₦airaland Forum

SamzackD:
For quite sometime now there has been an ongoing clamour for Biafra, and it is an ongoing cause that can't be ignored, cause whether you choose to admit or not every Nigerian wants a "Biafra",
In the sense that we want a country that will guarantees the safety of every of its citizens, a country that will make available affordable world class healthcare for every of its citizens, a country were leaders are held accountable to everything they do by its citizens,a country that can make available jobs for its citizens, a country with respect to the rule of law were justice will be available to all irrespective of class, a country where all men are free irrespective of your tribe, class, religious affiliation & beliefs.
And I feel until these can be guaranteed to the people of Nigeria, the agitation for secession will continue.


But as a Nigerian I feel the head of the secession group IPOB has failed to convince me on why I should support the Biafra cause,
Because if you think of it just anybody could yell or cry secession but only a "Leader" can win the hearts of his opposer's not just with words that convinces all Nigerian's but with a plan, like think of it, Biafra is a country that's gonna be built on bigotry, a country that will issue visas to all except the Yoruba's or Hausa's, cause if you observe IPOB members they are more likely to be involved in tribal wars, I've read a couple of hate comments made by the IPOB members here on Nairaland, and there was one made by a user that said 'he can't wait for Biafra to come to fruition, so as to kick out all Yoruba's and Hausa's' , now this got me thinking why should i show support for a country that's not gonna have my interest at heart cause I'm not Igbo, that's just gonna be another Nigeria all over again, IPOB cries of marginalization or being oppressed by a particular tribe but they act like if given the opportunity they would do same,


If we take a look at the greats of this world like Nelson Mandela & Martin Luther king Jnr. you'll find that although they were oppressed cause of their race, they preached equality for all men of diff race,


Martin Luther king Jnr. was quoted saying "...All men should be judged, not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character...", and Nelson Mandela on the other hand allow me to paraphrase was quoted saying "...He didn't just want a South Africa for the blacks but he wanted a south Africa where men of different race can be free to live in.....and if need be this was a cause he was willing to die for..." And that was what won him the heart of the world leaders, Nnamdi Kanu needs to take a clue from the greats that has done it before him , he can't be calling for succession from Nigeria on account of discrimination based on tribe when the country he's fighting for will be no diff from Nigeria,


And I mentioned earlier of Nnamdi Kanu convincing opposser's by being a leader with a plan, like i want to ask why hasn't any IPOB member come out to ask Nnamdi Kanu of plans he has for Biafra or what plan he has to achieve the Biafra cause, because all we keep hearing this guy talk about is how the Nigeria govt is corrupt -'yah we know that', how the Nigeria govt has been marginalizing the Igbo- 'know that already', or how Fulani herdsmen have been killing Nigerian's in their farm and the govt can't say or do anything cause the president is Fulani - 'like dude we know that already', like reciting the woes of the govt would give you what you want, it never can and never will, but rather a plan will.


Cause what I expect of a leader is for him to come out and give us a plan on how he's gonna make Biafra the country with the largest economy in Africa, how he's gonna make sure every Biafran can wake up to a country that guarantees him the safety of his/her life and property,

tell us or rather educate is on how you're gonna make education in Biafra world class and affordable for all state's men, please educate us on how the manpower and brain power of Biafra would change the technology market in Africa, tell us of your plans to make the Biafra military the best in Africa, tell us of what's gonna be of Biafra nuclear program and how it's gonna benefit or protect Africa and her people
Tell us your plan on making Biafra the only country in Africa with veto power, tell us your plan for outta space exploration, give us your plans to end poverty in Biafra and Africa at large, give us your plan on how you are gonna make health care in Biafra world class, give us your plan on how the universities in Biafra would teach and educate world leaders that would shake the world In their given field.


Tell the world of the Biafra you've planned and how its going to be of benefit to the world ,sell this vision to the people that shake the world and watch them give you your Biafra, cause trust me the world already has enough poverty stricken country, and nobody would waste their time dividing Nigeria only to create another Nigeria, and unless you sell them your plans for Biafra everyone's gonna take you for another soon be poor country to feed,

Now trust me I love a revolution but every revolution had a revolutionary leader with a vision and plan to actualise that vision, cause trust me I'll rather stick with the Nigeria I know (maybe bad and all) than go with some Biafra full of uncertainties, only cause the leader failed to plan ahead for the Biafra, so for me Nnamdi Kanu is no leader to me for failing to plan for the future of Biafra.

