to be made by your exit.

webcalculator:
The only way secession will cause people to loose properties is if it happened without following a normal process. If there's referendum by the UN, Nigeria will be asked to give a certain part of their national wealth to the new nation. Processes will follow and there won't be loses of property. Remember there was the Soviet Union and now countries broke away. Read what happened to their money and investment. That you're a lawyer doesn't mean you are vast in this area.

If you have issues with lawyers you don't have to exhibit it here. If Biafra are going about it this way of insulting and casting aspersions on others, they will loose everything.

Now note there are port folio investment and direct ones in Nigeria, Biafra will lose almost all except, may be cash for those that are smart to convert it to a convertible currency like dollars et al before the exit.

This is why you will loose all your portfolio investments, they are all backed up by Nigerian laws and authority of Nigerian government which will no longer apply to you guys anymore e. g. treasury bills, bonds, equity, swap and others.


If you were not being disingenuous, the focal point of this thread is the real estate, no supranational organization will tell a nation to cut out its lands to foreigners, UN also is bound by the international principle of state sovereignty. Read it up and thank me later.

If you are sure then speak out. Tell the federal government to allow Igbos go, I will like to see how lazy people like Yorubas make a country

Dumaknesset:
Just that you know Biafra exit will make Lagos State alone the second richest country in Africa. I can't just wait for you guys to gerrarhear men! There is billions of Naira to be made by your exit.

webcalculator:
What about Russia? Is it still whole? You should be the one to go school

Typically Biafra,we have confronted you with difference between Brexit and Biafra now, all you need to do again now is to jump far away to Russia.

The sincere and legal answer is NO....wen u hv a house in london and also a house in kaduna...r u saying london authorities shld destroy ur house in london because u also base in kaduna NO....
Am open to more questions...

Jonathan39:
Charge and bail lawyer, what do you know. I thought you guys said Igbos where not the ones that developed Lagos? For your information, if loose there properties in the west, Yorubas will lose there property all over the world.

If you read between the lines, I said Yoruba don't mind losing o. 2 per cent of their real estate in alaigbo but you guys that owe 90 per cent of properties in Lagos in your warped imagination will loose more.

You didn't see that above, did you? Stop throwing ad hominem about and address the issue drilling hole in your dearie behind.

Mrjo:
who abandon the property?

Who did not abandon the property?

webcalculator:
The post-Soviet states, also collectively known as the former Soviet Union (FSU)[1] or former Soviet Republics, are the 15 independent states that emerged from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in its dissolution in December 1991, with Russia internationally recognised as the successor state to the Soviet Union. On March 11, 1990, Lithuania was the first to declare its independence, with Estonia and Latvia following suit in August 1991. All three Baltic states claimed continuity from the original states that existed prior to their annexation by the Soviet Union in 1944 and were admitted to the United Nations on 17 September 1991.[2][3] The remaining 12 republics all subsequently seceded.[2] 12 of the 15 states, excluding the Baltic states, initially formed the CIS and most joined CSTO, while the Baltic states focused on European Union and NATO membership.
Dumaknesset
Afamed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_states

So! what is the point of reference here!

Afamed:
Typically Biafra,we have confronted you with difference between Brexit and Biafra now, all you need to do again now is to jump far away to Russia.

We are in discussion, you have explained what brexit means and I accepted it. Russia is not far away, enlighten me about the former USSR or shut up. I'm a typical Biafra, I know you must be a Yoruba, that's why you are making all this effort to convince Biafrans. Once more, know that I'm a typical Biafran

emmadejust:
Hello nairalanders.

There is an arguement between my guy on, if a particular part in a country should decide or agree to succeed out from their original country.
That all individual property owned by people of other separatist will be lost to citizens of the other state/country.

My question is, does succession make legal property owned by individual lost because he/she is no more part of the other separatist country ?

Your detail analysis please

@ lalasticala

Sit down a listen to Nnamdi Kanu's interview about Igbo properties outside Igbo land and solid examples he gave which took place in different countries. Igbos are loosing nothing, it's a win win game for them. Sit down and listen to his interview. It was even pushed to the fp here yesterday. I just shook my head after reading nonsense trash people are commenting here which occupied first and second Page. This shows that majority are ignorant of how things are working in 21st century.

Dumaknesset:
Who did not abandon the property?

is that how nigerians abandon theirs in GB in 1960?

Dumaknesset:
When I say Igbos don't think things through, you would not believe me, so you have not thought about it, yet you want secession.

I am a lawyer and here is a legal dimension.

First note that all lands in Nigeria by virtue of the Land Use Act, 1978 is owned by the state, federal government and local government accordingly. Developed parts are owned by the state through the state governor, the undeveloped parts are owned by the local government, while those areas acquired by federal government are owned by the Federal government.

