joseph1013:
How can you tell the difference between a thought and a message from God?

If you can't, don't claim you receive messages from God because you cannot possibly know.

If you can, please tell us how.

tundexweb:
@mujtahida,ur observation/post is expository and true.I love that.

Mujtahida:

Thanks
Most people who are atheist now were people who once avidly sought God. I only wonder why this quoted passage come true "No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest." Hebrews 8:11.

Mujtahida:

It might sound ridiculous to Christians but the whole point of hearing from God, hearing God speak was the major reason I left Christianity and regard it as a lie. At a time I was so pressed by a challenging situation in my life, I prayed, I cried out to God, I generally held on to the relevant promises in the Bible for close to six years. I also read (being more of a devotional minded person) from Ancient Christian writers like Augustine, Clement of Alexandria to the modern greats like Charles H. Spurgeon, Watchman Nee, A .W Tozer, Austin Sparks, Kenneth Hagin, E. W Kenyon etc and Jose Maria Escriva and Bishop Fulton Sheen (two excellent catholics and very good writers too) But it got to a time my humanity needed more- I needed to hear a comforting voice, the words in the Bible were too distant and cold and the words of proxy men(pastors and other spiritual writers) offered no reprieve. My soul ached beyond what words can express for just a word, a living word, my heart yearned so much. I listened and listened, my brother it was just coldness and silence. Then I began to wonder what the big deal about an Almighty God directly speaking to my heart, about an all wise God being so cagey about revealing himself. He could send his Son to die(a difficult thing to do) but he cannot speak unmistakably to me (which is the easiest thing for an intelligent being to do, even animals talk) or even in church without a proxy? I was sick in heart trying to live for a god with whom despite being born again I had no heartfelt communication with coupled with the unnecessary strain fighting sin just because I wanted to please an invisible, unspeaking God. I couldn't take it anymore and left even to save myself from going under.

Even though till date I believe in God, I believe he's more like the Sun - present but silent.

The god who runs his mouth on the pages of scriptures is a word created god - he is a fiction, he doesn't exist. Those who claim to hear God are only talking based on the working of the human brain which they don't understand. Everything about Christianity is word induced- from old testament history (many of which are blatantly false and incorrect) the birth of Jesus, to the name, the blood, Holy Spirit etc. Christianity is history and hope :history because we were not there when these incredible things happened and hope in the future where more incredible things will happen. As it stands I am yet to see a snake talk, one man killing 900 people (read David's mighty men 2nd Samuel 23:8-39) a cruise of oil running, loaves of bread multiplying. The world calls them magic, christianity calls them miracles and stakes faith on them. Even at that, Miracle or no miracle, I don't care. Let God speak for faith does not first come by hearing but by God speaking, not in a book, not through proxies but by Himself. Let God speak. Finish

Mujtahida:

Thanks
Most people who are atheist now were people who once avidly sought God. I only wonder when this quoted passage will come true "No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest." Hebrews 8:11.

tundexweb:

You are on point bro.

Mujtahida:

It might sound ridiculous to Christians but the whole point of hearing from God, hearing God speak was the major reason I left Christianity and regard it as a lie. At a time I was so pressed by a challenging situation in my life, I prayed, I cried out to God, I generally held on to the relevant promises in the Bible for close to six years. I also read (being more of a devotional minded person) from Ancient Christian writers like Augustine, Clement of Alexandria to the modern greats like Charles H. Spurgeon, Watchman Nee, A .W Tozer, Austin Sparks, Kenneth Hagin, E. W Kenyon etc and Jose Maria Escriva and Bishop Fulton Sheen (two excellent catholics and very good writers too) But it got to a time my humanity needed more- I needed to hear a comforting voice, the words in the Bible were too distant and cold and the words of proxy men(pastors and other spiritual writers) offered no reprieve. My soul ached beyond what words can express for just a word, a living word, my heart yearned so much. I listened and listened, my brother it was just coldness and silence. Then I began to wonder what the big deal about an Almighty God directly speaking to my heart, about an all wise God being so cagey about revealing himself. He could send his Son to die(a difficult thing to do) but he cannot speak unmistakably to me (which is the easiest thing for an intelligent being to do, even animals talk) or even in church without a proxy? I was sick in heart trying to live for a god with whom despite being born again I had no heartfelt communication with coupled with the unnecessary strain fighting sin just because I wanted to please an invisible, unspeaking God. I couldn't take it anymore and left even to save myself from going under.

