ODVanguard:


I tire o. Can you just imagine him using such demeaning language to refer to human beings as if they are slaves in this day and age. The same emirate that ilorin Yorubas once killed its emir and burned down his palace. The same Caliphate that Abacha, a Kanuri man, deposed its 'Sultan' at a point in time, and could have in fact abolished by fiat, since these traditional institutions are subject to the government. When will these people free themselves from such slavish mentality. Smh. The way some of these Northern tribes worship the Hausa-Fulani emirates defies logic. It's like they're worse than zombies. Straight-up bullshyt.

I love yoruba keyboard online warriors so much. They make some things look so easy.
Someone once said that ''if war was by mouth, yorubas would have been a world super power''

I can't believe a yoruba calling a Plateau man like myself a Hausa-fulani worshipper. Please, go and check when last a Hausa-fulani presidential candidate won election in Plateau state. Are you guys not the ones romancing Hausa-fulanis politically in Nigeria?? Nonsense!
You yoruba muslims especially, make me sick! Hypocrites!

Talking about Abacha fucking the Sultan up, yeah, only northerners can Bleep each other up. If it was a yoruba or Igbo, you know the rest.......

A190:

I can conclude that you're an academic. At unilorin or kwasu

I'm a fresh graduate from KWASU.

9jakool:

Ok, i thought you said Kabba diviasion. Yoruba kings in Kwara don't answer to Ilorin emir. Whenever you put the claim that Yorubas were included in the North, they always say that they were influence by Ilorin. Are you tellimg me that places like Offa and Omu Aran that were ruled by Oyo when the British arrive answer to ilorin? Does that make sense at all.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that tribes like Idomas, Igalas, Ogori-magongo, Igedes, Tivs were classified as northerners to me, cos they don't see themselves as northerners and neither do northerners see them as northerners.
It also doesn't make sense that a lot of northern tribes who were never conquered by the emirates were classified under the rulership of the emirate.

A lot of things don't make sense in Nigeria, of course.

The deed has already been done and i don't think it really matters why it was done anymore. The questions we should be asking ourselves are ;

> Where were the yorubas when their people were annexed to the north? Edo peoples union as i heard fought for Auchi to be returned to the South and it was, in exchange for parts of Igala land that were previously under Onitsha.

> What are the yorubas doing today about it?? Romancing hausa-fulanis politically i guess.

Nowenuse:


I love yoruba keyboard online warriors so much. They make some things look so easy.
Someone once said that ''if war was by mouth, yorubas would have been a world super power''

I can't believe a yoruba calling a Plateau man like myself a Hausa-fulani worshipper. Please, go and check when last a Hausa-fulani presidential candidate won election in Plateau state. Are you guys not the ones romancing Hausa-fulanis politically in Nigeria?? Nonsense!
You yoruba muslims especially, make me sick! Hypocrites!

No guy, YOU are the hypocrite here. Be there dey talk crap when your state is a poster-boy for ethno-religious crisis (only bested by the Boko-Haram crisis in Borno). Even up till today, you guys are still having to contend with claims from the Hausas over ownership/'indigeneship' of Jos, a perennial tussle that has resulted in recurring and countless violent riots and ethno-religious crises that have claimed thousands of lives.

You talk about Yorubas being in political alliance with the Hausa-Fulanis (the first major alliance between both peoples since independence), while feigning ignorance of the fact that we're actually the only region best known for playing opposition politics against the mainly conservative Northern power block (whom you guys perpetually suck up to politically). Guy, no even go there at all coz na you be the confam hypocrite here.

Talking about Abacha fucking the Sultan up, yeah, only northerners can fuc.kk each other up. If it was a yoruba or Igbo, you know the rest.......

Dude, FYI, in 1895, the Yoruba rose against the then emir of ilorin, burnt his palace and killed him. But the revolt did not result in enthronement of a Yoruba king coz obviously their retention of the emirate is based on religious sentiments and nothing more -- that revolt would certainly have resulted in the enthronement of a Yoruba King if the motivation of the Yorubas that perpetrated that act was a desire for 'freedom' or 'emancipation' from emirate oppression and domination. In this case, Yorubas 'FUCCKED UP' an Emir, and what did your Northern masters do? NADA! The Sokoto Caliphate didn't DO SHYT in retaliation!

In 1913, when Lord Lugard administered the northern and southern Nigeria, Yorubas again spearheaded a riot over tax to bring the rulership of the then emir to ridicule. Again, the caliphate didn't do SHYT!

In 1936, the Yorubas of ilorin yet again ousted Emir Abdulkadir who was banished to Kaduna and it took the intervention of colonial administration to get him reinstated. Again in this case, the caliphate didn't do SHYT.

For all intents and purposes, the emirate is a mere traditional institution that exists only because ilorin Yorubas (not even the entire Kwara folks sef who are not under the traditional authority of the ilorin emir) still chose for it to remain, as the above history shows.

The SW Yorubas repelled the Fulanis advance toward Southern Yorubaland once and for all at Oshogbo (and ever since have been free from Fulani advance into our territory, unlike your state where you lots up till today are still finding it difficult to assert your authority over the ownership of jos), and were actually at a favourable position to forcefully take ilorin after the Oshogbo decimation of the Fulanis, but decided against it considering that the Yoruba muslims constituted the bulk of the ilorin army, and were content with the emirate. That is our history. Ilorin emirate traditional authority does not extend beyond ilorin coz virtually all the other major Yoruba towns in Kwara have Obas. #Fact. Hypocrite!

AbakalikiPress:


So where are you then from?

The damage has been done, so forget it.

ODVanguard:


No guy, YOU are the hypocrite here. Be there dey talk crap when your state is a poster-boy for ethno-religious crisis (only bested by the Boko-Haram crisis in Borno). Even up till today, you guys are still having to contend with claims from the Hausas over ownership/'indigeneship' of Jos, a perennial tussle that has resulted in recurring and countless violent riots and ethno-religious crises that have claimed thousands of lives.

You talk about Yorubas being in political alliance with the Hausa-Fulanis (the first major alliance between both peoples since independence), while feigning ignorance of the fact that we're actually the only region best known for playing opposition politics against the mainly conservative Northern power block (whom you guys perpetually suck up to politically). Guy, no even go there at all coz na you be the confam hypocrite here.



Dude, FYI, in 1895, the Yoruba rose against the then emir of ilorin, burnt his palace and killed him. But the revolt did not result in enthronement of a Yoruba king coz obviously their retention of the emirate is based on religious sentiments and nothing more -- that revolt would certainly have resulted in the enthronement of a Yoruba King if the motivation of the Yorubas that perpetrated that act was a desire for 'freedom' or 'emancipation' from emirate oppression and domination. In this case, Yorubas 'FUCCKED UP' an Emir, and what did your Northern masters do? NADA! The Sokoto Caliphate didn't DO SHYT in retaliation!

In 1913, when Lord Lugard administered the northern and southern Nigeria, Yorubas again spearheaded a riot over tax to bring the rulership of the then emir to ridicule. Again, the caliphate didn't do SHYT!

In 1936, the Yorubas of ilorin yet again ousted Emir Abdulkadir who was banished to Kaduna and it took the intervention of colonial administration to get him reinstated. Again in this case, the caliphate didn't do SHYT.

For all intents and purposes, the emirate is a mere traditional institution that exists only because ilorin Yorubas (not even the entire Kwara folks sef who are not under the traditional authority of the ilorin emir) still chose for it to remain, as the above history shows.

The SW Yorubas repelled the Fulanis advance toward Southern Yorubaland once and for all at Oshogbo (and ever since have been free from Fulani advance into our territory, unlike your state where you lots up till today are still finding it difficult to assert your authority over the ownership of jos), and were actually at a favourable position to forcefully take ilorin after the Oshogbo decimation of the Fulanis, but decided against it considering that the Yoruba muslims constituted the bulk of the ilorin army, and were content with the emirate. That is our history. Ilorin emirate traditional authority does not extend beyond ilorin coz virtually all the other major Yoruba towns in Kwara have Obas. #Fact. Hypocrite!

Hahahaha, since you were listing all the years where Ilorin yorubas bleeped the Emir up, i honestly thought i would see a time like 1965, 1977, 1983 or any post- independence period.
We all know that Hausa-fulanis/northerners got their greatest power after independence when the British handed over rulership to them and the grip was further strengthened post civil war.

Let the Ilorin yorubas or OPC try to fucck the Emir up again please, we are waiting for a post independence episode. So, until then.

Talking about Hausa-fulani fighting over Jos. Have they won it yet? Do they have an ordinary district head there? Yes, we made the mistake of accomodating them in the past just as we accomodated yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites who came en masse during the Tin mining, but rest assured, since we have known who they are. We have placed them where they belong. We no longer share the same neighbourhoods again and they can never acquire any lands again outside their present abodes. There are many other towns in Plateau states where Hausa-fulanis cannot pass on a vehicle, let alone stay. Go and ask how they are marginalized in their quarters.

