₦airaland Forum

linusbnn:
I stand to refuse your claim. If a referendum is conducted and the UN is totally involved in it,properties will never be lost because there must be a round-table discussion on the way forward. I know this is the plan of the Arewa and Afenifere pple to reap without sowing hence the threat for igbos to leave the north and the Oba of lagos to throw his fam..y into the lagoon. A lazy man don't consider his father's properties and waiting for him to die,instead of the Arewa and Afenifere to think of how to build up a country of their own,they are busy looking at the properties of others. May those who are waiting to own properties through this means never live to see the country divide.

Not even World Court or Security Council the highest making decision body of UN can cede part of Lagos to igbos or part of Nigeria tobacco seceding country.

Keep living in denial. Do you know it is a reasonable felony to secede in Nigeria. You guys cannot leave without fighting Nigerians and we will have out pound of flesh back by enforcing the law.

webcalculator:
I'm pointing out to you that Igbos will not loose their properties outside Igbo land the way you think if there's no war. Get it and stop discouraging Biafrans, if I were you, I'll use this energy to focus on how Biafrans will go so they can loose their properties

If you guys consult me and want Nigerians and the entire world to take you seriously. Take out a suit at the world court for enforcement of your right to seclf determination. You will be shocked by the outcome. Try it and thank me later.

Afamed:
He's a little confused Biafra. He listens 24hrs to Radio Biafra

I don't listen to radio biafra but I know what referendum means. Referendum by UN will put everything at rest. Your problem is that you don't read, browse the new nations that emerged recently, there was no property losses.

GavelSlam:
You make mobile phones or what?

You guys hold patents on cutting edge technologies or you simply import?

Abeg you guys should stop overhypeing your achievements.

I would grant you this, physically you are warriors just like all other tribes that dote West Africa.

You have smart individuals, again just like every other tribe.

The fact is you haven't invented anything, and your part of the country does not boast of working everyday machinery that emanated from your midst.

You guys are mostly traders and that's what you are known for. Licit and illicit.

We manufacture drugs- Orange drugs nigeria Ltd. We manufacture automobiles- Innosen motors. We manufacture textiles materials- visit Aba. We manufacture drinks- visit onitsha. We manufacture motorbikes- Ogbuawa motorcycle. We have Nollywood etc.

OP is talking succession like as if is going to end well.
I doubt if any Igbo man would remember whether or not he has property somewhere after everything.
You will be seen as a traitor and no mutual agreement will exist between the two sides. That is exactly what the Igbo elders are not telling the youths. The youths thinks succession is going to be 'you shading tears on one side and your friends on the other side looking at you like Uche Bye Bye, after you board Macapolo bus to Enugu'.
Go watch Korean films and you will have the glimpse of how a traitor or group of traitors are treated in other part of the world, then you will understand that Nigerian people and it's government are considerate.
Living with a known traitor/traitors is much more easier than 1 2 3..
But............ Human right watch are everywhere... No wahala.

emmadejust:
Hello nairalanders.

There is an arguement between my guy on, if a particular part in a country should decide or agree to succeed out from their original country.
That all individual property owned by people of other separatist will be lost to citizens of the other state/country.

My question is, does succession make legal property owned by individual lost because he/she is no more part of the other separatist country ?

Your detail analysis please

@ lalasticala

If nigeria divides today and yorubas who live in eastern nigeria decide to have dual citizenship, they can apply for biafra citizenship and also hold their Nigerian citizenship. No one has the right to chase them away.


But in a country ravaged by poverty n laziness, and also most citizens(as much as 80%) uneducated, people who want to leave will be threatened with losing their property.

Dumaknesset:
Not even World Court or Security Council the highest making decision body of UN can cede part of Lagos to igbos or part of Nigeria tobacco seceding country.

Keep living in denial. Do you know it is a reasonable felony to secede in Nigeria. You guys cannot leave without fighting Nigerians and we will have out pound of flesh back by enforcing the law.

Mr lawyer who wants a part of Lagos. Lagos is many miles away from the East. Forget it.
An advice, read about secession.
Also how can something not in our Constitution be a treasonable felony? Wake up.

Nice thread.

PROUDLYAFONJA1:
Ofcos big yes, your 44 trillions investment in north is a goner lol

If every single igbo in the north leaves today, the north will collapse n real estate value will crash by at least 90%.

The igbos are a necessary evil, luv them, hate them, u will still fight to be with them.

Dumaknesset:
Not even World Court or Security Council the highest making decision body of UN can cede part of Lagos to igbos or part of Nigeria tobacco seceding country.

