Trottle:


Jebba is Moro LGA so?
A town being in an LGA dominated by an ethnic group does not strip it from its identity. Take for instance, Tsaragi is in Edu LGA and Tsare (share) is in Ifedlodun LGA but the two town are divided by a very narrow road.

AUTHORITATIVELY??
Are you an historian in any field(Anthropology, Sociology, African studies etc) or have you published books that takes talks about these two towns. Or you've only lived there for some years or at worst a decade and you depend on heresay from just abt source?

Sir, please respond accordingly thanks.

Kwaran Jebba is NOT in Moro, it is in Ifelodun.
Yoruba is what they speak, Nupe migrants there from across the Niger and from Edu speak Nupe or both.
The Pako-Jebba (Kwara side) are Yorubas and speak Yoruba. Neither do they have an Etsu like all the other traditional Nupe settleents around.

Only Jebba Niger (Mokwa L.G.A ) have a community head that is an Etsu Yankpa in person of Tetengi Mohammed.
The Kwaran Jebba have their Oba in like manner.

Markfemi2:


Are we clamouring for Niger?
I have been to Jebba and climbed the mountain
The people speak full fledged Yorubas
And the nupes usually come begging from Niger state

Point to resources that claim how Jebba is nupe
You did cipy and paste from Britannia and added grammar without evidence lol

Did you spent at up to two weeks to explore

Below is a screenshot form Yahaya (2003):

Zoolezoo:


Kwaran Jebba is NOT in Moro, it is in Ifelodun.
Yoruba is what they speak, Nupe migrants there from across the Niger and from Edu speak Nupe or both.
The Pako-Jebba (Kwara side) are Yorubas and speak Yoruba.

Update:
Jebba is in Moro LGA. Yoruba is not the only language the speak. The perspective I'm coming from is that Jebba is traditionally a Nupe town. Obviously, the world is becoming very diverse, and Jebba is not ab exception.

Trottle:


The LGA is an oversight from my part. Yoruba is not the only language the speak. The perspective I'm coming from is that Jebba is traditionally a Nupe town. Obviously, the world is becoming very diverse, and Jebba is not ab exception.

"All cultural traits of the Igbomina people portray them as Yoruba. Although under colonial rule they were partitioned to the North and South, they still remained either in the Yoruba provinces of the South or in the Southern part of the Northern provinces–contiguous to
the Yoruba provinces.

Today, they occupy Irepodun, Ifelodun and Isin Local Government Areas of Kwara State. There are few Igbomina towns in what is now Osun State. These include Ila-Orangun Oke-Ila and Ora Igbomina. Jebba- South is also Igbomina, although the population is now mixed. Towns like Iponrin, Lanwa, Ayetoro–Ile and Agbeyangi that are now in Ilorin East Local Government Area of Kwara State are all Igbomina

www.academicjournals.org/article/article1381857172_Ibiloye.pdf

Anyways, in a plebiscite , shebi it is the native people that will vote abi?
No need to argue over something that the Jebbans themselves will decide.

You know Yorubas are not known for "land grabbing" tendencies. We call Jebba the last Yoruba town before Oke Oya (Northern) for a reason, the claim is not baseless brother.

Trottle:


Did you spent at up to two weeks to explore

Below is a screenshot form Yahaya (2003):

This your point defines logic is lokoja and other towns not on that list ?
Does that mean nupe owns lokoja ?
And lokoja get emir why Jebba no get
Even ilorin that was lost has emir

Markfemi2:


Having a huge population of nupe doesn't make Jebba a nupe town and I used festac as an example nupe are also plenty in ifelodun,egbe, omo Aran they are called TAPA
You have not provided evidence
I have shown you list of oba
You can't even show one nupe king or emir
What you typed is what people call HEAVY WIND

We are still running in circles here.

