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menxer:
That is nice, follow up is in order.

Maestro21:
Interesting. The moment your own church is robed in it becomes "everybody is entitled to his or her belief".

If you knew this since, why then did you come to this thread to post?

obonujoker:
Keep writing against men of God.... God called him not you... God will be the one to judge him..... if you don't like the church, you leave.....

And there is no church where you won't give money, even after offering and tithe.... Church cannot go and steal govt money to run..

I am also not a Christ embassy member...

mapist:
..omo, u badt abeg...u just vex para given his vague points..

slimghost:
My brother, no need going back and forth with a lost soul.
Let him enjoy the yahoo yahoo church with all the nudity and worldliness.

kizyalex10:
well I had to stop. Here because no matter wht,i don't think u will agree with my point neither will I agree with urs.so arguing endlessly is for idle people.ok u win

jnrbayano:
Where you there when God called him?

What was the date and location where the calling took place?

Maestro21:
Is Pope Francis called by God? If he is how do you know? Were you there when God called him? What was the date and location where the calling took place?

jnrbayano:
Yes. The apostles called by Jesus ordained other apostles. There is a clear and recorded unbroken lineage from that time to Pope Francis.

Now, can you answer for Chris?

The problem with this teaching of an unbroken line is that in A.D.1045, Pope Benedict IX was run out of office because of his unworthiness, with Silvester III taking his place. When Benedict IX returned, he sold the Papal throne to Gregory VI, but still refused to give up his own claim to the throne. So at this time, all three men claimed to be the legitimate Pope! Then in 1046, the German Emperor Henry III settled it by deposing all three Popes and appointing a fourth, Clement II.

It's funny that since after 1046 AD, Roman catholic popes have been succeeding a pope appointed by a German emperor. LOL.

Marchman:
2. Sin Means Nothing at CE
Their teaching regarding to sin is so liberal. They rarely even mention it. The belief is that a Christian cannot sin, but only do wrong. The implicit message here is that ‘if you are saved, you are always saved’. You are a son of God and nothing you do or do not do can change the fact. In other words, heaven is sure. I am really not versed in the Bible to argue with this but what I know is that, this teaching is dangerous. It is like giving one a blank cheque or immunity from sin. What you have is a morally decadent church, starting from the top. Sexual sins are so rampant. You must have read the allegations of Pst Anita against her husband, that he was screwing some top female pastors. Such allegations are common in the church and I believe Pst Anita was very naïve in not understanding what was happening under her nose for decades!

It is not just PSt Chris that has been accused of fornication; his younger brother Rev Ken was also accused of impregnating a member of the South African Church when he pastored it. My friend who was in the church at that time (he also has left) told me that in all practical terms, Rev Ken had a harem in SA, with all manners of girls, mainly young university girls, living in his house. His wife was leading the church at Isolo, Lagos at that time. Apart of the Oyakhilome brothers, sin (or wrong-doing since a Christian cannot sin, according to their belief) is very common among the pastors and laity. Including me. I did a lot of things I’m not proud of as a leader, including fornication. But what struck me is that I was going numb, conscienceless in the church. No message speaks to my struggles to stay upright and not to sin. They do not even talk about such things. The focus of the messages is often on how to be successful, perhaps so you can give more money!

In summary, at CE, sin means nothing!

bigtt76:
Toh! You've said it all. The Church today has become an avenue of theatrical acts and followers hip rather than fellowship. The pastor's word supercedes God's word these days hence we now have pastors being called daddy or mummy.

Their photographs now are a source of protection to our homes or properties. It has become the equivalent to the mark of blood God directed the Israelite to have on their door posts while preparing to leave Egypt.

We blame a religion that kill in the name of their God but the truth is some church members would do same not for their God but their pastors.

