It is becoming a trend in many churches to refuse marriage to intending couples on account of pregnancy. It has become a common practice to undertake a pregnancy test before joining a couple in most of these churches. Those couple whose result come out as positive are then deprived from getting wedded. This practice is ungodly, unbiblical, unchristian and dangerous. I will highlight my points in the following paragraphs

The nature of God and the nature of man are distinct. One of God's nature is that of mercy, hence we frequently say GOD IS MERCIFUL. Now, a couple that get's pregnant before marriage have obviously committed the sin of fornication. However, if they have asked for forgiveness from God, who is merciful, who is man to deny them the privilege of a Christian marriage

THE SIN IS FORNICATION, NOT PREGNANCY. Now, let us look at it this way, couple A and couple B r seeking to get married. pregnancy test is done. couple A's result comes out as negative while couple B's comes out as positive. couple B is denied marriage while couple A is given the nod. Now, assuming that couple A has engaged in sex, it means that couple B is denied marriage, not because they committed fornication, but because they got pregnant. This leads to the question, is the sin pregnancy or the fornication that led to the pregnancy. Since the obvious answer is that the fornication is the sin, couples A and B ought to be disqualified. If this is done, I wonder how many couples will qualify for marriage. Reminds me of the psalmist who wrote, 'if you O Lord will mark our guilt, who will stand'. In this case, if you O lord will mark our sin, who will qualify for marriage.


THE DANGERS OF ABORTION.
Abortion is a grave sin synonymous with murder. The bible says 'thou shall not kill'. In the new testament, Christ said, 'woe unto those that will cause one of this little ones to sin. it will be better for a mill stone to be tied around his neck while he is cast to the sea'.
A direct result of insisting on a negative pregnancy test before marriage is that many young couples, for shame of being exposed and denied 'church wedding' abort their prenancies and wait for their results to come out as negative before presenting themselves for marriage. Some parents even take their children to abortion clinics just because of the stigma and shame. Until the emphasis is shifted from discouraging prenancy to discouraging premarital sex, such premeditated murder of unborn children will continue.

In summary, marriage is a union between a man and a woman, ordained by God. The same God is merciful and admonishes us not to judge. As christians we should therefore desist from using man's fallen nature to reason things of God such as marriage

Must the wedding be done in a church? If it's against their laws, honor their laws and jejely go to a court for statutory marriage, simple. We too like stress as Nigerians

Libo45:
Must the wedding be done in a church? If it's against their laws, honor their laws and jejely go to a court for statutory marriage, simple. We too like stress as Nigerians

what about those that see church wedding as sacrosanct?

If the woman don get belle already watin be the need for marriage? Marriage abi wedding is overrated jare

Deicide:
If the woman don get belle already watin be the need for marriage? Marriage abi wedding is overrated jare

it could be overrated but if u r a traditional christian u will certainly want to do it

clefstone:
it could be overrated but if u r a traditional Christian u will certainly want to do it

So to them, it's like Placebo

We just keep practicing other peoples culture even more than the owners.

clefstone:
It is becoming a trend in many churches to refuse marriage to intending couples on account of pregnancy. It has become a common practice to undertake a pregnancy test before joining a couple in most of these churches. Those couple whose result come out as positive are then deprived from getting wedded. This practice is ungodly, unbiblical, unchristian and dangerous. I will highlight my points in the following paragraphs

The nature of God and the nature of man are distinct. One of God's nature is that of mercy, hence we frequently say GOD IS MERCIFUL. Now, a couple that get's pregnant before marriage have obviously committed the sin of fornication. However, if they have asked for forgiveness from God, who is merciful, who is man to deny them the privilege of a Christian marriage

THE SIN IS FORNICATION, NOT PREGNANCY. Now, let us look at it this way, couple A and couple B r seeking to get married. pregnancy test is done. couple A's result comes out as negative while couple B's comes out as positive. couple B is denied marriage while couple A is given the nod. Now, assuming that couple A has engaged in sex, it means that couple B is denied marriage, not because they committed fornication, but because they got pregnant. This leads to the question, is the sin pregnancy or the fornication that led to the pregnancy. Since the obvious answer is that the fornication is the sin, couples A and B ought to be disqualified. If this is done, I wonder how many couples will qualify for marriage. Reminds me of the psalmist who wrote, 'if you O Lord will mark our guilt, who will stand'. In this case, if you O lord will mark our sin, who will qualify for marriage.