Jebba was originally founded as a Nupe settlement and had remained so right unto Colonial times. But in the immediate post-Colonial era, after the White man singularly created a Yoruba race out of thin air... (Abdullahi and Ndace, nd).

Excerpt from "the Makers of Nupe"

Trottle:


We are still running in circles here.

Jebba was originally founded as a Nupe settlement and had remained so right unto Colonial times. But in the immediate post-Colonial era, after the White man singularly created a Yoruba race out of thin air... (Abdullahi and Ndace, nd).

Excerpt from "the Makers of Nupe"

1) you have quoted a northern source who still thinks today igbomina is northern and its 2003
2) no one is denying the influence of nupe on Jebba it's a border town settlement
3) until you can show us history of nupe ownership
4) list of nupe kings just how you can trace ilorin emir
Your just making noise
The white man did not install an oba if not he would have done the same for ilorin and added it back to west
They came during a period of war
And maintained status quo which is a lost Yoruba town surrrouned by Yoruba cities and added it to northern Nigeria to give them more political powers

Trottle:


Did you spent at up to two weeks to explore

Below is a screenshot form Yahaya (2003):

There are a few reasons why I can't take this list serious.

For Example look at Koton Karfe that is quoted to be a Nupe town, eve though everyone knows that the town is Aboriginal to the Egbira Koto and is ruled by an Ohimege.

Fearlez:
Tonto Dikeh, I never knew she was of that region. Honestly, I think she should be an expert in failed marriages and a crusader of desperate women who race against time by paying their own bride prize!

Sunday Oliseh was appointed national coach and I'm not surprised. Ask him what his father's name Olise means in Igbo.

Elechi Amadi ? Do you mean the poet I read in secondary school who scripted great works like the "Concubine" depicting Igbo culture and practices? You can't be serious.

Are you of that region? If you're not, you're attempting to rebrand a people with the cheap reach of 21st century social media.

In 2014, the head of Ohaneze was from Delta North, Anioma. Where did Kaduna Nzeogwu hail from ?

You say the denial of igbo by southern igbos began before the civil war? Where did you get that information from ? Where you born before the war? Have you read "There Was A Country" by Achebe? Do you realise Nigeria's first President, Nnamdi Azikiwe an indigene of Onitsha in the East is Eze-chime from a clan in Anioma Delta state?

Why did the federal troop carry out the Asaba genocide? Today's aniocha north, oshimimi north local governments area had over 11 Colonels in the war.

If you're not from that region , don't speak for them.

I am not speaking for anybody.

Okay let SS 'Igbo' leaders come out openly and agitate for unification with SE Igbos the way Kogi Yorubas have done and not vice versa as it is with Igbos.

Is that too much to ask

Zoolezoo:


There are a few reasons why I can't take this list serious.

For Example look at Koton Karfe that is quoted to be a Nupe town, eve though everyone knows that the town is Aboriginal to the Egbira Koto and is ruled by an Ohimege.

I said the guy is ignorant lol
We will use facts on ground to defeat him

Viergeachar:


I am not speaking for anybody.

Okay let SS 'Igbo' leaders come out openly and agitate for unification with SE Igbos the way Kogi Yorubas have done and not vice versa as it is with Igbos.

Is that too much to ask

SE WANTS SS TO JOIN
NC YORUBA WANTS TO JOIN SW NOT SW PUSHING FOR BY FORCE RELATIONSHIP LOL

Trottle:


We are still running in circles here.

Jebba was originally founded as a Nupe settlement and had remained so right unto Colonial times. But in the immediate post-Colonial era, after the White man singularly created a Yoruba race out of thin air... (Abdullahi and Ndace, nd).

Excerpt from "the Makers of Nupe"

Yoruba race was not created out of "Thin air"
There were strong sociolinguistic factors and ethno cultural elements that determined what clans were Yoruba and what clans were not.
Okene to Kabba or Akoko land inOndo state is less than 20 minutes on keke, yet the colonial masters did not label the Egbiras as Yoruba.

