LordAdam16:


Oga, bring proof and you're talking about anecdotes.

You want me to ignore a Fulani who brought an American University to the North for a Fulani who paid other Fulanis to massacre non-Fulanis?

Grazing bills are dead on arrival. If Buhari can't enforce it on the whole country, not even Dan Fodio can. Atiku can try, but he'll fail.

A Fulani is a Fulani, but there are moderate Fulanis like there are moderate Igbos (the ones who don't want secession but restructuring). Atiku is a moderate Fulani. The others are extremists. That is the point.

For example, Kanu is a far right Igbo. Ezekwesili is a moderate Igbo. Kanu wants secession, Ezekwesili want restructuring. Both of them detest the Operation Python Dance in the South East.

I've gone at length to point out why Atiku is different from the other aspirants. Now can you prove otherwise with facts to back your points?

-Lord

from detribalized fulani to moderate fulani, I laugh in spanish guy I know you are talking politics and let's leave it at that. Atiku is a hard sell and you know what? try and get folks like obj, danjuma, abubakar and ibb to buy into your atiku dream or else it's dead on arrival. You need at least three of those guys support and you will be fine, all these ones wey me and u de talk for nairaland, na wash. It took the support of those guys for PMB to be president and they will also decide who will be next, even atiku himself know say na noise e de make without those guys' support. like it or not, that's how politics roll in Nigeria. If your GEJ had those guy's support, he will still be president by now. chikena

Goke7:


and we should accept that atiku another northerner will come into aso rock and now go against his own people's interest? hmmmm

It is impossible that the north would consider reconstruction if it means equal power sharing both in the senate and lower house. Under this arrangement, they'd become handicapped compared to the major tribes East & West. They'd site their numeric and land mass supremacy.
But they can kiss my arse! they are the most backward region in the whole of Nigeria. Been feasting on the whole economy with nothing to show for it after half a century plus.

BabaRamota1980:
Nothing scares a Northerner much as when told the country will be restructured or break apart.

The Emirs panic when they hear this. They start farting!

I beg to differ, northerners are not afraid of any break up; they were the first to call for it and even repeat same through the Lamido of Adamawa at the GEJ's 2014 sponsored national conference.

In fact currently, the average northerner prefers it, especially after the resurgence of the ongoing insulting IPOB agitations - its only the elites within the north clinging to One Nigeria; otherwise we are tired of dishonest co-travellers who expect the rules of the game be changed midway in the match whenever a goal is scored or about to be scored against them; but otherwise would be quite happy to take a penalty when it favours them..

ItsMeAboki:


I beg to differ, northerners are not afraid of any break up; they were the first to call for it and even repeat same through the Lamido of Adamawa at the GEJ's 2014 sponsored national conference.

In fact currently, the average northerner prefers it, especially after the resurgence of the ongoing insulting IPOB agitations - its only the elites within the north clinging to One Nigeria; otherwise we are tired of dishonest co-travellers who expect the rules of the game be changed midway in the match whenever a goal is scored or about to be scored against them; but otherwise would be quite happy to take a penalty when it favours them..

hmmm interesting!

Viergeachar:


Only loooonatics will attack the messenger and leave the message.

Restructuring/rearrangement means states fending for themselves and paying tribute to the centre.
And also securing themselves.

Why is this so difficult for lazy mischievous loooonatics to comprehend?

Stop getting unnecessarily agitated, naija, you need to shine your eyes. APC was shouting 'Change', 'Change' now we can see that change has different meanings, Buhari is shouting corruption, Nass are saying something else, the Northern Cabal have their own change, Tinubu and the west have their own change, but we the masses thought the change is about Nigeria and making things better. It's all politics, 'Restructuring' is sounding alot like change, Atiku has is own meaning which is 'Restructure me to government', there's a version he's telling the masses, then his party will have their own versions, either APC or pdp or another party, then the north will have their own versions and all other geopolitical zones....it's a complex hopeless country, you can't just take politician by what they say.

