Olu317:
We have to be considerate about all our people irrespective their location as long as they are willing to be part of us. It isn't about minorities but about Yoruba people in another location that's not within the homogeneous sphere of Yoruba nation. They have the same right as you and I.

Speaking just for myself here, unless the groups in question were geographically contiguous to the main body of Yorubaland, I would prefer that such groups be given the option of either relocating outright or staying where they are. Even if others agreed to allow the secession of islands of minorities within their own states - and I'm doubtful such agreement would be forthcoming - what happens if, for example, the surrounding state goes to war with a third country, and one such isolated territory is overrun? How easy would it be to stop the entire country being pulled into a conflict it has no vital interest in, merely in the defense of this isolated territory?

A superpower like the USA can get away with having territories that are disconnected from its mainland (e.g. Alaska and Hawaii), but even then these American territories aren't surrounded by potentially foreign countries. Despite such advantages, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941 was enough to pull the USA into all-out war with Japan, and as recently as 1982 the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a bunch of isolated rocks of low economic value. Wars are expensive in both money and human lives, even when they're won, and they're the last thing a new state in dire need of economic development should be indulging in, not for the sake of small communities which have the choice to immigrate if they so desire.

Deedeedee3:

Ok now i get you. I thought you were talking about minorities joining us. But there is none in delta state, is there?

Yes they are there. And they have been surviving for centuries. They are known as OLUKUMI.

omohayek:

Speaking just for myself here, unless the groups in question were geographically contiguous to the main body of Yorubaland, I would prefer that such groups be given the option of either relocating outright or staying where they are. Even if others agreed to allow the secession of islands of minorities within their own states - and I'm doubtful such agreement would be forthcoming - what happens if, for example, the surrounding state goes to war with a third country, and one such isolated territory is overrun? How easy would it be to stop the entire country being pulled into a conflict it has no vital interest in, merely in the defense of this isolated territory?

A superpower like the USA can get away with having territories that are disconnected from its mainland (e.g. Alaska and Hawaii), but even then these American territories aren't surrounded by potentially foreign countries. Despite such advantages, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941 was enough to pull the USA into all-out war with Japan, and as recently as 1982 the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a bunch of isolated rocks of low economic value. Wars are expensive in both money and human lives, even when they're won, and they're the last thing a new state in dire need of economic development should be indulging in, not for the sake of small communities which have the choice to immigrate if they so desire.

First ,I disagree with you on the basis of eventual war reason, to making such relative of ours collateral damage. My desire of a dream Yoruba nation, is to have a people with absolute high stake in the world economy. I am of the the opinion that Yoruba will be heavily engaged in military ware production,mechanised farming, information technology and industrialised economy where there will be a balance of trade. By so, doing, we will be able wealthy to defend our people wherever their location If South Korea is 13th richest country, where they don't have 30% of Yoruba land resources ,then the sky won't be our limit but the beginning . This is the more the reason, relocation will be a better option, if we don't want to go into war with any country, especially people who enjoys subjugation of people by compulsion and killing without any provocation from their neighbours. But be mindful that, military might via advance technologically know how is a Lee way for the neighbouring countries to acknowledge Yoruba land's military might. And will stand against anything that has to do with external aggressors and wage war against any enemy that are Militarily advancing toward our nation's border.

omohayek:

Speaking just for myself here, unless the groups in question were geographically contiguous to the main body of Yorubaland, I would prefer that such groups be given the option of either relocating outright or staying where they are. Even if others agreed to allow the secession of islands of minorities within their own states - and I'm doubtful such agreement would be forthcoming - what happens if, for example, the surrounding state goes to war with a third country, and one such isolated territory is overrun? How easy would it be to stop the entire country being pulled into a conflict it has no vital interest in, merely in the defense of this isolated territory?

A superpower like the USA can get away with having territories that are disconnected from its mainland (e.g. Alaska and Hawaii), but even then these American territories aren't surrounded by potentially foreign countries. Despite such advantages, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941 was enough to pull the USA into all-out war with Japan, and as recently as 1982 the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a bunch of isolated rocks of low economic value. Wars are expensive in both money and human lives, even when they're won, and they're the last thing a new state in dire need of economic development should be indulging in, not for the sake of small communities which have the choice to immigrate if they so desire.