Markfemi2:


This your point defines logic is lokoja and other towns not on that list ?
Does that mean nupe owns lokoja ?
And lokoja get emir why Jebba no get
Even ilorin that was lost has emir

Sir you need to a crash course in history.

Send your email, and I would send you a very detailed source. It is a book published in 1942. The forward was written by Lugard himself. It is almost 500 pages. Once you are through with it, I would send other reaources to you. But for now we are done with this argument. If you need additonal material, notify me.

Viergeachar:


I am not speaking for anybody.

Okay let SS 'Igbo' leaders come out openly and agitate for unification with SE Igbos the way Kogi Yorubas have done and not vice versa as it is with Igbos.

Is that too much to ask

They have done so when they proposed for Anioma state with Onitsha as the head quarters which would have expanded Igbo geopolitical tentacles seamlessly into Niger-delta but Delta state was created instead!

Trottle:


Sir you need to a crash course in history.

Send your email, and I would send you a very detailed source. It is a book published in 1942. The forward was written by Lugard himself. It is almost 500 pages. Once you are through with it, I would send other reaources to you. But for now we are done with this argument. If you need additonal material, notify me.

I have books written by foreign scholars and even mongo park that pre dates lord Lugard
Everything your presenting as evidence so far as been discredited
Lokoja owned by nupe joke of the century

Fearlez:
They have done so when they proposed for Anioma state with Onitsha as the head quarters which would have expanded Igbo geopolitical tentacles seamlessly into Niger-delta but Delta state was created instead!

We are not hearing enough noise from them compared to Yorubas in central

Fearlez:
They have done so when they proposed for Anioma state with Onitsha as the head quarters which would have expanded Igbo geopolitical tentacles seamlessly into Niger-delta but Delta state was created instead!

Na lie.
Igbos sabotaged Anioma state creation and decided to go for the creation of Ebonyi state in the SE instead.lol
You can't ie to us.

Besides an Anioma state was not supposed to be in the Political south but rather, added to the SE as an additional state.

Zoolezoo:


Yoruba race was not created out of "Thin air"
There were strong sociolinguistic factors and ethno cultural elements that determined what clans were Yoruba and what clans were not.
Okene to Kabba or Akoko land inOndo state is less than 20 minutes on keke, yet the colonial masters did not label the Egbiras as Yoruba.

Even the name "Yoruba" is a British invention to join various ethnicities with similar cultures and linguistic similarities together. The same applies to the other "Super-tribes".

Trottle:


Even the name "Yoruba" is a British invention to join various ethnicities with similar cultures and linguistic similarities together. The same applies to the other "Super-tribes".

Yoruba was by kanuri not British ! As we have fought wars together stop dropping false info

Markfemi2:

I have books written by foreign scholars and even mongo park that pre dates lord Lugard
Everything your presenting as evidence so far as been discredited

Can you kindly send them. I'm more interested in Mungo Park's book.

So far you are not a scholar with international publications that have been popularly cited in reference to this subject matter, the best you can do is counter-argue with your own facts. Thanks.

Once again, I implore you to send at least 3 (Mungo Park's inclusive).

Trottle:


Even the name "Yoruba" is a British invention to join various ethnicities with similar cultures and linguistic similarities together. The same applies to the other "Super-tribes".

I can say the same about Nupe that is not even a "super tribe" and conclude that the Dibos are not nupe, the Kakandas are not Nupe, Kupas aren't Nupe as well, Gupa, etc. Because all these groups have their different peculiarities.
So you see.

Trottle:


Can you kindly send them. I'm more interested in Mungo Park's book.

So far you are not a scholar with international publications that have been popularly cited in reference to this subject matter, the best you can do is counter-argue with your own facts. Thanks.

Once again, I implore you to send at least 3 (Mungo Park's inclusive).