LordAdam16:


It is not my idea, but it is a whole lot better than saying restructuring is a no-go area; which is what the North have been saying until the heat became too much.

The question is why did Yar'Adua throw away OBJ's conference report even tho they were from the same party. And why did Buhari throw away GEJ's conference even tho restructuring was in the APC manifesto.

Your argument is that parties would make it happen, and that's wrong. Parties would do whatever it takes to stay in power. The current exercise by APC to collate opinions in all geo-political zones is laying to the gallery. If for some reason the call for restructuring dies down, they'd abandon it.

This is Nigeria. Ideologies don't count. It's all about staying in power, so excuse me if I think that a person who's been calling for restructuring since 1995 deserves to be President because he is the most likely from the present crop of Northern aspirants to restructure the country.

Unless you're saying we should forget restructuring because no party is sincere about it. Every party would be serious about it when it's getting the kind of support it currently is getting. But someone like Buhari might choose not to act on the report or stall and nothing would happen. That's why you need someone who at least shows commitment to the prospect, not someone who says it is beyond his red line.

-Lord

I feel your pain on this topic, man, and believe me, we are largely on the same page.

My point remains that no matter how the president wants it, if the generality of his party don't support it, the president can't restructure the federation. Hence you must not fall for mere sloganeering less you end up dissapointed in an eight years' Atiku reign with no restructuring.

So after listening to your preferred candidate say the right things, listen to his lieutenants, his party members etc because ultimately, the real power that can restructure Nigeria is the national assembly and not the presidency.

That said, you must realise that I am not sold on these whole Atiku thing. It is bad market, as bad as Fayose, and therefore our real presidential aspirants are yet to emerge. The charlatans may reign now but hopefully serious candidates will emerge later.

mpowa:

Stop getting unnecessarily agitated, naija, you need to shine your eyes. APC was shouting 'Change', 'Change' now we can see that change has different meanings, Buhari is shouting corruption, Nass are saying something else, the Northern Cabal have their own change, Tinubu and the west have their own change, but we the masses thought the change is about Nigeria and making things better. It's all politics, 'Restructuring' is sounding alot like change, Atiku has is own meaning wish is 'Restructure me to government', there's a version he's telling the masses, then his party will have their own versions, either APC or pdp or another party, then the north will have their own versions and all other geopolitical zones....it's a complex hopeless country, you can't just take politician by what they say.

thank you jare! you capture the entire movie well, are you a playwright?

Goke7:


from detribalized fulani to moderate fulani, I laugh in spanish guy I know you are talking politics and let's leave it at that. Atiku is a hard sell and you know what? try and get folks like obj, danjuma, abubakar and ibb to buy into your atiku dream or else it's dead on arrival. You need at least three of those guys support and you will be fine, all these ones wey me and u de talk for nairaland, na wash. It took the support of those guys for PMB to be president and they will also decide who will be next, even atiku himself know say na noise e de make without those guys' support. like it or not, that's how politics roll in Nigeria. If your GEJ had those guy's support, he will still be president by now. chikena

Detribalized and moderate are synonyms in the context of my replies. If you can't comprehend don't bother to reply.

I've given you three tries to disprove my comments and you're still beating around the bush. Disprove my comments or stop replying me.

We're not yet talking about the possibility of Atiku winning. That's a different kettle of fish. We're talking about his candidacy versus the other Northern aspirants. I'm saying he is the best choice, you're saying otherwise. I've asked you to back your statements, and you've been dancing about.

A fowl would win the presidency if certain people support it, that is not up for contention. Atiku is only a hard sell to the Northern majority that only want Northern bigots in power and the Southern lackeys who don't care who's in charge as long as the crumbs keep falling.

Atiku is only advancing his candidature for now, the 3 generals have not made up their mind yet. They'd do so next year and every Northern candidate is using between now and then to make their positions known. Atiku only appears to be the outspoken one because he can afford to.

