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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by iSpread(m): 10:44am On Sep 17, 2017
PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO HIM, IT IS A GOSPEL OF SALVATION, A MESSAGE OF LOVE. DO NOT CONDEMN HIM OR HER.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by lanrejoe10: 10:44am On Sep 17, 2017
I'll advise...you leave such fellas alone before they start seeing you as an enemy they must defeat
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by 0m0nnakoda: 10:46am On Sep 17, 2017
omojeesu:


What is motivating you? It MUST BE LOVE & COMPASSION.

Begin and CONTINUE with SERIOUS INTERCESSION. Be a Friend indeed if not already.

Know The Word well.

Know The Core beliefs of the Cult and how to respond to them.
Is pentecostal Chritianity not a cult? In every aspect it resembles a cult.
Does not allow members to think independently
Works at indoctrination of its followers
Seeks to dominate and control its followers
Demands total obedience of its followers
Seeks to control their financial resources and behaviour
Creates the "we are your family" atmosphere asking its followers to dissociate from the world or any persons who may be a threat to them being controlled by the organization.
The level of mind control is total. If they saw a video of their leader committing murder they will defend him saying the person deserved to die or it was photoshopped.
Which one of these churches has not been involved in one Miracle Revival Scam or the other . NONE!!
They have ALL without exception come on TV to project one fake healing miracle or the other and to project one fake prophesy or the other.

Do not be deceived Pentecostal churches are 100% cults

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by free2ryhme: 10:47am On Sep 17, 2017
OLAADEGBU:



Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 7 September 2014 ·
www.livingwaters.com

just preach and let the Holyspirit do his work

Dont second guess every move of the Spirit
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Chuukwudi(m): 10:47am On Sep 17, 2017
chalantmike:
yhu don't, the average occultist can make yhur religious knowledge look very stupid, because they've transcended that realm of knowledge. an occultist, at least a real occultist is a scientist of nature, what that means is he works with knowledge of how the universe is, that include religion, depending on their upbringing, an occultist has very very very God theological knowledge of the bible or the Korean,in most cases both, he knows the Bible to the very skeleton, cause an occultist works with the bible,many occultic ritual were dug out n manufactured from the bible, that is why the real name of Christianity is neopagan religion, it means new age pagan religion.

the average Christian can not compete with that realm of knowledge, cause an occultist exist on the realm of logic and creativity, seriously an occultist will explain the bible for yhu like its 1 + 1,if he wants too.

simply put in a Christianity dimension an occultist is an individual "Christian" who bypass the holy spirit in other to access certain information, use certain spiritual laws.

depending on the background an occultist is actually a Christian.

for example an occultist believes that Christ died on the cross for the redemption of his sin, Christ also was risen on the third day etc. buh every fundamental truth a Christian believes an occultist believes in them too

"depending on the background, and speciality of the individual occultist".

but he/she will tell yhu his not a Christian because his not bounded by yhur laws and logic, he has transcended those laws,those Christian laws, he resonates above them.

and his 100% right, because the law is not what makes one a Christian, but by the confession of the mouth and believe in heart, that's what makes one a Christian.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

buh most Christian do not know that, its not the laws of right n wrong that makes on a Christian, they hear it,buh they don't know it.

and occultist does, cause he sees every loophole in the bible.

so bros, it would be very difficult to convince an occultist, very very difficult because by the spiritual law and in the realm of logic his higher than yhu, buh everything is not logic.






You speak from the spirit.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by RALPHOW(m): 10:52am On Sep 17, 2017
1. Let them know Christianity is not religion of the white, in fact whites were more occultist than the African, all the days of the week are named after their God (majority of them believed Christian is from whites)
2 The entire world was beseeched by darkness , cultisim and ritualism from kingdom of devil.
3 . Just about 2050 years ago God had mercy on humanity (before final condemnation to hell fire) and sent His only begotten son to deliver humanity ( He make it a choice)back to heavily kingdom.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Originalsly: 10:53am On Sep 17, 2017
You say what you have to say and keep it moving....like Jehovah Witnesses... do they ever care if you're politician, thief or occultist? When the farmer scatters the seeds not all will fall on fertile ground. If you want to engage the occultist... make sure you have studied the Bible well....not read...studied.

