ollyruffy:
APC promised Nigerians a change but instead offered chains. This increase in vehicle import duties will form part of the reasons APC will be voted out in 2019.

saintjoel:



[b]There's no country that importers pay import duties without agents. [/b]The only issue we have is just because the entire system is corrupt and government has been using it as an avenue to exploit Nigerians for years but I learnt that our duty is still okay compared to some other countries. I've clients from Ghana and Cameroon that sometimes call us to process Nigerian duty and plate numbers for their vehicles and the drive with Ecowas driver's licenses,,people even come from Republic of Benin. Our systems is just filled with loopholes and even we as agents bear the brunt because people believe we're rolling in money just because we're agents.

sultaan:


http://southeast.buyatoyota.com/camry

A brand new 2017 Camry goes for about $24k and you are saying your system will calculate duty on used 2015 Camry at $28k how does that make sense if not corruption. Those benefit from the system should know that they are an accessory to that system in the eyes of those outside the system.

How I wish Nigerian will understand the power they have right now to make massive changes but because there is zoo much money in the system they keep giving it away.

This is Ghana
https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/economy/cars_duty.php

EgunMogaji:


This is US, as an example of a country that wants to promote trade. No agent, no brouhaha.

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/importing-car

EgunMogaji:


This is US, as an example of a country that wants to promote trade. No agent, no brouhaha.

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/importing-car

saintjoel:



Hope you didnt miss this section :-


"Law prohibits CBP officers from acting as agents or making entries for an importer. However, you may employ a commercial CBP broker to handle your entry". Which means that there are custom brokers that can handle your jobs at the ports and airports in America, if you decide to use their services but you made it seem like that there are no agents at all in the U. S.

saintjoel:




The reason why you people still think that it's agents you must have beefs with still baffles me and you make it seem as of Nigeria is the only place that we've licensed customs brokers. There's no section in the Nigerian constitution that stops an average Nigerian from becoming licensed as an agent, if you even have around N20m - N30m to spare, you can even setup a DTI, no problem with that. You can also clear your goods and vehicles yourself without the help of any agent in Nigeria,if you can go through the rigors or do you think that many of us make too much money from it that we don't want to leave it if we get better opportunities, do you know how many weeks we stay at home when we don't have jobs to process.

And before you go on with the " there are no custom agents/broker in America" , why is there a " NATIONAL CUSTOMS BROKERS AND FORWARDERS ASSOCIATION" with their head office at 1200 18th NW#901 Washington DC 20036 .


Headquartered in Washington, DC, the NCBFAA represents more than 970 member companies with 110,000 employees in international trade - the nation's leading freight forwarders, customs brokers, ocean transportation intermediaries (OTIs), NVOCCs and air cargo agents, serving more than 250,000 importers and exporters. Established in 1897 in New York, NCBFAA is the effective national voice of the industry. Through its various committees, counsel and representatives, the Association maintains a close watch over legislative and regulatory issues that affect its members. It keeps them informed of these and other related issues through its weekly Monday Morning eBriefing, and various meetings and conferences throughout the year.

EgunMogaji:


Despite all the nonsense that you wrote , normal citizens do pay the duties on importation without an agent which is the point of my post.

Yes if you're a company then I suppose you'll need an agent.

The hunger in Nigeria just creates a feasting orgy for all sorts of delinquent professions.

EgunMogaji:


How can I miss any sections when I import vehicles into the US without agents? Do you not read to comprehend?

The fact not reason why you exist in Nigeria is because of the clusterfuck system.

There's no need for an agent to clear something as simple as a motor vehicle. It's not rocket science.

Uncle please take it easy

saintjoel:



One questions that I'll like to ask is this, have you ever gone to a Nigerian port to clear your vehicle yourself and you weren't allowed to do it?

GAZZUZZ:


Uncle please take it easy

EgunMogaji:


You ought to be directing your questions/teachings to the OP as I'm not within your demographics.

No interest at all. None.

depair:

...I believe it can only get better

DaimlerBen:

It can only get worse. Net entropy is always positive.

saintjoel:



"
You ought to be directing your questions/teachings to the OP as I'm not within your demographics" . Which means that you can't also tell me that whatever I've written is nonsense or neither do you need to argue with me or anyone else since you're not in our "demography". Leave the " hunger stricken people " to operate their "clusterfuck " system.

bravolad:
There's a lot of connivance between Nigeria Customs Service Officials and agents. Most times, agents pay just a fraction of what they charged the importer or car owner as duty. This amount paid represents what the NCS officials have agreed with agents as being sufficient for the particular year model and another percentage of the money is shared between them.

From a personal experience, the major reason clearing of cars is shrouded in secrecy is the level of kickbacks in the process for which the agents & NCS officials benefit hugely from.

Sometime last year, I sought to know if I could clear my car by myself; the reality is NCS official in collaboration with Agents will frustrate your effort to achieve this.

The question is; why is it difficult for an importer to walk into the NCS formation to obtain the cost of of clearing his/her consignment without the need for a middleman?