I HOPE I'VE MADE SENSE
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Episode 2

Who is convincing you? Why should an Igbo man convince you on why you should support Biafra? Did UK convince European Union on why the have to leave.


Oba of Lagos told Igbo to vote his candidate or face extinction, is that a joke? When these people begin to react you become restless.

SamzackD:
Dude I think you've got me wrong, I never tried to demonize Kanu, the guy came into Nigeria at the right time, when the country was in ruins, and he sold Igbo's the idea for Biafra(a country founded because of the 1963 genocide), nd that was revolutionary, cause it was gonna change the course of Nigeria history, but before i can believe in the biafra his selling he needs to tell me why its gonna be diff from the Nigeria we have now

He's not selling Biafra idea to Nigerians, but to Biafrans. If you want to know if he's gained ground with his message, let's try referendum.

getukudo:
You've made your point.

So it's clearly and Igbo agitation. That's all I wanted to know.

I never said it is an Igbo agitation, I said it is for Igbos and the minorities who are comfortable with Igbos. Kanu can agitate on the Igbo side but only a referendum can say supports Biafra.

Okay. So if Akwa Ibom, Cross River, Benue, Bayelsa &
Delta state resolve to stay in Nigeria does that mean the will be no Biafra after the referendum must have taken place.

The referendum is an election like kind of process Abi?

attackgat:
I never said it is an Igbo agitation, I said it is for Igbos and the minorities who are comfortable with Igbos. Kanu can agitate on the Igbo side but only a referendum can say supports Biafra.

SamzackD:
What truth , you mean coming out to show your hatred for the Yoruba by shouting afonja, each time you see a thread about crime instead of calling it as it is which is CRIME you try to affiliate it to a particular tribe

Yorubas! You guys are funny, truly. Who attack others on the media like you guys? Now, others are getting back at you, you're sounding frustrated.

kernel505:
Yorubas! You guys are funny, truly. Who attack others on the media like you guys? Now, others are getting back at you, you're sounding frustrated.

Lol

I'm not Yoruba, infact I'm more Igbo than I'm Yoruba, and one thing I'll never stand for is tribalism, I respect all tribes and can never hate on anyone for being from a particular trbe, that's petty and I don't do petty

kernel505:
He's not selling Biafra idea to Nigerians, but to Biafrans. If you want to know if he's gained ground with his message, let's try referendum.

You are just proving my point for me, the whole idea of Biafra sounds tribalistic and only Igbo who can't see beyond their nose would want a country that preaches tribalism,


And I'll say this if you want your Biafra take away tribalism and get a plan that will make you diff from Nigeria if not you guys are DOA.

I did not ask for your falsehoods and vain explanations. I said MENTION other tribes that had been continued to get singled out for state sponsored massacre since the last 70 years.

Justifying Bello's and Akintola's igbo-hating bigotry in your fake ONE Nigeria is typical of folks like you. And that's why you will never be in lack of equal nemesis in the forms of IPOB and Kanu.

I'm sure you also endorse the quit notice issued by Arewa Youths in furtherance of the anti-igbo growth that was institutionalized by Bello whom you so adore.


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Obi1kenobi:
Plenty of violence in the North often ropes in any Southerner or even Northern Christians. We're all the same to almajiri, blood-thirsty savages. That is irrelevant to Kanu's cause. Your Biafran paradise wouldn't stop it either because Igbos will remain in the North. 40 million Igbos are not going to pack themselves in a combined SE landmass about the size of Oyo state.

Ahmadu Bello resented the fact Igbos dominated civil service in the Northern region and he sought to reverse that. I saw nothing hateful about his speech. Imo and Abia state sacked each other's non-indigenous workers some years ago. Far back in the 80's, Enugu state sacked Anambra workers en mass. I wasn't born then, but my mum who is from Agulu told me that's how she lost her teaching job in Enugu, so she proceeded to study law in UNN and spent the rest of her career in FIRS.

Whatever grievances you may have with the Nigerian status quo does not justify the abhorrent behaviour and utterances of IPOB. And does absolutely nothing to improve your standing in Nigeria.

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You will only see Biafra happen but won't partake of it.
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SamzackD:
You are just proving my point for me, the whole idea of Biafra sounds tribalistic and only Igbo who can't see beyond their nose would want a country that preaches tribalism,


And I'll say this if you want your Biafra take away tribalism and get a plan that will make you diff from Nigeria if not you guys are DOA.

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kernel505:
Episode 2

Who is convincing you? Why should an Igbo man convince you on why you should support Biafra? Did UK convince European Union on why the have to leave.


