adepeter2027:

I don't take NL serious neither do I take words of people like you to heart...

As for the debate, ain't you tired of chanting "DEBATE ME" mantra??

You can't debate me, so i didn't challenge you to. Do you think maligning me will stop me from preaching the gospel of Christ? You met the wrong person.

Who called you into what i asked From Joseph?

Listen, tell the entity residing in you that Analice is the Undead, you can't kill me in anyway. You can't shut me up, dem never born the demons wey dey your body.

The worst comes to the worst, i'll him to turn against you.

701ecilana:

You can't debate me, so i didn't challenge you to. Do you think maligning me will stop me from preaching the gospel of Christ? You met the wrong person.

Who called you into what i asked From Joseph?

Listen, tell the entity residing in you that Analice is the Undead, you can't kill me in anyway. You can't shut me up, dem never born the demons wey dey your body.

Hahahahaha, this gat me cracking oo

The worst comes to the worst, i'll him to turn against you.

Exactly, by offering him the below image àbí?
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adepeter2027:

Prophetess/Pastor Ann preaching to me?
Why is it that ya pen is always fast to type hating words

Now, take a look at the verse you quoted - are you a Christian or a idol worshiper?

A demon possessed person wants to tell me how to be a Christian.

Just so you know, you are right down where satan put you. My Christian life is non of your business. Funny enough, if i were to see you personally, i may even hate myself for responding to you.
Be glad that this is a faceless forum, you get to talk to people you can't greet in real life.

Ignoremodeactivated.

adepeter2027:

Hahahahaha, this gat me cracking oo

Exactly, by offering him the below image àbí?
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Your senior sister right?

701ecilana:

Your senior sister right?

LMAO

701ecilana:

A demon possessed person wants to tell me how to be a Christian.

Just so you know, you are right down where satan put you. My Christian life is non of your business. Funny enough, if i were to see you personally, i may even hate myself for responding to you.
Be glad that this is a faceless forum, you get to talk to people you can't greet in real life.

Ignoremodeactivated.

You can cry for Africa oo. Chai

701ecilana:

Your senior sister right?

That you babe.

That's ya weapon of séduction. It's not bad tho

@701ecilana,hmmm...frankly speaking,i grasped what u are initially driving at but i choose not to acknowledge that,so as to give more room for ur deluded and narrowminded comments(though i am reluctant to make this comment due to its "insultiveness").let me just say i can understand why u make the above points due to the confinement you are in,shalom!

tundexweb:
@701ecilana,hmmm...frankly speaking,i grasped what u are initially driving at but i choose not to acknowledge that,so as to give more room for ur deluded and narrowminded comments(though i am reluctant to make this comment due to its "insultiveness".let me just say i can understand why u make the above points due to the confinement you are in,shalom!

LoL

I hope she won't insult/call you a Satanist because of this

701ecilana:

Its okay to choose to be whatever you are now. But, you don't have to lie and misrepresent it.

The Bible you found cold and distant tells us to choose what we want to be. No ne by force. It'll be cowardice to choose what you want albeit based on wring premises yet come up to disparage and denigrate it.


Choose and stay with your choices, it's okay.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: For if you choose death, you shall die.
Deuteronomy:30:19

Hahahaha hahahaha. Quit this your totalitarian and subtle manipulations. First I didn't lie and I find that conclusion on your part extremely naive. I detailed my experience. And what's the big deal about finding scriptures cold? Is that experience unique to me? I presume you are not well read as regards the testimony of many giants of your faith. Ever heard of dark night of the soul? Did Paul lie when he detailed his Road to Damascus experience? So why do you think I lie when I tell about my own experience? Just because I reject believe in a dumb, unspeaking concept of God?

Is that all you got@the verse from the accursed book of Deuteronomy? I am not the man you can threaten with death, hell or Eternal damnation. If you like invoke the blood of your god- it's all dust. I am not a Jew. Moses, the genocidal maniac got nothing on me.