EgunMogaji:


I didn't quote you, you quoted me. See, based on your signature you're inconsequential to me .

Me not being in your personal demographics doesn't make me ineligible to participate in my country's affair and I don't need your permission.

The way you write shows that you're part of the corrupt shithole system.

EgunMogaji:


Most of this Baba Lati agents are nothing but parasites on the system. Most, not all.

Before I left Nigeria in the 80's when she was still good, agents were educated and represented clients.

Now what we seemingly have are mostly frustrated unemployed misfits parading around as agents.

You won't be able to clear on your own because they'll frustrate you.

This is why I posted earlier about the US table and someone else posted about Ghana.

Calculating and paying your duties should be a simple process that even a primary 6 student can do.

Now you have the Nigerian system where they throw in mostly ineffectual shysters.

The hunger is real.

saintjoel:


You're also inconsequential to me. I've a job ,which coupled with a farm brings food to my table and i've defended what I do to the best of my ability. I've been clearing vehicles and general cargo for more than six years,so I'm not a baby when it comes to clearing and forwarding . You don't also need my permission before you contribute to any discussion or discussions on Nairaland,at least you're not using my phone neither have I loaned you data. As long as there's a provision in the law that states that agents can go about their lawful duties in the ports or land borders and you can't also come down to Nigeria to carry a placard or start a movement that will change government policies, you're so inconsequential to me.

saintjoel:


I still don't know why you all keep ranting about agents,as if we were the ones that formulated the policies. You as an agent will collect N7.5m for a job, customs will tell you to pay N5m+ as bank payment and you will still spread almost N2. something plus as table money, yet people will not complain. It's only agent this, agents that.

As at 2015 before the policies were implemented, the agent body went on strike to protest that high handedness of government and customs, was it not the importer's themselves that forced them back to work when they started complain that the goods and vehicles were stranded in the ports and land borders. If they has allowed agents to go on with the strike, will they be complaining right now.

EgunMogaji:


It begs to ask why you quoted me since I'm inconsequential?

If your profession disappears from the country today, the country will still run. You're not only inconsequential to me but to almost all Nigerians.

And I think you and your ilk know this and why you are all up in arms. You're a dying breed because you offer no societal value.

EgunMogaji:


It begs to ask why you quoted me since I'm inconsequential?

If your profession disappears from the country today, the country will still run. You're not only inconsequential to me but to almost all Nigerians.

And I think you and your ilk know this and why you are all up in arms. You're a dying breed because you offer no societal value.

EgunMogaji:


Like I told you before, you're pissing against the wind. There's nothing that you type that is of any worth to me.

Again, you're inconsequential and I'm not in your demograohics. I just don't care nearly enough about grown men that are parading around as if they are performing world saving duties. When primary six students can calculate duites due and make an electronic transfer based on it.

You're about as useful to me as a soda pop top.

EgunMogaji:


It begs to ask why you quoted me since I'm inconsequential?

If your profession disappears from the country today, the country will still run. You're not only inconsequential to me but to almost all Nigerians.

And I think you and your ilk know this and why you are all up in arms. You're a dying breed because you offer no societal value.

ikeepitreal:

Enough of this, you guys.
You two can always voice out your opinions but remember that it has no bearing on the corrupt system.
i suggest you end this argument and earnestly mind your businesses.

saintjoel:


So why do you keep replying me. Stop ranting like you're the first person in Ibadan that has ever travelled abroad. We also travel and we don't brag about it.

saintjoel:


Don't mind him, we're all searching for ways to stop government from exploiting us as Nigerians and he's ranting about how he resides in a 2 by 5 cubicle abroad.

I'm so sorry for what I've been typing and I hope that the apology is accepted.

EgunMogaji:


Yes, great people of real ideology are discussing ways to treat the rut that people like you feast on. I can understand why you're threatened and have to lash out though.

You're part of the parasites that are feasting on Nigerians.

saintjoel:


Wow, I didnt know that you're actually keeping tabs in how long agents will last, it's so nice.

For your info, importation was stopped at the border and till now no agent has been unable to feed his or her family. Imports have dropped in the ports, we're still moving on. I run a licensed agency and a DTI, even if agents and banned from the ports today, I'll still make my money before you can move your goods, unless ETLS is scrapped throughout the world. Incase you'll like to know, I am a graduate with a degree in Economics (LASu 2005), Diploma in Computer science (OOU 1997), CNNA certified with a Masters in Business Administration (LASU 2014) and I also run a company that helps a local government raise IGR through market permits and I also have farm which contains a piggery, poultry,a cassava and banana section,so to hell with anybody that says agents are dying breeds, na soldier go and soldier come. As long as agents are still working,i will defend what I do.

Abeg, Na Sunday evening be this,make I find something better to do.

EgunMogaji:


How is that of any business of mine what you choose to do?

You still don't get it. All your rants are wasted on people like me. I'm not in the demographics of people that you can fleece.

You're an inconsequential tick on the system.

saintjoel:


Spaces are still available, you can still join the feast. At least I've a job, it's still better than been a kidnapper or armed robber.