So the northern reference you sent is international lool uncle pls try again later

Markfemi2:


Yoruba was by kanuri not British ! As we have fought wars together stop dropping false info

Source, Source, Source.

How many wars did the duo fought together?
Who was the Aare on Kakanfo then?
Which tribe was the war waged against?
Which prominent territory was gained or lost.
Provide your sources to back your argument.

This is getting interesting

Trottle:


Source, Source, Source.

How many wars did the duo fought together?
Who was the Aare on Kakanfo then?
Which tribe was the war waged against?
Which prominent territory was gained or lost.
Provide your sources to back your argument.

This is getting interesting

Just one war
To checkmate Fulani expansion
No territory was lost
Ilorin was not lost in war rather Alimi betrayed afonja hence only one town gone while the remaining 29 towns have oba

The Nupe of Nigeria inhabit the "low basin formed by the valleys of the Niger and Kaduna rivers, between 9ºE 30' & 8ºE 30' north." They occupy an estimated total land area of about 7,000 square miles. With reference to a modern map of Nigeria, Nadel delineates Nupe's southern boundary to be a line drawn from Leaba, on the Niger, eastward to Kataeregi marks the northern boundary of Nupe land, another line drawn eastward from Shari (or Tsaragi) to Abugi and on to the Niger south of Baro ....

The Niger, flowing almost straight north-south between Leaba and Jebba divides Nupe country from Yoruba in the west; the slowly rising country, east of Lapai and Gidi, sloping upward towards the hills of Gbari country, forms the eastern boundary of Nupe.

http://scientiamilitaria.journals.ac.za/pub/article/view/151

That shows you that the Yoruba country on the East side of the Upper Ogun forest reserve axis actually terminates at the banks of the Niger

Trottle:


Which means that you've just agreed with an earlier assertion of mine. Don't get confused sir.

I don't understand your second statement. Please, restructure.

Jebba is 100% Yoruba ancient city, its ownership is not under contention, It border the Nupes who has a cordial relationship with the people of jebba and Yorubas in general predating colonial era.

Fearlez:
They have done so when they proposed for Anioma state with Onitsha as the head quarters which would have expanded Igbo geopolitical tentacles seamlessly into Niger-delta but Delta state was created instead!

Wow.
Why have they given up?
Always thought Anioma is the Igbo agenda for a 6th state in the SE.
That formed part of the core Igbo agitation at the last national conference.

AmuDimpka:
There is no Yoruba outside south West What we have us Yoruba immigrants in kogi not indigenous Yoruba

What a senseless post of the decade!

Zoolezoo:

http://scientiamilitaria.journals.ac.za/pub/article/view/151

That shows you that the Yoruba country on the East side of the Upper Ogun forest reserve axis actually terminates at the banks of the Niger

No one is saying no nupe presence in Jebba it's that ownership he seems to be mixing up and points no other evidence than showing papers with Jebba as place where nupe occupy

Markfemi2:


Just one war
To checkmate Fulani expansion
No territory was lost
Ilorin was not lost in war rather Alimi betrayed afonja hence only one town gone while the remaining 29 towns have oba

You've just shot yourself with a Double-barrel gun I aksed you about the Kanuri-Yoruba coalition. But you are referring to the Alimi-Afonja historical saga.

Please refer back to the earlier discourse, and answer the questions posed there.

Markfemi2:


So the northern reference you sent is international lool uncle pls try again later

I have other ones too if you want. However, I'm interested in the books "that pre-dates Lugard's" which you claim to possess. Send them.

Trottle:


You've just shot yourself with a Double-barrel gun I aksed you about the Kanuri-Yoruba coalition. But you are referring to the Alimi-Afonja historical saga.

Please refer back to the earlier discourse, and answer the questions posed there.

Sigh

Ilorin loss is different from Fulani expansion
Before Fulani captured ilorin
They had already waged war against today's north east oyo empire and even Benin
Ilorin loss was another battle entirely