Keep living in denial. Do you know it is a reasonable felony to secede in Nigeria. You guys cannot leave without fighting Nigerians and we will have out pound of flesh back by enforcing the law.

I am sorry for you because your education did not affect you positively in anyway. How can you talk about war,when scotland decided to leave the UK,did you experience violence not to talk of war?. When UK went ahead to leave the EU,did you hear sound of war?. We are all blacks but I refuse to think as one. If your type of pple are our future generation,then there is no hope for nigeria.

Ur topic makes alot of sense to me... I have encountered it in a discussion but no valid answer.I think a lawyer or historian can give us a relative answer.

One love for the Biafrans ...

intruxive:
Lol, jokes on you. Is the same people celebrating a second reading on south east development....... biko please follow up on the news, I mean the real news o, not what u hear on radio biafra. Non of ur reps is interested in leaving nigeria guy, just kanu and the rest of the broke unsuccessful lots of you remaining in the east

Calling Kanu unsuccessful is an insult to unsuccessful people. Kanu never even attempted success and I say this with all sense of responsibility. You can imagine a man in his thirties, if not forty, who still lives in his father's house. Interestingly, this is a practice Igbos loathe.

webcalculator:
I don't listen to radio biafra but I know what referendum means. Referendum by UN will put everything at rest. Your problem is that you don't read, browse the new nations that emerged recently, there was no property losses.

Those countries you quoted never seceded through violence or war. They seceded through referendum and lay down rules and procedures, I think you know all these. Having said this, prior to election in 2015, during the last administration, how many of people agitated for this Biafra.Virtually non. What suddenly has now changed because another administration came and it seems not to favour you. I have no issue with secession if its done in the armpit of law. Not the other way round Nnamdi kanu is going about it. I witnessed on many occasions on my way from Enugu to Obolor Afor on Radio Biafra where he was calling for donations and arms in readiness for Biafra. I was also on my way from Nsukka to Enugu, same Radio Biafra where he was preaching hate how Pastor Kumuyi, a Yoruba pastor should not be allowed to preach in the East because he saw the pastor and other Yoruba pastors as a treat to the upcoming Igbo pastors. ( God bear my witness to this) No one told me all these, I heard directly from Nnamdi Kanu from Radio Biafra then.

linusbnn:
I am sorry for you because your education did not affect you positively in anyway. How can you talk about war,when scotland decided to leave the UK,did you experience violence not to talk of war?. When UK went ahead to leave the EU,did you hear sound of war?. We are all blacks but I refuse to think as one. If your type of pple are our future generation,then there is no hope for nigeria.

All these contest of wits is just for the sake of argument, so your silly conclusion does not matter, but it seems you have taken these things to heart. I didn't mean to hurt any one just pointing out what might happen, if you guys did not think the whole secession thing through.

TheRealestGuy:
You keep yapping about uncivil approach, do you know how many southerners, Igbos especially, have been killed at the slightest reason in the north?

This has continued for decades and there has never been anyone tried and convicted for these disgusting crimes...

Or is it the kidnapping of young southern and northern Christian girls and marrying them off into Islam by force?

If you go about ranting that IPOB have been uncivil just because they expressed their right to freedom of speech without any physical violence, what have you to say to hundreds of thousands of Igbos that have been slaughtered to appease your illiterate masses' thirst for blood?

You're just a stinking hypocrite!

Get your emotions in check for the purpose of clarity, and to avoid getting knocked back in the face with the labels you're flinging around.

How about the thousands of northerners over the years that have been innocently killed by your armed robbers, kidnappers, ritualists, cultists, fake drug merchants etc.? You're comparing apples and oranges.

The fact that instead of tact and diplomacy, your agitation chose to employ crude, cheap and lazy blackmail against the very same parties you need to peacefully secede, remains the Achilles heel of your agitation and which will lead to its calamitous failure.

PrecisionFx:
If every single igbo in the north leaves today, the north will collapse n real estate value will crash by at least 90%.

The igbos are a necessary evil, luv them, hate them, u will still fight to be with them.

Another one from a typical Biafra, real estate will crash by 90% kwaa? Invariably all the estates in Nigeria are own by Igbos.From land grabbers to Estate grabbers. Developer of Lagos now Developer of the whole Africa.

Lifestone:
Biafra will be landlocked if the Niger Delta does not follow them
They are desperate to have Niger Delta for two main rwasons:
1. Access to sea and international trade.
2.Access to crude oil and hence FX
That's why I believe there won't be Biafra without Niger Delta, and it's obvious why the Ibos are desperate to annex ND.
The other issue my Ibo brothers should know is that the present land area can not take their population, South East is almost fully built up and land locked .

