analice107:

Trust me when i tell you this, your thiefing father and the entire males in your family can't come close to look at my cunt.

You have started right? just wait. Very soon you'd run to google to look for abuses to use on me. I know who to call for you.

TheUmbra:



You miss the whole point and the moral of my story.

The goat stolen is the woman and she belongs to her parents. The thief is the man who had sex with her without fulfilling the matrimonial requirement of dowry.

Now when he's caught and he's willing to pay for his misdeeds by marrying the girl properly, pregnancy shouldn't be an obstacle in such a case. There's no scriptural backing to this madness. Make no mistake, we're not in support of fornication, and no church can really stop fornication. But when two fornicators decide to get married and a church denies them this right because the woman is pregnant, there's no wisdom or direction from the HOLY SPIRIT in such decision.

Now in response to your earlier post, Deuteronomy 22:28-29 was not just referring to a rape case. It also addresses two consensual fornicators. Consider Exodus 22:16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and has sex with her, he must pay the customary bride price and marry her"

I'll point you to yet another scriptural precedent:

Mary was pregnant, she wasn't married to Joseph. They were only engaged. No bride price had been paid. Yet Mary's tommy was visibly pregnant that even Joseph noticed it.

No one in the community called Mary names. They assumed Joseph was responsible since both Joseph and Mary's family have accepted their engagement. Mary was not ridiculed or shamed for being pregnant without getting married.

Fast forward to our modern day church and Mary who was so exemplary in the church as well as in the community gets pregnant without being married! She'd have suffered humiliation and human judgement which has no meaning in the sight of GOD.

Again, no one is in support of fornication, which is a sin, but denying couples the right to church marriage due to pregnancy compounds the problem. It's not scriptural and has no biblical backing.


Your claim "church wedding should be 'bed undefile'" is a confused and mixed up paradigm which addresses adultery for married couples.

Until you understand that a pastor/priest have no real ordination to bond any couple in matrimony, you'd not come to the truth about marriage.

clefstone:
My friend, from my post I emphasized the fact that the sin a pregnant single has committed is fornication not pregnancy. Therefore, if they be denied marriage on account of being pregnant, then all christians that hv fornicated, even once should automatically disqualify from having their union solemnized in church.
If you read my op you would have seen some scriptural references. However, the craze for scriptural evidences to all common sense argument is one reason the Pharisees had issues with Christ. Christianity is a principle based religion, not a totally law based one. If u r a true christian, you really don't need bible quotes to make every decisions or even a pastor's opinion. Christianity is based on the principle of Love. Love doesn't judge, love forgives, love is just. Discriminating against people and condemning them because they have committed fornication is not love and is definitely not christian.

asuustrike2009:

Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married, if they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives". Deut 22:28-29
The above scriptures is not for white wedding but traditional wedding. Although the church is strict but the intending couple should respect their rules or back out.it's not a must that you do church wedding

kennygee:
Only non Christians will debate this topic.

Is it compulsory to wed in a church?

Why not just go and pay her bride price?

So the church should welcome every pregnant woman to wear white so it will become a norm and fornication will continue?

Anyone in church living in fornication and has refused to repent is not a Christian.

asuustrike2009:

Just one question is church wedding scriptural? Must one wed in the church?

TheUmbra:



What was supposed to be a blessing or pray over for the married christian couple after or during traditional marriage by a priest or pastor has long been hijacked by power-hungry clergymen to gain more control and influence over the people

TheUmbra:


I'll like to give you a little illustration which follows thus:

A man once lived in a little Christian community. Most people living in that community were mostly decent and GODly people who practice their Christian faith with all sincerity as far as their understanding leads them.

One day, the man became hungry and stole his neighbour's goat and ate it. He was caught and reported to the king who doubles as the town's priest.

The man pleaded and offered to repay the stolen goat but the king refused and banished him for bringing such shame and abominable act of stealing in a GODly community. The man was denied the opportunity to right his wrong.

My point is this; a man who brings a lady he impregnated to church in order to make her his wife does well. He has taken the first step of repentance, to right his wrong and give the woman a befitting place in his life. A church denying him this opportunity of righting his wrong does not act in the wisdom of the HOLY SPIRIT, but from the legalistic yoke of a Pharisee.

That was not the principle of CHRIST and the adulterous woman in John 8. Slut-shaming a woman by denying her the opportunity to a church wedding because she's pregnant as a result of fornication has no scriptural base. It spurned from man's self-righteous act and extra-scriptural misapplication.

It is a different matter when a Christian brother and sister are caught in fornication and the church decides to discipline them.

And what gives a church the right to ask intending couples to do a compulsory pregnancy test? What sheer arrogance and pastoral overreach! Do they go over the board making sure every money donated in their offertory coffers is untainted? Bloody 21st century Pharisees!