This is how I feel as well. We have to be prepared for a situation in which some Yorubas, especially some that are domiciled outside of the current SW geographical region, might actually choose not to want to be a part of the republic, at least initially. I don't think this should be taken personally and such a development, in my opinion, shouldn't deter us nor terminate our ambitions of having a majority and independent Yoruba country (the first and only one of its kind in the world). With a population of approximately 40-million or more, we are definitely eligible and qualified to have our own country. While all Yorubas should be welcome in such a republic, I also think it'll be unrealistic to expect everyone to buy into it, just as not all Jews reside in Israel, but in the event of persecution they always know they have a homeland to return to. Germany and Austria are populated by ethnic Germans who are fine with being separate independent countries. And even in their case, Hitler failed in his attempt to forcefully unite them during WW2. Today, there are ethnic Germans all over Europe and they're o.k where they're at.

Deedeedee3:

Ok now i get you. I thought you were talking about minorities joining us. But there is none in delta state, is there?

You guys "Yoruba" are mostly migrants from Dahomey and Oyo and the Benin Empire and the americas, first look for your roots, then plan your future accordingly.

Olu317:
Yes they are there. And they have been surviving for centuries. They are known as OLUKUMI.

Olukumi are Edo, not Yoruba, when they migrated to the south-east, there was no such thing as yoruba, they are from the Benin empire. It might be time for yoruba to stop claiming every inch of Benin heritage. Or at least yoruba or "Yoruba" should stop denying their true name and their true King (for those whom are not from brazil)

Olu317:
Yes they are there. And they have been surviving for centuries. They are known as OLUKUMI.

Odiani( Yes, that's their name now, it's no longer Olukumi) had since assimilated into the Igbo culture of their Enu-ani neighbors. They are now Enu ani people.
They are no longer Yorubas just as Igbide( an Isoko town that migrated from Mgbidi in Imo state) are no longer Igbos today, or as Edoid speaking towns of Isua, Ifira, Ipe, Ipesi, Epinmi, etc in Akoko SE of Ondo state , are no longer Edo today, but had since assimilated into Yoruba culture and are proud Yorubas today.

history2902:

Olukumi are Edo, not Yoruba, when they migrated to the south-east, there was no such thing as yoruba, they are from the Benin empire. It might be time for yoruba to stop claiming every inch of Benin heritage. Or at least yoruba or "Yoruba" should stop denying their true name and their true King (for those whom are not from brazil)

In what planet are Odi- ani people Edo?

How I wish nigerian schools would start teaching history again, indeed most nigerians seem to be ignorant of history, and they often confuse past and present, very poor understanding of even the simple concepts oh history and time.

pazienza:



In what planet are Odi- ani people Edo?

Just take a map of west africa made 300 years ago. Speak with documents to prove your claims, not with "gra-gra"

Olu317:
Yes they are there. And they have been surviving for centuries. They are known as OLUKUMI.

But do those people consider themselves or see themselves as Yorubas today? That's the koko. A person is whomever he says he is. I don't buy into this idea of trying to cajole people into seeing themselves as something they've voluntarily rejected, irrespective of their authentic history. That is the same mistake some SE-based Igbo people make and which causes them a lot of needless embarrassment amongst supposed Igboid minorities in the SS.

a 32 year old guy named alfred (by his parents) changes his name to gatsby when he reaches 31, if you send the usual "nigerian" to research the past of gatsby, the nigerian would focus on the name gatsby as if gatsby's name has been "gatsby" right from birth.

history2902:

Just take a map of west africa made 300 years ago. Speak with documents to prove your claims, not with "gra-gra"

Maps made by who?

pazienza:


Maps made by who?

people who died 300 years ago

pazienza:


Odiani( Yes, that's their name now, it's no longer Olukumi) had since assimilated into the Igbo culture of their Enu-ani neighbors. They are now Enu ani people.
They are no longer Yorubas just as Igbide( an Isoko town that migrated from Mgbidi in Imo state) are no longer Igbos today, or as Edoid speaking towns of Isua, Ifira, Ipe, Ipesi, Epinmi, etc in Akoko SE of Ondo state , are no longer Edo today, but had since assimilated into Yoruba culture and are proud Yorubas today.

who told you that the group f people you mentioned are EDO stock? Epinmi,Ipe were never Edo. Go get your facts correct.