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by chivic(m): 10:54am On Sep 17, 2017
First of all its not you that convicts but the holy spirit. pray well and get direction.He(the holy spirit)will give you wisdom.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by ensamy(m): 10:57am On Sep 17, 2017
chalantmike:
yhu don't, the average occultist can make yhur religious knowledge look very stupid, because they've transcended that realm of knowledge. an occultist, at least a real occultist is a scientist of nature, what that means is he works with knowledge of how the universe is, that include religion, depending on their upbringing, an occultist has very very very God theological knowledge of the bible or the Korean,in most cases both, he knows the Bible to the very skeleton, cause an occultist works with the bible,many occultic ritual were dug out n manufactured from the bible, that is why the real name of Christianity is neopagan religion, it means new age pagan religion.

the average Christian can not compete with that realm of knowledge, cause an occultist exist on the realm of logic and creativity, seriously an occultist will explain the bible for yhu like its 1 + 1,if he wants too.

simply put in a Christianity dimension an occultist is an individual "Christian" who bypass the holy spirit in other to access certain information, use certain spiritual laws.

depending on the background an occultist is actually a Christian.

for example an occultist believes that Christ died on the cross for the redemption of his sin, Christ also was risen on the third day etc. buh every fundamental truth a Christian believes an occultist believes in them too

"depending on the background, and speciality of the individual occultist".

but he/she will tell yhu his not a Christian because his not bounded by yhur laws and logic, he has transcended those laws,those Christian laws, he resonates above them.

and his 100% right, because the law is not what makes one a Christian, but by the confession of the mouth and believe in heart, that's what makes one a Christian.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

buh most Christian do not know that, its not the laws of right n wrong that makes on a Christian, they hear it,buh they don't know it.

and occultist does, cause he sees every loophole in the bible.

so bros, it would be very difficult to convince an occultist, very very difficult because by the spiritual law and in the realm of logic his higher than yhu, buh everything is not logic.



Hahahaha!!! Christ brings all the occultic knowledge and that which is not of Christ to knot.
In John 3:3,4,5 Jesus told Nicodemus he needs to be born again and Nicodemus who thought him being a teacher of the law knew all.
But he didn't understand it.
Christ told him that a wind blows and you can't understand where it's coming from.
Bros, the knowledge of God is only revealed to the prepared mind or a fertile soil. Occultism is not a guarantee to know this things.
My own Dad was a Rosicrucian Amorc for over 40yrs and reached the highest level, but when he came to the knowledge of Christ through my born again younger sister, he wept like a baby for not knowing this all this years.
We burnt every Amorc digest and monograph and destroyed the sanctum.
So SEEK THE HOLY SPIRIT TO REVEAL CHRIST IN YOU. I WAS THERE AN SAW IT ALL.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by gregyboy(m): 11:00am On Sep 17, 2017
for those who loves christ to the bone i have questions which are if the bible was perfect as we see it. then why was it altered... and pages remove and for those who loves thier pastors why do pastor even build a school when the poor people in thier Church cant go and the know Vividly well that they also contributed to the building and lastly is jesus white or a black man or is devil black or white
pls quote me if u have these answers i need it
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Chiedu4Trump: 11:03am On Sep 17, 2017
PAGAN9JA:
I am a person deeply involved in the occult and sorcery. And I have a simple question which is as follows:



If jesus died for our sins, ..then why is he coming back again?

to prepare suya? angry

he should just die and go to hell.

and why did he even die in the first place? they say he died to cleanse us of our sins. so is that another way of saying... christians, now you are free of sin. Go ahead. rape, pillage and plunder to your hearts content.



Clearly our ancestors were deceived. We must return to the GODS! angry

MODS
if someone had written this rubbish about mohammed, the person would be banned

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Boyooosa(m): 11:06am On Sep 17, 2017
A christian might find it difficult to be a true christian than a sorcerer you know?
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by 0m0nnakoda: 11:13am On Sep 17, 2017
RALPHOW:
1. Let them know Christianity is not religion of the white, in fact whites were more occultist than the African, all the days of the week are named after their God (majority of them believed Christian is from whites)
2 The entire world was beseeched by darkness , cultisim and ritualism from kingdom of devil.
3 . Just about 2050 years ago God had mercy on humanity (before final condemnation to hell fire) and sent His only begotten son to deliver humanity ( He make it a choice)back to heavily kingdom.

