There is not nothin like feminism, take it or not. Those who are callin for feminism are ungrateful because of their greediness. They will neva fight to go to war, to do vigilante etc. If they wanted security they would not ask for women like them to be their security and their drivers are men. If they really believe that women are equal to men, all the first ladies should have women as their security or whenever there is fire outbreak only women firefighters should be release to do the job so we can know the truth.

OrdercityWeb:

Is this all feminism is about?
What wave do you suscribe to?

Feminism is EQUAL RIGHTS FOR MEN AND WOMEN! EQUAL PAY EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES ETC!
But broke little dick heads are intimidated that women can do what men can do.

Take Linda Ikeji for example. A lot of u boys rain all manner of abuses on her. For what reason??
Her success in a predominantly male sphere is so intimidating to u boys.

The average Nigerian man wants a working class chic who is rich still in her twenties and will tolerate all his crap.. where dose that happen??

Odunharry:
This will be interesting.. Many of them who call themselves feminist are just hypocrites. Preaching what they can't do.


It's relevant today though. Feminism in it real sense has done alot of good, from empowerment, self awareness, rights etc etc.

Exactly!!

Shafiiimran99:
There is not nothin like feminism, take it or not. Those who are callin for feminism are ungrateful because of their greediness. They will neva fight to go to war, to do vigilante etc. If they wanted security they would not ask for women like them to be their security and their drivers are men. If they really believe that women are equal to men, all the first ladies should have women as their security or whenever there is fire outbreak only women firefighters should be release to do the job so we can know the truth.

Yellowewest
Pocohantas
Yonce
What do you say to this?

YelloweWest:

Feminism is EQUAL RIGHTS FOR MEN AND WOMEN! EQUAL PAY EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES ETC!
But broke little dick heads are intimidated that women can do what men can do.

Take Linda Ikeji for example. A lot of u boys rain all manner of abuses on her. For what reason??
Her success in a predominantly male sphere is so intimidating to u boys.

The average Nigerian man wants a working class chic who is rich still in her twenties and will tolerate all his crap.. where dose that happen??

No a lot of guys actually want to see their wives work and let everything be 50 50 thereby alleviating stress....for both parties. Each person makes their own money. If husband wants to borrow from wife or vice versa it would be arranged thru a bank letter of credit.

Obalende:
I am for feminism because the girl would work and make her own money and take care of herself with it.... I too will work make mine and take care of myself with it.... if I want to hv children I could think of adoption or hv a baby with her but before the baby we would go to court to swear joint custody agreement/ affidavit in case of any eventuality.

Hmmm, Obalende. E be like say you get touch. No let your papa see what you typed here o. Grow balls and make him proud. Peace!

Yonce:



These roles and responsibilities you talk about, who penned them down? Where is it written that the girl child has a sterotypical role she must fit into. Or even the boy child?

That it's not okay to want something outside the norm for herself because there's a role she must strive to fit into?

Does the boy child have more brain cells than the girl child? Did evolution made his IQ significantly higher than hers?

You have sisters you say, did your parents push them to be what they wanted to be, earn money legitimately, become independent the way they pushed you to? Or did they tell them to depend on men even before they have a ring on their fingers? Or find husbands to take care of them?

Okay then, when do ladies start paying Groom Price, footing Wedding bill, Advocate for Paternity leave for men, propose to men for marriage. I cant wait to see this happen

OrdercityWeb:

Good!
You're balanced. You're not one of those ladies who just joined it as a bandwagon because its a trend now.
These ones no nada about it, they are the ones misinterpreting it. Most of these folks practice misandry and think its feminism.
I call them "Facebook femisnists ".
..
Real femisnists don't necessarily make noise, you see feminism in their words and actions. Selah

I don't do hate tags! Especially when it is misunderstood by people. I believe in fairness and mutual respect.

It's only on NL they call me 'feminist'...their definition of feminist, just because my views don't always agree with theirs. I hate subjugation of humans, I guess that makes me a feminist in the eyes of NL males

YelloweWest:

Love ur humor always.

Just Watch as little broke dick heads will hijack this thread.
As if it's women that made them broke.
To me a true feminist is a woman who works hard enough to buy herself a trophy husband/ boy toy.
Our boys are now professional gigolos. They are ready to lick a woman's anus of she can pay.
Nigerian men are more of gold diggers than women!
The only thing is most of our rich women respect themselves unlike rich men in Nigeria who can sleep with almost anything under skirt.

Hmmm

1. Little
2. broke
3. Dickheads
4. Professional gigolos
5. lick a woman's anus
6. gold diggers
7. sleep with almost anything under skirt

Na wa oh ! Na real wa !!!