Individuals and even corporate organizations are mere tenants to the the real owners, the governments! hence, the issuance of cofo, consent, excision, ratifications et al.

Once a property is abandoned as it will be, when the biafrans bolt, the properties will revert to the real owners that is the state government, local government or federal government vide a legal principle called bona vacantia.

Note the legal principle of quic quid plantatur solo solo cedit, he who owes the land owes what is on it, all the developments on the lands become that of the real owner.

All the biafrans properties will become that of Lagos state government, it will be the largest real estate deal in the world since igbos own 90 percent of real estate in Lagos state and Afonjas only own 0.2 percent of real estate in the east.

You confidently show your limitations of the matter you claims to have

Mrjo:
is that how nigerians abandon theirs in GB in 1960?

Did Nigeria secede from UK in 1960?

ESDKING:
Sit down a listen to Nnamdi Kanu's interview about Igbo properties outside Igbo land and solid examples he gave which took place in different countries. Igbos are loosing nothing, it's a win win game for them. Sit down and listen to his interview. It was even pushed to the fp here yesterday. I just shook my head after reading nonsense trash people are commenting here which occupied first and second Page. This shows that majority are ignorant of how things are working in 21st century.

Lol. Nnamdi Kanu will always tell you what you want to hear but not what is obtainable in the Nigeria constitution.

It depends on the node of seccession. Amicable seccessions should see the new foreigners retain their properties. However, when the secession is preceeded by a lot of bitterness and fighting, all foreigners would be asked to leave, losing their properties in the process. An example is in the case of Ethiopia and Eritrea, Pakistan and India, the breakup of Yugoslavia, etc.

As for the Nigerian case, it is highly unlikely that any foreigner would get to keep his property. The first action would be deportation and Biafrans would find it difficult to get visas. In the meantime, their properties would get taken over.

Dumaknesset:
So! what is the point of reference here!

The point is that any Union can be dissolved. No property will be lost. Unless the dissolution is through war

kernel505:
Did I forget to tell you that Human resources is the highest resources anywhere in the world. We're very enterprising and innovative.

You make mobile phones or what?

You guys hold patents on cutting edge technologies or you simply import?

Abeg you guys should stop overhypeing your achievements.

I would grant you this, physically you are warriors just like all other tribes that dote West Africa.

You have smart individuals, again just like every other tribe.

The fact is you haven't invented anything, and your part of the country does not boast of working everyday machinery that emanated from your midst.

You guys are mostly traders and that's what you are known for. Licit and illicit.

Dumaknesset:
Did Nigeria secede from UK in 1960?

Kindly ignore all these Biafra, from their questions, you can know their level of awareness.

webcalculator:
The point is that any Union can be dissolved. No property will be loosed.

Okay, but what you copied from Wikipedia did not state that, except that it stated the splinter states continue to be a state. what ever that means
Note this is Nigeria with Nigerian laws and not mother Russia with a different constitution that probably allow state to secedes.

ezenwajosh:
Even if IGBOS loss all they will get more than what they use to have in just 5years WE SEE SUCCESS WHEN OTHERS SEE FAILURE

If uv worked hard , even if it is to push drugs , u wont be saying this trash...
Like someone said earlier , majorities of the asshole screaming biafra , have nothing to loose

Afamed:
Lol. Nnamdi Kanu will always tell you what you want to hear but not what is obtainable in the Nigeria constitution.

Guy, calm down and listen to the interview first. That's my advice for you if you are Igbo that's afraid of loosing his properties. I said, sit down and listen to it. Unless if you are afonja, you are free not to watch.

Dumaknesset:
Okay, we don't want your model of success, a success where anything goes, drugs, armed robbery, baby factories. Take your success and let us be.

Leave that poor asss alone joor... Probably still living in a rented apartment in his village.
Even if it is drugs , is it easy to push?

jpphilips:
Has it occurred to you that Nigeria can change their land use act anytime? You have to plan with the worse case scenario not assuming your adversary will show mercy at some point, if Nigeria makes property ownership a "citizen right" what are you supposed to do about that?
Taiwan did it to China, in fact, they just increased the Chinese quota of land ownership recently because china has installed a stooge in Taiwan, the problem most of you pro Biafrans have is that you subscribe to cable TV and end up watching just African Magic, you subscribe to the internet and end up watching p0rn with it.
if you have a clue the end of that biafran road, you will never dream of it. By the way, just because igbos left their properties for three years,
Niger delta seized all of them, what have you done about that? Abandoned property is an abandoned destiny, continue abandoning your destiny everywhere!!

Av u watched that video of nnamdi many. All these rubbish u av been saying is like u r discouraging ibid from leaving. He said whether Adama as an iibo girl decides to stay in Lagos. That's not his business. U r talking as if they are no human beings leaving in d SE and its only Lagos that they are. My brother wake up.