THE DANGERS OF ABORTION.
Abortion is a grave sin synonymous with murder. The bible says 'thou shall not kill'. In the new testament, Christ said, 'woe unto those that will cause one of this little ones to sin. it will be better for a mill stone to be tied around his neck while he is cast to the sea'.
A direct result of insisting on a negative pregnancy test before marriage is that many young couples, for shame of being exposed and denied 'church wedding' abort their prenancies and wait for their results to come out as negative before presenting themselves for marriage. Some parents even take their children to abortion clinics just because of the stigma and shame. Until the emphasis is shifted from discouraging prenancy to discouraging premarital sex, such premeditated murder of unborn children will continue.

In summary, marriage is a union between a man and a woman, ordained by God. The same God is merciful and admonishes us not to judge. As christians we should therefore desist from using man's fallen nature to reason things of God such as marriage

Hahahahahahahahaha.
I smell Catholic. If you don't commit the sin of fornication, how will you get pregnant?

I was waiting for you to bring up scriptures to back up your OP.

analice107:

Hahahahahahahahaha.
I smell Catholic. If you don't commit the sin of fornication, how will you get pregnant?

I was waiting for you to bring up scriptures to back up your OP.

the bigoted analice is back. wetin catholic do you. the OP did not mention any church in particular. stop your obsession with Catholics and Muslims.

Humanistme:


the bigoted analice is back. wetin catholic do you. the OP did not mention any church in particular. stop your obsession with Catholics and Muslims.

You start again, i will call Fealez and TheUmbra do to you what they know best.

analice107:

You start again, i will call Feal.ez and TheUmbr.a do to you what they know best.

so that you can surrender your cunt to them later. you are very powerful indeed. . plz I'm not who you think I am. paranoid analice.

The OP is right! There's no biblical backing restricting two consenting people (man and woman) from getting married if the woman is pregnant for him.

In fact I put forward the closest scripture regarding this as follows:

"Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married, if they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives". Deut 22:28-29

Man has always overstepped his bounds and authority and pastors and priests of today are no exception.

Humanistme:



so that you can surrender your cunt to them later. you are very powerful indeed. . plz I'm not who you think I am. paranoid analice.

Trust me when i tell you this, your thiefing father and the entire males in your family can't come close to look at my cunt.

You have started right? just wait. Very soon you'd run to google to look for abuses to use on me. I know who to call for you.

analice107:

Trust me when i tell you this, your thiefing father and the entire males in your family can't come close to look at my cunt.

You have started right? just wait. Very soon you'd run to google to look for abuses to use on me. I know who to call for you.

You have zero chill

analice107:

You start again, i will call Fealez and TheUmbra do to you what they know best.

Fearlezz

analice107:

Trust me when i tell you this, your thiefing father and the entire males in your family can't come close to look at my cunt.

You have started right? just wait. Very soon you'd run to google to look for abuses to use on me. I know who to call for you.

nobody wants to look at your shriveled cunt old woman. keep calling your defenders make sure you satisfy them with your old wornout cunt. madam cunt power. in case you are wondering I'm not deepsight olodo.

Ishilove:
Fearlezz

Thanks dear.

analice107:

Trust me when i tell you this, your thiefing father and the entire males in your family can't come close to look at my cunt.

You have started right? just wait. Very soon you'd run to google to look for abuses to use on me. I know who to call for you.

Let it go. There're different ways among different people in displaying affection. No matter how twisted and absurd or even antagonising a character might exhibit towards the opposite sex, it might just be a way he expresses his desire to have a flash of your lustre.