Marchman:
I have not posted in a while but if you have followed my previous posts, you would know that I used to attend Christ Embassy Church, even though I had reservations about some of their teachings. I finally left the church, phew!
I will use this thread to explain why I quit the church and why I may never attend another Pentecostal/Charismatic church which now appears to me like a sole proprietorship, with the General Overseer or lead pastor as the owner.

1. Excessive premium on Giving money

In Christ Embassy the number one thing they lay emphasis on is giving money. The church can use any tactic to get money from members, including manipulation, threats and the likes. While there is nothing wrong with giving money or time, I believe everything should be balanced and moderate. I think that was why St Paul said we should not give out of target, or threat but as we decide in our heart. In CE, there is nothing like moderation or balance when it comes to giving. They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money. You don’t have a job, give and sow seed. You are infertile, give and sow seed. Your father is sick, give and sow seed. Every message ends with a charge to give money. They collect tithes, offerings, partnerships (money), seeds (more money), first fruits (your whole income in January) and plethora of others.

You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris’s birthday and for all the other pastors. And for projects and the likes too.

Before I started worshipping with the Church, I read the story of the account clerk at the Sheraton Hotel who stole from his employers to give to the church. As a member, I could relate with the man. The Church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it. If you want to rise or be noticed or win awards, just give big money. It is this obsession with money that led it to start collecting gate fees from members for its New Year Service at the LoveWorld Convocation Arena in Lagos, which ironically was built by the offerings of the members charged to get in. A lot of people I know personally had gone broke, had their businesses ruined, or fallen out with a loved one because of this teaching by the church.

In summary, at CE, money is everything- EVERYTHING.

Marchman:
2. Sin Means Nothing at CE
Their teaching regarding to sin is so liberal. They rarely even mention it. The belief is that a Christian cannot sin, but only do wrong. The implicit message here is that ‘if you are saved, you are always saved’. You are a son of God and nothing you do or do not do can change the fact. In other words, heaven is sure. I am really not versed in the Bible to argue with this but what I know is that, this teaching is dangerous. It is like giving one a blank cheque or immunity from sin. What you have is a morally decadent church, starting from the top. Sexual sins are so rampant. You must have read the allegations of Pst Anita against her husband, that he was screwing some top female pastors. Such allegations are common in the church and I believe Pst Anita was very naïve in not understanding what was happening under her nose for decades!

It is not just PSt Chris that has been accused of fornication; his younger brother Rev Ken was also accused of impregnating a member of the South African Church when he pastored it. My friend who was in the church at that time (he also has left) told me that in all practical terms, Rev Ken had a harem in SA, with all manners of girls, mainly young university girls, living in his house. His wife was leading the church at Isolo, Lagos at that time. Apart of the Oyakhilome brothers, sin (or wrong-doing since a Christian cannot sin, according to their belief) is very common among the pastors and laity. Including me. I did a lot of things I’m not proud of as a leader, including fornication. But what struck me is that I was going numb, conscienceless in the church. No message speaks to my struggles to stay upright and not to sin. They do not even talk about such things. The focus of the messages is often on how to be successful, perhaps so you can give more money!

In summary, at CE, sin means nothing!

Marchman:
3. Pastor Chris is the orthodoxy
In CE, Pst Chris is the standard; he is the orthodoxy of the word of God. He is in fact treated like God. His words are law. He could cancel engagements, delay marriages and, in my mother’s language, can do and undo!
Everything revolves around him. He has limitless powers and not inhibited by anything.

And what do they say about absolute power corrupts absolutely?

Exactly what you have in the church. No one dares challenge him. In a godly environment, there should have been some enquiry in to the crisis of his marriage with the objective to mend the issues. But no one dares even raise such issues. People like Joe Agbaje are prepared to lie for him. I recall a time when the issue of PST Chris living separately from his wife came up here, Joe Agbaje defended him, claiming that the couple see often and even go on romantic get-away. It was not true. To all intents and purpose, the man abandoned his wife and family in London while gallivanting around the world with his concubines. This was wrong, but who could challenge the KING? The man had also warned members never to discuss pastors and that they should run away where such matters are being discussed. What you have is a situation where people are so afraid to even consider the allegations against him, so as not to be consumed by fire! SMH!!!