Did i hear you talk about conflicts? Did Hausas not defeat yorubas in the Mile 2 crisis? What about the Shagamu crisis? They were battling with you guys on your own land which is very far from the north, while back in Kano they slaughtered every yoruba on sight and finished off everything yoruba in Kano. Your people are still in prison for the sake of fighting hausas in Ife (defending their own land). What have you done? We are minority groups who were misplaced by the colonial masters, but you are a majority group being bossed and tossed by your own fellow majority group, is that not a shame?
The Igbos seem to be the only ones who have the guts to challenge Hausa-fulanis without fear, they have once stood their ground in Kano and defeated the hausas on their own soil.

See, i don't want to go into listing instances the numerous times Hausa-fulanis have fuccked yorubas up. I leave that to the Igbo keyboard warriors, with whom you guys always have such debates.

But let me tell you something you don't know cos you talked about Jos crisis. Do you know that in any Jos crisis or any major religious crisis in Jos, Kaduna, Kano, Zaria. Yorubas loose the most?? Why is this so? This is because Yorubas are almost equally divided religiously and another reason i'd say they are cowards.

Igbos and Northern christians instantly take sides against Hausa-fulani muslims whenever crisis starts and Igbos are ready to die to protect their businesses, so we make a good team and chase away every muslim from christian-dominated areas.
Yoruba muslims on the other hand are regarded as fake muslims by Hausas, so, Hausas waste them like no tomorrow and they are usually caught up against both religious divides, to the extent that yoruba muslims will start running to christian areas, because they prefer their fate with christians than against Hausas. Now, by the time you add up yoruba muslim casualty in both Hausa muslim and Christian areas and yoruba christians in muslim areas. The figures are something else.

Nasarawa gwong area of Jos used to be heavily dominated by Yoruba muslims before 2008 crisis, but Hausas chased them all away. The yorubas could not defend themselves, if it was Igbos, such would never have happened. Now, i know you will say ''Jos is not yoruba land, so why should they defend it?''. See, Jos is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria cos during the Tin minning boom, many yoruba, Igbo, Hausa mine workers and their families were settled on ancestral lands in Jos by the British, so, these lands later ended up to be dominated by non-indigenes (most of whom never left Jos back to their homelands), this is why you find 3rd and even 4th generation yorubas, igbos, hausas, deltans in Jos. Now, igbos lost some of their areas during the civil war when they all left Jos and this was how hausas expanded their own areas more.

No need for me to explain further. Well, if you haven't travel to northern cities, do so and get the shock of your life with the yoruba population you find there.

Look at this link below where your own yoruba leader in Jos confirmed about 156 yorubas that died in the 2010 Jos crisis. Another link i saw somewhere estimated about 400 yorubas to have died in the 2008 crisis.

https://www.nairaland.com/405771/yoruba-lost-156-lives-property

Nowenuse:


Hahahaha, since you were listing all the years where Ilorin yorubas bleeped the Emir up, i honestly thought i would see a time like 1965, 1977, 1983 or any post- independence period.
We all know that Hausa-fulanis/northerners got their greatest power after independence when the British handed over rulership to them and the grip was further strengthened post civil war.

Let the Ilorin yorubas or OPC try to fucck the Emir up again please, we are waiting for a post independence episode. So, until then.

Talking about Hausa-fulani fighting over Jos. Have they won it yet? Do they have an ordinary district head there? Yes, we made the mistake of accomodating them in the past just as we accomodated yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites who came en masse during the Tin mining, but rest assured, since we have known who they are. We have placed them where they belong. We no longer share the same neighbourhoods again and they can never acquire any lands again outside their present abodes. There are many other towns in Plateau states where Hausa-fulanis cannot pass on a vehicle, let alone stay. Go and ask how they are marginalized in their quarters.

Did i hear you talk about conflicts? Did Hausas not defeat yorubas in the Mile 2 crisis? What about the Shagamu crisis? They were battling with you guys on your own land which is very far from the north, while back in Kano they slaughtered every yoruba on sight and finished off everything yoruba in Kano. Your people are still in prison for the sake of fighting hausas in Ife (defending their own land). What have you done? We are minority groups who were misplaced by the colonial masters, but you are a majority group being bossed and tossed by your own fellow majority group, is that not a shame?
The Igbos seem to be the only ones who have the guts to challenge Hausa-fulanis without fear, they have once stood their ground in Kano and defeated the hausas on their own soil.

See, i don't want to go into listing instances the numerous times Hausa-fulanis have fuccked yorubas up. I leave that to the Igbo keyboard warriors, with whom you guys always have such debates.

But let me tell you something you don't know cos you talked about Jos crisis. Do you know that in any Jos crisis or any major religious crisis in Jos, Kaduna, Kano, Zaria. Yorubas loose the most?? Why is this so? This is because Yorubas are almost equally divided religiously and another reason i'd say they are cowards.

Igbos and Northern christians instantly take sides against Hausa-fulani muslims whenever crisis starts and Igbos are ready to die to protect their businesses, so we make a good team and chase away every muslim from christian-dominated areas.
Yoruba muslims on the other hand are regarded as fake muslims by Hausas, so, Hausas waste them like no tomorrow and they are usually caught up against both religious divides, to the extent that yoruba muslims will start running to christian areas, because they prefer their fate with christians than against Hausas. Now, by the time you add up yoruba muslim casualty in both Hausa muslim and Christian areas and yoruba christians in muslim areas. The figures are something else.

Nasarawa gwong area of Jos used to be heavily dominated by Yoruba muslims before 2008 crisis, but Hausas chased them all away. The yorubas could not defend themselves, if it was Igbos, such would never have happened. Now, i know you will say ''Jos is not yoruba land, so why should they defend it?''. See, Jos is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria cos during the Tin minning boom, many yoruba, Igbo, Hausa mine workers and their families were settled on ancestral lands in Jos by the British, so, these lands later ended up to be dominated by non-indigenes (most of whom never left Jos back to their homelands), this is why you find 3rd and even 4th generation yorubas, igbos, hausas, deltans in Jos. Now, igbos lost some of their areas during the civil war when they all left Jos and this was how hausas expanded their own areas more.

No need for me to explain further. Well, if you haven't travel to northern cities, do so and get the shock of your life with the yoruba population you find there.

Look at this link below where your own yoruba leader in Jos confirmed about 156 yorubas that died in the 2010 Jos crisis. Another link i saw somewhere estimated about 400 yorubas to have died in the 2008 crisis.

https://www.nairaland.com/405771/yoruba-lost-156-lives-property

Interesting how you forgot about Hausa being defeated in ife
And how Hausa ran away from Mile 2
Meanwhile 60% of your state is almost dead
Yoruba Muslims are not 2nd class Muslims
And 2002 an attempt was made to take ilorin back but Saraki stopped it

You also forgot about defeat in oyo state in 2003

I understand Taraba has defeated Fulani
What have your people done to defeat Fulani ?

Nowenuse:


Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense that tribes like Idomas, Igalas, Ogori-magongo, Igedes, Tivs were classified as northerners to me, cos they don't see themselves as northerners and neither do northerners see them as northerners.
It also doesn't make sense that a lot of northern tribes who were never conquered by the emirates were classified under the rulership of the emirate.

A lot of things don't make sense in Nigeria, of course.

The deed has already been done and i don't think it really matters why it was done anymore. The questions we should be asking ourselves are ;

> Where were the yorubas when their people were annexed to the north? Edo peoples union as i heard fought for Auchi to be returned to the South and it was, in exchange for parts of Igala land that were previously under Onitsha.

>What are the yorubas doing today about it?? Romancing hausa-fulanis politically i guess.

For the first bolded, I can't say I honestly know much about that particular topic from the late 19th century to the early 20th century. I can however say that Pan-Yoruba in 1890-1910 was not like today. Yorubas considered themselves as different entities for a long time.

Also, the Yoruba sphere crosses political boundaries. There is not really a huge contrast traveling from Offa to Osogbo, because the language and culture is the same. Even though Hausa has become a second language in the North for many ethnicities, the Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi despite being technical minority in the North remain one of the few exceptions that don't use Hausa as a second language because of the close attachment to other Yorubas. Even Ilorin that got emir still speaks Yoruba, the Nupes and Baribas living in Yoruba domain in Kwara also use Yoruba as a second language. Culturally and ethnically, the attachment between the Yorubas in NC and SW is stronger than you may think. The problem comes with politics.

The reason why the agitation for Okun state is louder now as opposed to before, is because politically the Okun felt distanced from the Yorubas after the creation of Kogi state in 1991 which politically alienated Okunland from the larger Yoruba in old Kwara state. This Okun state agitation now expands into two goals to not only have a state, but to be merged where they've always felt they belong.

Also, you come off as a hypocrite in the second bolded statement. You do realize what the title of this thread says. It's like you blame Yorubas for supposedly not fighting against the Northern demarcation and at the same time when they actually do, you shut them down and claim they belong to the North.

Oh, you'd rather i be a 'yoruba ass licker' right? Nope. I will give you the raw truth no matter how bitter it is.

I don't have the time to ass-lick any tribe (especially the big 3, yoruba, hausa & Igbo). Cos i have no business or affinity with any of them. They are all problems of Nigeria as long as am concerned.

You are playing two sides honestly. You don't have to lick Yoruba nyash; No Yoruba asked for it. From the ways I have dealt with you in the past, I've noticed you are always an antagonist on Yoruba matters from the beginning, even going as far as claiming that you have met many Yorubas who don't like being called Yoruba.

