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| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by holythug(m): 9:39am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Respect! Your response is the bomb! blueseacats: |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by mvem(m): 9:43am On Jul 04, 2017 |
blueseacats: |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by AntiNigerian: 9:47am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Lifestone:half of Niger Delta is Igbo! Am from Rivers state Etche LGA in particular! keep dreaming that south east is Igbo! Anohia! ![]() |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by OLUJOSHINS(m): 9:59am On Jul 04, 2017 |
GrandGarcon:1) The Biafra nation will have its own currency. Hence, the money U are talking of will be completely useless to U. 2) The M.O.A of these banks will not allow them to take up the functions of a real estate firm. So I'm sorry to say, They can't help U. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by zoedew: 10:01am On Jul 04, 2017 |
DoTheNeedful:Incisive. Deep. Profound. Informative. Eye-opener. Caveat Emptor. #lookbeforeyouleap |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Kay17: 10:02am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Dumaknesset:This situation is such a dilemma because for the contracts to be invalid on the ground of being enemies of Nigeria Biafra must be recognized as least as an enemy. On the other hand, the Nigerian government can pretend Biafra doesn't exist and allow the Biafrans their full rights as Nigerians |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by steppins: 10:19am On Jul 04, 2017 |
allrightsir:Even with what we have, we know we can do better. Our real problem is that we want to be better and that's why we refuse to accept the status quo. The Yorubas and the northerners are comfortable with a messed up Nigeria, but we're not. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by monex(m): 10:22am On Jul 04, 2017 |
seunmsg:you do realise that there are igbos who will not denounce their Nigerian citizenship and chose to remain with Nigeria right? or are you saying there will be an official ethnic purge of Nigerian Igbos? una arguments (both the pro-biafra and anti-biafra) dey make me laugh |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by seunmsg(m): 10:22am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Kay17:I am not too sure you understand the subject of discussion deeply. A violent break up is very possible. If Nigeria goes to war again with Biafra and the later wins, they will have their country and there is nothing anybody can do about it. The war can also end in a stalemate that will necessitate an amicable settlement where the contending parties will breakup the country into as many parts as the contenders want. Don't assume that Nigeria will always win in the event of a civil war. Now to the issue of citizenship, trust me, no single IBO person will be allowed to own a pin in Nigeria (if the country still remains) once Biafra is achieved. Forget about the deceit of constitutional or international law. IBOs have already made themselves enemies to every tribe in Nigeria with the way they are going about their agitation. People will be so happy to see them go and not a single of them will be allowed to stay. IBO is IBO irrespective of whatever relationship the person has with people of other tribe. They cannot be allowed to remain in Nigeria under any guise. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by steppins: 10:30am On Jul 04, 2017 |
blueseacats:Millions of igbos who support secession are lazy? You need to dial down on what you've been smoking. The average Igbo man is industrious and disciplined. A new country doesn't mean bread and butter. Infact, it'll take hard work and the sweat of the Biafrans to make it better. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by seunmsg(m): 10:39am On Jul 04, 2017 |
monex:There will be no Nigerian IBO after Biafra is achieved. Any IBO person that wants to remain in Nigeria should work towards ensuring that there is no breakup. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by UDIOK: 10:40am On Jul 04, 2017 |
PROUDLYAFONJA1:And you think Igbos have more investment in the North than Northerner 's investment in the south just one oil block in the south is more than the whole spare part shops in the North...The northerner's will loose much if you don't know....checkout TY Danjuma investment in PLANTGERIA,SEPLAT etc SS, what about ATIKU at ONNE, INTELS, PRODECO, check out the numbers of Northerner owning oil block and investment in the SS....lets go ahead and see who will loose and by how much |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by TheRealestGuy(m): 10:47am On Jul 04, 2017 |
fulanmafia:And who says tact isn't being employed? You're carried away by the propaganda videos you see on facebook, you have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. Freedom of speech is definitely guaranteed and whatever IPOB members have said are just talk, now this does not mean I support it. You're bringing up talk about ritualists, cultists and kidnappers to counter your illiterate almajiris zest for blood letting? Dismally appalling is what you are dude. So disgusting... |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 10:54am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Ehmmm..isn't this equivalent to someone that stays in Nigeria but owns properties in the UK, US, etc?? ![]() Abi Africa own dey different? |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Kay17: 11:16am On Jul 04, 2017 |