Gerrard59:


....and this is the problem I have with today's feminism. People should be appointed to positions not because of the gender but what they contribute and their worth. It is mediocrity to force companies to employ females because of gender parity even when they are not as qualified as the other gender or the pool is small to pick from. Ditto with political positions, a woman who wants to run for an office should do so, and not expect voters' approval because "I'm a woman". Earn the voters' support and not affirmative action.

During the Google and James Damore debacle, it was discovered that there are less women in tech and as such, tech firms should employ more females. But this wrong as it breeds mediocrity, whereby firms have to keep slots for females because of gender parity and not meritocracy. There are few females opting for Computer Science degrees juxtaposed to the male category (culture contributes to an extent), how then can companies employ enough coders, programmers (not Gender Studies graduates) to be same as with males?

By the way, we've many females preachers, inheritance is culture specific and is changing (The Supreme Court did something on that esp for the Igbos circa '03)

The fact that people ask for fairness (whether based on gender, or race) doesn't mean they're pushing mediocrity.

People have biases and where there isn't an active means of maintaining balance people in power tend to favour those who look like them. A man inherently believes a man will do a better job when presented with two candidates (male and female) with exactly the same characteristics.

With respect to your opinion on women in coding kindly read the article below.

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/06/345799830/the-forgotten-female-programmers-who-created-modern-tech

https://iq.intel.com/how-female-eniac-programmers-pioneered-the-software-industry/

jy2kbeyond:


Hmmm, Obalende. E be like say you get touch. No let your papa see what you typed here o. Grow balls and make him proud. Peace!

It's better for everyone to make and spend their own money unless the woman agrees by swearing with the Bible to forsake jezebelic feminist principles and adopt biblical partriarchy principles.


I can't force ppl against their wills....

Obalende:


No a lot of guys actually want to see their wives work and let everything be 50 50 thereby alleviating stress....for both parties. Each person makes their own money. If husband wants to borrow from wife or vice versa it would be arranged thru a bank letter of credit.

You see. This is the hypocrisy from u guys I don't understand.
What exactly to you mean by 50/50?
Just 50/50 in terms of financial obligations?
Dose the woman have as much time as the man to work?
Who will raise the kids??
Will the man agree to do 50% of house chores?

Take me for example. I'm a lawyer but can't work for now cos I'm pregnant. I'll be out of a job for awhile while I nurse my kid.
I have 5 other young children.
My husband is the sole breadwinner every dimr that he makes belongs to our family. HE HAS NEVER COMPLAINED!
though we are quite comfortable money is not an issue cos he is quite successful, I can't imagine my husband asking me to contribute financial.
He brings home the bacon and I cook it! Everyone is happy!
I have businesses that I run which bring me a steady income but my husband does not care about my money! He always calls it groundnut money and that I and the children are his responsibility.
Why is it that men are no longer like this??
This is how my dad was with my mum.
I consider myself very lucky having a husband like my dad. Unlike men who no longer take pride in taking care of their family. Shame!

OrdercityWeb:

Exactly!!

For me I like the real sense. I like when a lady can stand for herself without depending on a guy fully, I like when a lady is aware she's responsible for her happiness. I like ladies who know their worth and also know what they want and how to get it. I like ladies whose Yes is Yes and No is No.

YelloweWest:

Feminism is EQUAL RIGHTS FOR MEN AND WOMEN! EQUAL PAY EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES ETC!
But broke little dick heads are intimidated that women can do what men can do.

Take Linda Ikeji for example. A lot of u boys rain all manner of abuses on her. For what reason??
Her success in a predominantly male sphere is so intimidating to u boys.

The average Nigerian man wants a working class chic who is rich still in her twenties and will tolerate all his crap.. where dose that happen??

You are sounding confrontational. When you do that, you end up not passing your message across.
Take a cue from pocohantas.
....
Now, from all you've said now if men were really against women do you think linda ikeji will get to where she is today?
Is Linda Ikeji the only successful woman?
@the bolded where did you get that from? Did you carry out any research?
You sound like you're talking from experience.
...
One last question, how do you practice feminism personally in your life, what are the things you do that shows you're a feminist?
Cc:pocohantas you know this sis right?

YelloweWest:

You see. This is the hypocrisy from u guys I don't understand.
What exactly to you mean by 50/50?
Just 50/50 in terms of financial obligations?
Dose the woman have as much time as the man to work?
Who will raise the kids??