Your actions are very bipolar. As a very small minority, you hate to be dominated by the Hausas, at the same time you have to cling to a larger political entity/umbrella in order to be recognized and you will defend any threat to that entity even if you dislike the association.

Political boundaries in Nigeria change all the time because they are a work in progress. The last one happened about 26 years ago. If Okuns decide to be a part of Kogi state yesterday and decide today that they can stand for themselves, who are you, an outsider from Plateau to say that they can't.

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Markfemi2:


Interesting how you forgot about Hausa being defeated in ife
And how Hausa ran away from Mile 2
Meanwhile 60% of your state is almost dead
Yoruba Muslims are not 2nd class Muslims
And 2002 an attempt was made to take ilorin back but Saraki stopped it

You also forgot about defeat in oyo state in 2003

I understand Taraba has defeated Fulani
What have your people done to defeat Fulani ?

Can you pls explain what you mean by 60% of my state is dead?

Fulanis are the 2nd or 3rd largest tribe in Taraba state. So, they have lots of villages, towns, communities and even dominate LGAs there, unlike in Plateau state where they live nomadic lifestyles like in the south. So, Taraba tribes know where to find the fulanis easily to treat their fvck up.
Besides, as i said, there are many towns and even entire LGAs in Plateau state that you cannot build a mosque, even you as a yoruba muslim cannot stay let alone Hausas, infact i cannot guarantee you safe passage travelling across those places as a muslim.

Why won't Saraki stop it? Is he not a fulani descendant? The most influential families and people from Ilorin are of fulani descent. They and the other Hausa-asslicking yoruba muslim fanatics of Ilorin will always be there to secure the status quo.
Please you guys should stop sitting under your rusty brown roofs in Ibadan, Ogbomosho & Osogbo talking about Ilorin, go there and see the reality on ground. Most yoruba muslim indigenes there are very loyal and eager to do the bidding of the Sokoto caliphate. If they were here, they would instantly deny you guys.

9jakool:


For the first bolded, I can't say I honestly know much about that particular topic from the late 19th century to the early 20th century. I can however say that Pan-Yoruba in 1890-1910 was not like today. Yorubas considered themselves as different entities for a long time.

Also, the Yoruba sphere crosses political boundaries. There is not really a huge contrast traveling from Offa to Osogbo, because the language and culture is the same. Even though Hausa has become a second language in the North for many ethnicities, the Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi despite being technical minority in the North remain one of the few exceptions that don't use Hausa as a second language because of the close attachment to other Yorubas. Even Ilorin that got emir still speaks Yoruba, the Nupes and Baribas living in Yoruba domain in Kwara also use Yoruba as a second language. Culturally and ethnically, the attachment between the Yorubas in NC and SW is stronger than you may think. The problem comes with politics.

Nice try, but here is where you flopped, Tivs (the largest middlebelt group), Idomas, Igedes, Igalas, Ibiras, Ogori magongo, many Nupes, Bussas, Bassas e.t.c do not speak any Hausa at all.

Hausa was only promoted and it worked among other northern tribes because of their smallers sizes, indirect rule, pre-colonial decades of trade with the emirates and most importantly through Evangelism. The British mandated the Sudan missionaries who evangelized most northern christian tribes (outside Kogi-Benue-Kwara axis) to use Hausa bibles and materials as the medium for evangelism as opposed to Angas language which the missionaries wanted to use (now, this would have made Angas the lingua franca of Plateau, Southern kaduna, Nasarawa, parts of Bauchi and perhaps Taraba e.t.c).

Ilorin or any NC yorubas are not special in not speaking Hausa.......Hausa language did not penetrate Nupe land either (even though they have 4 emirates) and all hausa-fulanis living in Bida, Kutigi, Lapai, Doko, Lafiagi and other Nupe towns must learn Nupe to survive.

The reason why the agitation for Okun state is louder now as opposed to before, is because politically the Okun felt distanced from the Yorubas after the creation of Kogi state in 1991 which politically alienated Okunland from the larger Yoruba in old Kwara state. This Okun state agitation now expands into two goals to not only have a state, but to be merged where they've always felt they belong.

Yeah i know this. The Okuns enjoyed and preferred their days in Kwara state where the Yoruba speakers were a majority and i bet you, had the Okuns still been in Kwara, i highly doubt any agitation to join the South-west would have surfaced.
Well, the Okuns are not alone here, surprisingly, most Ebiras also preferred old Kwara state. They produced the first civilian governor of Kwara state afterall and they also blend with yorubas more than Igalas.

Also, you come off as a hypocrite in the second bolded statement. You do realize what the title of this thread says. It's like you blame Yorubas for supposedly not fighting against the Northern demarcation and at the same time when they actually do, you shut them down and claim they belong to the North.

Hahahaha, well, i'd say i do that cos i want them to ginger more, cos as a majority group, they are too slavish for my liking. And also, yoruba muslims disgust me so much. Gosh
Honestly, you and i even know that most north-central groups themselves do not even want the name 'north' anymore.

You are playing two sides honestly. You don't have to lick Yoruba nyash; No Yoruba asked for it. From the ways I have dealt with you in the past, I've noticed you are always an antagonist on Yoruba matters from the beginning, even going as far as claiming that you have met many Yorubas who don't like being called Yoruba.

Jesus christ, have you been to Ilorin at all? Have you met with true Ilorin muslim indigenes (especially the descendants of royal lineages)? How many of them proudly proclaim yoruba identity and flaunt yoruba culture?
See, i also belong to many large middlebelt and NC groups & foras and even an admin at some and i meet with so many numerous people from these areas daily. What would i gain from denying my experience?

Your actions are very bipolar. As a very small minority, you hate to be dominated by the Hausas, at the same time you have to cling to a larger political entity/umbrella in order to be recognized and you will defend any threat to that entity even if you dislike the association.

Political boundaries in Nigeria change all the time because they are a work in progress. The last one happened about 26 years ago. If Okuns decide to be a part of Kogi state yesterday and decide today that they can stand for themselves, who are you, an outsider from Plateau to say that they can't.

You can check all my past threads and posts and count how many times i have taken sides with core-northerners and defended them compared to Southerners. You see me supporting yoruba and Igbos against Hausas today and tomorrow you see vice versa. This is because i am only interested in the truth. I have nothing to gain supporting any majority tribe.

And which stupid larger identity are you talking off? How many times do you see any Plateau people taking pride in Arewa identity or unity? Only some of our foolish elders still do that nonsense (well i can't blame them much, cos they were born in the days of 'One arewa' and grew up getting used to such. We the youths are only interested in 'middlebelt identity'. Very soon the world will start hearing from us just like IPOB.

The problem with you majority group is that you always tag anyone who doesn't take your sides as 'anti-your tribe', even when they may be giving you the bitter truth.

There are things i like and hate at the same time about Yorubas, Igbos & Hausas and be sure to see me defending and antagonizing them in different places.

Lastly, Kogi state is part of North-central (my geo-political zone). So i think i have more rights than you (a South-westerner) on Kogi affairs crucify me whenever you see me arguing in an 'Ife-Modakeke' thread.

Nowenuse:


Hahahaha, since you were listing all the years where Ilorin yorubas bleeped the Emir up, i honestly thought i would see a time like 1965, 1977, 1983 or any post- independence period.
We all know that Hausa-fulanis/northerners got their greatest power after independence when the British handed over rulership to them and the grip was further strengthened post civil war.

Let the Ilorin yorubas or OPC try to fucck the Emir up again please, we are waiting for a post independence episode. So, until then.

Talking about Hausa-fulani fighting over Jos. Have they won it yet? Do they have an ordinary district head there? Yes, we made the mistake of accomodating them in the past just as we accomodated yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites who came en masse during the Tin mining, but rest assured, since we have known who they are. We have placed them where they belong. We no longer share the same neighbourhoods again and they can never acquire any lands again outside their present abodes. There are many other towns in Plateau states where Hausa-fulanis cannot pass on a vehicle, let alone stay. Go and ask how they are marginalized in their quarters.

Did i hear you talk about conflicts? Did Hausas not defeat yorubas in the Mile 2 crisis? What about the Shagamu crisis? They were battling with you guys on your own land which is very far from the north, while back in Kano they slaughtered every yoruba on sight and finished off everything yoruba in Kano. Your people are still in prison for the sake of fighting hausas in Ife (defending their own land). What have you done? We are minority groups who were misplaced by the colonial masters, but you are a majority group being bossed and tossed by your own fellow majority group, is that not a shame?
The Igbos seem to be the only ones who have the guts to challenge Hausa-fulanis without fear, they have once stood their ground in Kano and defeated the hausas on their own soil.

See, i don't want to go into listing instances the numerous times Hausa-fulanis have fuccked yorubas up. I leave that to the Igbo keyboard warriors, with whom you guys always have such debates.

But let me tell you something you don't know cos you talked about Jos crisis. Do you know that in any Jos crisis or any major religious crisis in Jos, Kaduna, Kano, Zaria. Yorubas loose the most?? Why is this so? This is because Yorubas are almost equally divided religiously and another reason i'd say they are cowards.