With such a context, the man can get away with anything, including polygamy. He can rewrite the bible, claiming that some portions or verses were not clearly written. He can do ANYTHING, and the staunch members and the pastors would defend him. I mean ANYTHING.

They deify him, call him the ‘Jesus in white suit,’ ‘the Jesus of our time’ and such heresies.
Two personal experiences really got me worried.

A. I was in church one day when a leader in a talk show said, “Pst Chris is not only in Ikeja or Lagos. His spirit is even here right now’’. I was shocked by the comments and obvious deification of a mere mortal. But when the pastor came up, he did not rebuke the speaker or said anything about it. I left for home, thinking hard: What has happened to these people?
B. Th other one was during prayer. The person leading the prayer asked us to pray so that the message of PST Chris will take over the world. Message of Pst Chris? I asked myself. I thought we came there because of the gospel/message of Christ? Does Pst Chris have a different message? Of course, I didn’t participate in that prayer but I was shocked that no one saw anything wrong in this, which validated my growing belief that the church was veering out of the Christian lane into something else.

I will stop here for now. But if challenged by the minions of the church, I have more arsenals. Good day and God bless you.

Maestro21:
As per about Pastor Chris, How did the Jews of John the Baptist's day tell that he was sent from God? That is the same way you can tell for any other person.

jnrbayano:
Below is a summary of how John the baptist was known:

Isaiah 40:3 (Isaiah's prophesy about the Messenger, John the Baptist)

"The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

Malachi 3:1 (Another prophecy about same person)

"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

John 1:23 (John tells them he is that person in the prophesy)

"He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias."

Matthew 11:7-10 (Jesus concurred and went further to tell people who John the Baptist is and how his lifestyle relates to "desert" )

"And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 8. But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. 10. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee."

Who called Chris?

Maestro21:
John read the scriptures- some of which you listed above (OT), saw his place in it and fulfilled it. People who saw him fulfilling those scriptures confirmed he was called. Jesus did same in Luke 4:21.

Pastor Chris is doing same like Paul said in 2Cor 12:12.

jnrbayano:
2 Cor 12:12

"Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds."

1) In reference to your quote, do you doubt that the devil can also perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds?

2) So you infer that God called Chris to make an appearance on National TV to teach that masturbation isn't a sin?

3) You mean to say that the activities of Chris Oyahkilome's Believers Love World as highlighted by the Op the hallmark of someone/people who is/are called by God (The same God that called St Peter, St Paul etc)?

Sighs!

Maestro21:
1. The devil can appear as an angel of light but he cannot heal the sick, cast out demons etc. He cannot cast out himself.

2. He taught that masturbation in itself is not a sin. Add the "in itself".

3. If you read the 2 Cor in it's entirety Paul was accused of swindling people, being a liar, deceiver etc. It is not new. I have followed Pastor Chris' ministry for 15 years and I have been a member for 10. The OP exaggerated many things, misunderstood a few and lied blatantly in others.

jnrbayano:
1) Can the devil perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds as talked about in the bible verse you put forward. Yes or no? Stop dancing around.

2) Masturbation is a blatant sin because is of a sexual nature. Its only the devil will say otherwise.

3) Are you saying that the Op didn't know exactly what he witnessed in his time with BLW? What are those blatant lies he stated. Point them out meticulously.

jnrbayano:
Yes. The apostles called by Jesus ordained other apostles. There is a clear and recorded unbroken lineage from that time to Pope Francis.