The Niger Delta does not share the same quest and dream with the Igbos, particularly on Biafra. They have been hammered on this but they keep coming back as pests.

seunmsg:
Don't get it twisted at all, the day Biafra secedes legally, all Igbos living in any part of Nigeria will be doing so illegally. Government may round up all of them and throw them into prison or dump them at the Onitsha bridge depending on how the break up occurred. Nigeria's breakup will either be violent or on very hostile terms if violence is not involved. You people will be entitled to absolutely nothing once you succeed in breaking up the country. I will advice you all start selling your belongings now and relocate the ones that can be relocated to the east before it is too late. Igbos will not be allowed to own a pin in Nigeria once Biafra secedes. You cannot eat your cake and still have it.

My brother you have given the Igbo the best advise of the century with the way IPOB are handling things now ,I also think if you guys are really serious about this project of Biafra,please start moving your businesses to the east and also convert most of your savings to Dollars.

Avery200:
The sincere and legal answer is NO....wen u hv a house in london and also a house in kaduna...r u saying london authorities shld destroy ur house in london because u also base in kaduna NO....
Am open to more questions...

That's a different scenerio

Dumaknesset:
All these contest of wits is just for the sake of argument, so your silly conclusion does not matter, but it seems you have taken these things to heart. I didn't mean to hurt any one just pointing out what might happen, if you guys did not think the whole secession thing through.

When there is argument,do you speak or write because you want to or you speak or write as a result of your thought which covers everything about you?. (brain,heart,emotions,mind and your consciousness). I write to you this way because Biafra is what I want and I'm passionate about it.

Yes only in Nigeria

Dumaknesset:
See yah life in the outside, so Nigerian banks are regulated by laws from the moon. They are regulated by BOfia, Cbn act, cama etc, all Nigerian laws and all the banks headquarters are in South west remember, the banks are also tenants like anybody as corporate organizations.You still reason like a Nigerian, that is where your flawed arguments emanate from. You have forgotten you are now biafrans, your monies will also be forfeited by a single order from cbn, that all monies belonging igbos be forfeited forthwith to the government of Nigeria, remember you will now be biafrans not Nigerians, and the banks ' customers are Nigerians which you guys are not.
To the banks you don't exist, and you are no longer Nigerians, so you monies are also deemed abandoned and the banks get to remit to the Cbn or as the government will decide.

Awon guys Yi, oni arojinle.
Ode people!

Your monies also will be gone poof!

You are a dreamer

GrandGarcon:
It is very easy to solve this problem, simply put it in control of reputable banks, as in something like mortgage, the banks will represent you, and collect their share, if any fool wants to take it then they should deal with the bank, if they do anything funny, remember they have branches in Biafra, so the Biafran government will fine them or simply nationalize the bank. It is very easy.

if the Biafran government can nationalize the banks over there, don't you think the Nigerian government can do something similar here, they can start by revoking any title on the property.... the rest is history

seunmsg:
Don't get it twisted at all, the day Biafra secedes legally, all Igbos living in any part of Nigeria will be doing so illegally. Government may round up all of them and throw them into prison or dump them at the Onitsha bridge depending on how the break up occurred. Nigeria's breakup will either be violent or on very hostile terms if violence is not involved. You people will be entitled to absolutely nothing once you succeed in breaking up the country. I will advice you all start selling your belongings now and relocate the ones that can be relocated to the east before it is too late. Igbos will not be allowed to own a pin in Nigeria once Biafra secedes. You cannot eat your cake and still have it.

It depends on how the question of citizenship is settled.

To be a Nigerian, one must have either Nigerian parents or Nigerian grandparents. So if a Biafran has a Nigerian parent or grandparent he automatically remains a Nigerian except if the Constitution is altered to reflect otherwise. This position will apply whether or not Biafra secedes violently or through diplomacy.

Now if there is a violent secession the Nigerian government will not recognize the new state of Biafra nor its citizens. In its eyes the Biafran citizens remain Nigerians with all the rights and obligations owed to a Nigerian.

Similarly the constitutional rights remain guaranteed irrespective of the civil war except a state of emergency is declared within a territory or state.

linusbnn:
When there is argument,do you speak or write because you want to or you speak or write as a result of your thought which covers everything about you?. (brain,heart,emotions,mind and your consciousness). I write to you this way because Biafra is what I want and I'm passionate about it.

Linus I also want Biafra.

pazienza:
Go and find out if Southern Sudan are in any bit interested in forming a new Union with the Northern Sudan, no matter how bad their present condition might be, they have a bright future, because they have freedom and so have their destiny in their hands to make or mar!