Igbos and Northern christians instantly take sides against Hausa-fulani muslims whenever crisis starts and Igbos are ready to die to protect their businesses, so we make a good team and chase away every muslim from christian-dominated areas.
Yoruba muslims on the other hand are regarded as fake muslims by Hausas, so, Hausas waste them like no tomorrow and they are usually caught up against both religious divides, to the extent that yoruba muslims will start running to christian areas, because they prefer their fate with christians than against Hausas. Now, by the time you add up yoruba muslim casualty in both Hausa muslim and Christian areas and yoruba christians in muslim areas. The figures are something else.

Nasarawa gwong area of Jos used to be heavily dominated by Yoruba muslims before 2008 crisis, but Hausas chased them all away. The yorubas could not defend themselves, if it was Igbos, such would never have happened. Now, i know you will say ''Jos is not yoruba land, so why should they defend it?''. See, Jos is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria cos during the Tin minning boom, many yoruba, Igbo, Hausa mine workers and their families were settled on ancestral lands in Jos by the British, so, these lands later ended up to be dominated by non-indigenes (most of whom never left Jos back to their homelands), this is why you find 3rd and even 4th generation yorubas, igbos, hausas, deltans in Jos. Now, igbos lost some of their areas during the civil war when they all left Jos and this was how hausas expanded their own areas more.

No need for me to explain further. Well, if you haven't travel to northern cities, do so and get the shock of your life with the yoruba population you find there.

Look at this link below where your own yoruba leader in Jos confirmed about 156 yorubas that died in the 2010 Jos crisis. Another link i saw somewhere estimated about 400 yorubas to have died in the 2008 crisis.

https://www.nairaland.com/405771/yoruba-lost-156-lives-property

I was a yoruba Muslim ( albeit a closet atheist now), you absolutely spot on some of the issues you raised above.
The problem is not that yoruba are caword but yoruba are liberal and peace loving people, majority of the yoruba in the north are only interested in how to make a meaningful living and as a result are caught un aware when their is a violence.

The truth is hausa-fulani use religion as a political tool to control others, this is one of the reasons why I have to do a more thorough research and analysis of the religion. Islam is a political tool used by the founder to plunder and steal things that doesn't belong to him, the hausa and fulani also use this method to plunder and steal what doesn't belongs to them.

I was born in the North, I grew up in the north and I have a great respect for northern minority in places like plateau, Kaduna, taraba, bauchi etc. These people are peace loving people, they receive a great deal of immigrants from yoruba, hausa and igbo but only the husas fight over things that don't belong to them.
The hausa-fulani through the help of the military dictator has established themselves in areas that doesn't belong to them, they abuse the indigenous, fight to grab land etc.

Most yoruba Muslim don't hass lick hausa-fulani in the north but we have some minority that does that but after the kano riot of 2001 many of these yoruba no better. If there is a problem in the North, I will rather side with a northern minority Christian than an hausa fulani.

Hausa fulani also kill minority like gwari Muslim, Igala Muslim, egbira Muslim etc if their is religious violence

Nowenuse:
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Hahahaha, since you were listing all the years where Ilorin yorubas bleeped the Emir up, i honestly thought i would see a time like 1965, 1977, 1983 or any post- independence period.
We all know that Hausa-fulanis/northerners got their greatest power after independence when the British handed over rulership to them and the grip was further strengthened post civil war.

Let the Ilorin yorubas or OPC try to fucck the Emir up again please, we are waiting for a post independence episode. So, until then.

Talking about Hausa-fulani fighting over Jos. Have they won it yet? Do they have an ordinary district head there? Yes, we made the mistake of accomodating them in the past just as we accomodated yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites who came en masse during the Tin mining, but rest assured, since we have known who they are. We have placed them where they belong. We no longer share the same neighbourhoods again and they can never acquire any lands again outside their present abodes. There are many other towns in Plateau states where Hausa-fulanis cannot pass on a vehicle, let alone stay. Go and ask how they are marginalized in their quarters.

Did i hear you talk about conflicts? Did Hausas not defeat yorubas in the Mile 2 crisis? What about the Shagamu crisis? They were battling with you guys on your own land which is very far from the north, while back in Kano they slaughtered every yoruba on sight and finished off everything yoruba in Kano. Your people are still in prison for the sake of fighting hausas in Ife (defending their own land). What have you done? We are minority groups who were misplaced by the colonial masters, but you are a majority group being bossed and tossed by your own fellow majority group, is that not a shame?
The Igbos seem to be the only ones who have the guts to challenge Hausa-fulanis without fear, they have once stood their ground in Kano and defeated the hausas on their own soil.

See, i don't want to go into listing instances the numerous times Hausa-fulanis have fuccked yorubas up. I leave that to the Igbo keyboard warriors, with whom you guys always have such debates.

But let me tell you something you don't know cos you talked about Jos crisis. Do you know that in any Jos crisis or any major religious crisis in Jos, Kaduna, Kano, Zaria. Yorubas loose the most?? Why is this so? This is because Yorubas are almost equally divided religiously and another reason i'd say they are cowards.

Igbos and Northern christians instantly take sides against Hausa-fulani muslims whenever crisis starts and Igbos are ready to die to protect their businesses, so we make a good team and chase away every muslim from christian-dominated areas.
Yoruba muslims on the other hand are regarded as fake muslims by Hausas, so, Hausas waste them like no tomorrow and they are usually caught up against both religious divides, to the extent that yoruba muslims will start running to christian areas, because they prefer their fate with christians than against Hausas. Now, by the time you add up yoruba muslim casualty in both Hausa muslim and Christian areas and yoruba christians in muslim areas. The figures are something else.

Nasarawa gwong area of Jos used to be heavily dominated by Yoruba muslims before 2008 crisis, but Hausas chased them all away. The yorubas could not defend themselves, if it was Igbos, such would never have happened. Now, i know you will say ''Jos is not yoruba land, so why should they defend it?''. See, Jos is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria cos during the Tin minning boom, many yoruba, Igbo, Hausa mine workers and their families were settled on ancestral lands in Jos by the British, so, these lands later ended up to be dominated by non-indigenes (most of whom never left Jos back to their homelands), this is why you find 3rd and even 4th generation yorubas, igbos, hausas, deltans in Jos. Now, igbos lost some of their areas during the civil war when they all left Jos and this was how hausas expanded their own areas more.

No need for me to explain further. Well, if you haven't travel to northern cities, do so and get the shock of your life with the yoruba population you find there.

Look at this link below where your own yoruba leader in Jos confirmed about 156 yorubas that died in the 2010 Jos crisis. Another link i saw somewhere estimated about 400 yorubas to have died in the 2008 crisis.

https://www.nairaland.com/405771/yoruba-lost-156-lives-property[/s]

You just demonstrated by this incoherent post that you are nothing but a coward. Now you have shifted goal post from saying that Yorubas [and igbos] don't have the guts to 'Bleep.k up' Hausa-Fulanis, to some crap about daring us to try it today. Like seriously? Boy, your fcvkedup mind needs serious help.

You initially lumped both Yorubas and igbos together in your earlier attack, then in your latest post you separated them in a mischievous attempt to form empty solidarity by making igbos appear as your allies during recurring ethno-religious crises you admitted your own people have pretty much lost control of. You aren't even ashamed to imply that you need Southerners to assist you in fighting your Hausa-Fulani masters, when you should be the ones guaranteeing their safety on your own turf. Why should Yorubas or igbos have to fight with you against your masters in what's supposed to be your own sphere of influence?

Truth is that you Northern minorities (including Yorubas that fall under that category) are a big part of the problem of Nigeria coz politically you have always suckedup to the core North and played willing partners to their hegemonic ambitions against the entire country, particularly against the South. You lots obviously can't make up your mind as to whether you want to be free from their shackles once and for all or not. To highlight this point, your leaders still consider themselves Northerners and still take part in Northern Elders Forum meetings to this day.

What happened at Mile12 was an aberration that was aided by complicit security personnel and you best believe that it won't repeat itself again because the Yorubas who overwhelmingly outnumber the Hausas in that area are better aware today; they were caught off-guard by the spontaneity of that incident the last time.

But make mistake no about it, what happened at Enugu on more than one occasion where armed Fulani herdsmen invaded 7 villages, wantonly killing people, burning properties including a church, can NEVER happen in SW Yorubaland -- ironically the brave igbos that were busy defending themselves and fighting for your people couldn't defend themselves against gun-toting Fulani herdsmen even after receiving advanced warning of the attack.

The shagamu crisis you alluded to was a one-sided (though unfortunate) bloodbath that claimed more Hausa lives than Yoruba so you didn't have to lie or spin it, afterall accounts of the incident are still online. The Ife incident on the other hand actually defeats your jaundiced narrative coz in that case it was again a one-sided affair.

Sometime in year 2000, Yoruba farmers killed close to a hundred troublesome Fulani herdsmen at Saki, Oyo state and even in spite of Buhari and Marwa's protestations to the then state governor, heaven did not fall.

Now, throughout these clashes related above, Yorubas never tried to beg other ethnicities to fight alongside them as is the case with you, trying to guilt-trip other ethnicities for not helping you fight Hausa-Fulanis on your own turf.