Adepeter2027 and 701ecilana please this thread is more like a personal journal for Joseph. It's no playground for mudslinging, do take that to the other threads on Religion. 60 something pages of well reasoned thoughts without a word of insult should be a high water mark you guys should respect. Cheers

Mujtahida:
Adepeter2027 and 701ecilana please this thread is more like a personal journal for Joseph. It's no playground for mudslinging, do take that to the other threads on Religion. 60 something pages of well reasoned thoughts without a word of insult should be a high water mark you guys should respect. Cheers

Tell that to Adapeters who follows me everywhere with insults.

701ecilana:

Tell Adepeters that who follows me everywhere with insults.

Both of you engage in mutual self recriminations. Just respect this thread and don't do it here. If he insults you, ignore the insults.

Mujtahida:

Hahahaha hahahaha. Quit this your totalitarian and subtle manipulations. First I didn't lie and I find that conclusion on your part extremely naive. I detailed my experience. And what's the big deal about finding scriptures cold? Is that experience unique to me? I presume you are not well read as regards the testimony of many giants of your faith. Ever heard of dark night of the soul? Did Paul lie when he detailed his Road to Damascus experience? So why do you think I lie when I tell about my own experience? Just because I reject believe in a dumb, unspeaking concept of God?

Is that all you got@the verse from the accursed book of Deuteronomy? I am not the man you can threaten with death, hell or Eternal damnation. If you like invoke the blood of your god- it's all dust. I am not a Jew. Moses, the genocidal maniac got nothing on me.

I thought we could have a discussion, but i see we can't. Just hear your words.

tundexweb:
@701ecilana,hmmm...frankly speaking,i grasped what u are initially driving at but i choose not to acknowledge that,so as to give more room for ur deluded and narrowminded comments(though i am reluctant to make this comment due to its "insultiveness".let me just say i can understand why u make the above points due to the confinement you are in,shalom!

Shalom. It's your choice.

adepeter2027:

That you babe.

That's ya weapon of séduction. It's not bad tho

It's a shame that you'd post your senior sister's picture online.

Adepeter, she is a family member, no matter what happens you don't shame your family member. She had to become a prostitute to feed your mother and father. She had to become a prostitute to see you and your siblings through school. Without her being a prostitute, you wouldn't be able to type trash in the internet.

So, take my advice, stop insulting your senior sister.

She became a prostitute to give you a life.
Make use of the life she has tried to give to you.

And, for once let me see you engaging in an intelligent discussion, when i see you doing that, i shall respond to you, without that, Gerrarahia.

Ishilove:

LMAO

My sister imagine this boy posting his senior sister's picture online thinking he can use it to insult me.

He must think every lady is a prostitute because his sister is.

701ecilana:

My sister imagine this boy posting his senior sister's picture online thinking he can use it to insult me.

He must think every lady is a prostitute because his sister is.

ROTFL!! One woman mopol

701ecilana:

I thought we could have a discussion, but i see we can't. Just hear your words.

Nothing wrong with my words. Sure we can but I take serious objection to you cursing me with death-cos that's what it is. My choice is my choice. Ultimately we all die, so why invoke death upon me specifically for my choice to get out of Christianity just as you enjoined me to do? I have engaged with other Christians on my experience here on nairaland and we discussed in a most gracious and charitable spirit and parted ways with some praying for me. Not that the prayer will change anything as regards my choices but I appreciate the human gesture of goodwill unlike your own brazen invocation of curses. If you ready for a discussion sure I am game- if not fine.
I have read a couple of your posts on other threads and I must tell you that your approach will most likely NEVER have the effect of making atheist and non believers have a rethink.

701ecilana:

It's a shame that you'd post your senior sister's picture online.

Adepeter, she is a family member, no matter what happens you don't shame your family member. She had to become a prostitute to feed your mother and father. She had to become a prostitute to see you and your siblings through school. Without her being a prostitute, you wouldn't be able to type trash in the internet.

So, take my advice, stop insulting your senior sister.

She became a prostitute to give you a life.
Make use of the life she has tried to give to you.

And, for once let me see you engaging in an intelligent discussion, when i see you doing that, i shall respond to you, without that, Gerrarahia.

Chei

701ecilana:

It's a shame that you'd post your senior sister's picture online.

Adepeter, she is a family member, no matter what happens you don't shame your family member. She had to become a prostitute to feed your mother and father. She had to become a prostitute to see you and your siblings through school. Without her being a prostitute, you wouldn't be able to type trash in the internet.