There was never a direct or implied command from GOD to any priest or pastor to join any couple in matrimony. And none of the patriarch in scripture ever did. Not Moses, not CHRIST nor any of HIS disciples.

There's no scriptural reference from where a priest or pastor can draw his authority to declare couple husband and wife. Church marriage was man's creation.

But it's a good thing if only priests and pastors would stop hijacking the roles of parents and act humbly by blessing the union after obtaining the consent of the couple and of their parents.

asuustrike2009:

The question hasn't be answered. There's no Bible backing for blessing of marriage or church wedding. The alleged pastors are doing so because most Christians don't study their Bible and ask questions. Left for me once the bride price has being paid,the intending couples are joined together which is scriptural. All op is saying wouldn't change anything until we go back to what the Bible says.

Pavarottii:

Den why did Jesus die on d cross for us? U don't really know true chrietianisty my brother.

Pavarottii:

It doctorines are wrong , stop misleasding people. All our sins are forgiven saith d Lord. No sin holds us back to anything.

PrinceMario:
So those that go ahead to do abortion just for the church they attend to join them together don't commit the sin of fornication right

Not supporting fornication but depriving intending couples wedding in church on pregnancy ish isn't biblical.

They are mere GO's doctrines and assertions.

jamace:
But if a politician who is a renowned looter invites them to an occasion, they will turn up in large numbers to honour the occasion.

Chai, Nigerians with their religious hypocrisy!

It is well.

deavicky:
U are right bro. I use to fight against that, but on the second note, I relax my self becos it is the church rule not bible. If the church say they don't want just try and keep to it. Or u look for any church who do not see anything wrong about that. At least the Catholic have a different view about it. U can go there they welcoming.

Oghumu1:

What if they make us of pills not to get pregnant or something else...how do you know?? The OP is right to me..judge not!!

701ecilana:

We are talking about spiritual principle you are talking about Nigerian politicians. Na wao.

fromnigeria:

Thank youmy dear believer. You can see how obvious, it is that OP is a either an Unbeliever a growing christian who is over zealous.


The truth remains that. A true christian, a follower of Christ's teachings (not a church goer), will never go to bed with an opposite sex, for any reason. NEVER!! NEVER!!!

Kudos dear, keep up the faith.

mikedimeji:

I laugh at ur ignorance, go and ask King David. 1 Corinthians 10:12 is for u.

TheUmbra:


I have been waiting for someone to put forth this assertion of yours, and indeed here you are!

Now let me ask you;
Since scripture tells us that having sex joins us to the one we have sex with, does a husband having sex with his pregnant wife an abberation since he would be "joining himself to two people?

olagbemi118:
why don't you give us scriptures to back up church wedding or wot exactly is ur point

sddiamond:

Bible says pay her dowry not church wedding. Once you've paid her dowry its no longer fornication. Read your bible very well. church wedding is a choice and for me its just a waste of resources

Nov6:


hehehehehe,
i smell something,
never knew people confide in google for insult,isorait....

Analice abeg keep the cunt well oo, what cant be done physically can be done spiritually.....

Precise whr is The most controversial on NL-NwaAmaikpe

NoToPile:
Loool, is pregnancy even the issue?

Some churches won't even wed you straight if they know you have had sex with your spouse, you guys will be suspended for a short while asked to repent and pray again and then after sometime they may join you together. It may even be a church blessing.

Christains be twisting biblical standards up and down.

Hope we also know that marriage is not just church wedding , meaning if you intend to do just traditional and registry both of you must not have slept with each other until you are joined.

It baffles me when Christians will say I won't do church wedding ( its not compulsory anyway ) I will just do traditional and then you think because you will do the traditional rites alone ( there's no church elders to breathe down your neck and check if you ve slept with each other or not) and collect your cert from the registry you can go ahead and have sex with your fiance before the rites are fulfilled ?

We deceive ourselves a lot as Christians oo.

The bottom line is this Marriage ( whatever form we want to do church trad whatever ) is honorable and the bed undefiled. So until you pay what you should pay on your wife's head (bride price list parental consent etc etc) you are not supposed to sleep with her simple.

See Christians justifying bad things up and down.


Churches have taken a stand you abide by it or you run and do trad and registry but also know that if you sleep with your spouse before she's handed over by the parents traditionally you have commited a sin and its abominable before God, yes you need to repent and yes there are consequences .

asuustrike2009:

I wonder oh. It's not scriptural to do white wedding in the first place

jamace:
So looting of treasury is not reckoned with in spiritual principle? No wonder some people call outright stealing God's favour. Nigeria is in trouble.Wallahi!

701ecilana:

Brother i perceive you are taking a subtile stand for fornication. Let's talk about marriage and it really means to God.

analice107:

Hahahahahahahahaha.
I smell Catholic. If you don't commit the sin of fornication, how will you get pregnant?

I was waiting for you to bring up scriptures to back up your OP.