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JackBizzle:
The simple rebuttal is that entropy is applicable to a closed system (the universe is not closed) as you have already noted.

The issue here is that the entropy argument is usually misused by religious apologists. It has been also misused against evolution

Read my response to lightandDarkness.

felixomor:
Hehehehe
Nice duty....

Had a call over a penetrating trauma so we had to stabilise and transfer then made a pit stop somewhere else.

TLuzzie:
Hey, I like your tactic, but e no go work. Make I show you my own.

[quote author=TLuzzie post=58389601]1. The boy built the car - no further assertion made. THAT IS ALL. This is deism. No information is known about the nature of the boy or whether he does anything with the car.

What?
So deism is "God created"?
Oh let us consult the dictionary
Deism
a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe.........

If you want to still argue with the dictionary, continue.
Its already clear that its the "interference" clause that stands out.
The definition doesnt even mention "God".
The difference is clear

TLuzzie:
[s]2. The boy built the car and drives it in so so way for so so purpose - THEISM.

You com dey try too hard to "outsmart yourself".

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Why are you yet to show me where I said IMMANENCE is a quality of the deist God? [/s]

[quote author=felixomor post=58390291][/quote]Lol. I'm done with you.

spacetacular:
Had a call over a penetrating trauma so we had to stabilise and transfer then made a pit stop somewhere else.

Wow, well done.
I hope patient is doing well.

KingEbukasBlog:
God transformed into the universe not that it killed itself , God became the universe. There is no reason to even posit that because there is no intelligence or consciousness orchestrating the evolution of the universe since God supposedly gave that up .

It's not my argument, I was just talking about the concept.

spacetacular:
So an ETERNAL BEING killed himself? Pure undiluted crock.

I just talked about a concept. It's not my belief.

felixomor:
Wow, well done.
I hope patient is doing well.

I believe he would pull through. It was a young man who got shot with a low velocity pistol. He was lucky!

Will check up on him tomorrow after his surgery. I always make friends on the job

spacetacular:
IF is the key word there. So your whole premise is simply a presupposition so does not apply.

I was already aware of everything you wrote. This specific aspect is where I wanted us to get. Any assertion about the specific of the nature of the universe at the start is based on assumptions and is not factually known.

Note how your reply didn't say that the universe being an open system was not possible or multiverses are not possible, they are just not known as fact. Thus, like any knowledge of the "something that always existed", is open to speculation. If a cyclical universe is theoretically possible, it can be speculated.

spacetacular:
I believe he would pull through. It was a young man who got shot with a low velocity pistol. He was lucky!

Will check up on him tomorrow after his surgery. I always make friends on the job

Nice. Hope he does.

LightandDarkness:
I was already aware of everything you wrote. This specific aspect is where I wanted us to get. Any assertion about the specific of the nature of the universe at the start is based on assumptions and is not factually known.

Note how your reply didn't say that the universe being an open system was not possible or multiverses are not possible, they are just not known as fact. Thus, like any knowledge of the "something that always existed", is open to speculation. If a cyclical universe is theoretically possible, it can be speculated.

That's what JackBizzle fails to understand. People are free to run with assumptions and parade them as probable facts as long as it negates a creator God but when I believe in this God it becomes offensive to them yet their assumptions do not offend them?

A lot of people here are not atheists "seemingly" but they are simply sceptics.

felixomor:
Theist - (Merriam Webster Dictionary)

Full Definition
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world...

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Please go and get a dictionary.

I repeat, Which God do you worship as a theist?

ScepticalPyrrho:
I repeat, Which God do you worship as a theist?

Simpler thing again,
Let me even help you further

Psalm 146:6

He is the Maker of heaven and earth,
the sea, and everything in them—
he remains faithful forever.

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Its very simple, even kids will grab that easily.....

ScepticalPyrrho:
I repeat, Which God do you worship as a theist?

felixomor:
Simpler thing again,
Let me even help you further

Psalm 146:6

He is the Maker of heaven and earth,
the sea, and everything in them—
he remains faithful forever.

==================================
Its very simple, even kids will grab that easily.....

ScepticalPyrrho:
I repeat, Which God do you worship as a theist?

ashamed of Yahweh?

an eternal being who sent himself to be crucified sounds much better I guess

spacetacular:
So an ETERNAL BEING killed himself? Pure undiluted crock.

Humanistme:


ashamed of yahwey?

I know he is.
It's embarrassing to be associated with such an idea on this forum.

spacetacular:
That's what JackBizzle fails to understand. People are free to run with assumptions and parade them as probable facts as long as it negates a creator God but when I believe in this God it becomes offensive to them yet their assumptions do not offend them?

A lot of people here are not atheists "seemingly" but they are simply sceptics.

