sEGXY2:
You reside here?

lokoja

9jakool:

Bassa Nge and Kakanda are stand alone ethnic groups with very close affiliation to Nupes. They inhabit some parts of Lokoja lga.

The largest piece of land in Lokoja is however occupied by the Oworo from Chokochoko to Obajana(where Dangote's largest cement mine/plant is located) to Agbaja(a community surrounded by mountains) to Budon(a fishing community located near the Niger) and YES to parts of Lokoja.

Okunland is very blessed with abundant mineral resources like iron ore and limestone. Okunland supplies a huge chunk of Kogi's mineral resources and earnings, but it's still very underdeveloped. Despite Okun being 1 of the 3 largest ethnic groups in Kogi, they are relatively marginalized.

The children of Okun need to make this call repetitive and loud. Bring up a media campaign on Social Media and be heard. One thread in 6months talking about the desire to carve a broad Yoruba Commonwealth encompassing from Lagos to Lokoja will not be enough. The campaign must be consistent and engaging.

Most of you guys keep on mentioning Lokoja as a Yoruba town but this is largely untrue and what's now known as Lokoja today consists of territories belonging to Ebiras, Nupes and Hausas. Take for instance the land along the road leading to Barracks and Imeme bridge belongs to Ebiras, Ganaja where the Commissioners Quarters are built is an Ebira territory. Anybody familiar with Lokoja will know that it will be difficult to create a Yoruba town in Lokoja without cutting off other Yoruba territories.

Another issue that draws my attention is that Okun lands having the largest mineral deposits in Kogi this is untrue.

sEGXY2:
EGCA egbe!

Class year? I'm 2008

Zoolezoo:


But na waa o.
Why did the Nupes allow Hausa customs and mannerisms to erase so much of their uniqueness like this?
I always knew the Hausa talk in Lokoja was all Bullshit anyways.

Nupes were conquered by Fulanis (not through war but by deception/usurpation) just like the Ilorin people were.
So, overtime, they have been heavily mixed with Hausa-fulanis.
However, the Hausa-fulani settlers in Nupe land (who are most people of the royal houses) were completely Nupenized linguistically, but the strong influence is still visible.

MayorofLagos:


Gari is Hausa term for township. Maigari, Head of Township, is an equivalent of Baale in Yoruba. What is Nupe term for Township, is it Gari? In core Nupe cities are Head of Townships also named Maigari?

I am from the North Central and fluent in Hausa language, so i don't think i need the hausa lessons. Lol

Im my own tribe and in my hometown, among our traditional rulers, we have the Hakimis, Ciromas, Waziris and all the Hausa titles you can think of, but we are not hausas and we were never conquered by Hausas, we only copied Hausa kingship systems from Bauchi emirate whom we were subject to during colonial period (by virtue of the British colonial indirect rule system).

Nupes have these Hausa kingship titles too. Even Auchi in Edo state have some Hausa kingship titles too, let alone the Nupe speaking tribes of Lokoja who are subject to Bida emirate.

It's obvious you are yoruba. If you were from the North or middlebelt, you would never have argued on this.

MayorofLagos:


Did Kabba exist before British arrival? What is their history before arrival of the foreigner?

Yes i think Kabba existed before British arrival as the name of a place. The british then used it in naming the province. Okuns were not the only people under Kabba province. I think Ebiras, Ogori-magongo and some Kwara yorubas/Kogi nupe speakers were classified under Kabba province.

The only thing i can say about Kabba or Okun history was the fact that they and the Ebiras were heavily raided by Nupe-fulani jihadists, many of them enslaved (apparently, this was the reason they were classified as northerners instead of Southerners, cos the Nupe emirates made the British believe they were subject to them).
Okuns believed to have migrated from Ife. So, you can read up on their history.

9jakool:

I did not mention those ethnic groups because I'm not daft supremacist nor am I looking for petty arguments. I know those ethnic groups have more legitimacy over Lokoja. I mentioned the Hausa and Igala, because any claim of ownership by these two groups is completely illegitimate.