Now, can you answer for Chris?

itsmeurLady:
OP this does not only happen in Christ embassy, it happens everywhere as per the giving issue... for ur info, I've been a CEC Member for years now and I've never been broke, it has been from one level of glory to another. Are u saying that the Bible is a liar Givers never lack, it's not possible except u are giving for the wrong reasons. Show me a person that gave and I will show u a person that gave wrongly. U don't kno wat ppl do when the give, so don't be quick to conclude. Yes I kno there are some acts that cld be questioning in my church buh that's bcs we are not perfect, we are all striving towards perfection... pastor does not promote sin, if you study ur bible properly and read ur devotional, it will be difficult for sin to have dominion in ur life. Just if u will let the Holy Spirit guide you to serve God right. Cs the Bible sez not by our power nor by might but by his spirit. So OP go and look for the perfect church to worship in, where there are no offenders but trust me u will be shocked. I'm still in CEC bcs it has improved my spiritual life in terms of praying, speaking positively and seeing things differently from the world's view. It has also built my faith, so OP u have sed ur own, but I can count my blessings from that same church u are condemning. Story plenty for Christ embassy but my dear OP, stay in a Church that above all, will help put the word of God in your spirit. Some pastors even listen to Pastor Chris'msgs to tell you how powerful his messages are. OP take heed lest u fall, Don't let Satan use you to drag ppl away from the body of Christ Cs I don't see the reason y u are posting this... u dey post am make we comot? Comot go where Another church that will still do the same thing

vicfuntop:
Really sarcasm

achieverme:
And one of the gospels of righteousness being preached by Mr Chris oyakhilome involves telling you that masturbation is not a sin? Any, for how long do you want to cover up the lies and errors in your church?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP0CDsvu8DM

lastchild:
well said by you but what do you have to say about the sexual immorality in CE, or is the poster also lying on that aspect?

itsmeurLady:
CE is not the only church with sexual immorality, though I'm not supporting it but ....

achieverme:
And one of the gospels of righteousness being preached by Mr Chris oyakhilome involves telling you that masturbation is not a sin? Any, for how long do you want to cover up the lies and errors in your church?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP0CDsvu8DM

kizyalex10:
@least is good to honour (HONOUR NT WORSHIP)someone who have attain some certain level of purity by d virtue of being d mother of our savior. Than honouring a mere pastor cum conman who advices his picture nd other items as a mode of protection for his members while he uses body guard.as for preaching,i think u have nt been to catholic bfor,because I think catholic nd maybe deeper life is the only church who doesn't preach about success nd miracle but rather than salvation.because with salvation they believe,other good things will fall into place(i stand to be corrected)all other church wants to preach what u want to hear,hw a lazy man who wouldn't work will get a miraculous phone call that he have won 10. Million naira because of the seed he will sow.in catholic,no one notice u.even if u give 10 million every day,jst give 10k in other church's every week nd stop going to church,u go see hw members. Nd other pastors go full ur house jst to knw if their customer have been snatched by other church.have u heard of charism in catholic?catholic bible society?etc,those groups re there to futher enhance ur life from where the priest stopped.hail Mary full of grace is biblical,even d angel said it nt to talk of u.catholic is maintaining d ancient way of worship.

Areacode213:
What permissive drivel/hairsplitting is this despite Romans 12:2? We humans and our capacity for sleight. SMH.

Beating the meat no longer explicitly a sin despite the Bible characterizng lust (in the heart) from the base level of intent a.k.a. brainwave?

Must have spilled this heresy at the climax of the the Chris hubris. Even the connoisseurs and xhamster Wankmaster-Generals are contrite enough to know better.

Too little sleep probably. Hope he eventually succeeds jerking off out of his spiritual doze.

God have mercy!

Maestro21:
1. No the devil cannot perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds.

2. So when a man has sex with his wife he is sinning since it is of a sexual nature?

3. To what end? Not every one deserves a response. Perhaps, if I am convinced you have the right spirit I will. There is a rejoinder by a CE member also, you may look it up.

paulGrundy:
The bolded is a big lie. Care to show proof of your claim?