Olu317:
who told you that the group f people you mentioned are EDO stock? Epinmi,Ipe were never Edo. Go get your facts correct.

An other "gra-gra" talker, back your talk with proof or shut the h.ell up

AshiwajuFoward:


But do those people consider themselves or see themselves as Yorubas today? That's the koko. A person is whomever he says he is. I don't buy into this idea of trying to cajole people into seeing themselves as something they've voluntarily rejected, irrespective of their authentic history. That is the same mistake some SE-based Igbo people make and which causes them a lot of needless embarrassment amongst supposed Igboid minorities in the SS.

My point here is to give them recognition always and when such demand arises. I am also not a fan of disorderliness. Life is about choice,which made Edo chose their own identity and so be it All that can make Odu'a nation great is all that matters.

Olu317:
who told you that the group f people you mentioned are EDO stock? Epinmi,Ipe were never Edo. Go get your facts correct.

Lol! I know those communities at a personal level.

Don't even go there.

Those communities speak a clearly Edoid languages.

They all speak Yoruba as a second language, though for easy communication.

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Olu317:
My point is to give them recognition once such demand arises. I am also not a fan of disorderliness. Life is about choice,which made Edo chose their own identity and so be it All that can make Odu'a nation great is all that matters.

I don't think it's in our character as a people to reject our kith and kin who are not ashamed of their own history and roots. But at the same time, I also don't think it wise to belabour those who reject their own history. That's their problem. Like you said, life is about choices.

Olu317:
My point here is to give them recognition always and when such demand arises. I am also not a fan of disorderliness. Life is about choice,which made Edo chose their own identity and so be it All that can make Odu'a nation great is all that matters.

The Edo "choice of identity" is backed by historical records, is your "yoruba choice of identity" also backed by such ? Just name one "yoruba king" who fought the british. "If you didn't fight against the british then you never were a real King, you were a mere local chief."

AshiwajuFoward:


I don't think it's in our character as a people to reject our kith and kin who are not ashamed of their own history and roots. But at the same time, I also don't think it wise to belabour those who reject their own history. That's their problem. Like you said, life is about choices.

perfect

Olu317:
who told you that the group f people you mentioned are EDO stock? Epinmi,Ipe were never Edo. Go get your facts correct.

Isua, Epinmi, Ipesi, etc, in Akoko area of Ondo State speak a Yoruba dialect, and they all bear Yoruba names. I spent 2 years carrying out a project in Ikare-Akoko which was not far from Isua. Some of the best pounded yam I ever ate was from that side! There is nothing Edoid about them, o! Don't let anyone deceive you with their tales by moonlight on this thread. Some of them are well known for ascribing a false identity to other ethnic groups, except their own...

laudate:

Isua, Epinmi, Ipesi, etc, in Akoko area of Ondo State speak a Yoruba dialect, and they all bear Yoruba names. I spent 2 years carrying out a project in Ikare-Akoko which was not far from Isua. Some of the best pounded yam I ever ate was from that side! There is nothing Edoid about them, o! Don't let anyone deceive you with their tales by moonlight on this thread. Some of them are well known for ascribing a false identity to other ethnic groups, except their own...

Wow, my paternal grand mother is from ikarre-akoko.. ilepa side of the town.. You are correct, isua is not far from ikarre and arigidi even though dialect differs a little bit. . And they don't speak any Edo nonsense .. I understand the ikarre dialect perfectly well but can only speak little..

there can't be any "yoruba nation" because it would be based on falsehood and most of those you call "yoruba" only align with the label (for now) for political reasons. Deep down everybody knows that the label "yoruba" is not more real than the "aryan" or "vulkan" or "dathraki", all I forsee is what you story tellers often do, you call some people "your brothers" only so that you can put yourself above them and rub them.

Omofunaab2:
Wow, my paternal grand mother is from ikarre-akoko.. ilepa side of the town.. You are correct, isua is not far from ikarre and arigidi even though dialect differs... They are never any edoid nonsense... I understand the ikarre dialect perfectly well but can only speak little..