FYI, I'm familiar with Lokoja, the Kakandas are not native to the city. Kankada district of Lokoja LGA is actually far from the city of Lokoja. Before you reach Lokoja city from Kakanda district which is tucked away in the Niger border far away from the confluence, you have to pass through Oworo. However, I know that some like Nupe-Tako (Bassa Nge) have more claim to the city as they were one of the first to settle in Lokoja.

Yeah, well, the point still remains that there was never no need for you to mention Hausas or Igalas claiming Lokoja, cos they never had and never will.

Lokoja is a property of Okun yorubas, Ebira-koto and Nupe speakers, but as it is, i'd say Nupe speakers seem to have the upper hand traditionally n on influence. Okuns seem to have the larger land area while Ebira-koto seem to have the numbers/population.

How can a human being who is agitating for a non Viable dry Okun state open up his mouth and call Anioma, a place full of rich human resources and mineral resources non viable?

Why are these people this slimy?

9jakool:


Oh YES it could be Lokoja. If you have taken anything from this thread, you would know that many Yorubas want a homogenous Okun State. No need to fret. Ok? Like you said, those ethnic groups cannot join and the Okun don't want them to join either. The Yoruba parts of Lokoja will be ceded to Okun state. Not a single Okun territory will be left behind in creation of an Okun state.

Hahahaha, Lokoja my foot. That means they don't want their so called Okun state. Yorubas want to fight with the North na'im be that oo.
You think the Nupe emirates, Ebiras, all Kogi people and the entire north will watch Okuns take Lokoja away to South-west? Especially that new Federal govt. Univeristy in Felele? What a big dream.

FYI, the Nupes are also fighting for Edu state, and they want Lokoja to be part of the state too.

Yorubas should just forget about ever having any inch of Ilorin or Lokoja in the South-west, you have to face the Sokoto caliphate first because both cities are traditionally under the Sokoto caliphate rulership.

pazienza:
How can a human being who is agitating for a non Viable dry Okun state open up his mouth and call Anioma, a place full of rich human resources and mineral resources non viable?

Why are these people this slimy?

Okun and most Kogi areas are very very rich mineral rescources and with a larger land mass compared to Anioma.

Nowenuse:


Okun and most Kogi areas are very very rich mineral rescources and with a larger land mass compared to Anioma.

It's not about Landmass. The entire Kogi put together have not a quarter of human resources Anioma have.
Think of Okonjos, Utomis, Elumelus, Ovias of this world.

Anioma also has crude oil and gas in the Ndokwa region.

There is simply no basis for the comparison. Anioma as a state will be more viable than the current entire Kogi state, let alone a part of Kogi that Okun represents.

MayorofLagos:


The children of Okun need to make this call repetitive and loud. Bring up a media campaign on Social Media and be heard. One thread in 6months talking about the desire to carve a broad Yoruba Commonwealth encompassing from Lagos to Lokoja will not be enough. The campaign must be consistent and engaging.

One problem i have observed with Okun people is that most of them are living, residing and were born in Kaduna, Kano, Jos, Lagos and Ilorin.
Many Okun adults today have never stepped their feet in their villages. They seem to hardly travel home.

Okuns are arguably the most intelligent and educated people in the North. The questions you guys need to ask them is, why don't they come back and develop Kabba?

And you guys should stop all that bull crap of Marginalization. Kogi is a relatively poor and young state. Igalas have been marginalizing everybody else until now. Okuns produce deputy governors, Senators, Speakers, comissioners and other juicy positions in the state. Why then is Ebira land (Okene for instance) far more developed than Okun land?

pazienza:


It's not about Landmass. The entire Kogi put together have not a quarter of human resources Anioma have.
Think of Okonjos, Utomis, Elumelus, Ovias of this world.

Anioma also has crude oil and gas in the Ndokwa region.

There is simply no basis for the comparison. Anioma as a state will be more viable than the current entire Kogi state, let alone a part of Kogi that Okun represents.