Lamido tried it, CPC arrested him. Kwankwaso tried it, CPC ransacked the house of his brother. el-Rufai tried it, CPC opened his can of worms, and he had to quickly declare fealty to Buhari. CPC actually pre-empted Atiku by going after INTELS, Atiku is only responding in kind.

Let's talk about the candidature now, chances of winning would be the whole topic of 2018.

-Lord

Goke7:


thank you jare! you capture the entire movie well, are you a playwright?

trying to be, naija na correct movie, I'm telling you.

mpowa:

Stop getting unnecessarily agitated, naija, you need to shine your eyes. APC was shouting 'Change', 'Change' now we can see that change has different meanings, Buhari is shouting corruption, Nass are saying something else, the Northern Cabal have their own change, Tinubu and the west have their own change, but we the masses thought the change is about Nigeria and making things better. It's all politics, 'Restructuring' is sounding alot like change, Atiku has is own meaning wish is 'Restructure me to government', there's a version he's telling the masses, then his party will have their own versions, either APC or pdp or another party, then the north will have their own versions and all other geopolitical zones....it's a complex hopeless country, you can't just take politician by what they say.

I am particular about the message this time and not the messenger.

Restructuring is something that unites almost the whole of the south.

Having a few prominent northerners join us will boost our clamour for restructuring and eventually help us get it.

Got it?

kjhova:


I feel your pain on this topic, man, and believe me, we are largely on the same page.

My point remains that no matter how the president wants it, if the generality of his party don't support it, the president can't restructure the federation. Hence you must not fall for mere sloganeering less you end up dissapointed in an eight years' Atiku reign with no restructuring.

So after listening to your preferred candidate say the right things, listen to his lieutenants, his party members etc because ultimately, the real power that can restructure Nigeria is the national assembly and not the presidency.

That said, you must realise that I am not sold on these whole Atiku thing. It is bad market, as bad as Fayose, and therefore our real presidential aspirants are yet to emerge. The charlatans may reign now but hopefully serious candidates will emerge later.

This has been one of my major points on restructuring, until the national assembly is ready, na noise we dey make. We all know that the choristers of restructuring just sees it as the shortest route back to aso rock especially from the parrots' mouths of ffk and fayose

PMB & APC gave 1000000X of promises ATIKU is giving now.... Don't be a fool twice guys
All NA wash..... Him no go do anything..... NA revolution we need for naija from the youths.. Too bad the Northern youths aren't that educated and will continue licking the asses of there Sarki, emirs and other top personalities

kjhova:


I feel your pain on this topic, man, and believe me, we are largely on the same page.

My point remains that no matter how the president wants it, if the generality of his party don't support it, the president can't restructure the federation. Hence you must not fall for mere sloganeering less you end up dissapointed in an eight years' Atiku reign with no restructuring.

So after listening to your preferred candidate say the right things, listen to his lieutenants, his party members etc because ultimately, the real power that can restructure Nigeria is the national assembly and not the presidency.

That said, you must realise that I am not sold on these whole Atiku thing. It is bad market, as bad as Fayose, and therefore our real presidential aspirants are yet to emerge. The charlatans may reign now but hopefully serious candidates will emerge later.

You make valid points.

But this recent outburst for restructuring came from an unlikely source. For a while, it has just been about using restructuring for political gains. Now, it's beyond that. Which is why the APC is picking it from the locker where it has been collecting dust.

PANDEF, Afenifere (and now the SW APC bloc as well), SE Governors Forum (and Ohaneze), and the Middle Belt are asking for restructuring. It's beyond just a bunch of political elements using it for cheap gains. It is a cross-platform, cross-regional agitation, and that is why the North's stance is changing from "over our dead body" to "we'd see what we can do about it."