So as you can see, the Hausa-Fulani population in the SW is too insignificant to pose any serious threat to our collective security coz when it really gets down to it they are overwhelmingly outnumbered and don't even stand a chance against us.

It's obvious that you and your fellow Northern minorities view yourselves as hopeless and perpetual slaves of the core North, but you don't have to deride tribes like the Okuns who are brave enough to vocally express their desire to be free from such servitude the way you are shamelessly doing here when you attack their legitimate aspirations.

They say misery loves company, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to see the Okuns leave that sad and unfortunate Hausa-Fulani estate that is the North Central geopolitical zone. And since I can see through your antics, I won't even bother responding to your mentions from hereon.

Nowenuse:


Can you pls explain what you mean by 60% of my state is dead?

Fulanis are the 2nd or 3rd largest tribe in Taraba state. So, they have lots of villages, towns, communities and even dominate LGAs there, unlike in Plateau state where they live nomadic lifestyles like in the south. So, Taraba tribes know where to find the fulanis easily to treat their fvck up.
Besides, as i said, there are many towns and even entire LGAs in Plateau state that you cannot build a mosque, even you as a yoruba muslim cannot stay let alone Hausas, infact i cannot guarantee you safe passage travelling across those places as a muslim.

Why won't Saraki stop it? Is he not a fulani descendant? The most influential families and people from Ilorin are of fulani descent. They and the other Hausa-asslicking yoruba muslim fanatics of Ilorin will always be there to secure the status quo.
Please you guys should stop sitting under your rusty brown roofs in Ibadan, Ogbomosho & Osogbo talking about Ilorin, go there and see the reality on ground. Most yoruba muslim indigenes there are very loyal and eager to do the bidding of the Sokoto caliphate. If they were here, they would instantly deny you guys.

Hahaha. I don't like doing this but your ill manner attitude about Ilorin tempt me. Guy stop deluding yourself about Ilorin, I know your knowledge about Ilorin is limited to nairaland. And on Hausa or Fulani not being able to move in some places in Jos is the same way you dare not move in Hausa or Fulani area, your city center inclusive.
Countless of your local chiefs were butchered and 95% of your entire state turned to war zone what have you done about it rather than surrounding your ancestral land to the Hausa and Fulanis? even though I am against Hausa and Fulani actions on this.
And you failed to mention that the little pseudo-peace you enjoy in Jos today is do to your state governor and people surrendering your ancestral lands to Hausa and Fulani people and you dare not visit those area. And on Saraki having a Fulani ancestry is one of the lies turned truth after being repeated over and over again. I am 99% sure you have never been to Ilorin before, face your war torn Jos and Plateau in general Ilorin is not under contention rather Plateau is.

ODVanguard:


You just demonstrated by this incoherent post that you are nothing but a coward. Now you have shifted goal post from saying that Yorubas [and igbos] not having the guts to 'Bleep.k up' Hausa-Fulanis to some crap about daring us to try it today. Like seriously? Boy, your fcvkedup up mind needs serious help.

You initially lumped both Yorubas and igbos together in your earlier attack, then in your latest post you separated them in a mischievous attempt to form empty solidarity by making igbos appear as your allies during recurring ethno-religious crises you admitted your own people have pretty much lost control of. You aren't even ashamed to imply that you need Southerners to assist you in fighting your Hausa-Fulani masters, when you should be the ones guaranteeing their safety on your own turf. Why should Yorubas or igbos have to fight with you against your masters in what's supposed to be your own sphere of influence?

Truth is that you Northern minorities (including Yorubas that fall under that category) are a big part of the problem of Nigeria coz politically you have always suckedup to the core North and played willing partners to their hegemonic ambitions against the entire country, particularly against the South. You lots obviously can't make up your mind as to whether you want to be free from their shackles once and for all or not. To highlight this point, your leaders still consider themselves Northerners and still take part in Northern Elders Forum meetings to this day.

What happened at Mile12 was an aberration that was aided by complicit security personnel and you best believe that it won't repeat itself again because the Yorubas who overwhelmingly outnumber the Hausas in that area are better aware today; they were caught unawares by the sponteneity of that incident the last time.

But make mistake no about it, what happened at Enugu on more than one occasion where armed Fulani herdsmen invaded 7 villages, wantonly killing people, burning properties including a church, can NEVER happen in SW Yorubaland -- ironically the brave igbos that were busy defending themselves and fighting for your people couldn't defend themselves against gun-toting Fulani herdsmen even after receiving advanced warning of the attack.

The shagamu crisis you alluded to was a one-sided (though unfortunate) bloodbath that claimed more Hausa lives than Yoruba so you didn't have to lie or spin it, afterall accounts of the incident are still online. The Ife on the other hand actually defeats your jaundiced narrative coz in that case it was again a one-sided affair.

Sometime in year 2000, Yoruba farmers killed close to a hundred troublesome Fulani herdsmen at Saki, Oyo state and even in spite of Buhari and Marwa's protestations to the then state governor, heaven did not fall.

Now, throughout these clashes related above, Yorubas never tried to beg other ethnicities to fight alongside them as is the case with you, trying to guilt-trip other ethnicities for not helping you fight Hausa-Fulanis on your own turf.

So as you can see, the Hausa-Fulani population in the SW is too insignificant to pose any serious threat to our collective security coz when it really gets down to it they are overwhelmingly outnumbered and don't even stand a chance against us.

It's obvious that you and your fellow Northern minorities view yourselves as hopeless and perpetual slaves of the core North, but you don't have to deride tribes like the Okuns who are brave enough to vocally express their desire to be free from such servitude the way you are shamelessly doing here when you attack their legitimate aspirations.

They say misery loves company, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to see the Okuns leave that sad and unfortunate Hausa-Fulani estate that is the North Central geopolitical zone. And since I can see through your antics, I won't even bother responding to your mentions from hereon.

I do underestimate his stupidity at first.

He is a confirmed cynic. Saying Yoruba Muslims or Ilorin Muslims are loyal to Sokoto caliphate says much about him being a dumbhead. His entire state is a war zone, many places in war torn Borno are 100% safer than his failed state.

Nowenuse:


Hahahaha, since you were listing all the years where Ilorin yorubas bleeped the Emir up, i honestly thought i would see a time like 1965, 1977, 1983 or any post- independence period.
We all know that Hausa-fulanis/northerners got their greatest power after independence when the British handed over rulership to them and the grip was further strengthened post civil war.

Let the Ilorin yorubas or OPC try to fucck the Emir up again please, we are waiting for a post independence episode. So, until then.

Talking about Hausa-fulani fighting over Jos. Have they won it yet? Do they have an ordinary district head there? Yes, we made the mistake of accomodating them in the past just as we accomodated yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites who came en masse during the Tin mining, but rest assured, since we have known who they are. We have placed them where they belong. We no longer share the same neighbourhoods again and they can never acquire any lands again outside their present abodes. There are many other towns in Plateau states where Hausa-fulanis cannot pass on a vehicle, let alone stay. Go and ask how they are marginalized in their quarters.

Did i hear you talk about conflicts? Did Hausas not defeat yorubas in the Mile 2 crisis? What about the Shagamu crisis? They were battling with you guys on your own land which is very far from the north, while back in Kano they slaughtered every yoruba on sight and finished off everything yoruba in Kano. Your people are still in prison for the sake of fighting hausas in Ife (defending their own land). What have you done? We are minority groups who were misplaced by the colonial masters, but you are a majority group being bossed and tossed by your own fellow majority group, is that not a shame?
The Igbos seem to be the only ones who have the guts to challenge Hausa-fulanis without fear, they have once stood their ground in Kano and defeated the hausas on their own soil.

See, i don't want to go into listing instances the numerous times Hausa-fulanis have fuccked yorubas up. I leave that to the Igbo keyboard warriors, with whom you guys always have such debates.

But let me tell you something you don't know cos you talked about Jos crisis. Do you know that in any Jos crisis or any major religious crisis in Jos, Kaduna, Kano, Zaria. Yorubas loose the most?? Why is this so? This is because Yorubas are almost equally divided religiously and another reason i'd say they are cowards.

Igbos and Northern christians instantly take sides against Hausa-fulani muslims whenever crisis starts and Igbos are ready to die to protect their businesses, so we make a good team and chase away every muslim from christian-dominated areas.
Yoruba muslims on the other hand are regarded as fake muslims by Hausas, so, Hausas waste them like no tomorrow and they are usually caught up against both religious divides, to the extent that yoruba muslims will start running to christian areas, because they prefer their fate with christians than against Hausas. Now, by the time you add up yoruba muslim casualty in both Hausa muslim and Christian areas and yoruba christians in muslim areas. The figures are something else.

Nasarawa gwong area of Jos used to be heavily dominated by Yoruba muslims before 2008 crisis, but Hausas chased them all away. The yorubas could not defend themselves, if it was Igbos, such would never have happened. Now, i know you will say ''Jos is not yoruba land, so why should they defend it?''. See, Jos is one of the most cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria cos during the Tin minning boom, many yoruba, Igbo, Hausa mine workers and their families were settled on ancestral lands in Jos by the British, so, these lands later ended up to be dominated by non-indigenes (most of whom never left Jos back to their homelands), this is why you find 3rd and even 4th generation yorubas, igbos, hausas, deltans in Jos. Now, igbos lost some of their areas during the civil war when they all left Jos and this was how hausas expanded their own areas more.