Even though till date I believe in God, I believe he's more like the Sun - present but silent.

The god who runs his mouth on the pages of scriptures is a word created god - he is a fiction, he doesn't exist. Those who claim to hear God are only talking based on the working of the human brain which they don't understand. Everything about Christianity is word induced- from old testament history (many of which are blatantly false and incorrect) the birth of Jesus, to the name, the blood, Holy Spirit etc. Christianity is history and hope :history because we were not there when these incredible things happened and hope in the future where more incredible things will happen. As it stands I am yet to see a snake talk, one man killing 900 people (read David's mighty men 2nd Samuel 23:8-39) a cruise of oil running, loaves of bread multiplying. The world calls them magic, christianity calls them miracles and stakes faith on them. Even at that, Miracle or no miracle, I don't care. Let God speak for faith does not first come by hearing but by God speaking, not in a book, not through proxies but by Himself. Let God speak. Finish

joseph1013:

You may want to read Why I Believed by Ken Daniels. Wonderful book.

701ecilana:

Do you have the PDF version pls?

joseph1013:

Send me a PM. It would be my pleasure to send it to anyone who requests.

Mujtahida:

It might sound ridiculous to Christians but the whole point of hearing from God, hearing God speak was the major reason I left Christianity and regard it as a lie. At a time I was so pressed by a challenging situation in my life, I prayed, I cried out to God, I generally held on to the relevant promises in the Bible for close to six years. I also read (being more of a devotional minded person) from Ancient Christian writers like Augustine, Clement of Alexandria to the modern greats like Charles H. Spurgeon, Watchman Nee, A .W Tozer, Austin Sparks, Kenneth Hagin, E. W Kenyon etc and Jose Maria Escriva and Bishop Fulton Sheen (two excellent catholics and very good writers too) But it got to a time my humanity needed more- I needed to hear a comforting voice, the words in the Bible were too distant and cold and the words of proxy men(pastors and other spiritual writers) offered no reprieve. My soul ached beyond what words can express for just a word, a living word, my heart yearned so much. I listened and listened, my brother it was just coldness and silence. Then I began to wonder what the big deal about an Almighty God directly speaking to my heart, about an all wise God being so cagey about revealing himself. He could send his Son to die(a difficult thing to do) but he cannot speak unmistakably to me (which is the easiest thing for an intelligent being to do, even animals talk) or even in church without a proxy? I was sick in heart trying to live for a god with whom despite being born again I had no heartfelt communication with coupled with the unnecessary strain fighting sin just because I wanted to please an invisible, unspeaking God. I couldn't take it anymore and left even to save myself from going under.

Even though till date I believe in God, I believe he's more like the Sun - present but silent.

The god who runs his mouth on the pages of scriptures is a word created god - he is a fiction, he doesn't exist. Those who claim to hear God are only talking based on the working of the human brain which they don't understand. Everything about Christianity is word induced- from old testament history (many of which are blatantly false and incorrect) the birth of Jesus, to the name, the blood, Holy Spirit etc. Christianity is history and hope :history because we were not there when these incredible things happened and hope in the future where more incredible things will happen. As it stands I am yet to see a snake talk, one man killing 900 people (read David's mighty men 2nd Samuel 23:8-39) a cruise of oil running, loaves of bread multiplying. The world calls them magic, christianity calls them miracles and stakes faith on them. Even at that, Miracle or no miracle, I don't care. Let God speak for faith does not first come by hearing but by God speaking, not in a book, not through proxies but by Himself. Let God speak. Finish

701ecilana:
[s][/s]
Were you indeed born again and regenerated Spiritually, or just attending Church?

Were you transformed and renewed spiritually?

You conquered pride and Loved unreservedly?

Do you believe that God owes you anything?

What did you do for him to make you believe he owes you anything?

This is why i asked this; you found the very word of God, the mind of God, cold and distant but read the books written by men yet hoping to hear God speak to you. It's confusing sir.

Here you are, a man with your mind and will, you can do as you plse. You have all i need, you give out an open invitation for everyone who is willing to come to you and take freely, the condition is 'Come by yourself' but instead of coming to you, i decided to come through your servant. but, the invite says, come direct.
Now that i haven't received what you promised, i'm sitting back crying and calling you names. Is that not stupidity on my part?