Never underestimate how weird the power of attraction can be. It manifests in strange ways.

TheUmbra:


Let it go. There're different ways among different people in displaying affection. No matter how twisted and absurd or even antagonising a character might exhibit towards the opposite sex, it might just be a way he expresses his desire to have a flash of your lustre.

Never underestimate how weird the power of attraction can be. It manifests in strange ways.

Thanks boss. I will do well to ignore him from now.

TheUmbra:


Let it go. There're different ways among different people in displaying affection. No matter how twisted and absurd or even antagonising a character might exhibit towards the opposite sex, it might just be a way he expresses his desire to have a flash of your lustre.

Never underestimate how weird the power of attraction can be. It manifests in strange ways.

They aren't attacted to her, she is an old lady, she can birth all those people she is fighting with. She should learn to respect her old age and stop disgracing herself.

analice107:

Hahahahahahahahaha.
I smell Catholic. If you don't commit the sin of fornication, how will you get pregnant?

I was waiting for you to bring up scriptures to back up your OP.

My friend, from my post I emphasized the fact that the sin a pregnant single has committed is fornication not pregnancy. Therefore, if they be denied marriage on account of being pregnant, then all christians that hv fornicated, even once should automatically disqualify from having their union solemnized in church.
If you read my op you would have seen some scriptural references. However, the craze for scriptural evidences to all common sense argument is one reason the Pharisees had issues with Christ. Christianity is a principle based religion, not a totally law based one. If u r a true christian, you really don't need bible quotes to make every decisions or even a pastor's opinion. Christianity is based on the principle of Love. Love doesn't judge, love forgives, love is just. Discriminating against people and condemning them because they have committed fornication is not love and is definitely not christian.

clefstone:
It is becoming a trend in many churches to refuse marriage to intending couples on account of pregnancy. It has become a common practice to undertake a pregnancy test before joining a couple in most of these churches. Those couple whose result come out as positive are then deprived from getting wedded. This practice is ungodly, unbiblical, unchristian and dangerous. I will highlight my points in the following paragraphs

The nature of God and the nature of man are distinct. One of God's nature is that of mercy, hence we frequently say GOD IS MERCIFUL. Now, a couple that get's pregnant before marriage have obviously committed the sin of fornication. However, if they have asked for forgiveness from God, who is merciful, who is man to deny them the privilege of a Christian marriage.

God of mercy doesn't mean one should love what is bad. (Ps 97:10)

THE SIN IS FORNICATION, NOT PREGNANCY. Now, let us look at it this way, couple A and couple B r seeking to get married. pregnancy test is done. couple A's result comes out as negative while couple B's comes out as positive. couple B is denied marriage while couple A is given the nod. Now, assuming that couple A has engaged in sex, it means that couple B is denied marriage, not because they committed fornication, but because they got pregnant. This leads to the question, is the sin pregnancy or the fornication that led to the pregnancy. Since the obvious answer is that the fornication is the sin, couples A and B ought to be disqualified. If this is done, I wonder how many couples will qualify for marriage. Reminds me of the psalmist who wrote, 'if you O Lord will mark our guilt, who will stand'. In this case, if you O lord will mark our sin, who will qualify for marriage.

I personally have not considered it this way before, ie, the couple A scenario. It is true that such can occur. But while that of B will receive immediate judgment, that of A will still come later in a true xten church. (1Tim 5:24)

If after some years, it later become know that they engaged in sex and covered it, among JW, they would be disfellowshiped as having played false to the spirit. (Acts 5:4-6) no need to water down Gods word and condone abomination just to play good guy.