I can raise my own kids.... I can carry my own baby... no problem.
I can do school runs.

pocohantas:


I don't do hate tags! Especially when it is misunderstood by people. I believe in fairness and mutual respect.

It's only on NL they call me 'feminist'...their definition of feminist, just because my views don't always agree with theirs. I hate subjugation of humans, I guess that makes me a feminist in the eyes of NL males

Exactly!

This is why i believe any one who is humane will be a feminist. You can't blame them, its a defensive position.
Its due to misinterpretations by so called "feminists" or most of them are just insecure.

Odunharry:

For me I like the real sense. I like when a lady can stand for herself without depending on a guy fully, I like when a lady is aware she's responsible for her happiness. I like ladies who know their worth and also know what they want and how to get it. I like ladies whose Yes is Yes and No is No.

Yes i call them "strong women"

They turn me on.

OrdercityWeb:
Feminism as defined by Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism)

"Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to such opportunities for men.

Feminist movements have campaigned and continue to campaign for women's rights, including the right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to earn fair wages or equal pay, to own property, to receive education, to enter contracts, to have equal rights within marriage, and to have maternity leave. Feminists have also worked to promote bodily autonomy and integrity, and to protect women and girls from rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence.[3] Changes in dress and acceptable physical activity have often been part of feminist movements."

Now lets start with the question of "is the woman gender disadvantaged today?"
In our society today especially in Nigeria much preference is given to women today, even in our relationships its the girlfriend that enjoys the fringe benefits. In the wake of any disaster women and children are given preference, yet men have never complained and said this is "inequality".
Considering the definition as obtained from Wikipedia, lets critically look at this:
"to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women"
In Nigeria today Women have social, political, economic, personal, and social rights. Women contest for political positions in Nigeria today, Women are head of coporations in Nigeria today.


"right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to earn fair wages or equal pay, to own property, to receive education, to enter contracts, to have equal rights within marriage, and to have maternity leave"
As earlier stated Women have the right to vote, and earn equal wages with their male counterparts, they own properties and have access to education. Is it realistic to have equal rights in marriage? Can there be 2 leaders at the same time?


"bodily autonomy and integrity, and to protect women and girls from rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence"
Men also suffer rape and domestic violence so why is there a special movement for women on that. Only on the exceptions of religous sections of the country that restrict women's bodily autonomy. At that is an issue with religion not men. right?
.....
Thanks for reading to this point. I have not made any conclusions but i have only drawn realistic applications of feminism in Nigeria today.

I will like to know what you think. Is feminism relevant in Nigeria today? FACTS ONLY INTELLIGENT COMMENTS

Women who really don't know what's feminism is try all there possible best to relate it to something that has to do with family orientation and family equality which in my opinion can never be achieved.

Obalende:


It's good for guys as it will reduce our stress. Also as women will start seeing marriage as evil sleeping around will increase increasing male mating options....

Haha. These are some of the reasons I support feminism. More Fbw.

supersystemsng:


My fear is this debate will destroy many marriages in our generation..its already upon this generation...it's encroaching at an alarming rate...

Back to watch mode

This just like a white man saying apartheid (or slavery) should not be abolished because it would destroy society

XKZ:


This just like a white man saying apartheid (or slavery) should not be abolished because it would destroy society

Elucidate please

HERSLEY:
I am a proud one

WHO GIVES A RAT ASSSzS?......Feminist indeed,know your place woman!!!!!

OrdercityWeb:

Yello wewest
Poco hontas
Yonce
What do you say to this?

He doesn't have a point. He as a man, would he employ a male nanny, despite feeling men are better in all spheres?

Men are victims sometimes.

There are men that are good with roles that have been classified feminine, people don't patronise them well. I remember when male hairdressers came out, no one wanted to use them...with time they showed they were good at it, now they own the biggest beauty shops.

This brings us to another point, women shouldn't expect to be handed every just because they have a vagina, that itself is sexist. Create the enabling environment for everyone, then they must work hard for it and whenever they prove themselves capable for the role...they should be given their due honour and not belittle their efforts because they are women.

Obalende:

I can raise my own kids.... I can carry my own baby... no problem.
I can do school runs.

Can u cook wash plate wash cloths clean house etc. Day after day without ur ego getting in the way??

OrdercityWeb:

Yes i call them "strong women"

They turn me on.

That's just the truth. I have seen few people who claim to be feminist yet never liked the idea of going Dutch during outtin not to talk more of the idea of a lady spending on them, they want guys to take care of their needs, they will be quick to even label guys who doesn't spend on them easily as stingy.

When it comes to spending, A man must be a man to them. Lol.