Well you can believe in a creator god. It doesn't mean it is fact. In addition some atheists like myself believe the existence of a god is unknownable in fact..

Btw where is Analice107. ever since I went on this my 2 days ban I have been missing her

felixomor:
Simpler thing again,
Let me even help you further

Psalm 146:6

He is the Maker of heaven and earth,
the sea, and everything in them—
he remains faithful forever.

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[s]Its very simple, even kids will grab that easily.....[/s]

Are you ashamed of the god you worship?

That was written at a time when people thought heaven and earth was all we had in the universe.... very myopic texts.

felixomor:
You are furthering your ignorance
"000000010 " ot whatever isnt base 10

So you are telling me that 2 is not 00000010 in base 2

My point is made, all I needed to show you was that your "1+1 = 2" is wrong in a different context.
Period. If you wrote "2 in base 2" as your answer in a maths exam, you will fail woefully
And that clearly tell you that before the introduction of number bases, 1+1 anywhere was 2....

No you did show me that it was in different context you wanted to prove that the truth can change at any time which doesn't apply to you countering my point and if i were to give my answer in base 2 in any exam the only reason i would be marked wrong is because i didn't give the answer in the right base which is in base 10 but that doesn't mean am wrong

And that was the point I meant by what is right today, can be wrong tomorrow.......
I guess u didnt read it before commenting.

It doesn't cause you haven't proven that 1 + 1 can equal 5 and am sure that no matter what base you convert it to the truth still remains that when converted back 2 will remain 2 and can never change to 5....

TLuzzie:
JackBizzle, hopefulLandlord, CatfishBilly, Deicide, LightandDarkness, scepticalpyrrho......
I agree with KingEbukasBlog that Something coming from nothing is a LOGICAL ABSURDITY and the most IMPOSSIBLE thing conceivable. It is a category error. It cannever happen under any circumstances. Either EXISTENCE is all there has ever been and will ever be [FOREVER] or NONEXISTENCE is all there has ever been and will ever be [ETERNALLY]. Neither can come from the other. It is absolutely impossible. And since we exist, it is absolutely certain that there was NEVER a time in the past when there was nonexistence, and nonexistence is never going to be possible, for all eternity.

So God is not Something?

Deicide:
So God is not Something?

Lol.
God is nothing, because something must come from something; andall things come from nothing...

This twist is crazy really.

Deicide:
So God is not Something?

God? I don't believe in a God. What are you talking about?

ScepticalPyrrho:
Lol.
God is nothing, because something must come from something; and all things come from nothing...

This twist is crazy really.

Like I said b4 Deist argument is base on Ignorance

TLuzzie:
God? I don't believe in a God. What are you talking about?

I quoted you well if you don't believe in a God then the first cause is it a thing or is it not a thing and by the way are you an unbeliever?

Deicide:
I quoted you well if you don't believe in a God then the first cause is it a thing or is it not a thing and by the way are you an unbeliever?

I'm an atheist, man, a staunch unbeliever. I was simply saying that the physical universe must have eternal, non-contingent, necessary foundations and origin on which it depends for its existence since it is impossible for something to come from nothing. That doesn't automatically put me in the same camp as the theists or the deists.

Deicide:
So you are telling me that 2 is not 00000010 in base 2

No you did show me that it was in different context you wanted to prove that the truth can change at any time which doesn't apply to you countering my point and if i were to give my answer in base 2 in any exam the only reason i would be marked wrong is because i didn't give the answer in the right base which is in base 10 but that doesn't mean am wrong

It doesn't cause you haven't proven that 1 + 1 can equal 5 and am sure that no matter what base you convert it to the truth still remains that when converted back 2 will remain 2 and can never change to 5....

There is nothing special about "5"
We already successfully changed 1+1 to something else.
Period. My point is based on the "change"

ScepticalPyrrho:
Are you ashamed of the god you worship?

That was written at a time when people thought heaven and earth was all we had in the universe.... very myopic texts.

I Just showed you a corroborating Bible verse
If that aint simple enough,
Then sorry, maybe you will look for an adult literacy class.

Besides go and get a hebrew bible concordance that tells the meaning of "heavens" as used in OT
I dont expect you to ever know that first hand.

felixomor:
There is nothing special about "5"
We already successfully changed 1+1 to something else.
Period. My point is based on the "change"

Buhari

Humanistme:


ashamed of Yahweh?

Yahweh, is not a name.....
Its the description of a hebrew name in english alphabets.........
.
Go and do your homework on how that name was gotten

Deicide:
Buhari

Shebi, your point is finished?
I always knew you always end up as memes.....
Nothing more

felixomor:
Shebi, your point is finished?
I always knew you always end up as memes.....
Nothing more

You were the one changing goal post so i just let it die down