So, take my advice, stop insulting your senior sister.

She became a prostitute to give you a life.
Make use of the life she has tried to give to you.

And, for once let me see you engaging in an intelligent discussion, when i see you doing that, i shall respond to you, without that, Gerrarahia.

Chaii, epistle of Paul

But the hurt is real oo Analice107
You know what, take some chill pills

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adepeter2027:

Chaii, epistle of Paul

But the hurt is real oo Analice107
You know what, take some chill pills

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Let me have a word with you.I believe you can be reasoned with as a guy. I know it's hard but please do resist the need to do this thing with this lady at least not on this thread.

Mujtahida:

Let me have a word with you.I believe you can be reasoned with as a guy. I know it's hard but please do resist the need to do this thing with this lady at least not on this thread.

observe keenly, you'd notice I'm not taking her serious despite all the jabs she's throwing at me...

adepeter2027:

observe keenly, you'd notice I'm not taking her serious despite all the jabs she's throwing at me...

I know brother. It's just for the sake of this particular thread I am making an intervention to put this on hold here. Cheers

Mujtahida:

I know brother. It's just for the sake of this particular thread I am making an intervention to put this on hold here. Cheers

Okay bro. No more response to her

adepeter2027:
Okay bro. No more response to her

Thank you. I appreciate your graciousness.

Mujtahida:

Nothing wrong with my words. Sure we can but I take serious objection to you cursing me with death-cos that's what it is. My choice is my choice.

I didn't curse you with death bro, i only posted a Scripture. I know that you know that life is full of Choices, and the Bible which you find distant and cold (According to you, an accursed book), says that too. Without God you die when you die, with God you live when you die.

And, Yes your choice is your choice, but why did you come on here lying with the intent to mislead and misrepresent the gospel? You were knew anything about God, but you came on here trying things which weren't true.
God no owe you, if you want you come, if you no want, you are free to go, pls don't lie.

God speaks to me in so many ways.

Mujtahida:

Ultimately we all die, so why invoke death upon me specifically for my choice to get out of Christianity just as you enjoined me to do?

No, we don't all die. The death i talk about here is not the death of the flesh, but the dead of the spirit. When we die, we shall either die again or live again.

@ the bolded, i didn't enjoin you to leave Christianity, i just won't beg you to remain seeing you are casting aspersions at it as though your being there will make a difference to God. You aaid yourself that discussing Christianity will not make a difference, so why bother?

Bros, God does not need us, we need Him. He is what has has always been, we on the other hand needs him to live again wen we die. So, if you have chosen death, you shall die.(Not the physical death).

Mujtahida =60811229]
I have engaged with other Christians on my experience here on nairaland and we discussed in a most gracious and charitable spirit and parted ways with some praying for me[/quote]
And we are also going to part ways in peace. That's why i posted that Scripture to you. It's a choice you made.
[quote author=Mujtahida:

Not that the prayer will change anything as regards my choices but I appreciate the human gesture of goodwill unlike your own brazen invocation of curses. If you ready for a discussion sure I am game- if not fine.
I have

Lolzz@ invocation of curses. I didn't curse you. If i cursed you i wld have used words like;
I decree that this or that befall you, or may this or that be your portion, but it didn't. I only posted a scripture to let you know the implication and the consequence of your stance.
[quote author=Mujtahida post=60811229
read a couple of your posts on other threads and I must tell you that your approach will most likely NEVER have the effect of making atheist and non believers have a rethink. [/quote]
I never set out to make them believers, i'm set out to prove their errors. I'm aware that not everyone will come to Christ, and the sons of darkness, no matter how long they live amongst the sons of light, will eventually depart to darkness. But they live in our midst long enough to make it seem like," yeah i have been a Christian for 50 yrs and i can tell you, Christianity is fake", i'm one of the voices to call them out on that.

That you worked as a minister doesn't mean you were a believer. Or didn't you read where Jesus said, many will come to him on the last day calling out Lord Lord, but he'll say to them, depart from me you workers of iniquity? (Sorry, i forgot, you don't read the Bible.)

So, no, I'm not here to call them back to Christ, they won't come, they finally left for home where they belong. With their father the Prince of darkness.