Yeah... during my project, I stayed at the Igbede side of town in Ikare. I was part of a project team installing different cell sites for a telco. We went from Ikare to Akungba-Akoko, Oka-Akoko, Supare and a few other places. Their language is just a dialect of Yoruba. That is why those ascribing an Edoid origin to that area, must be joking.

history acording to some self claimed "y.ariba": "I was there, they are not Edo, my project told me"

You this history419 guy, you have been hanging around a thread that has nothing to do with you for the past few days... A thread about an head-hoe girl based in Italy made front page yesterday.. She's about to run mad and she's suspected to have contacted HIV . One would have expected you to be on that thread but here you are.. We have told you guys as far back as page one of this thread that head-hoe people are not included..

. Prostitution, human trafficking are social problems.. And we don't want such problems

I can't stop laughing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dpK6LSBX-g

Story tellers will tell stories, even this guy's "crown" is an other story, can anybody tell me how old this guys "regalia" is ? I am guessing that his oldest "regalia" is less than 70 years old and that is an other story.

laudate:

Isua, Epinmi, Ipesi, etc, in Akoko area of Ondo State speak a Yoruba dialect, and they all bear Yoruba names. I spent 2 years carrying out a project in Ikare-Akoko which was not far from Isua. Some of the best pounded yam I ever ate was from that side! There is nothing Edoid about them, o! Don't let anyone deceive you with their tales by moonlight on this thread. Some of them are well known for ascribing a false identity to other ethnic groups, except their own...

Yes, I can't be deceived by anyone as it regard certain information before. Precisely these people were moving at different times to different places for economic or intergroup war reason . There are elements of Afemai settlement alongside Yoruba people in this group that he mentioned but all have been inter married with Yorubas. There is no Epinmi people or her environment that doesn't have Yoruba bloodlines. I inform as someone, whose family members married into Epinmi, and many part of Yoruba land, considering the manner at which Yoruba princes, priests, seasoned warriors married in the olden days. Bro, Yoruba ancestors were partial nomadic people and when they move, they were always prepared to engage anyone that or group of people that are aggressors. There are information that can't be disclosed online. But none of these people that don't have connection with Yoruba heritage.



Cheers

pazienza:


Odiani( Yes, that's their name now, it's no longer Olukumi) had since assimilated into the Igbo culture of their Enu-ani neighbors. They are now Enu ani people.
They are no longer Yorubas just as Igbide( an Isoko town that migrated from Mgbidi in Imo state) are no longer Igbos today, or as Edoid speaking towns of Isua, Ifira, Ipe, Ipesi, Epinmi, etc in Akoko SE of Ondo state , are no longer Edo today, but had since assimilated into Yoruba culture and are proud Yorubas today.

You are funny honestly because it seems “ODI " and “ANI" ARE not USED AS WORDS IN YORUBA LANGUAGE. Let me Kindly sway you away from such ignorance because you don't know that ODI has a Yoruba meaning as well as ANI.
Whatever, seem fit before you I s what you should hold on. However, I will appreciate if you have meaningful information to better the lot my People and if you don't anything positive but to turn this platform to CULTURE platform ISN'T GONNA WORK. KINDLY CONTINUE TO VIEW BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO CONTRIBUTE, NAADAH. Thanks for your understanding.

Olu317:
You asked a deep question that's perpetually, above board. However, let me clearly state here that there are different groups in Yoruba land and also in diaspora with ideology of actualising Odu'a nation's existence. These groups that have done tremendous work for the potential actualisation of Yoruba nation once the geographical local as it stand tilt toward balkanisation. The indisputable head of this actualisation of Yoruba nation is Rtd .General Akinrinade. The Yoruba bill of RIGHTS is with the UNITED NATIONS for years, so,it it is only a matter of time, for its realisation . The OP, is an entity that has been championing the cause of the actualisation of Odu'a nation for years as well as other groups but Yoruba cannot take on all the groups in Nigeria, until when few groups have issues as it stand now, which will make potential realisation of Odu'a nation possible. No group can be trusted by Yoruba based on the perception of the past event in the polity. It just as,one of the contributor, has hinted you, that sensitisation of the populace of Yoruba extraction, especially residing at Oke Oya and beyond are the ones that such might be the ones that need to be conscious of the situation . So, that they won't fall into the trap of irrational ideology of such balkanisation of this polity as a myriad. The hand writing is on the wall as it seems.

Odu'a land within this polity

Can you please explain the @bolded?

What does it implies?

When was it submitted?

What or how long will take for the process to sail through?

Thanks