Freedom is priceless. For a person used to living in a failed British colonial estate, I don't expect you to understand that.

The first problem with freedom is that it can be too abstract and intangible, and too susceptible to subjectivity.

Afamed:
Those countries you quoted never seceded through violence or war. They seceded through referendum and lay down rules and procedures, I think you know all these. Having said this, prior to election in 2015, during the last administration, how many of people agitated for this Biafra.Virtually non. What suddenly has now changed because another administration came and it seems not to favour you. I have no issue with secession if its done in the armpit of law. Not the other way round Nnamdi kanu is going about it. I witnessed on many occasions on my way from Enugu to Obolor Afor on Radio Biafra where he was calling for donations and arms in readiness for Biafra. I was also on my way from Nsukka to Enugu, same Radio Biafra where he was preaching hate how Pastor Kumuyi, a Yoruba pastor should not be allowed to preach in the East because he saw the pastor and other Yoruba pastors as a treat to the upcoming Igbo pastors. ( God bear my witness to this) No one told me all these, I heard directly from Nnamdi Kanu from Radio Biafra then.

I was previously not in support of having a biafra nation. You can search for my comments in this biafra thing. I started supporting it when a group of northern youths gave quit notice to Igbos. How can you classify the whole south east as IPOB? And that same thing is what you just did in above write up. Can we say because boko Haram is in the north that anything from shekarou is the opinion of the whole north.

It's these thinking from you guys about the Igbo people that made everyone of us to start asking for referendum. It's even now that I noticed the deep hatred about the Igbo people by other tribes and how I wish, biafra should only constitute the south eastern people. There are many existing countries all over the world without access to sea.

The bottom line, we want biafra through referendum not war

smartleo:
My brother you have given the Igbo the best advise of the century with the way IPOB are handling things now ,I also think if you guys are really serious about this project of Biafra,please start moving your businesses to the east and also convert most of your savings to Dollars.

That will be too stressful for them. You know they are the real Developer of Nigeria, the real biz tycoon and estate mogul. Since they own 90% of everything in Nigeria. How do you want them to start relocating all these from Kaduna, Sokoto, Lagos,Oyo,Delta, Bauchi to East. I will rather suggest if truly they want Biafra, they should as a matter of fact stop collecting Federal allocations from F.G as from July, then their Biafra surely becomes reality.

GavelSlam:
You make mobile phones or what?

You guys hold patents on cutting edge technologies or you simply import?

Abeg you guys should stop overhypeing your achievements.

I would grant you this, physically you are warriors just like all other tribes that dote West Africa.

You have smart individuals, again just like every other tribe.

The fact is you haven't invented anything, and your part of the country does not boast of working everyday machinery that emanated from your midst.

You guys are mostly traders and that's what you are known for. Licit and illicit.

As much as you claim ignorant of the very fact that Nnewi and Aba are the tech hub of West Africa, you're good to go.

webcalculator:
I was previously not in support of having a biafra nation. You can search for my comments in this biafra thing. I started supporting it when a group of northern youths gave quit notice to Igbos. How can you classify the whole south east as IPOB? And that same thing is what you just did in above write up. Can we say because boko Haram is in the north that anything from shekarou is the opinion of the whole north.

It's these thinking from you guys about the Igbo people that made everyone of us to start asking for referendum. It's even now that I noticed the deep hatred about the Igbo people by other tribes and how I wish, biafra should only constitute the south eastern people. There are many existing countries all over the world without access to sea.

The bottom line, we want biafra through referendum not war

No reasonable person will justify the action of the action of the Arewa youth. Its uncalled for.Having said that, you don't use evil to justify evil though secession is an armpit of law if its properly guided and followed. Not the way Nnamdi Kanu is proclaiming now. He's seriously breeding hatred among different groups. Well I never classified every one in the east as Biafra. Yes Biafra if its the opinion of the majority in the East and it is done in the armpits of stipulated laws.

thesicilian:
As a lay person I do not think secession should affect personal property unless the owner decides to leave his property behind and move home. That Biafra is now a separate country does not mean all Igbo's have to leave the North, West or South. I think it is just the barbaric nature of many Nigerians to reap where they do not sow that will make them want to take advantage of the situation to loot and force people out of their own homes.

Make no mistake about it. U will be thrown out of Ur house if Biafra break off.


Omo onile (land grabbers) will come for all Ur properties & it will be very silly of U to expect the judiciary & executive arm of the Nigerian govt to defend U.


its quite funny that U thought they will be allowed to retain their properties.

omsal84:
You are a dreamer

What is he yapping about, it is like that thing, that won't shut up.