THE DANGERS OF ABORTION.
Abortion is a grave sin synonymous with murder. The bible says 'thou shall not kill'. In the new testament, Christ said, 'woe unto those that will cause one of this little ones to sin. it will be better for a mill stone to be tied around his neck while he is cast to the sea'.
A direct result of insisting on a negative pregnancy test before marriage is that many young couples, for shame of being exposed and denied 'church wedding' abort their prenancies and wait for their results to come out as negative before presenting themselves for marriage. Some parents even take their children to abortion clinics just because of the stigma and shame. Until the emphasis is shifted from discouraging prenancy to discouraging premarital sex, such premeditated murder of unborn children will continue.

Whatever the result of not wedding a pregnant woman in the church should not be traced to the church, but to the couples who caused their ordeal. What you sow, you reap. In the meantime, they can go for statutory marriage. For a true church, unless they are repentant, they would be disfellowshiped.

In summary, marriage is a union between a man and a woman, ordained by God. The same God is merciful and admonishes us not to judge. As christians we should therefore desist from using man's fallen nature to reason things of God such as marriage

God willnjidge those outside the church, but those on the inside can rightly be judged.

1cor 5:12-13

12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves

TheUmbra:
The OP is right! There's no biblical backing restricting two consenting people (man and woman) from getting married if the woman is pregnant for him.

In fact I put forward the closest scripture regarding this as follows:

"Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married, if they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives". Deut 22:28-29

Man has always overstepped his bounds and authority and pastors and priests of today are no exception.

Analice107, if you won't mind, what's your take on this post?

JMAN05:


God of mercy doesn't mean one should love what is bad. (Ps 97:10)



I personally have not considered it this way before, ie, the couple A scenario. It is true that such can occur. But while that of B will receive immediate judgment, that of A will still come later in a true xten church. (1Tim 5:24)

If after some years, it later become know that they engaged in sex and covered it, among JW, they would be disfellowshiped as having played false to the spirit. (Acts 5:4-6) no need to water down Gods word and condone abomination just to play good guy.



Whatever the result of not wedding a pregnant woman in the church should not be traced to the church, but to the couples who caused their ordeal. What you sow, you reap. In the meantime, they can go for statutory marriage. For a true church, unless they are repentant, they would be disfellowshiped.



God willnjidge those outside the church, but those on the inside can rightly be judged.

1cor 5:12-13

12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves

I'll like to give you a little illustration which follows thus:

A man once lived in a little Christian community. Most people living in that community were mostly decent and GODly people who practice their Christian faith with all sincerity as far as their understanding leads them.

One day, the man became hungry and stole his neighbour's goat and ate it. He was caught and reported to the king who doubles as the town's priest.

The man pleaded and offered to repay the stolen goat but the king refused and banished him for bringing such shame and abominable act of stealing in a GODly community. The man was denied the opportunity to right his wrong.

My point is this; a man who brings a lady he impregnated to church in order to make her his wife does well. He has taken the first step of repentance, to right his wrong and give the woman a befitting place in his life. A church denying him this opportunity of righting his wrong does not act in the wisdom of the HOLY SPIRIT, but from the legalistic yoke of a Pharisee.

That was not the principle of CHRIST and the adulterous woman in John 8. Slut-shaming a woman by denying her the opportunity to a church wedding because she's pregnant as a result of fornication has no scriptural base. It spurned from man's self-righteous act and extra-scriptural misapplication.

It is a different matter when a Christian brother and sister are caught in fornication and the church decides to discipline them.

And what gives a church the right to ask intending couples to do a compulsory pregnancy test? What sheer arrogance and pastoral overreach! Do they go over the board making sure every money donated in their offertory coffers is untainted? Bloody 21st century Pharisees!

There was never a direct or implied command from GOD to any priest or pastor to join any couple in matrimony. And none of the patriarch in scripture ever did. Not Moses, not CHRIST nor any of HIS disciples.

There's no scriptural reference from where a priest or pastor can draw his authority to declare couple husband and wife. Church marriage was man's creation.