Actually Christianity is a religion of the whites. Have you ever wondered why the New Testament was written in Greek Language. Every Single one of the 27 books was written in Greek. Not in Hebrew or Aramaic which Jesus spoke nor even in Latin the language of the Romans but Greek.

When and where did the authors of the New Testament learn Greek

The fact of the Matter is the ideas of Jesus Christ did not have to result in a new religion for Jews of which Jesus was one. But the doctrine of Judaism till today does not proseletyze and seeks no converts it is based firmly on the idea of a chosen people and Gentiles .The Europeans created Christianity to validate themselves and their cultural ideas such as monogamy e.g. (Jew were polygamous) also so they could continue eating pork and avoid circumcision and other Jewish strictures . It is not politically wise for your gods or God to be in foreign lands and so they Europeanized the teachings to accommodate their own way of life.

The Arabs realized this fact and created Islam based on the core Jewish values . The Jewish practice was regarded as superior but still the Jews had no interest in converting Arabs and generally looked down on them because they worshipped "many gods"
So the Muslims had to create THEIR OWN which at its core is not very different from Judaism except that it seeks to converts others while Judaism actively seeks to persuade Gentiles NOT to embrace Judaism

Let me ask the follow follow Nigerian Christians " Why are you circumcised? Why will you circumcise your children? Have you ever thought about it? Europeans generally do not and it is not a requirement of Christianity? Answer is People do not like to think because that is one of the most painful things a human being can do

Christianity is 100% made in Europe by Europeans for Europeans

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Jatinzbusinessc(m): 11:15am On Sep 17, 2017
Just tell them the Truth. Which is until you accept God as you personal Lord and savior you won't be free.

We Africans are associated with Ancestral being never new what our forefathers worshipped until Christianity came.

To advice no you don't you tell them the Truth it is left for them to accept Christ or not. Accepting Jesus is the best thing that has happened to me.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Nobody: 11:19am On Sep 17, 2017
Hello,

I saw a movie where a guy went to preach to Odunlade and Odunlade showed the guy some telekinesis and asked if Jesus could do it. The guy ran away. What should a Christian have done in that situation?
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Nobody: 11:22am On Sep 17, 2017
OfficialDad:

This one done escape grin
from ur mumu carcus nau..
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by stabilizer: 11:25am On Sep 17, 2017
Here it comes again.. Religion is a weapon of Mass destruction, terrorism, slavery, struggle in pursuit of a certain goals to inspire and achieve their crave for power, influence and domination based on BONDAGE DISCIPLINE SLAVE AND MASTER. Whatever you believe in is your religion, your state of mind is your church while your God is UNKNOWN in as much you don't know where you come from and where you are going to. Play your role in your life with your personal weapon which is sense of reasoning and personal guiding spirit. It's all about Spirits. Your spirit is different from mine. It's annoying and disgusting when you degrade and surpress the will of your spirit to another man's interests /desires. God is not religious but spiritual, its all planned by the first set of wise men who intended to control the world after taking so much weed from eden garden.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by openmine(m): 11:44am On Sep 17, 2017
first don't judge them.....
and lastly, let them see JESUS in ur examples,utterances and lifestyle.....

Remember U are the light of the world.....
Let Ur light(attitude,character) shine before "men"(Unbelievers) so that they may SEE and give glory to God not U!!
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Nobody: 11:47am On Sep 17, 2017
chalantmike:
yhu don't, the average occultist can make yhur religious knowledge look very stupid, because they've transcended that realm of knowledge. an occultist, at least a real occultist is a scientist of nature, what that means is he works with knowledge of how the universe is, that include religion, depending on their upbringing, an occultist has very very very God theological knowledge of the bible or the Korean,in most cases both, he knows the Bible to the very skeleton, cause an occultist works with the bible,many occultic ritual were dug out n manufactured from the bible, that is why the real name of Christianity is neopagan religion, it means new age pagan religion.