So, right now, it's about how to restructure, not if restructuring is doable. And I'm saying Atiku is the best bet from the Northern flock who'd make this happen with as little friction as possible, and who is less likely to give a relatively fair deal. Fayose is wasting his time, as are all the other Southern presidential aspirants. 2019 is for the North. That much was made certain in 2015. In fact, I think the aim of Fayose is not to become president, but to build a name for himself.

-Lord

mrvitalis:
Baba Atiku stop beating about the bush

Restructuring is not a clear word , tell us clearly what your idea is and what type of restructuring you are talking about

How would it function and what are the advantages and disadvantages of it

Habba! He stated every damn fact therein or you have issues with grammar?

Viergeachar:


I am particular about the message this time and not the messenger.

Restructuring is something that unites almost the whole of the south.

Having a few prominent northerners join us will boost our clamour for restructuring and eventually help us get it.

Got it?

Okay I get you. I'm all for Restructuring, we need restructuring. The arrangement of this country is skewed and there will always be agitation from different quarters if people feel marginalized,but the process is very important, we must make sure that we didn't just buy shiny wonderful slogan that some politicians wants to use to get into power, both the process and the persons carrying it out must be right or we're back to square one.

LordAdam16:


Detribalized and moderate are synonyms in the context of my replies. If you can't comprehend don't bother to reply.

I've given you three tries to disprove my comments and you're still beating around the bush. Disprove my comments or stop replying me.

We're not yet talking about the possibility of Atiku winning. That's a different kettle of fish. We're talking about his candidacy versus the other Northern aspirants. I'm saying he is the best choice, you're saying otherwise. I've asked you to back your statements, and you've been dancing about.

A fowl would win the presidency if certain people support it, that is not up for contention. Atiku is only a hard sell to the Northern majority that only want Northern bigots in power and the Southern lackeys who don't care who's in charge as long as the crumbs keep falling.

Atiku is only advancing his candidature for now, the 3 generals have not made up their mind yet. They'd do so next year and every Northern candidate is using between now and then to make their positions known. Atiku only appears to be the outspoken one because he can afford to.

Lamido tried it, CPC arrested him. Kwankwaso tried it, CPC ransacked the house of his brother. el-Rufai tried it, CPC opened his can of worms, and he had to quickly declare fealty to Buhari. CPC actually pre-empted Atiku by going after INTELS, Atiku is only responding in kind.

Let's talk about the candidature now, chances of winning would be the whole topic of 2018.

-Lord

you are the one that has refused to see my points like you normally do on this forum cos you are all knowing by your own standard. One of my points is that the present administration is full of atiku goons and that they will only continue from where they stop, you pretend as if you didn't see that one cos you are the all knowing one. Your problem is you always want to win any debate by force despite the opposing views, someone else has also been giving points to counter you still you continue to prove you know better. I have given my points already to prove that the moderate fulani status you are giving atiku na wash. it's up to you to take it or not. But if you are truly reading other people's comments, you will see that not many are sold on this your atiku candidature. There are lots of business interests involved in the atiku thing, whether those interests can risk their business with an atiku candidature remains to be seen but pls I don't intend to be a winner in any debate. like I said earlier, if you love atiku as a person, leave it at that but that he is a better northerner than others is what cannot sell and pls mind your words on me, we've been civil on each other so far but using words like I can't comprehend is unacceptable. Thanks

mrvitalis:
Baba Atiku stop beating about the bush

Restructuring is not a clear word , tell us clearly what your idea is and what type of restructuring you are talking about

How would it function and what are the advantages and disadvantages of it

Please read the article properly. Your answers are there. Don't allow sentiments and prejudices to becloud your sense of reasoning. The man as far as we know have stated the obvious. Others had also said similar things. Please let us learn to address issues and not rant on people's personality. Thank you.