No need for me to explain further. Well, if you haven't travel to northern cities, do so and get the shock of your life with the yoruba population you find there.

Look at this link below where your own yoruba leader in Jos confirmed about 156 yorubas that died in the 2010 Jos crisis. Another link i saw somewhere estimated about 400 yorubas to have died in the 2008 crisis.

https://www.nairaland.com/405771/yoruba-lost-156-lives-property

Guy, at first i was deceived by your claims of objectivity not until you said hausas were battling yorubas in shagamu, lol, shagamu of all places. ... It was a one sided fight, many of the Northerners were murdered.. When the whole country was crying and lamenting about fulani herdsmen, my Ile-ife brothers massacred hausa-fulanis in Ile-ife.... And don't think people from Plateau state are not exempted from this killings, an average yoruba man see you guys as hausa-fulani as long as you can speak hausa.


And nobody is in prison for the Ile-ife crisis, the case is now in Oshogbo

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/ife-hausa-yoruba-clash-court-grants-oba-ademiluyi-others-n5m-bail/

Deedeedee3:
We dont want restructuring anymore but total disintgration. The okuns and Yorubas in Kwara state will have a referendum if they want to live with the north or join us in Oodua republic. It is their choice. Some might agree while some might not. There are so many injustices in Nigeria.
Oodua a gbe wa ooo!

No let me swear for u ooo.
I be kwara oo i am full blooded yoruba .
Which one is referendum? ? We are oodua. My lineage can be traced to oodua .
I am from ekiti Local government.
All kwara south are yoruba.

Ilorin are yorubas they will go with yoruba
The only official language in ilorin apart from English is yoruba.

I remember when they brought bukola saraki for governor then people were concern that he cant speak yoruba so they wont vote for him

But he mounted the stage n speak to the crowd in in yoruba dowsing everybody tension .

That was a proud moment in Ilorin that day. People voted for him based on that.
So where will ilorin go ? Never they will stay with yoruba.

koladebrainiac:


No let me swear for u ooo.
I be kwara oo i am full blooded yoruba .
Which one is referendum? ? We are oodua. My lineage can be traced to oodua .
I am from ekiti Local government.
All kwara south are yoruba.

Ilorin are yorubas they will go with yoruba
The only official language in ilorin apart from English is yoruba.

I remember when they brought bukola saraki for governor then people were concern that he cant speak yoruba so they wont vote for him

But he mounted the stage n speak to the crowd in in yoruba dowsing everybody tension .

That was a proud moment in Ilorin that day. People voted for him based on that.
So where will ilorin go ? Never they will stay with yoruba.

This is what I said at the inception of this thread before all this shortsighted Yoruba youths start attacking me.
Ilorin and other Yoruba communities in Kwara don't need referendum to tell you where they belong to even till today most of the old men don't know they are classified as northerner and same applies to the Okun people they don't need referendum to tell you who they are even the average Hausa Fulani they term illiterate knows where they belong.

Nowenuse:


Can you pls explain what you mean by 60% of my state is dead?

Fulanis are the 2nd or 3rd largest tribe in Taraba state. So, they have lots of villages, towns, communities and even dominate LGAs there, unlike in Plateau state where they live nomadic lifestyles like in the south. So, Taraba tribes know where to find the fulanis easily to treat their fvck up.
Besides, as i said, there are many towns and even entire LGAs in Plateau state that you cannot build a mosque, even you as a yoruba muslim cannot stay let alone Hausas, infact i cannot guarantee you safe passage travelling across those places as a muslim.

Why won't Saraki stop it? Is he not a fulani descendant? The most influential families and people from Ilorin are of fulani descent. They and the other Hausa-asslicking yoruba muslim fanatics of Ilorin will always be there to secure the status quo.
Please you guys should stop sitting under your rusty brown roofs in Ibadan, Ogbomosho & Osogbo talking about Ilorin, go there and see the reality on ground. Most yoruba muslim indigenes there are very loyal and eager to do the bidding of the Sokoto caliphate. If they were here, they would instantly deny you guys.

i won't join issue with tribe that's not up to 1m go and rescue your civilisation
All those brown roof towns are way wealthier and more advanced than the entire jos
If it's not bomb it's herdsman
Yoruba Muslims are great people who have their own leader in Ibadan
Unlike jos that has both Muslim and Christain and still lick the ass of sultan the last time I checked your members of arewa and should Nigeria split you have no where else to go

Lol
Seems you have forgotten Gowon that led civil war is from your state and you have audacity to say someone' supports war

Go and read your history before commenting

realjoker:
I do underestimate his stupidity at first.

He is a confirmed cynic. Saying Yoruba Muslims or Ilorin Muslims are loyal to Sokoto caliphate says much about him being a dumbhead. His entire state is a war zone, many places in war torn Borno are 100% safer than his failed state.

As if they don't have jos Muslims

realjoker:
This is what I said at the inception of this thread before all this shortsighted Yoruba youths start attacking me.
Ilorin and other Yoruba communities in Kwara don't need referendum to tell you where they belong to even till today most of the old men don't know they are classified as northerner and same applies to the Okun people they don't need referendum to tell you who they are even the average Hausa Fulani they term illiterate knows where they belong.

My vilage will swear for anybody that attach us to hausa .

We are more yoruba than any yoruba

A190:

Oh. Notorious set

Yes oh! your set's notoriety is engraved in campions history and is continually passed on by means of oral tradition through Mr. Awarun!

Nowenuse:


Some things are easier said than done.

Well, you guys are free to try your luck. But until then, Ilorin & Lokoja remain properties of the caliphate traditionally.

Nowenuse:


Oh, you'd rather i be a 'yoruba ass licker' right? Nope. I will give you the raw truth no matter how bitter it is.

I don't have the time to ass-lick any tribe (especially the big 3, yoruba, hausa & Igbo). Cos i have no business or affinity with any of them. They are all problems of Nigeria as long as am concerned.

I know what your exact problem is.
As the plateau man that you are, you know you have no future outside the North. You know you are caught up in the quagmire of Fulani and Northern domination forever, as such you are looking for other tribes be it middle-beltan or Fully Southern with parts in the "North" due to past injustices, to drag down into the pit with yourselves in your Northern wahala.
That is why you hate Fulani domination but at the same time have no problem saying that Yorubas in Kwara or Ilorin or Lokoja are under the dominion as "Properties of the Caliphate"

That is the exact same reason most of you will always be against the idea of an Oduduwa or Biafra republic, because you need the southerners to check the balances of the north on your behalfs, else they'll suyanize you lot, isn't it?..
The first Nigerian lawyer to actually bring to the notice of the UN the Fulani killings in Southern Kaduna, which prompted the fact finding delegation that was sent to investigate what was actually going on was a Yoruba man. Yet you keep talking like we have actually done anything to wrong plateau or middle-belt people.
Examine your life bro, you have got serious problems.

It is not Yorubas' fault that your actual indigenous language is now extinct or drawing closer to moribundity.

pazienza:

lol see this one laughing, the next Yakubu Gowon of Biafran war 2.0 will probably be from his tribe in the Plateau iike Biafra 1.0.

myobjective:


I was a yoruba Muslim ( albeit a closet atheist now), you absolutely spot on some of the issues you raised above.
The problem is not that yoruba are caword but yoruba are liberal and peace loving people, majority of the yoruba in the north are only interested in how to make a meaningful living and as a result are caught un aware when their is a violence.

The truth is hausa-fulani use religion as a political tool to control others, this is one of the reasons why I have to do a more thorough research and analysis of the religion. Islam is a political tool used by the founder to plunder and steal things that doesn't belong to him, the hausa and fulani also use this method to plunder and steal what doesn't belongs to them.

I was born in the North, I grew up in the north and I have a great respect for northern minority in places like plateau, Kaduna, taraba, bauchi etc. These people were peace loving people, they receive a great deal of immigrants from yoruba, hausa and igbo but only the husas fight over things that don't belong to them.
The hausa-fulani through the help of the military dictator has established themselves in areas that doesn't belong to them, they abuse the indigenous, fight to grab land etc.

Most yoruba Muslim don't hass lick hausa-fulani n the north but we have some minority that does that does that but after the kano riot of 2001 many of these yoruba no better. If there is a problem in the North, I will rather side with a northern minority Christian than an hausa fulani.

Hausa fulani also kill minority like gwari Muslim, Igala Muslim, egbira Muslim etc if their is religious violence

1000 likes for your post.

It's obvious you are the most sensible and realistic yoruba person here.

Hausa-fulanis use religion as a tool for power and oppression. It is very obvious that you have lived in the north and fully aware of all these.

Most yorubas here like AbakalikiPress, Markfemi2 & Omofunaab2 have definitely never left Ibadan in their lives hence their short-sightedness and myopic view.

ODVanguard:


You just demonstrated by this incoherent post that you are nothing but a coward. Now you have shifted goal post from saying that Yorubas [and igbos] don't have the guts to 'Bleep.k up' Hausa-Fulanis, to some crap about daring us to try it today. Like seriously? Boy, your fcvkedup mind needs serious help.