seunmsg:The aim of this thread is very narrow legal question. Apparently i answered to the best of my ability. But you don't seem to have any legal authority backing your assertions especially the futuristic intentions of the government. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by monex(m): 11:16am On Jul 04, 2017 |
seunmsg:lol. very funny |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pryme(m): 11:25am On Jul 04, 2017 |
I like this type of arguments rather than name calling and hatful speeches ![]() |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 11:27am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Pavarottii:Nnamdi kanu speaks to people like you with half education, people like us school kanu, I saw the video where he said should Nigeria seize Biafran properties, biafra will reclaim it in court, to you, he made sense to us he is talking trash. Israel seized Golan heights since the end of the 6days war, Syria is tired of going to court what has happened? West bank and gaza strip nko? Niger delta abandoned properties nko? continue listening to a lunatic!! |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by zoedew: 11:28am On Jul 04, 2017 |
webcalculator:Typical. Not in good taste to speak ill of the competence of another just because you disagree with his position on an issue. Learn from the respected but departed Prof. Chinua Achebe when he said -"There is no doubt at all that there is a strand in contemporary Igbo behavior that can offend; by its noisy exhibitionism and disregard for humility and quietness." #bitterisnotbetter |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 11:28am On Jul 04, 2017 |
slydog:Agreed, South Sudan only gets humanitarian assistance but yet to get any serious loan for infrastructural development despite several promises from western powers. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 11:31am On Jul 04, 2017 |
Kay17:Go through the thread, the modus operandi for foreign asset acquisition in Nigeria has been extensively discussed. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by FriendNG: 11:39am On Jul 04, 2017 |
UDIOK:How does oil block concern the north. A common northerner don't even know the meaning of Oil well. It belongs to some greedy politician and we ain't move a bit if it is seized. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by WOCKHARDI(m): 11:39am On Jul 04, 2017*. Modified: 12:00pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
Nobody is seceding to anywhere. But there will be Biafra State as one of the six federal units from the present six geopolitical zones. We cannot continue with the present lopsided Military Constitution. Where else on earth is the Quota System with all it connotes practised? A referendum to actualise these six states as the foundation of a new Constitution should be everyone's concern under ONE NIGERIA. Shame to those that want to reap from other people's sweat. I repeat : Nobody is seceding. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 11:50am On Jul 04, 2017 |
author=LordAdam16 post=58100705] Lies and half-truths.Let's hear your facts then? 1. The major conflict in South Sudan now is the civil war. Read what caused it here -- http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/africa/2017/04/clear-winners-south-sudan-war-170420093525610.html --, and not your dreamy pipeline issue. Rating: LIE.That is what happens when you jump into a conversation despite having a very unsound comprehension ability, since you don't know the first conflict was about a pipeline, i have chosen to limit the time I spend educating nitwits who feel they must learn in arrogance. 2. The Yugoslav wars were not primarily because of the fate of the Serbs. It was an inter-ethnic war that had heavy involvement of most of the ethnicities. In fact, most of the wars ended in treaties (meaning no clear winner-takes-all scenario), and the wars ended in 2001 after 10 years. Today all seceding parts are bona fide countries recognized by the International community--Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Macedonia. Rating: HALF TRUTHSince you do not know that the "Ethnic war" started when the fate of majorly stradling serbs were decided after the break up, how am I supposed to help you? make no mistakes, i will not go out of my way to prove anything to you, the last guy had an idea, your case is hopeless!! 3. Pakistan and India is irrelevant to this discourse as both countries broke away and have been apart since then.What nonsense is this one saying? do you have any comprehension ability? who told you that india and pakistan broke away, please let me beg you kindly, majority of pro IPOB are generational illiterates, most igbos think they are artisans which most of you have proved on Nairaland so please, try hard not quote my post while spewing ignorance. The biggest error by the Nigerian side is not realizing the difference between 1967 and 2017, and thinking a civil war today is a foregone conclusion with a Nigerian victory. That is naive and myopic.Ojukwu said the same thing, we know how it ended. War is not won on paper. I am yet to see any intelligent review of a possible war timeline that results in an absolute victory for the Nigerian side. The number of variables are too many and interests too varied, that the blood and death you refer to will be commonplace across all of present Nigeria, not just the SE. Blood and death awaits both the secessionists and the unionists.Are you done? save your advice for the mad man in the east. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 12:02pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
