optm:
what re u saying? even at d present cost, how many nigerians can afford paying? i just cant relate how u cld come up wit such as a solution

1miccza:


What happened to saving a life first according to the Hippocratic oath that these Medics were trained to live by? What happened to resuscitating and stabilizing the patient first before proper treatment, and of course requesting for funds before the proper treatment. Even before demanding for funds there should have been some form of stabilization on the patient. I was involved in an accident some years back and i went to LASUTH at Ikeja , was told that there was no bed the same happened at another teaching Hospital, would you say that was because the chances of survival was slim? I took the same situation to Igbobi and before registration they worked on my injuries on the spot right there in the ambulance and today i am alive to tell the story. Truth be told, irrespective of the existing situations and conditions, this life savers have abandoned their Oath and are only thinking about money.

Flaghouse1:


Oga I disagree to agree with you with your comments above,it's like you a medical practitioner.i am only pained and ruled by my emotions seeing the picture of that baby, Atleadt you too should feel something for the baby by seeing the picture now

IamaNigerianGuy:


God help you for the kind of medicine you practice. In civilized countries which Nigeria is definitely not, you are criminally liable for negligence if you turn away a medical emergency. Here people do anything they like. Its termed EMERGENCY for a reason. You are not legally or ethically required to deliver John Hopkins standard of medicine to such a case, just to do the best you can with the resources available, what is special about meningitis that she could not be admitted on compassionate grounds while the parents ran around to raise the money ? The outcome we now witness of a dead child is a better one ?
Life is cheap and meaningless to Nigerians that is why you can make such a submission

And fyi ALL EMERGENCIES must be attended to and stabilized before referral unless the knowledge or resources are unavailable.

helpee:
You are still repeating the same thing. I should save life first with what ? with my hand? is it not money we will use to buy ventilator, oxygen, drugs and co or you think everything is typhoid and malaria that you can always treat with 2k. You dont know about hospitals.....most general hospital in Nigeria are so bad that they commonly reject....1) cases with low chances of survival 2) cases that can tie up their bed for a long time. Wether you believe it or not, it is the reality. so if they assumed wether rightly or wrongly your case is either they can refer you. That doesnt mean there wont be a time they WONT TRUELY LACK SPACE. so they may not have space truely.
Moreso, you talk about SAVING LIFE FIRST. That is assuming i can save all lives. What if in the process of saving the life, the patient dies after incurring thousands in cost and the patient refuses to pay WHICH IS THE TREND IN NIGERIA.I should ask the writer of the hippocratic oath to pay me back?

ultron12345:
yes, we all feel for the baby, but when u run a hospital, and u treat 50 patients on credit as a kind hearted person, but u are only able to get back your money from 5 of them (and u had to threaten them with police and juju before they paid), and it's the end of the month, u are owing workers 4 months salary, suppliers are on ur neck for their payment, the bank is threatening to take ur house and car ebcos u haven't been servicing d loan u took to start the hospital........what do u expect that doctor to do. He can't keep making losses.

ultron12345:
thats just it, it's the sad truth, quality healthcare is expensive.......someone pays N2M for an operation in the U.S but a Nigerian wants to use N30K for the same operation at the same quality, it can't happen. The only solution could have been subsidy, but trust me, Nigeria does not have the money to subsidize quality healthcare.

optm:
Nigeria hs d money. d problem ar d thieves in d govt and hospital admin who tks d money meant fr d betterment of d health system al to demselves. privatizing d health sector wld mk health care inaccessible to d populace...d PHC's aint even functional. xo tel me hw u want d populace to get health care if d health system is privatized wen majority re poor ? dnt tel me u aint touched by d sufferings of nigerians....even d power sector dt wz privatized, wht difference did it make? u even hv to pay more fr d service dts hardly offered ....

9jakohai:


1.Well, awo and azikiwe had to pay some fees.....(Azikiwe did a lot of odd jobs throughout his stay in university in the USA)

2.Free education worked when the number of kids in school was less than 10% (by 1960) and when universities had less than 90000 students (by 1979...and not everyone went to university then. Most of my uncles and aunts on both sides of my family went to polytechnics). Not now when we have millions of students(and as regards university...there aren't enough spaces ).

3.Oil was 26% of our revenue by 1970. It did not become our no 1 earner till the early 1980's.

optm:
Nigeria hs d money. d problem ar d thieves in d govt and hospital admin who tks d money meant fr d betterment of d health system al to demselves. privatizing d health sector wld mk health care inaccessible to d populace...d PHC's aint even functional. xo tel me hw u want d populace to get health care if d health system is privatized wen majority re poor ? dnt tel me u aint touched by d sufferings of nigerians....even d power sector dt wz privatized, wht difference did it make? u even hv to pay more fr d service dts hardly offered ....

1miccza:


And of course everything's right with a young child dying due to lack of funds right? People like you are our biggest problem.

ThatVvnGurl:


The private hospitals are people's business. They are not charity organizations.

ultron12345:
The government is to blame for this for not providing enough beds and facilities in public hospitals, but how can they provide it when Nigerians pay abysmally low prices for public health services, untill the health sector is privatized and Nigerians or health insurance companies are made to pay the real cost of health services I don't see it getting better.

There is nothing wrong with the demand of N250k by the private hospital, they are businesses and have the right not to give services on credit

Ochek:


And you truly think all you said make sense Abi?

Let me ask you, do exist in the space called Nigeria irbyou are simply typing from another country?