There's so much in your post that made me decide you wasted your time all the while you thought you were a Christin.

Yes, you were in Church, but sir, you were never in touch. GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF MEN. You'd do it his ways or you do it your way. Choose.


Beside, you are never asked to seek voices. You do not tell God what to do. You do not make demands of God, you not tell God the means he shd relate with you. He created you, he knows the areas He can best communicate with you. You don't tell him to speak you through audible voices.

You never heard God because you wanted to be God over God.

Throughout the Bible, how many people heard the audible voice of God? How many of them demanded that God speak to them audibly? How many of them can you compare your devotion, obidience and commitment to the service of to?

You were in Church, did God know you? Have you read where Jesus said on that day, many shall say to him Lord, i heal the sick in your name, i raised the dead in your name, and he will say to them, Depart from me you workers of iniquity FOR I KNOW YOU NOT?

DID JESUS KNOW YOU?

What is even wrong with these people, taking God for granted? Can you tell satan to relate with you in your specified mode? The occult that you belong to now, do you give orders to your grand master?

Right here a thread is running "The Middle Parth", Go and read how the Op got initiated into one of the Occult groups he belongs to. He was commanded to strip naked in the middle of the road in the afternoon, in a crowded Bangladeshi street and dance like a mad man until the grand master says it's okay, he never questioned it, he went naked, danced as was told.

But you people come to Christianity but the simplest instructions you won't take. You wld rather want to command Jehovah and wen he ignores your arrogance you declare him non existent.

He chooses who he calls, He chooses how He will speak to you that's if you are submitted and obedient to his words (The Bible)

He is the God of all knowledge and by him all actions are weighed.

He knew why you were in Church. If you were there to serve He knew, if you were there to be served by Him, He also knew. And going by your post here, you were in Church for God to serve you. It doesn't work that way.
It's either his way or you get out.



God doesn't owe you shiit. He doesn't need you, you need Him. Now that you have left, it hasn't diminished Him. He remains God. [s][/s]

Mujtahida:

Yawns

joseph1013:

Send me a PM. It would be my pleasure to send it to anyone who requests.

joseph1013:

Send me a PM. It would be my pleasure to send it to anyone who requests.

701ecilana:

If you place it here, it'll be easier for us to download. Thanks.

701ecilana:
Lolzzz. You didn't answer me.

701ecilana:

If you place it here, it'll be easier for us to download. Thanks.

701ecilana:
You cheering up a drawing man, urging him to ahead and kill himself.

ooman:


great, so those who have never head of the bible will not be judged right? they will just go straight to heaven even if they are criminals? Am talking about those whom your gospel never got to in the past before they died.

since

joseph1013:

I sent you a book and you're still asking that I place it here. How do you place a pdf on Nairaland?

tundexweb:

How am i urging him ahead to kill himself nah?

Mujtahida:

You can read it online here: https://infidels.org/library/modern/ken_daniels/why.html

Mujtahida:

Your first paragraph was a put off.

joseph1013:

I sent you a book and you're still asking that I place it here. How do you place a pdf on Nairaland?

Mujtahida:

Yawns. Thank God I am no longer a Christian.

adepeter2027:

You must be very humble for even sending that nuisance a PM containing the link to the book or the PDF itself.

I already knew from the onset that she won't appreciate ya efforts..
On a particular thread like that, our madam stated that - "SHE DOESN'T KEEP ATHEISTS AS FRIENDS NEITHER WOULD SHE GAT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM"....

Next time Mr Joseph, being nice and humble to some Christians does not worth it

701ecilana:


The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Proverbs:8:13

With your mouth, you shall dig your own pit, not mine.

701ecilana:
@Adepeters, it's not my fault that you can't engage anyone in a coherent discussion and i can. Don't you ever think your froward mouth can in any way dent me. I'm a Christian, i make bold to say that anywhere, but listen, I will still beat the hell out of you if try bringing your shiit my way.

I defend the gospel of Jesus Christ, and i will continue to do so, if you hate me for it, Ade, kill yourself because I won't stop.

@Josep-h1013, i only saw a link here to read on line. Not to worry, i will download it.

Pls don't pay any attention to the silly teenager with a dirty mouth.