All those names you are mentioning, what have they contributed to the development of Anioma land or Delta state?

Kogi or Okun state through the dredging of River Niger can have a viable inland sea port. The amount of Limestone, iron ore, coal, bauxite, dolomite, tin, tar, gold and even petroleum too and other mineral deposits in Kogi is unimaginable. Kogi has always been listed as the richest non- crude oil mineral state in Nigeria.
It's not just about crude oil alone. The stupid Nigerian fed govt have made us believe crude oil is everything we can see how crude oil in falling to irrelevancy in the world today.

Besides, how can you underestimate the power of a very fertile land mass? We are not talking of a large arid or semi- arid landmass here.
Okun land is also sparsely- populated. Imagine only about 1 million inhabitants to a land far bigger than the entire Enugu state. There is excess fertile land for agriculture.

Nowenuse:


All those names you are mentioning, what have they contributed to the development of Anioma land or Delta state?

Kogi or Okun state through the dredging of River Niger can have a viable inland sea port. The amount of Limestone, iron ore, coal, bauxite, dolomite, tin, tar, gold and even petroleum too and other mineral deposits in Kogi is unimaginable. Kogi has always been listed as the richest non- crude oil mineral state in Nigeria.
It's not just about crude oil alone. The stupid Nigerian fed govt have made us believe crude oil is everything we can see how crude oil in falling to irrelevancy in the world today.

Besides, how can you underestimate the power of a very fertile land mass? We are not talking of a large arid or semi- arid landmass here.
Okun land is also sparsely- populated. Imagine only about 1 million inhabitants to a land far bigger than the entire Enugu state. There is excess fertile land for agriculture.

Anioma has a very rich substantial fertile landmass too. In addition to crude oil and gas Anioma has coal too. If Nigeria be restructured , anioma can generate endless amount of energy to run industries her highly resourceful human population can provide.
And I'm sure that Anioma is rich in other minerals.

There are many new innovative ways of being agriculturally productive in a relatively small land mass, the likes of Netherlands are doing this. Moreover, Anioma land mass is just ok.

Anioma is also by River Niger banks, and together with Onitsha can develop a River port too.

realjoker:
Markfemi2. Have you seen what you caused. Trolls like this cynics will be wasting someone's precious time on stupid issues.

Its better for one to get off such thread to avoid others wasting their time o.

Trottle:


Can you kindly send them. I'm more interested in Mungo Park's book.

So far you are not a scholar with international publications that have been popularly cited in reference to this subject matter, the best you can do is counter-argue with your own facts. Thanks.

Once again, I implore you to send at least 3 (Mungo Park's inclusive).

I can conclude that you're an academic. At unilorin or kwasu

Nowenuse:


Yeah, well, the point still remains that there was never no need for you to mention Hausas or Igalas claiming Lokoja, cos they never had and never will.

Lokoja is a property of Okun yorubas, Ebira-koto and Nupe speakers, but as it is, i'd say Nupe speakers seem to have the upper hand traditionally n on influence. Okuns seem to have the larger land area while Ebira-koto seem to have the numbers/population.

What are the most common local languages in the Lokoja township?
apart from pidgin which a lot of people now speak?

cc: 9jakool

MayorofLagos:


The children of Okun need to make this call repetitive and loud. Bring up a media campaign on Social Media and be heard. One thread in 6months talking about the desire to carve a broad Yoruba Commonwealth encompassing from Lagos to Lokoja will not be enough. The campaign must be consistent and engaging.

This agitation started in the 50s but due to some of their selfish sons that gain from northern crumbs.

Can You imagine some old people in Kwara and Kogi don't even know they're Northerners; they think they are with their kith and kin in the S/West. Tell me what are Ekitis, Igbominas, Okuns Ibolos, and even Oyos in Ilorin doing in the north? Courtesy of the Sarakis, Awoniyi and etal.

When they need position, North will remember they are Yorubas; when the position comes to West, they are seen as Northerners!
I remember the lot of noise when Obasanjo appointed Accountant General from Kogi.