You initially lumped both Yorubas and igbos together in your earlier attack, then in your latest post you separated them in a mischievous attempt to form empty solidarity by making igbos appear as your allies during recurring ethno-religious crises you admitted your own people have pretty much lost control of. You aren't even ashamed to imply that you need Southerners to assist you in fighting your Hausa-Fulani masters, when you should be the ones guaranteeing their safety on your own turf. Why should Yorubas or igbos have to fight with you against your masters in what's supposed to be your own sphere of influence?

Really, you are the dullest person i have across in my life. You just don't know your analogies, do you?

Yes, Igbos always defend their areas and business in the north in any case of crisis, how is it my problem that yorubas are weaklings? Igbos defended themselves in Kano and till date, Sabongari, the safest place in Kano city for all Southerners and christians is Igbo-controlled, is Kano also part of middlebelt? Is it not core Hausa land?
.....Shameless cowards who call themselves a majority group. Just see the way you are excusing the cowardice of your people by blaming the Jos indigenes for not protecting you yorubas in Jos. So i am asking, what about Kano?

Igbos defending themselves in Hausa land does not amount to fvcking northerners up does it? The killing of the Sardauna and Tafawa balewa are what you can liken to fvcking up, just like the killing of Abiola and annulment of the 1993 yoruba victory.

Truth is that you Northern minorities (including Yorubas that fall under that category) are a big part of the problem of Nigeria coz politically you have always suckedup to the core North and played willing partners to their hegemonic ambitions against the entire country, particularly against the South. You lots obviously can't make up your mind as to whether you want to be free from their shackles once and for all or not. To highlight this point, your leaders still consider themselves Northerners and still take part in Northern Elders Forum meetings to this day

Gosh, are you this dumb? We all know that minorities never had a say during the colonial period. So, you yorubas and Igbos are obviously to blame for allowing your fellow majority group (Hausa-fulani) cheat you guys in connivance with the British. You guys had all the power to stop it and you didn't.

In 1956, middlebelt elders clearly requested for a distinct middlebelt region in the Willinks comission but the British did not grant it. There was the Tiv riots against Hausa-fulani domination of the northern region in the 1960s. There was also a Berom Jos riot in 1982. In 1993, Gideon Orkar wanted to launch a coup to cut-off the entire core-north away from Nigeria and he called for the unity of all Southerners and Middlebelters against the core-north. All these efforts and more by Benue- Plateau people.
How many realistic and physic efforts have your millions of Ilorin/Okun brothers made? Nonsense!

Look here, middlebelters attending Northern meetings is not the problem, the problem comes if they allow Hausa-fulani agenda dominate the meetings. Southern minorities are against Igbo domination, but that doesn't stop them from having joint regional Southern meetings with Igbos. Ok? There are also middlebelt socio-cultural groups that speak on the behalf our people, what can you say about that?

What happened at Mile12 was an aberration that was aided by complicit security personnel and you best believe that it won't repeat itself again because the Yorubas who overwhelmingly outnumber the Hausas in that area are better aware today; they were caught off-guard by the spontaneity of that incident the last time.

But make mistake no about it, what happened at Enugu on more than one occasion where armed Fulani herdsmen invaded 7 villages, wantonly killing people, burning properties including a church, can NEVER happen in SW Yorubaland -- ironically the brave igbos that were busy defending themselves and fighting for your people couldn't defend themselves against gun-toting Fulani herdsmen even after receiving advanced warning of the attack.

The shagamu crisis you alluded to was a one-sided (though unfortunate) bloodbath that claimed more Hausa lives than Yoruba so you didn't have to lie or spin it, afterall accounts of the incident are still online. The Ife incident on the other hand actually defeats your jaundiced narrative coz in that case it was again a one-sided affair.

Oh, you are quick to explain how the yorubas were caught unaware and how the security aided the Hausas to defeat them in Mile 12 and you think Jos and other northern minorities are not also caught unaware too sometimes right? Good for your shallowness.

Sometime in year 2000, Yoruba farmers killed close to a hundred troublesome Fulani herdsmen at Saki, Oyo state and even in spite of Buhari and Marwa's protestations to the then state governor, heaven did not fall.

Now, throughout these clashes related above, Yorubas never tried to beg other ethnicities to fight alongside them as is the case with you, trying to guilt-trip other ethnicities for not helping you fight Hausa-Fulanis on your own turf.

This comment of yours has shown that you don't even read comments very well. I told you clearly that those lands where yorubas, Igbos, Hausas and others settled in Jos in the colonial era was given to them by the British. Indigenes do not live in those areas.
If Hausas clash with Igbos in a place like Festac in Lagos and deal with them, are Igbos to blame yorubas for not protecting them in an area overwhemingly dominated by Igbos with fewer yorubas? Get sense abeg.

Have you forgotten what Plateau indigenes did to Hausa-fulani muslims in Yelwa-Shendam crisis 2004? Not less than 1000 hausa muslims were killed there and it was so bad that the Hausa had to retaliate in Kano and guess who suffered the casualties in Kano more? SOUTHERNERS (mostly yoruba muslims as usual)

Now, did you see Plateau indigenes mentioning yorubas here? No, cos this is not Jos where lands were given to you guys by the colonial masters to settle.

So as you can see, the Hausa-Fulani population in the SW is too insignificant to pose any serious threat to our collective security coz when it really gets down to it they are overwhelmingly outnumbered and don't even stand a chance against us.

It's obvious that you and your fellow Northern minorities view yourselves as hopeless and perpetual slaves of the core North, but you don't have to deride tribes like the Okuns who are brave enough to vocally express their desire to be free from such servitude the way you are shamelessly doing here when you attack their legitimate aspirations.

They say misery loves company, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to see the Okuns leave that sad and unfortunate Hausa-Fulani estate that is the North Central geopolitical zone. And since I can see through your antics, I won't even bother responding to your mentions from hereon.

Hahahaha, all the anti-hausa fulani agitations ever made in the North-central were not by Ilorin or Okun people, were they?
Okuns are only crying to join South-west today because they have been severely dealt with by the Igalas & Ebiras politically in Kogi state.
After the way James Faleke was disgraced, even with the help and backing of the 'almighty yoruba lord' (Tinubu). Now, they the Okuns have neither governor nor deputy. Why did the Okuns not cry to join the South since they were in old Kwara state where they enjoyed a yoruba majority?
Go and learn the way Okun political elders have been ass-licking the core-north and selling the destiny of Okuns, people like Awoniyi, Adeyemi & co.
Why are Ilorin and other yoruba Kwarans not crying to join the South too? Cos obviously they are enjoying yoruba majority in Kwara (especially Ilorin people ).

And FYI, i am never and can never be against Okuns joining the South. What are we going to miss about them in the middlebelt? Nonsense! All their people are still all over Jos & Kaduna. The only thing i am saying is that Okuns will never be allowed to join South-west with Lokoja (not especially with that Federal University in Felele). They cannot divide Kogi state capital to the South-west. Let them take their Kabba, Ijumu, Yagba and go!

Lmao

"A majority tribe bossed and tossed by a fellow majority tribe"

Quote of the day

realjoker:


Hahaha. I don't like doing this but your ill manner attitude about Ilorin tempt me. Guy stop deluding yourself about Ilorin, I know your knowledge about Ilorin is limited to nairaland. And on Hausa or Fulani not being able to move in some places in Jos is the same way you dare not move in Hausa or Fulani area, your city center inclusive.
Countless of your local chiefs were butchered and 95% of your entire state turned to war zone what have you done about it rather than surrounding your ancestral land to the Hausa and Fulanis? even though I am against Hausa and Fulani actions on this.
And you failed to mention that the little pseudo-peace you enjoy in Jos today is do to your state governor and people surrendering your ancestral lands to Hausa and Fulani people and you dare not visit those area. And on Saraki having a Fulani ancestry is one of the lies turned truth after being repeated over and over again. I am 99% sure you have never been to Ilorin before, face your war torn Jos and Plateau in general Ilorin is not under contention rather Plateau is.

Lol. Honestly, is it just me or i have enough dullards to entertain me on this thread?

Kano city is the heart of Hausa land! Do you know that in Kano, no matter the heat of the crisis there, Hausa-fulanis can never take their madness to Sabon-gari? Igbos and other christians there will cure that madness for them.
The same thing with Wusasa in Zaria city (core hausa land), yet it is dominated by northern christians and Igbos. Hausas can never take their madness there no matter what. This is why i always advice you yorubas to leave your brown-roofs in Oshogbo, Ogbomosho and travel wide! ......Is that not the same case in Lagos where the Hausas defeated yorubas in Mile 12? Hausas have been showing themselves in Lagos in recent times and they keep on migrating to Lagos now more than ever. So, very soon, expect to see stronger cases than that of Mile 12.

Pls which ancestral lands in Jos were surrendered to Hausa-fulanis? Can you list them? Which city centre is dominated by Hausas? Is it Terminus? Why have the hausas not produced the Jos north chairman till now?
Can you list their traditional leaders and the political offices they dominate in Jos/Plateau?

Jos is enjoying peace today after the last time the indigenes rounded up all the Hausa-fulanis in a jumaat prayer ground, burnt them to ashes and ate their roasted meat . That was the last episode of conflict till now. Plus christians and Hausas no longer live together, so there is no need for a fight when you hardly see each other on daily basis.