the average Christian can not compete with that realm of knowledge, cause an occultist exist on the realm of logic and creativity, seriously an occultist will explain the bible for yhu like its 1 + 1,if he wants too.

simply put in a Christianity dimension an occultist is an individual "Christian" who bypass the holy spirit in other to access certain information, use certain spiritual laws.

depending on the background an occultist is actually a Christian.

for example an occultist believes that Christ died on the cross for the redemption of his sin, Christ also was risen on the third day etc. buh every fundamental truth a Christian believes an occultist believes in them too

"depending on the background, and speciality of the individual occultist".

but he/she will tell yhu his not a Christian because his not bounded by yhur laws and logic, he has transcended those laws,those Christian laws, he resonates above them.

and his 100% right, because the law is not what makes one a Christian, but by the confession of the mouth and believe in heart, that's what makes one a Christian.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

buh most Christian do not know that, its not the laws of right n wrong that makes on a Christian, they hear it,buh they don't know it.

and occultist does, cause he sees every loophole in the bible.

so bros, it would be very difficult to convince an occultist, very very difficult because by the spiritual law and in the realm of logic his higher than yhu, buh everything is not logic.

Guy which kind poo talk is this? You claim you're not an initiate yet you went ahead to explain everything about the initiate. So which one is it?

As for bypassing the holy spirit. Chai!!! Who is feeding you such lies?
Occultist a christian? Having special knowledge? Abeg try talk something better. Which kind yeye talk be this. And some people will take this rubbish to heart.

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Nobody: 11:54am On Sep 17, 2017
Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart "There is no God".

Whether you like it or not, you'll still face the Judgment throne of God. While you're on earth in old age filled with emptiness, depression and dissatisfaction, you will come to realize the word of God is true...

Jesus is coming back again as a Judge of the earth. When he was on earth, he died for our sins for us to be reedemed back to God and only whosoever believes in his death and resurrection is saved. Right now, it's our high Priest in heaven interceeding for Believers.

As a Believer, by the continuous renewing of our mind by hearing and obeying the word of the Lord, Sin holds no part in us




PAGAN9JA:
I am a person deeply involved in the occult and sorcery. And I have a simple question which is as follows:



If jesus died for our sins, ..then why is he coming back again?

to prepare suya? angry

he should just die and go to hell.

and why did he even die in the first place? they say he died to cleanse us of our sins. so is that another way of saying... christians, now you are free of sin. Go ahead. rape, pillage and plunder to your hearts content.



Clearly our ancestors were deceived. We must return to the GODS! angry
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Nobody: 11:54am On Sep 17, 2017
chalantmike:


the clueless ones: are those that just call themselves Christians

the fanatics : are those Aimee with knowledge of the bible, well brainwashed buh little to no spirituality, spirituality is like the soul of Christianity, without that one is like a robot, a Christian robot.

then the sheep : this ones pick the part of the bible that favours them, the brand of heavy hypocrites.


In your other post you said some occult people also call themselves christians, which you have done.

You think you are spiritual but you're only playing with fire. You want to bypass the holy ghost to access deeper knowledge. Say something else.

You pick the bible verse that favours you if not you would know that Yahweh forbids sorcery of all flavours. See the case of the witch of Endor consulted by Saul.


Thank you for describing yourself accurately.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Nobody: 11:59am On Sep 17, 2017
OLAADEGBU:


Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 7 September 2014 · www.livingwaters.com

And who told u that they are occultists n sorcerers
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by supereagle(m): 12:00pm On Sep 17, 2017
OLAADEGBU:



Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 7 September 2014 ·
www.livingwaters.com

Pray for spiritual guidance first.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Obynolee(f): 12:03pm On Sep 17, 2017
OLAADEGBU:



Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 7 September 2014 ·
www.livingwaters.com