But it's a good thing if only priests and pastors would stop hijacking the roles of parents and act humbly by blessing the union after obtaining the consent of the couple and of their parents.

clefstone:
It is becoming a trend in many churches to refuse marriage to intending couples on account of pregnancy. It has become a common practice to undertake a pregnancy test before joining a couple in most of these churches. Those couple whose result come out as positive are then deprived from getting wedded. This practice is ungodly, unbiblical, unchristian and dangerous. I will highlight my points in the following paragraphs

The nature of God and the nature of man are distinct. One of God's nature is that of mercy, hence we frequently say GOD IS MERCIFUL. Now, a couple that get's pregnant before marriage have obviously committed the sin of fornication. However, if they have asked for forgiveness from God, who is merciful, who is man to deny them the privilege of a Christian marriage

THE SIN IS FORNICATION, NOT PREGNANCY. Now, let us look at it this way, couple A and couple B r seeking to get married. pregnancy test is done. couple A's result comes out as negative while couple B's comes out as positive. couple B is denied marriage while couple A is given the nod. Now, assuming that couple A has engaged in sex, it means that couple B is denied marriage, not because they committed fornication, but because they got pregnant. This leads to the question, is the sin pregnancy or the fornication that led to the pregnancy. Since the obvious answer is that the fornication is the sin, couples A and B ought to be disqualified. If this is done, I wonder how many couples will qualify for marriage. Reminds me of the psalmist who wrote, 'if you O Lord will mark our guilt, who will stand'. In this case, if you O lord will mark our sin, who will qualify for marriage.


THE DANGERS OF ABORTION.
Abortion is a grave sin synonymous with murder. The bible says 'thou shall not kill'. In the new testament, Christ said, 'woe unto those that will cause one of this little ones to sin. it will be better for a mill stone to be tied around his neck while he is cast to the sea'.
A direct result of insisting on a negative pregnancy test before marriage is that many young couples, for shame of being exposed and denied 'church wedding' abort their prenancies and wait for their results to come out as negative before presenting themselves for marriage. Some parents even take their children to abortion clinics just because of the stigma and shame. Until the emphasis is shifted from discouraging prenancy to discouraging premarital sex, such premeditated murder of unborn children will continue.

In summary, marriage is a union between a man and a woman, ordained by God. The same God is merciful and admonishes us not to judge. As christians we should therefore desist from using man's fallen nature to reason things of God such as marriage

some of you would get bored and start trying say nonsense. As a Christian you should know every sin has consequences. God forgave david but the child still died. Instead we should focus more on the root cause and try to prevent pregnancy before marriage. you can't expect a church wedding with your tummy protruding like hell.

Omoluabi16:
some of you would get bored and start trying say nonsense. As a Christian you should know every sin has consequences. God forgave david but the child still died. Instead we should focus more on the root cause and try to prevent pregnancy before marriage. you can't expect a church wedding with your tummy protruding like hell.

is the protrusion the reason for denying such couples church wedding? does that mean a pregnant woman with a non protruded tummy can wed? Is pregnancy a sin?

Syncan:



Analice107, if you won't mind, what's your take on this post?

Godbless you bro.

Now lets consider this within context. This passage my brother quoted is addressing rape cases whereby a girl gets pregnant as a result of being raped.

Remember, in the then world, no girl was to be seen pregnant without being married first, she'd be stoned, and the disgrace will be on her family. Case in point, Mary Mother of Jesus.

Let's now see what that passage says;

Deuteronomy 22:23-29

“Suppose a man is caught in a town having intercourse with a young woman who is engaged to someone else.

You are to take them outside the town and stone them to death.
She is to die because she did not cry out for help, although she was in a town, where she could have been heard. And the man is to die because he had intercourse with someone who was engaged.
In this way you will get rid of this evil.

If they are caught, what does that say? It's a taboo, and it's punishable by death.

If she cried out, she'd be free, but if she didn't, that says she consented to it so shd die.

Fornication is evil, that is what it means.


“Suppose a man out in the countryside rapes a young woman who is engaged to someone else.

Then only the man is to be put to death; nothing is to be done to the woman, because she has not committed a sin worthy of death.