XKZ:


The fact that people ask for fairness (whether based on gender, or race) doesn't mean they're pushing mediocrity.

People have biases and where there isn't an active means of maintaining balance people in power tend to favour those who look like them. A man inherently believes a man will do a better job when presented with two candidates (male and female) with exactly the same characteristics.

With respect to your opinion on women in coding kindly read the article below.

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/06/345799830/the-forgotten-female-programmers-who-created-modern-tech

https://iq.intel.com/how-female-eniac-programmers-pioneered-the-software-industry/

I can understand the biases (same applies to female executives). However, affirmative action does not solve it. As businesses, the aim is to make profit. If a recruiter believes employing a (fe)male will do the job and brings forth profits, so be it.

No doubt, females pioneered the industry. However, we have less females opting for Computer Science, Mathematics, Physics degrees, which are the disciplines these firms recruit their technical hands from. Instead of stipulating laws and creating spaces, young lasses should be encouraged to study such courses/disciplines and invariably, firms will have a wider pool to pick/choose from.

How come no one demands gender parity in welding, truck-driving, construction jobs?

These are not issues we give da 'hoots' about here in nigeria. These are oyibo people's problems. Some over sabi pple might come up with the idea once in a while but they all know it's a 'leap in the dark'

but wait oh.... Can a man really be raped??

talk2hb1:

Okay then, when do ladies start paying Groom Price, footing Wedding bill, Advocate for Paternity leave for men, propose to men for marriage. I cant wait to see this happen

Bride price comes from the groom's side
Dowry comes from the bride's side
The society you live in determines which is required. And even in countries like India where a dowry is expected from the bride there is still gender inequality directed at women.
Point is, it is not about the money.

Paternity leave – Men don't get pregnant

Proposal – Society frowns on women proposing and that's why they probably don't do it (it's part of the inequality that needs to be tackled). But even then some women have done that.

Odunharry:

That's just the truth. I have seen few people who claim to be feminist yet never liked the idea of going Dutch during outtin not to talk more of the idea of a lady spending on them, they want guys to take care of their needs, they will be quick to even label guys who doesn't spend on them easily as stingy.

When it comes to spending, A man must be a man to them. Lol.

Those ones are scam. They claim feminism when its convinient for them

Odunharry:

That's just the truth. I have seen few people who claim to be feminist yet never liked the idea of going Dutch during outtin not to talk more of the idea of a lady spending on them, they want guys to take care of their needs, they will be quick to even label guys who doesn't spend on them easily as stingy.

When it comes to spending, A man must be a man to them. Lol.

Most nigerian men don't like going dutch, it bruises their ego. I only read it on NL, in reality...lots of them don't like it.

So far it isn't overdone, they like that damsel in distress, it makes them feel in charge...fact!!

Gerrard59:


I can understand the biases (same applies to female executives). However, affirmative action does not solve it. As businesses, the aim is to make profit. If a recruiter believes employing a (fe)male will do the job and brings forth profits, so be it.

No doubt, females pioneered the industry. However, we have less females opting for Computer Science, Mathematics, Physics degrees, which are the disciplines these firms recruit their technical hands from. Instead of stipulating laws and creating spaces, young lasses should be encouraged to study such courses/disciplines and invariably, firms will have a wider pool to pick/choose from.

How come no one demands gender parity in welding, truck-driving, construction jobs?

How come no one claims superiority in cleaning, washing, cooking, going to market, being servile to inlaws.

Like, 'I am the man...I am superior, I will do all house chores 5days in a week, rest...you're the weaker vessel'

pocohantas:


He doesn't have a point. He as a man, would he employ a male nanny, despite feeling men are better in all spheres?

Men are victims sometimes.

There are men that are good with roles that have been classified feminine, people don't patronise them well. I remember when male hairdressers came out, no one wanted to use them...with time they showed they were good at it, now they own the biggest beauty shops.

This brings us to another point, women shouldn't expect to be handed every just because they have a vagina, that itself is sexist. Create the enabling environment for everyone, then they must work hard for it and whenever they prove themselves capable for the role...they should be given their due honour and not belittle their efforts because they are women.

Jeez!
You're good. You're sound!
You know what you're doing.
Is there anyone else left to counter this lady?

pocohantas:


This brings us to another point, women shouldn't expect to be handed every just because they have a vagina, that itself is sexist. Create the enabling environment for everyone, then they must work hard for it and whenever they prove themselves capable for the role...they should be given their due honour and not belittle their efforts because they are women.

Gbam!

Not creating spaces here and there. If one is good for the job, do it excellently and be rewarded.