There will be correction one day!

A190:
Class year? I'm 2008

Mayorkun Aro's set?

I graduated 2012!

Nowenuse:


Hahahaha, Lokoja my foot. That means they don't want their so called Okun state. Yorubas want to fight with the North na'im be that oo.
You think the Nupe emirates, Ebiras, all Kogi people and the entire north will watch Okuns take Lokoja away to South-west? Especially that new Federal govt. Univeristy in Felele? What a big dream.

FYI, the Nupes are also fighting for Edu state, and they want Lokoja to be part of the state too.

Yorubas should just forget about ever having any inch of Ilorin or Lokoja in the South-west, you have to face the Sokoto caliphate first because both cities are traditionally under the Sokoto caliphate rulership.

Blah blah blah.
This is exactly what's wrong with Nigeria. "Fight the North" has become the catchphrase of the day. As if you must get the North's approval before you can do something even on your own soil. Mschew! Na only the North dey get naija? Last I heard the Sokoto caliphate or any traditional institutions in general have no political power in Nigeria's politics arena or at least they say.

Now Ilorin can't be West because one emir is Sokoto's fanboy abi? If it wasn't for the British, the emirate system in Ilorin would have been abolished decades ago. Do you know how many times that emir's palace has been sacked? You can always trust the British to install puppets who will gladly fulfill their bidding against the will of the people.

*Facts deposed emirs back in the day who fail to do the British dirty job are banished and deposed in Lokoja.

Anyways speaking of Lokoja, the plight of the various ethnicities shall be respected, only the Yoruba speaking part of the city will be ceded to Okun state from Otokiti to Felele. Also, you do know that the Maigari has absolutely no control over Oworo territories. The Edu people can claim the non-Yoruba parts of the city

TeAgbanlin:


What are the most common local languages in the Lokoja township?
apart from pidgin which a lot of people now speak?

cc: 9jakool

Many languages (Nupe, Yoruba, Ebira)
It's pretty much a cosmopolitan city.

Nowenuse:


Yes i think Kabba existed before British arrival as the name of a place. The british then used it in naming the province. Okuns were not the only people under Kabba province. I think Ebiras, Ogori-magongo and some Kwara yorubas/Kogi nupe speakers were classified under Kabba province.

The only thing i can say about Kabba or Okun history was the fact that they and the Ebiras were heavily raided by Nupe-fulani jihadists, many of them enslaved (apparently, this was the reason they were classified as northerners instead of Southerners, cos the Nupe emirates made the British believe they were subject to them).
Okuns believed to have migrated from Ife. So, you can read up on their history.

You don't need to misinform people.

Kabba division was a purely Okun division made up 4 Okun subgroups. The oworos were the only Okun group not included in Kabba div. Oworos were grouped under Kwara division which makes up present day Lokoja and Kogi LGAs. The Ebira and Ogori magongo were grouped mainly in the Igbira division.

Also, you assertion makes little sense. If Okun were considered North because of the Nupes, then why were areas controlled by Oyo ceded to the North as opposed to West?

sEGXY2:
Mayorkun Aro's set?

I graduated 2012!

Oh. Notorious set

9jakool:

You don't need to misinform people.

Kabba division was a purely Okun division made up 4 Okun subgroups. The oworos were the only Okun group not included in Kabba div. Oworos were grouped under Kwara division which makes up present day Lokoja and Kogi LGAs. The Ebira and Ogori magongo were grouped mainly in the Igbira division.

Also, you assertion makes little sense. If Okun were considered North because of the Nupes, then why were areas controlled by Oyo ceded to the North as opposed to West?

'Mr i know it all' LoL. Where did you see me mention Kabba division? I was talking about Kabba province which included Kabba division, Koton-karfe division, Igala & Egbira divisions.
Pls differentiate colonial provinces from colonial divisions.