This case is the same as when one man attacks another man and murders him.

The man raped the engaged woman in the countryside, and although she cried for help, there was no one to help her.


“Suppose a man is caught raping a young woman who is not engaged. He is to pay her father the bride price of fifty pieces of silver, and she is to become his wife, because he forced her to have intercourse with him. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

THE ABOVE IS WHAT WE SHD TALK ABOUT MORE.

Rape was seen as an abomination. If a girl ever gets raped, no other man will ever touch her, and a girl who remains unmarried then was a big Shame to the family. She'll be treated like a dirty rejected piece of shit. Even fellow women will ridicule her. Case in point, Dina Jacobs daughter.
The brothers knew the implication hence, took the drastic action of killing the guy who defiled their sister before marriage.

Now, if a girl gets raped, the man is forced to marry her and the man can not divorce her no matter what, because another man will never touch her.

This is not a pleasant union for the man or the man. The man is forced to marry his rape victim as punishment not pleasure.

You dey rape her leave her for who to marry? My friend, you go marry the girl whether you like am or not. This is the case here.

Formication is not rape. Fornication is when two consenting adults engages in sex and girl gets pregnant in the process. Normally she shd die, because she is polluting the land by bringing a polluted Seed which can not be a vessel unto God.

Sex happens before pregnancy is my point.

clefstone:
is the protrusion the reason for denying such couples church wedding? does that mean a pregnant woman with a non protruded tummy can wed? Is pregnancy a sin?

No dear, pregnancy is not a sin, but what got the pregnancy there is what is sin.

See, these things are deeper than we know.

Sex is very serious matter in the spirit realm. Satan knows what it means and how sacred it is to God that's why he pushed us humans to do it carelessly, wantonly thereby, thwarting God's purpose.

opposing God is Satan's agenda. God has plans for everything and everyone being born into this world, but satan has his too.

Why do we get married? why not just have sex and have kids?

Satan knows alot about these things which humans don't and we don't even want to know, even wen we told, we don't care.

Children belongs to God, we are just care givers, God has a purpose for us all, but satan will see that that purpose is thwarted.
Just look at our world.

TheUmbra:


I'll like to give you a little illustration which follows thus:

A man once lived in a little Christian community. Most people living in that community were mostly decent and GODly people who practice their Christian faith with all sincerity as far as their understanding leads them.

One day, the man became hungry and stole his neighbour's goat and ate it. He was caught and reported to the king who doubles as the town's priest.

The man pleaded and offered to repay the stolen goat but the king refused and banished him for bringing such shame and abominable act of stealing in a GODly community. The man was denied the opportunity to right his wrong.

My point is this; a man who brings a lady he impregnated to church in order to make her his wife does well. He has taken the first step of repentance, to right his wrong and give the woman a befitting place in his life. A church denying him this opportunity of righting his wrong does not act in the wisdom of the HOLY SPIRIT, but from the legalistic yoke of a Pharisee.

That was not the principle of CHRIST and the adulterous woman in John 8. Slut-shaming a woman by denying her the opportunity to a church wedding because she's pregnant as a result of fornication has no scriptural base. It spurned from man's self-righteous act and extra-scriptural misapplication.

It is a different matter when a Christian brother and sister are caught in fornication and the church decides to discipline them.

And what gives a church the right to ask intending couples to do a compulsory pregnancy test? What sheer arrogance and pastoral overreach! Do they go over the board making sure every money donated in their offertory coffers is untainted? Bloody 21st century Pharisees!

There was never a direct or implied command from GOD to any priest or pastor to join any couple in matrimony. And none of the patriarch in scripture ever did. Not Moses, not CHRIST nor any of HIS disciples.

There's no scriptural reference from where a priest or pastor can draw his authority to declare couple husband and wife. Church marriage was man's creation.

But it's a good thing if only priests and pastors would stop hijacking the roles of parents and act humbly by blessing the union after obtaining the consent of the couple and of their parents.