=LordAdam16 post=58099189] Niger Delta does not need Nigerian protection. ![]() If the Nigerian government will confiscate all properties owned by the Biafrans, the Biafran government will confiscate Nigerian oil and gas assets. Tit for tat.Isn't that where the Biafran war started?? who said Biafra can not confiscate Nigeria's assets? of course you can, just like ojukwu did not last a second to enjoy its proceeds, your knowledge of history is too poor to be taken on a serious discourse. The only time the Nigerian government moves in is if they resist the secessionist efforts with force like in 1967. If they do not and let Biafra go without violence, then they have no claim to oil and gas assets, even those owned by the NNPC. In fact, these assets would constitute a Biafran bargaining chip for Biafran properties in Nigeria. If Nigeria enters Biafra under any guise after Biafra has been recognized by the International community, it is a contravention of International Law and Nigeria would be pressured to abandon that quest or face sanctions. The bloodier that war gets, the poorer Nigeria becomes. With no oil and pressing International sanctions, Nigeria will go into a recession, causing more agitation from other groups, which could set off a chain reaction that leads to an implosion.You have just spoken like a child you are!! Moreover, most of the oil and gas assets in Biafra are owned by foreign companies, which means all the Biafran government has to do is null the JVs and royalties paid to the Nigerian government, then enter new agreement with the companies. It happened in 1967 when Shell-BP (the largest oil exploration company in Nigeria at the time) paid the Biafran government until the British Government advised them not to in return for assurance that the Crown would help the Nigerian side win the war.He doesn't even know the ownership structute of Nigeria's oil and gas assets, do yourself a favour, the internet is definitely not for you, your ignorance stink!! If you think Nigerian forces would stroll in Niger Delta Republic to seize oil assets, then you must be drunk. We'll not only repel Nigerian forces, we'll make the Lagos ports inoperable and give you guys the same treatment you guys gave the Biafrans in 1967. A bloody blockade. And before you laugh that off, ask yourself which territorial waters are the third most pirate-infested in the world after Indonesia and Somalia, then ask yourself who these pirates are? ![]() The Nigerian Navy cannot patrol the entire coastline of the South South, but our pirates can make any ocean going vessel think twice about going to the Lagos ports. ![]() You know a child when you see one!! |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 12:05pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
Aragon:They are not lazy to think, they lack basic thinking ability, most nigerian youths let alone spare parts dealers in the east, their case is sorry!! |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 12:06pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
doskie:Do you know what a referendum is and its guidelines? or you are re echoing the delusion of the eastern Lunatic in chief? |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by sddiamond: 12:16pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
Dumaknesset:Truth is bitter, keep given yourself a false hope of owning a property, don't go and work hard. lazy bone |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 12:21pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
sddiamond:I work smartly and I am at it and the truth be told working smartly pays. I frigging don't want your properties purchased with all manners of crimes proceeds. It is Lagos State government that will take over not me, don't mix it up. |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by mbhs139(m): 12:35pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
Mujtahida:I don't know if this perspective will help you understand that you don't have a point. Happy reading Restructuring Nigeria |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by adegeye38(m): 12:43pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
thesicilian:they will have to get visas, permanent residency/ citizenship, it helps if you are born in the Nigeria or married to someone from nigeria |
| Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by steppins: 12:52pm On Jul 04, 2017 |
stagger:Oh! I increased the amount sef... Hahaha! Biafrans are resilient. We always survive. |
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