Goke7:


you are the one that has refused to see my points like you normally do on this forum cos you are all knowing by your own standard. One of my points is that the present administration is full of atiku goons and that they will only continue from where they stop, you pretend as if you didn't see that one cos you are the all knowing one. Your problem is you always want to win any debate by force despite the opposing views, someone else has also been giving points to counter you still you continue to prove you know better. I have given my points already to prove that the moderate fulani status you are giving atiku na wash. it's up to you to take it or not. But if you are truly reading other people's comments, you will see that not many are sold on this your atiku candidature. There are lots of business interests involved in the atiku thing, whether those interests can risk their business with an atiku candidature remains to be seen but pls I don't intend to be a winner in any debate. like I said earlier, if you love atiku as a person, leave it at that but that he is a better northerner than others is what cannot sell and pls mind your words on me, we've been civil on each other so far but using words like I can't comprehend is unacceptable. Thanks

Can you kindly list the Atiku goons?

Because the administration is full of far too many goons to get a correct assessment of any chieftain. Many of them switching loyalty depending on what may be happening at any point in time.

You can't say because some of Tinubu's goons are in the government, so it means Tinubu is an eff-up.

You are simply making moot points, because there are no real points to discredit my position.

Anyway let's leave it at that. Who debate epp? In the end, it ain't down to either of us who becomes the President.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Can you kindly list the Atiku goons?

Because the administration is full of far too many goons to get a correct assessment of any chieftain. Many of them switching loyalty depending on what may be happening at any point in time.

You can't say because some of Tinubu's goons are in the government, so it means Tinubu is an eff-up.

You are simply making moot points, because there are no real points to discredit my position.

Anyway let's leave it at that. Who debate epp? In the end, it ain't down to either of us who becomes the President.

-Lord

are you not ware of the three factions that make up APC; CPC NPDP and ACN. Who do you think is the leader of the NPDP? and who controls the national assembly? who make up the national assembly leadership? you think atiku's guys are not in FEC or holds sensitive positions in govt, why do you think they can't get rid of alhassan after her public declaration for atiku? am still making moot points right? why do you think atiku is making so much noise now?

You guys had always believed tinubu is an eff up because he supported PMB but you guys fail to realize and appreciate that some other interests are so visible too. I know you are very much aware but you think so many are not aware of the points I have listed. Atiku's hands are very visible in this govt and many of us know it.

Atiku For 2019

kjhova:


That it is in the party manifesto is no guarantee that it shall be done. That much I agree with you and this is why citizen participation is important to participatory democracy.

If it is not party programme, it is then the less achieveable as it becomes marely the president's pet project which can only succeed peripherally.

Where is this critical mind of yours again?

You are talking about the ideals and not the reality. What is participatory democracy in the context of Nigeria political landscape? So an item being in party programme makes it achievable? So bad you're alien to Nigeria politics.

Goke7:

are you not ware of the three factions that make up APC; CPC NPDP and ACN. Who do you think is the leader of the NPDP? and who controls the national assembly? who make up the national assembly leadership? you think atiku's guys are not in FEC or holds sensitive positions in govt, why do you think they can't get rid of alhassan after her public declaration for atiku? am still making moot points right? why do you think atiku is making so much noise now?

You guys had always believed tinubu is an eff up because he supported PMB but you guys fail to realize and appreciate that some other interests are so visible too. I know you are very much aware but you think so many are not aware of the points I have listed. Atiku's hands are very visible in this govt and many of us know it.

nPDP is led by Saraki. Atiku's contribution to APC is Adamawa and funds (which according to some sources isn't that much).

Nat'l Assembly is controlled by Saraki. Saraki is loyal to no one but himself.

To the next question, see the previous answer.

I know Atiku's people are in the government, that's why I asked you to list them, because last I checked they weren't as many as the CPC or APC elements.

Tinubu made an unforgivable mistake for supporting Buhari, that much I've never denied. But it doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to select boys or play politics. All Tinubu critics and proponents agree on this point. So for example, saying because Lai Mohammed has turned out to be a disgrace does not mean Tinubu is all of a sudden a person without vision, like you're trying to paint Atiku.

As I said, list Atiku proteges in the government, because as far as I know, the government is dominated by CPC elements and ACN, nPDP, and other chieftains' loyalists are in the minority. That's been the master stroke to keep every chieftain in line by Buhari.