Did your Bible tells you that everyone will go to heaven or hell?,
Why can't you mind your business?
His life, his choice.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Themandator: 12:15pm On Sep 17, 2017
chalantmike:
yhu don't, the average occultist can make yhur religious knowledge look very stupid, because they've transcended that realm of knowledge. an occultist, at least a real occultist is a scientist of nature, what that means is he works with knowledge of how the universe is, that include religion, depending on their upbringing, an occultist has very very very God theological knowledge of the bible or the Korean,in most cases both, he knows the Bible to the very skeleton, cause an occultist works with the bible,many occultic ritual were dug out n manufactured from the bible, that is why the real name of Christianity is neopagan religion, it means new age pagan religion.

the average Christian can not compete with that realm of knowledge, cause an occultist exist on the realm of logic and creativity, seriously an occultist will explain the bible for yhu like its 1 + 1,if he wants too.

simply put in a Christianity dimension an occultist is an individual "Christian" who bypass the holy spirit in other to access certain information, use certain spiritual laws.

depending on the background an occultist is actually a Christian.

for example an occultist believes that Christ died on the cross for the redemption of his sin, Christ also was risen on the third day etc. buh every fundamental truth a Christian believes an occultist believes in them too

"depending on the background, and speciality of the individual occultist".

but he/she will tell yhu his not a Christian because his not bounded by yhur laws and logic, he has transcended those laws,those Christian laws, he resonates above them.

and his 100% right, because the law is not what makes one a Christian, but by the confession of the mouth and believe in heart, that's what makes one a Christian.

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

buh most Christian do not know that, its not the laws of right n wrong that makes on a Christian, they hear it,buh they don't know it.

and occultist does, cause he sees every loophole in the bible.

so bros, it would be very difficult to convince an occultist, very very difficult because by the spiritual law and in the realm of logic his higher than yhu, buh everything is not logic.






I don't really understand clearly your presentation ... An occultist believes the Bible and the death of Christ but is not bound by your law ...What law are you then talking about.

I have met and discuss with an occult practitioner and yes, he knew the letters of the Bible but not the spirit and after our meeting he gave me his number and told me he is impressed by my understanding of the scripture and for that he will come to my church

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by Truefaith: 12:17pm On Sep 17, 2017
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by stabilizer: 12:18pm On Sep 17, 2017
Playing with fire... Laughing in coma

TheLordIsGr8:



In your other post you said some occult people also call themselves christians, which you have done.

You think you are spiritual but you're only playing with fire. You want to bypass the holy ghost to access deeper knowledge. Say something else.

You pick the bible verse that favours you if not you would know that Yahweh forbids sorcery of all flavours. See the case of the witch of Endor consulted by Saul.


Thank you for describing yourself accurately.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by stabilizer: 12:21pm On Sep 17, 2017
Do you think there is heaven nor hell? Wake up from your slumber bro. We are in the kingdom of both on earth. Some are currently in their hell while some are already in their heaven. Ask yourself the meaning of unquestionable joy and comfort


Obynolee:




Did your Bible tells you that everyone will go to heaven or hell?,
Why can't you mind your business?
His life, his choice.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by mathew247: 12:22pm On Sep 17, 2017
Just mind your business... My little piece of advice.
Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by PROPHETmichael: 12:31pm On Sep 17, 2017
OLAADEGBU:



Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 7 September 2014 ·
www.livingwaters.com

You don't preach to an occultic person, you show them the demonstration of the superior power of God.
Acts 13:8-12

8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.



So these are the steps in preaching to occult person

1: Demonstrate the power of God.
2:They will be humbled by it and give their life to Christ.
3: Tell them about your Jesus Christ
4: Lead them officially to Christ through the sinners prayer.
5: Do follow up on them.


Without power, Paul's Christianity could've become a mockery in the presence of Elymas the sorcerer.
True power is connected to fasting, prayer and purity.

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by PROPHETmichael: 12:36pm On Sep 17, 2017
iSpread:
PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO HIM, IT IS A GOSPEL OF SALVATION, A MESSAGE OF LOVE. DO NOT CONDEMN HIM OR HER.

When you meet an occultic person, it is not the time to preach Jesus Christ; rather, it is the time to demonstrate Jesus Christ.

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Re: "How Do You Preach To Someone Who Is Deeply Involved In Occultism And Sorcery?" by jayriginal: 12:39pm On Sep 17, 2017
Easy enough.

In the Bible the prophet challenged the messengers of Baal. Just follow that template grin

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