A man who is hungry ought to ask someone for food not take what doesn't belong to him.

The Bible says, if he is caught, he shd pay 7times the worth of what he stole, if he doesn't have the money, he shd sell everything he has to pay back. Hunger is not an excuse for theft.

Proverbs 6:31 yet if he is caught, he must pay back seven times more—he must give up everything he has.

The case of I married pregnant women in church:

These cases are many in churches, and they are not refused. This gets done as marriage blessings not Church wedding.

Church Wedding should be "bed undefiled".

Am a Christian, I know what the sin of fornication does to a man, especially the one who claims to be a believer in Christ.

Formication defiles us, meaning, we can not stand to for sacrifices unto our God. The Bible says, we are kings and priests unto our God, and as priests, how do we stand to offer our sacrifices of praise to God defiled?

To be defiled means to be corrupted, reputation damaged, sanctity destroyed. It's made unclean to be used.

Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned? . . . But whoso commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul (Prov. 6:27-28,32).

The sin of formication brings in the third party's (Satan's influence) into the relationship.

Formication is the same as worshiping an idol. God takes that very seriously.

analice107:

Godbless you bro.

Now lets consider this within context. This passage my brother quoted is addressing rape cases whereby a girl gets pregnant as a result of being raped.

Remember, in the then world, no girl was to be seen pregnant without being married first, she'd be stoned, and the disgrace will be on her family. Case in point, Mary Mother of Jesus.

Let's now see what that passage says;

Deuteronomy 22:23-29

“Suppose a man is caught in a town having intercourse with a young woman who is engaged to someone else.

You are to take them outside the town and stone them to death.
She is to die because she did not cry out for help, although she was in a town, where she could have been heard. And the man is to die because he had intercourse with someone who was engaged.
In this way you will get rid of this evil.

If they are caught, what does that say? It's a taboo, and it's punishable by death.

If she cried out, she'd be free, but if she didn't, that says she consented to it so shd die.

Fornication is evil, that is what it means.


“Suppose a man out in the countryside rapes a young woman who is engaged to someone else.

Then only the man is to be put to death; nothing is to be done to the woman, because she has not committed a sin worthy of death.


This case is the same as when one man attacks another man and murders him.

The man raped the engaged woman in the countryside, and although she cried for help, there was no one to help her.


“Suppose a man is caught raping a young woman who is not engaged. He is to pay her father the bride price of fifty pieces of silver, and she is to become his wife, because he forced her to have intercourse with him. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

THE ABOVE IS WHAT WE SHD TALK ABOUT MORE.

Rape was seen as an abomination. If a girl ever gets raped, no other man will ever touch her, and a girl who remains unmarried then was a big Shame to the family. She'll be treated like a dirty rejected piece of shit. Even fellow women will ridicule her. Case in point, Dina Jacobs daughter.
The brothers knew the implication hence, took the drastic action of killing the guy who defiled their sister before marriage.

Now, if a girl gets raped, the man is forced to marry her and the man can not divorce her no matter what, because another man will never touch her.

This is not a pleasant union for the man or the man. The man is forced to marry his rape victim as punishment not pleasure.

You dey rape her leave her for who to marry? My friend, you go marry the girl whether you like am or not. This is the case here.

Formication is not rape. Fornication is when two consenting adults engages in sex and girl gets pregnant in the process. Normally she shd die, because she is polluting the land by bringing a polluted Seed which can not be a vessel unto God.

Sex happens before pregnancy is my point.

The text actually says a girl that is ENGAGED to a man and has intercourse with another man should be stoned because she did not cry for help. That is a different proposition from a case of two unengaged (or maybe engaged sef) couple having premarital sex.

While I will never ok fornication under any circumstance, I will never support denying pregnant intending couple the privilege of Church wedding. My stand is that if such restrictions must be imposed, it should extend to all non-virgins, pregnant or not. As matter of fact, there is no difference between a pregnant unmarried woman and a non pregnant unmarried woman who has had sex, even once. For both the pregnant and non pregnant have committed the same sin which is fornication.