Oba of Lagos told Igbo to vote his candidate or face extinction, is that a joke? When these people begin to react you become restless.

You think Biafra can just exist as a stand alone country, you think one day buhari will just wake up and give you your Biafra , the international community you guys keep crying for to notice you do you think they will give thought to your ideology or pleas without convincing them on why your biafra would be diff from Nigeria and how it would be of benefit to the world,

Dude we have enough third world country for anybody to think, of dividing Nigeria to create another

Obi1kenobi:
Nigeria is the armpits of the earth. Your Biafran fantasy would be an even more hellish enclave. The simple economics involved tells me so. I don't deceive myself. So no, I'm not singing "NIGERIA". Nobody with sense boasts about being Nigerian. And yet, with all its flaws, it allows millions of Igbos in every corner of the country to profit from it. You could probably find an Igbo man doing his business in Sambisa forest.

It's interesting you pointing out Kanu is not my problem. I could tell you the Nigerian federation is not your problem when you can't even hold your state governors and local government chairmen and councilors responsible for their incompetence and looting of your resources. You have not tackled all the evident structural and systemics problems with governance in your own region, and yet, you think your Biafran paradise will magically create a change.

That's it bro, everything happening right now just show's that Biafra would turn out to be worse than Nigeria

State singled out massacre? But I want to ask, is it only Igbos that are singled out for killings? I believe we have other Christians from the South who were killed in this massacres you have knowledge about.
You should state facts and not engage in insulting anybody who doesn't agree with you on Biafra.

paschu:
I did not ask for your falsehoods and vain explanations. I said MENTION other tribes that had been continued to get singled out for state sponsored massacre since the last 70 years.

Justifying Bello's and Akintola's igbo-hating bigotry in your fake ONE Nigeria is typical of folks like you. And that's why you will never be in lack of equal nemesis in the forms of IPOB and Kanu.

I'm sure you also endorse the quit notice issued by Arewa Youths in furtherance of the anti-igbo growth that was institutionalized by Bello whom you so adore.

getukudo:
They are 300+ tribes in Nigeria and out of this we have only 3 major tribes, Yoruba, Igbo & Hausa.

Out of the three, they are only two prosperous amongst them in terms of Business, Education etc. Which are the Igbos & Yorubas.

The Igbos on the other hand have been the major benefactors of this Nigeria. There is virtually no where you go that you won't find an Igbo man. They've been at the forefront of business, education, healthcare, science & technology, name it. Likewise the Yorubas as well.

I don't think the Igbos have been marginalised in any government, from past senate presidents to ministers etc. If they say they are marginalised, what then would the Obudu man, efik, Ibibio, Oron, Itsekiris, urhobo, Bini, ijaw, ikwerre, idoma, nupe and others say.

There's actually something hidden behind this agitations and it will reveal itself. My thinking is this, it's POLITICAL because this agitations started immediately after the Jonathan's administration when Buhari took over the helm of affairs. Because, the level of hatred for the President is quite enormous, even IBB, Abdusalam Abubakar & Sani Abacha were not this hated by the Igbos.

Well, the agitations is purely Igbos vs Hausa/Fulani long standing hatred for each other and 5 generations to come won't see this feud ending. Because all I keep hearing the Igbos here on nairaland saying is 'Hausa/Fulani' 'Zoogeria' and Slaves. Well, the slave is the one fighting to be free...Lol.

Lastly, I pray the Biafra comes into fruition so we can see if it will actually be a solution to the Igbos problem.

Word bro! They are building their country on hopes, and that's what has gotten Nigeria were it is today,

Visionless leaders, leaders without a plan.

Obi1kenobi:
I'm already outside Igboland, so I don't need to go to any Zamfara. I have an older sister in the UK that is a fanatical IPOB supporter: yet, she and the husband are planning to relocate and start a business in Lagos and are building a house in Lekki, instead of her Biafran paradise. Infact, the funny girl once came back for an uncle's funeral in Oraukwu in Anambra, and refused to stay in our home because of her fear of being kidnapped. She stayed in a hotel throughout. I don't need to dictate anything when reality is staring you in the face about your failed movement.

I'm also not a dictator like our director.

at those pics damn! how low could people sink as to kiss the feet of a man, and its pure arrogance for him to let them do that,


the entire Biafra dream is just gonna turn out to be an empire ruled by a dictator called Kanu, cause he's just gonna impose his plan's and ideologies on his followers.

paschu:
You will only see Biafra happen but won't partake of it.

the question here is ' IF ' Biafra comes to fruition cause there is no plan to actualise that dream and that's as good as not having a dream at all

attackgat:
I think you are mistaken the role of Nnamdi Kanu. Let me use the example Nnamdi Azikiwe.