And FYI, there is almost nowhere i haven't been to in the entire North-central my zone. I have been to Ilorin very very well. Many yorubas are now leaving their brown-roofs in the South-west to stay and school in Ilorin and this is why some of you fools think Ilorin is so yoruba. Meet most core Ilorin indigenes one on one and get the shock of your lives. Most of them do not even dress traditionally like yorubas.

Jos is still the most developed city in the entire North-central after Abuja. So i wonder where the war torn areas and contention is.
Leave your brown roofs in Oshogbo and travel out ejoo!

Omofunaab2:




Guy, at first i was deceived by your claims of objectivity not until you said hausas were battling yorubas in shagamu, lol, shagamu of all places. ... It was a one sided fight, many of the Northerners were murdered.. When the whole country was crying and lamenting about fulani herdsmen, my Ile-ife brothers massacred hausa-fulanis in Ile-ife.... And don't think people from Plateau state are not exempted from this killings, an average yoruba man see you guys as hausa-fulani as long as you can speak hausa.


And nobody is in prison for the Ile-ife crisis, the case is now in Oshogbo

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/ife-hausa-yoruba-clash-court-grants-oba-ademiluyi-others-n5m-bail/

So, are you saying that no yoruba lives were lost in Shagamu? The fight was not entirely one-sided. If you tell me Ife crisis was almost completely one-sided i can accept, but not Shagamu where there were also yoruba casualties.
Yorubas were almost completely wiped out of Kano that year in retaliation. Most of them had to run to Sabongari for Igbo & middlebelt christians protection. Lol. How many hausas were arrested and had to bail themselves?? Your own people are being arrested and have to bail themselves for defending their own land.

FYI, Plateau people and other northern christians do not live in Hausa quarters cos we don't trade like the hausas. So how could we be victims in yoruba land?

Nowenuse:


Nice try, but here is where you flopped, Tivs (the largest middlebelt group), Idomas, Igedes, Igalas, Ibiras, Ogori magongo, many Nupes, Bussas, Bassas e.t.c do not speak any Hausa at all.

Hausa was only promoted and it worked among other northern tribes because of their smallers sizes, indirect rule, pre-colonial decades of trade with the emirates and most importantly through Evangelism. The British mandated the Sudan missionaries who evangelized most northern christian tribes (outside Kogi-Benue-Kwara axis) to use Hausa bibles and materials as the medium for evangelism as opposed to Angas language which the missionaries wanted to use (now, this would have made Angas the lingua franca of Plateau, Southern kaduna, Nasarawa, parts of Bauchi and perhaps Taraba e.t.c).

Ilorin or any NC yorubas are not special in not speaking Hausa.......Hausa language did not penetrate Nupe land either (even though they have 4 emirates) and all hausa-fulanis living in Bida, Kutigi, Lapai, Doko, Lafiagi and other Nupe towns must learn Nupe to survive.

You don't need to twist my words. Here is what I actually said: "The Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi despite being technical minority in the North remain one of the few exceptions that don't use Hausa as a second language." Of course I knew there are some minor exception, but it still didn't stop you from twisting my words. Out of the many states in the North that use Hausa as a lingua franca outside states with Yoruba speakers, only Benue state and Southern Niger state don't use it as a second language.

Yeah i know this. The Okuns enjoyed and preferred their days in Kwara state where the Yoruba speakers were a majority and i bet you, had the Okuns still been in Kwara, i highly doubt any agitation to join the South-west would have surfaced.
Well, the Okuns are not alone here, surprisingly, most Ebiras also preferred old Kwara state. They produced the first civilian governor of Kwara state afterall and they also blend with yorubas more than Igalas.

You know all of this and here you are saying they belong to the North and can't have their own state.

Hahahaha, well, i'd say i do that cos i want them to ginger more, cos as a majority group, they are too slavish for my liking. And also, yoruba muslims disgust me so much. Gosh
Honestly, you and i even know that most north-central groups themselves do not even want the name 'north' anymore.

I know you hate Yorubas, especially Yorubas who are muslim, it's not news to me. I should have known from the start when you went out the way to tell me that you have come accross many Okuns and many Ilajes in Warri saying that they are not Yoruba and the one person you happened to met in Idiroko on the Nigerian-Benin border that said she is not Yoruba. It's like you go everywhere and every person you meet, you ask their ethnicity and you just so happen to meet the many many Yoruba deniers along the way. It's so ridiculous! Does the Pan-Yoruba identity bother you that much? I was aware of the hate you have for Yoruba muslims when you kept talking about how Yoruba muslims are considered inferior by Hausa and how they don't get along. That's not even the problem as I would understand why you would think that, but it was the way you kept repeating it over and over that I knew something was up.

You called Yorubas "slavish," yet here are Okun people agitating for exit from the North and inclusion with others like them and here you are saying that they belong to the North. Isn't that that hypocrisy?

Jesus christ, have you been to Ilorin at all? Have you met with true Ilorin muslim indigenes (especially the descendants of royal lineages)? How many of them proudly proclaim yoruba identity and flaunt yoruba culture?
See, i also belong to many large middlebelt and NC groups & foras and even an admin at some and i meet with so many numerous people from these areas daily. What would i gain from denying my experience?

Who do you think I am? Yes, I have been to Ilorin before; I personally know that city well. I have probably been to Ilorin more than you have, so don't even start with me. I have many relatives that are from Ilorin. I have visited many of the iconic place in Ilorin including the oja oba, the Secretariat building, and the university. I've passed through the old mosque and the new central mosque. I've met common people in the town especially in the markets, and they act just as Yorubas in the SW. There is no major difference, except maybe for their dialect. Yoruba traders from the SW flock to Ilorin markets for trade and vice versa.

I have ridden Ilorin's iconic yellow and green taxis countless of times. One of the memorable moment in one was when one of the passenger asked our driver where his facial marks comes from and he was surprised when he said he was Nupe, because he thought he was Yoruba from the way he acted and spoke. Any Yoruba from the SW will feel comfortable in Ilorin.

Also, funny enough, you had to narrow it to descendants of the royal lineages abi, because you know that the 99% of the Yorubas in Ilorin have no issues being Yoruba. Those Fulani descendants that populate the city are a very small minority and if according to you, they don't flaunt their Yorubaness, then maybe its because they are half-baked people with foreign blood. They are simply not Yoruba, so the aren't obligated to display their Yoruba colors. Saraki like the emir are half baked with diluted Yoruba heritage, the authentic overwhelming majority of the Yorubas in Ilorin have no problem identifying as Yoruba. There are prominent Yoruba people from many works of life in Ilorin from the musicians to the lawyers to the religious clerics. In Ilorin that I know, the balogun, baale, and iyalode titles in the traditional Yoruba political system are present and well alive.

All this Muslim indigines blah blah blah that's regurgitated over and over on Nairaland about Ilorin is portraying an inaccurate image of the city because most of the people who say it have little or no personal connections to Ilorin.

You can check all my past threads and posts and count how many times i have taken sides with core-northerners and defended them compared to Southerners. You see me supporting yoruba and Igbos against Hausas today and tomorrow you see vice versa. This is because i am only interested in the truth. I have nothing to gain supporting any majority tribe.

Who is talking about Southerner matters. I mentioned Yoruba matters specifically, not Southerner matters. This thread is about a Yoruba matter, not a Southerner matter. You take sides when it fits your objectives. You are always an antagonist on Yoruba matter and that remains the fact.

I am judging you based on the past interaction I've had with you, so I don't need to check your past threads. I can definitely say you are a bonafide Yoruba antagonist solely based on the past encounters I've had with you.

And which stupid larger identity are you talking off? How many times do you see any Plateau people taking pride in Arewa identity or unity? Only some of our foolish elders still do that nonsense (well i can't blame them much, cos they were born in the days of 'One arewa' and grew up getting used to such. We the youths are only interested in 'middlebelt identity'. Very soon the world will start hearing from us just like IPOB.

Well, the "stupid" larger entity I'm talking about is the North you keep shouting about of course. Even though you might have grudges against the Hausas, it hasn't stopped you from associating with the North umbrella which is largely associated with Hausa in order to feel more recognized. The North is a part of your identity and of course you won't want a threat to that entity otherwise you won't have any problems with a proposed Okun state merging with the West.

The problem with you majority group is that you always tag anyone who doesn't take your sides as 'anti-your tribe', even when they may be giving you the bitter truth.
There are things i like and hate at the same time about Yorubas, Igbos & Hausas and be sure to see me defending and antagonizing them in different places.

Oh but I do like bitter truths, because they help you face the cold reality. At the same time, you have to give credits where its due and provide constructive feedback and solutions. In this thread however, you come off as a pure antagonist.

Lastly, Kogi state is part of North-central (my geo-political zone). So i think i have more rights than you (a South-westerner) on Kogi affairs crucify me whenever you see me arguing in an 'Ife-Modakeke' thread.

And that is where you are dreadfully wrong. Where did I mentioned that I'm a South-westerner or even claimed my regional affiliation.

In fact a Yoruba man from Benin Republic has more rights on this issue than a man from Plateau state. You know what, because at least that Yoruba shares the same ethnicity and culture with those in Kogi.