Please, it is important to note that I have not justified fornication in any of my posts and I will never do it. Yes, fornication is a sin and should be avoided by a child of God

clefstone:


Please, it is important to note that I have not justified fornication in any of my posts and I will never do it. Yes, fornication is a sin and should be avoided by a child of God

this is my point. Fornication is evil, so should not be condoned. And I said, pregnancy is the fruit of fornication.

Another thing you shd note is that, many of us have lived without Christ before redemption, now that we are saved, we cannot become virgins any more, so if i want to marry, i shd not be denied wedding based on the fact that am no more a virgin.

But, if i, after redemption returns to sin and gets pregnant, it's actually a shame on my part because am either still a babe in Christ or do not understand what Christianity is about.

It's like me accepting Christ into my life, but when at home amongst my unbelieving family members, i join them in their idol worship all over again and brought to Church food sacrifice to that idol inviting my brethren to be part of it, claiming nothing is wrong with it.

Fornication which brings about pregnancy is likened to idol worship.

analice107:


A man who is hungry ought to ask someone for food not take what doesn't belong to him.

The Bible says, if he is caught, he shd pay 7times the worth of what he stole, if he doesn't have the money, he shd sell everything he has to pay back. Hunger is not an excuse for theft.

Proverbs 6:31 yet if he is caught, he must pay back seven times more—he must give up everything he has.

The case of I married pregnant women in church:

These cases are many in churches, and they are not refused. This gets done as marriage blessings not Church wedding.

Church Wedding should be "bed undefiled".

Am a Christian, I know what the sin of fornication does to a man, especially the one who claims to be a believer in Christ.

Formication defiles us, meaning, we can not stand to for sacrifices unto our God. The Bible says, we are kings and priests unto our God, and as priests, how do we stand to offer our sacrifices of praise to God defiled?

To be defiled means to be corrupted, reputation damaged, sanctity destroyed. It's made unclean to be used.

Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned? . . . But whoso commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul (Prov. 6:27-28,32).

The sin of formication brings in the third party's (Satan's influence) into the relationship.

Formication is the same as worshiping an idol. God takes that very seriously.

You miss the whole point and the moral of my story.

The goat stolen is the woman and she belongs to her parents. The thief is the man who had sex with her without fulfilling the matrimonial requirement of dowry.

Now when he's caught and he's willing to pay for his misdeeds by marrying the girl properly, pregnancy shouldn't be an obstacle in such a case. There's no scriptural backing to this madness. Make no mistake, we're not in support of fornication, and no church can really stop fornication. But when two fornicators decide to get married and a church denies them this right because the woman is pregnant, there's no wisdom or direction from the HOLY SPIRIT in such decision.

Now in response to your earlier post, Deuteronomy 22:28-29 was not just referring to a rape case. It also addresses two consensual fornicators. Consider Exodus 22:16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sex with her, he must pay the customary bride price and marry her"

I'll point you to yet another scriptural precedent:

Mary was pregnant, she wasn't married to Joseph. They were only engaged. No bride price had been paid. Yet Mary's tommy was visibly pregnant that even Joseph noticed it.

No one in the community called Mary names. They assumed Joseph was responsible since both Joseph and Mary's family have accepted their engagement. Mary was not ridiculed or shamed for being pregnant without getting married.

Fast forward to our modern day church and Mary who was so exemplary in the church as well as in the community gets pregnant without being married! She'd have suffered humiliation and human judgement which has no meaning in the sight of GOD.

Again, no one is in support of fornication, which is a sin, but denying couples the right to church marriage due to pregnancy compounds the problem. It's not scriptural and has no biblical backing.


Your claim "church wedding should be 'bed undefile'" is a confused and mixed up paradigm which addresses adultery for married couples.

Until you understand that a pastor/priest have no real ordination to bond any couple in matrimony, you'd not come to the truth about marriage.