Dumaknesset:
Okay, but what you copied from Wikipedia did not state that, except that it stated the splinter states continue to be a state. what ever that means
Note this is Nigeria with Nigerian laws and not mother Russia with a different constitution that probably allow state to secedes.

You can also read up on Eritrea and Ethiopia. That will help. Even after the war, Ethiopia still occupies badme which Hague has ruled belongs to eritrea.
This happened in year 2000. More recent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean–Ethiopian_War

emmadejust:
instead of sharing information and ideas on the matter , its now e-fight and abuse.
This is not good, posterity is keeping record of all our action

We tried this many years ago but some nitwits on Nairaland thought upon losing an election the next thing to do was to dabaru everything.

Here we are.

Perilous times ahead.

webcalculator:
We are in discussion, you have explained what brexit means and I accepted it. Russia is not far away, enlighten me about the former USSR or shut up. I'm a typical Biafra, I know you must be a Yoruba, that's why you are making all this effort to convince Biafrans. Once more, know that I'm a typical Biafran

Typical Biafra, when you are confronted with facts and figures, next you do is to insult. November is around the corner. Like Nnamdi kanu has instructed you no election in Biafra again. Kindly abide by his instructions, we shall duly impose a sole administrator on you in person of Hausa/ Fulani as your governor.

UnimkeAk:
If uv worked hard , even if it is to push drugs , u wont be saying this trash...
Like someone said earlier , majorities of the asshole screaming biafra , have nothing to loose

Brother, forget these guys, if secession happen through to referendum, nobody will loose anything. Even Nigeria will be forced to share the common wealth to biafra as a new nation

Dumaknesset:
When I say Igbos don't think things through, you would not believe me, so you have not thought about it, yet you want secession.

I am a lawyer and here is a legal dimension.

First note that all lands in Nigeria by virtue of the Land Use Act, 1978 is owned by the state, federal government and local government accordingly. Developed parts are owned by the state through the state governor, the undeveloped parts are owned by the local government, while those areas acquired by federal government are owned by the Federal government.

Individuals and even corporate organizations are mere tenants to the the real owners, the governments! hence, the issuance of cofo, consent, excision, ratifications et al.

Once a property is abandoned as it will be, when the biafrans bolt, the properties will revert to the real owners that is the state government, local government or federal government vide a legal principle called bona vacantia.

Note the legal principle of quic quid plantatur solo solo cedit, he who owes the land owes what is on it, all the developments on the lands become that of the real owner.

All the biafrans properties will become that of Lagos state government, it will be the largest real estate deal in the world since igbos own 90 percent of real estate in Lagos state and Afonjas only own 0.2 percent of real estate in the east.

I stand to refuse your claim. If a referendum is conducted and the UN is totally involved in it,properties will never be lost because there must be a round-table discussion on the way forward. I know this is the plan of the Arewa and Afenifere pple to reap without sowing hence the threat for igbos to leave the north and the Oba of lagos to throw his fam..y into the lagoon. A lazy man don't consider his father's properties and waiting for him to die,instead of the Arewa and Afenifere to think of how to build up a country of their own,they are busy looking at the properties of others. May those who are waiting to own properties through this means never live to see the country divide.

webcalculator:
You can also read up on Eritrea and Ethiopia. That will help. Even after the war, Ethiopia still occupies badme which Hague has ruled belongs to eritrea.
This happened in year 2000. More recent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean–Ethiopian_War

Visited the link, there was nothing on it.

Okay from your own argument, there was a world court judgment that stated the land belonged to Eritrea, is there any judgement that states Lagos state belonged to Biafra.

Afamed:
Typical Biafra, when you are confronted with facts and figures, next you do is to insult. November is around the corner. Like Nnamdi kanu has instructed you no election in Biafra again. Kindly abide by his instructions, we shall duly impose a sole administrator on you in person of Hausa/ Fulani as your governor.

This should be a learned discussion but like an afonja when confronted with facts starts throwing insults. How old are you? Read about Eritrea and Ethiopia, even through a war, UN intervened and it was settled amicably. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eritrean–Ethiopian_War

Dumaknesset:
Visited the link, there was nothing on it.

Okay from your own argument, there was a world court judgment that stated the land belonged to Eritrea, is there any judgement that states Lagos state belonged to Biafra.

I'm pointing out to you that Igbos will not loose their properties outside Igbo land the way you think if there's no war. Get it and stop discouraging Biafrans, if I were you, I'll use this energy to focus on how Biafrans will go so they can loose their properties

Dumaknesset:
Visited the link, there was nothing on it.

Okay from your own argument, there was a world court judgment that stated the land belonged to Eritrea, is there any judgement that states Lagos state belonged to Biafra.

He's a little confused Biafra. He listens 24hrs to Radio Biafra. However he remains one of my best friends because I dine a lot with Igbos.