Zik was a man who went abroad and studied. He returned to Africa and opened a Newspaper business in Ghana with which he used to attack the colonial government of Nigeria and insisted that indigenous Nigerians should be independent and running their own country. Zik later moved to Nigeria in the late 30's and carried on his fight for independence along with others and on the 1st of October 1960, Nigeria got independence. Nigeria still celebrates independence day.

The story of Zik and Kanu is not that different. Like Zik, kanu sent to study abroad and later opened a radio station from which he attacked the Nigerian government insisting that indigenous Igbos and the minorities who are comfortable with Igbos should be independent. Kanu later later returned to Nigeria to fight for what he believes in.

The job of Zik and Kanu is not to tell the people how the future will be or paint a rosy picture. Their job was to bring independence. Their selling point is self determination, independence and freedom. When you are free and in control of your destiny, you go and find a Rosy future.

Kanu's job is not to provide anyone with a vision of Biafra, Kanu's own vision is that of independence and freedom.

As an Igbo man, my duty is to look at Nigeria and ask myself if we Igbos can do better on our own or as a part of Nigeria. The 57 year old disasterous history of Nigeria convinces me that it is time for Igbos to be independent and manage our affairs. I believe we shall do much better outside Nigeria on our own. Nigeria for me is a complete disaster of a nation heading nowhere so it is time to try something else.

Kanu is only a freedom fighter, his job is only to get a referendum for Biafra. When the referendum comes, it is for us to choose which way we want to go. If we choose Biafra, we go with it and try to make it work.

Kanu's job ends with referendum, we then choose our future.

Lol

you just made my point for me,

you said Zik fought for our independence from the GB(Great Britain) without a plan and look at us today,

now compare what Kanu is doing to what Zik did and you'll find out Biafra is only gonna turn out to be worse than Nigeria.

victorDanladi:
Is that why nnamdi kanu started calling his sisters and mothers prostitutes?
This one thinks everyone gets one human being he worships like they worship as god nnamdi kanu

To hell with nnamd kanu,to hell with buhari himself

Hang yourself if you wish. Nnamdi Kanu is great. He is greater than awolowo.

GrandGarcon:
Hang yourself if you wish. Nnamdi Kanu is great. He is greater than awolowo.

..stop telling me what I know.when someone is greater than jesus to the IPOBs,why wouldnt he be greater than awolowo

SamzackD:
You think Biafra can just exist as a stand alone country, you think one day buhari will just wake up and give you your Biafra , the international community you guys keep crying for to notice you do you think they will give thought to your ideology or pleas without convincing them on why your biafra would be diff from Nigeria and how it would be of benefit to the world,

Dude we have enough third world country for anybody to think, of dividing Nigeria to create another

If Zimbabwe has a better illiteracy rate, and North Korea has a better GDP per person than Nigeria in the face global sanctions, then there's nothing to be proud of in Nigeria.

SamzackD:


Lol

you just made my point for me,

you said Zik fought for our independence from the GB(Great Britain) without a plan and look at us today,

now compare what Kanu is doing to what Zik did and you'll find out Biafra is only gonna turn out to be worse than Nigeria.

Theres no way Nigeria can work, plan or no plan. Yoruba/Igbo/Hausa have very different ideas about what a nation and neither 3 are united about anything.

Nobody can make Nigeria right, it is too divided.

But Biafra has a chance. That is why as soon as Biafra is agreed on, a sovereign national conference must convened in which all the ethnic groups discuss and decide what form government, restructuring, resource control, revenue sharing formular, devolution of power as well as a constitution reflective of the people. All these things are not possible in Nigeria as the North will never allow it.

SamzackD:
You are just proving my point for me, the whole idea of Biafra sounds tribalistic and only Igbo who can't see beyond their nose would want a country that preaches tribalism,


And I'll say this if you want your Biafra take away tribalism and get a plan that will make you diff from Nigeria if not you guys are DOA.

Are you more concerned about Biafra than your Nigeria, that's battling recession, lack of employment and terrorism?

Charity begins at home, write editorials on the way forward in Nigeria, and leave Biafra out of your hate and scrutiny.

I do not give a hoot what you believe or think. I said, MENTION another tribe. Simple. The fact that you could not do that underscores your hypocricy towards the agitation.


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getukudo:
State singled out massacre? But I want to ask, is it only Igbos that are singled out for killings? I believe we have other Christians from the South who were killed in this massacres you have knowledge about.
You should state facts and not engage in insulting anybody who doesn't agree with you on Biafra.