What areas controlled by Oyo were ceded to the north? Offa or Kwara south? If yes, i think those places have to be on the influence of Ilorin.
I heard that Ilorin had great influence on the surrounding yoruba territories. I heard that some Kings from Kwara south used to be crowned in Ilorin (in the past, but am not so sure).
The British respected and adored the emirates so much and were eager to please them.

9jakool:


Blah blah blah.
This is exactly what's wrong with Nigeria. "Fight the North" has become the catchphrase of the day. As if you must get the North's approval before you can do something even on your own soil. Mschew! Na only the North dey get naija? Last I heard the Sokoto caliphate or any traditional institutions in general have no political power in Nigeria's politics arena or at least they say.

Now Ilorin can't be West because one emir is Sokoto's fanboy abi? If it wasn't for the British, the emirate system in Ilorin would have been abolished decades ago. Do you know how many times that emir's palace has been sacked? You can always trust the British to install puppets who will gladly fulfill their bidding against the will of the people.

*Facts deposed emirs back in the day who fail to do the British dirty job are banished and deposed in Lokoja.

Anyways speaking of Lokoja, the plight of the various ethnicities shall be respected, only the Yoruba speaking part of the city will be ceded to Okun state from Otokiti to Felele. Also, you do know that the Maigari has absolutely no control over Oworo territories. The Edu people can claim the non-Yoruba parts of the city

Some things are easier said than done.

Well, you guys are free to try your luck. But until then, Ilorin & Lokoja remain properties of the caliphate traditionally.

realjoker:
Lol... Don't even know what to say to you. Since your shallow brain has jumped in to conclusion of where I am from.

So where are you then from?

Nowenuse:


Some things are easier said than done.

Well, you guys are free to try your luck. But until then, Ilorin & Lokoja remain properties of the caliphate traditionally.

I thought You were actually beginning to sound meaningful and make sense with some of your older posts here, until I discovered that you were just another typical Northern Fulani asslicker.
"Properties of the caliphate" indeed.

AbakalikiPress:


I thought You were actually beginning to sound meaningful and make sense with some of your older posts here, until I discovered that you were just another typical Northern Fulani asslicker.
"Properties of the caliphate" indeed.

I tire o. Can you just imagine him using such demeaning language to refer to human beings as if they are slaves in this day and age. The same emirate that ilorin Yorubas once killed its emir and burned down his palace. The same Caliphate that Abacha, a Kanuri man, deposed its 'Sultan' at a point in time, and could have in fact abolished by fiat, since these traditional institutions are subject to the government. When will these people free themselves from such slavish mentality. Smh. The way some of these Northern tribes worship the Hausa-Fulani emirates defies logic. It's like they're worse than zombies. Straight-up bullshyt.

Nowenuse:


'Mr i know it all' LoL. Where did you see me mention Kabba division? I was talking about Kabba province which included Kabba division, Koton-karfe division, Igala & Egbira divisions.
Pls differentiate colonial provinces from colonial divisions.

What areas controlled by Oyo were ceded to the north? Offa or Kwara south? If yes, i think those places have to be on the influence of Ilorin.
I heard that Ilorin had great influence on the surrounding yoruba territories. I heard that some Kings from Kwara south used to be crowned in Ilorin (in the past, but am not so sure).
The British respected and adored the emirates so much and were eager to please them.

Ok, i thought you said Kabba division. Yoruba kings in Kwara don't answer to Ilorin emir. Whenever you put the claim that Yorubas were included in the North, they always say that they were influence by Ilorin. Are you tellimg me that places like Offa and Omu Aran that were ruled by Oyo when the British arrive answer to ilorin? Does that make sense at all.

AbakalikiPress:


I thought You were actually beginning to sound meaningful and make sense with some of your older posts here, until I discovered that you were just another typical Northern Fulani asslicker.
"Properties of the caliphate" indeed.

Oh, you'd rather i be a 'yoruba ass licker' right? Nope. I will give you the raw truth no matter how bitter it is.

I don't have the time to ass-lick any tribe (especially the big 3, yoruba, hausa & Igbo). Cos i have no business or affinity with any of them. They are all problems of Nigeria as long as am concerned.