-Lord

krendo:
Whether Atiku becomes President or not he is already a very successful man

2 time former VP and Billionaire Businessman no be come chop

It is up to Nigerians to take seriously debate that will help move Nigeria forward or continue to insult those who have creative ideas in the name of fighting corruption

2019 need Atiku or Saraki to be President

At this moment I prefer Saraki

No more Aboki. . .

LOVE AWKA
LOVE ANAMBRA
LOVE SE

GOD BLESS BIAFRA AND BIAFRANS.

The ordinary ab.okis are ready for restructuring because they don't take life so hard, they are not really interested in driving all the fancy cars and owning houses everywhere like birds. But the abok.i elites can't survive without free govt money. Once the country is restructured, they won't have access to free money to buy expensive cars, buy houses everywhere, travel around the world and waste money anyhow. That's why they want to kill themselves on maintain the status quo. I wonder where their Emirates get so.much money to buy rolls Royce, Bentley and all these expensive cars.

dodelight:

Spotted!
'Restructuring' is not a clear word to northerners and their sympathizers! What other clarifications do you need about what he meant by restructuring other than provided for in the above article?

these are the type of people you will give them your answer sheet copy and they will copy it together with your name. coconut head people.

dodelight:

Spotted!
'Restructuring' is not a clear word to northerners and their sympathizers! What other clarifications do you need about what he meant by restructuring other than provided for in the above article?

these are the type of people you will give them your answer sheet copy and they will copy it together with your name. coconut head people, everything has been stated clearly.

omooba969:


You have lost your senses because in a sane society Atiku & Saraki would be behind bars.

In China they would have been executed.

FACT !

So also would Tinubu be executed for corruption, Buhari for tribal and religious extremism. Nobody in Naija is holy.

Basic123:

Exactly,I've started tripping for him.Buhari cant sound this intelligent!

Me and you might support same candidate for 2019 be that! Atiku might be corrupt but he is known for selecting competent hands for office as well as being a bridge builder. Nigeria in 2019 needs a return to unity, no matter how imperfect, and economic advancement. Atiku might be able to do that.

Chukwudi4naija:
You are talking about the ideals and not the reality. What is participatory democracy in the context of Nigeria political landscape? So an item being in party programme makes it achievable? So bad you're alien to Nigeria politics.

Guy, are you reading my comments or is this auto-reply?

I do believe that you saw where I wrote in my comment that "...it is in the party manifesto is no guarantee that it shall be done".

My opinion is that the president is only one man with limited powers. If the president wants to restructure the federation and the goons in his party don't want it, the whole shenanigan is dead on arrival. If you don't know this, your understanding of how our democracy works is suspect.

LordAdam16:


In China, if they were part of Xi's inner circle, they'd be top ranking party officials. While people like Buhari if they were not part of Xi's inner circle would have been executed.

Xi consolidated power with his anti-corruption drive. Taking down opponents and shielding loyalists; like Buhari. The Communist Party is more corrupt than hell. So shut your mouth if you know nothing about International politics.

-Lord

I thought you were making sense until you ended your submission with abuse, you prolly think the abuse will strengthen your argument but it rather showcased your weakness & emptiness.

It's clear you only know some stuff by virtue of what you watch on TV with regards to Nigeria & China as reference points but you don't understand the complexities, intricacies & challenges that these two countries face as per tackling corruption.

Have you examined the impunity in Nigeria in comparison to China?

Have you tried to sample the political will in both govts? I am sure you're able to see how things pan out in both similar scenarios.

Have you examined the effectiveness of the Chinese justice system in relation to the positive impact on their economy? Just compare the pace & level of development in both countries then begin to cry.

Now, if China is corrupt as hell, how would you refer to Nigeria?

By now you should be able to differentiate between Buhari's style & Xi's style.

Now git da fvck off my mention ok.