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paschu:
I did not ask for your falsehoods and vain explanations. I said MENTION other tribes that had been continued to get singled out for state sponsored massacre since the last 70 years.

Justifying Bello's and Akintola's igbo-hating bigotry in your fake ONE Nigeria is typical of folks like you. And that's why you will never be in lack of equal nemesis in the forms of IPOB and Kanu.

I'm sure you also endorse the quit notice issued by Arewa Youths in furtherance of the anti-igbo growth that was institutionalized by Bello whom you so adore.

You asked me if I've read Ahmadu Bello's and Akintola's comments before didn't you? Abi you can't comprehend your own posts again?

Ahmadu Bello and Akintola's comments are no more bigoted than you'll hear from Igbos about other fellow Igbos. I schooled in UNN and if I saved one naira every time an Enugu man said something prejudicial or bigoted about Anambra people, I'd have my own private jet by now.

Kanu and his IPOB zombie followers are only a "nemesi"s to themselves. I only pity those that will be led off the cliff by him and his fantasies. And no, I don't endorse the Arewa youths. I reserved even more criticism for them than your charlatan leader. I comment on IPOB zombies more because they make more noise.

No time for self-loathing idiots.


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Obi1kenobi:
You asked me if I've read Ahmadu Bello's and Akintola's comments before didn't you? Abi you can't comprehend your own posts again?

Ahmadu Bello and Akintola's comments are no more bigoted than you'll hear from Igbos about other fellow Igbos. I schooled in UNN and if I saved one naira every time an Enugu man said something prejudicial or bigoted about Anambra people, I'd have my own private jet by now.

Kanu and his IPOB zombie followers are only a "nemesi"s to themselves. I only pity those that will be led off the cliff by him and his fantasies. And no, I don't endorse the Arewa youths. I reserved even more criticism for them than your charlatan leader. I comment on IPOB zombies more because they make more noise.

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kernel505:
Are you more concerned about Biafra than your Nigeria, that's battling recession, lack of employment and terrorism?

Charity begins at home, write editorials on the way forward in Nigeria, and leave Biafra out of your hate and scrutiny.

we both know Nigeria is failed, what I'm saying here is if you want a country diff from Nigeria then plan for a country diff from Nigeria

paschu:
No time for self-loathing idiots.

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after failing to defeat him with arguments you resort to insults

attackgat:
Theres no way Nigeria can work, plan or no plan. Yoruba/Igbo/Hausa have very different ideas about what a nation and neither 3 are united about anything.

Nobody can make Nigeria right, it is too divided.

But Biafra has a chance. That is why as soon as Biafra is agreed on, a sovereign national conference must convened in which all the ethnic groups discuss and decide what form government, restructuring, resource control, revenue sharing formular, devolution of power as well as a constitution reflective of the people. All these things are not possible in Nigeria as the North will never allow it.

you're talking like Hausa is some dude that sits on some throne and control the affairs of Nigeria,


dude keep sentiments apart we both know that our selfish politicians (Igbos, yorubas & hausas included) in Nigeria are the reason why there would be no restructuring,

cause the system benefits them

Which argument?

I asked the self-loather to mention other ethnic groups which have been consistently singled out for significantly state endorsed massacre, hate and demonization in this country since the past 70 years.

Since he remains unable to mention any of such other ethnic groups, I have no time for his arrant idiocy and incoherent rants.

SamzackD:
after failing to defeat him with arguments you resort to insults

kernel505:
If Zimbabwe has a better illiteracy rate, and North Korea has a better GDP per person than Nigeria in the face global sanctions, then there's nothing to be proud of in Nigeria.

dude those countries have nothing to write home about, high literacy rate you say and yet there is high rate poverty where human rights are not respected, so pls don't use NK & Zimbabwe to base your arguments

Well, your reply says it all.

paschu:
I do not give a hoot what you believe or think. I said, MENTION another tribe. Simple. The fact that you could not do that underscores your hypocricy towards the agitation.

paschu:
Which argument?

I asked the self-loather to mention other ethnic groups which have been consistently singled out for significantly state endorsed massacre, hate and demonization in this country since the past 70 years.

Since he remains unable to mention any of such other ethnic groups, I have no time for his arrant idiocy and incoherent rants.

dude nobody is singling you out for anything, quit looking for propaganda were there is none

You are grossly ignorant of your history.

SamzackD:
dude nobody is singling you out for anything, quit looking for propaganda were there is none