Of course, it's true our health sector is in a shadow of its self but then asking for a whooping sum of 250k as initial deposit to manage pain in a kid is simply outrageous and inhumane. If it had to do with ICU what then. ...

Baseline, our government is to blame.

ultron12345:
then if u are not ready to pay, go to another hospital abi na by force.......and what do u mean by "to manage pain", if u don't understand something, either u ask questions or u keep ur mouth shut

1miccza:


They were life savers first before business men refer to my discussions with @helpee

ThatVvnGurl:


I read all you wrote. The thing is that health care is not free neither is it cheap. Inasmuch as we want to save lives the hospital will fold if it keeps rendering services for free in the name of saving lives.

Ochek:


How many ENT specialist can you find within a 5km range?

Of course it's business and the hospital should be able to make some profit but asking for a 250k as deposit is way too much. Argue that with your keyboard.

And for the management of pain, that was in a wider/generalization of the happening events with private hospitals. So, I yes! I do understand what exactly it is I was referring to.

ultron12345:
thats just it, it's the sad truth, quality healthcare is expensive.......someone pays N2M for an operation in the U.S but a Nigerian wants to use N30K for the same operation at the same quality, it can't happen. The only solution could have been subsidy, but trust me, Nigeria does not have the money to subsidize quality healthcare.

helpee:
you can see the logic. Nigerians are poor but they want doctors in private hospitals to provide them rich man healthcare. If you dont provide it then what happened to Hippocratic oath is the next line. In america you spend about 40k dollars ( roughly 12million) for uncomplicated cs. In nigeria, they beg you to collect 100k and they wont still pay. So, how can i provide a 12million quality of care with 100k just with hippocratic oath. Kuku kill us

salford1:

well. An average nigerian does not pay over 300k a month for a two bedroom flat in Nigeria like an average citizen of a developed country neither does a nigerian trained doctor incurred close to or more than 40million naira debt in student loan after graduation. Different country, different cost of services.

The problem is our stupid politicians who earn millions every month but fail to develop the economy.

optm:
wldnt knw if dts d actual cost fr uncomplicated cs there but comparing america wit nigeria where therez a great disparity in d standard of livin is funny. a place where d average pay of a worker is reasonable compared to wht pple get here. besides , naira cnt compete wit dollar in terms of value hence comparin d cost of tx btw both countries wldnt apply here.

salford1:

well. An average nigerian does not pay over 300k a month for a two bedroom flat in Nigeria like an average citizen of a developed country neither did a nigerian trained doctor incurred close to or more than 40million naira debt in student loan after graduation. Different country, different cost of services.

The problem is our stupid politicians who earn millions every month but fail to develop the economy.

helpee:
you are funny. That should rather make healthcare more expensive in dollar terms in nigeria. You know why? We import practically everything we use in hospital with dollars including consumables. So if i need a CT SCAN, i wont buy it with naira, i will buy it with dollars and custom will still collect duties on it. ICU equipment are all imported. The only thing we wont buy with dollars is building and salaries. so i wonder how we can provide that quality care cheaper than the dollars

salford1:

well. An average nigerian does not pay over 300k a month for a two bedroom flat in Nigeria like an average citizen of a developed country neither did a nigerian trained doctor incurred close to or more than 40million naira debt in student loan after graduation. Different country, different cost of services.

The problem is our stupid politicians who earn millions every month but fail to develop the economy.

ultron12345:


Which money, do u think it N1Billion yearly to subsidize quality healthcare.

http://www.google.com.ng/url?q=http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-much-does-federal-government-spend-health-care&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjI14-ArsDWAhWBLFAKHXJyBRwQFggLMAA&usg=AFQjCNHtSTLJ2euiLhIVdywsdId4kQNhBg

The U.S. Spends $41 billion yearly for healthcare subsidies, how much is Nigeria's annual budget.

Can u suggest any other nigeria can improve her healthcare?

optm:
do u know how much d thieves in govt loot nd also waste in irrelevancies? if u knw, den u ll agree nigeria has d moni to giv ha people gud health care at low cost.

ultron12345:
would u keep quiet, there is nothing wrong with the price, do u know the quality of d treatment there were to receive and d standard of d hospital, some hospitals will charge 1k, some will charge 50k, some will even charge more than 1M, go to the one u can afford

helpee:
you are funny. That should rather make healthcare more expensive in dollar terms in nigeria. You know why? We import practically everything we use in hospital with dollars including consumables. So if i need a CT SCAN, i wont buy it with naira, i will buy it with dollars and custom will still collect duties on it. ICU equipment are all imported. The only thing we wont buy with dollars is building and salaries. so i wonder how we can provide that quality care cheaper than the dollars

optm:
xo if it's privatized, services wld b better nd u ll b able to afford dem fr u or ur luvd ones wen need arises abi? u knw, nt until we find ourselves in certain situations, u ll neva knw wht it's really like to b there. #my take is dt privatization isnt d solution to d menace facin d health sector in nigeria..as it is at present, nigerians re finding it difficult payin fr health care services...this is evident in d majority engaging in self medication until dey run out of options bfr seekin health care frm d hospitals.

helpee:
you have to choose one. GOOD AND QUALITY HEALTHCARE- EXPENSIVE.
POOR HEALTHCARE- CHEAP. While i dont blame anybody that cant afford good healthcare, Nigerians should stop blaming doctors that demand for money to provide a semblance of good care saying we should keep treating everybody on compassionate grounds. Healthcare is expensive. If you cant afford it, dont blame a doctor that cant afford to provide it too