What i won't be blackmailed to do is keep quiet in the face of lies and deception from people who never knew the S in salvation.

Ishilove:

ROTFL!! One woman mopol

701ecilana:
@Adepeters, it's not my fault that you can't engage anyone in a coherent discussion and i can. Don't you ever think your froward mouth can in any way dent me. I'm a Christian, i make bold to say that anywhere, but listen, I will still beat the hell out of you if try bringing your shiit my way.

I defend the gospel of Jesus Christ, and i will continue to do so, if you hate me for it, Ade, kill yourself because I won't stop.

@Joseph1013, i only saw a link here to read on line. Not to worry, i will download it.

Pls don't pay any attention to the silly teenager with a dirty mouth.

You came to this thread, so I feel I can ask you this question.

Can you, with supporting and conclusive evidence, tell me how being a Christian has made your life better than every other person?


Don't tell me "peace of mind " o, many atheists have peace of mind. I want something that only Christians get. Also, don't mention eternal life, without providing photos and videos of people laughing or wallowing. I will be waiting. Thanks.

701ecilana:


I didn't curse you with death bro, i only posted a Scripture. I know that you know that life is full of Choices, and the Bible which you find distant and cold (According to you, an accursed book), says that too. Without God you die when you die, with God you live when you die.

And, Yes your choice is your choice, but why did you come on here lying with the intent to mislead and misrepresent the gospel? You were knew anything about God, but you came on here trying things which weren't true.
God no owe you, if you want you come, if you no want, you are free to go, pls don't lie.

God speaks to me in so many ways.


No, we don't all die. The death i talk about here is not the death of the flesh, but the dead of the spirit. When we die, we shall either die again or live again.

@ the bolded, i didn't enjoin you to leave Christianity, i just won't beg you to remain seeing you are casting aspersions at it as though your being there will make a difference to God. You aaid yourself that discussing Christianity will not make a difference, so why bother?

Bros, God does not need us, we need Him. He is what has has always been, we on the other hand needs him to live again wen we die. So, if you have chosen death, you shall die.(Not the physical death).


And we are also going to part ways in peace. That's why i posted that Scripture to you. It's a choice you made.

Lolzz@ invocation of curses. I didn't curse you. If i cursed you i wld have used words like;
I decree that this or that befall you, or may this or that be your portion, but it didn't. I only posted a scripture to let you know the implication and the consequence of your stance.

So everyone who leaves Christianity was never a Christian? How simplistic can your thinking be. You don't even know that what you are practicing today is more of churchianity than Christianity as practiced in the early church.

First off, I believe in God as I wrote in my first post. But do I believe in Yahweh? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Not anymore. Jesus if ever he did exist and died, died for his own sins and the sins of Yahweh but not for me. Forgiveness doesn't require bloodshed. Human beings forgive even the most unspeakably egregious acts without shedding blood.
Obviously the merciful Biblical God didn't learn a thing or two from us his supposedly depraved creation hence he had to slake his vengefulness with the blood of his son. Jesus died to save the old testament petty minded, hateful and murderous, gentile killing God of Israel (actually Yahweh is an idol - Google Yahweh and read his entry on Wikipedia) from his worst characters hence his conversion into a god of love in the new testament.

If I lied then every person whose experience is written in scripture is a lie, ain't so? And You too lie when you say God speaks to you(since you regard my saying I found scriptures cold a lie so ditto I regard you saying God spoke to you a lie-how's that? )
At a certain point I found scriptures cold. No lies. Why is that point hard for you to swallow when I know that a great number of genuinely born again Christians experience that sort of devotional dryness sometimes briefly, sometimes for long periods.

If God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Ezra etc then I cannot live my life based on those words unless God speaks to me too. Show me in scriptures, the scriptures that Abraham or Moses read to hear God speak. And I say that the God who speaks in the Bible is not God - those are the words of men!!! And even if it were God, I say to him, No I will not believe your word to Isaac, to Isaiah, to Micah or even to Adeboye, Oyedepo or Iginla. Give me my own word. When I breath through the nose God gave me I breathe by myself, when I walk, I walk with the legs God gave me, when I look, I look through the eyes he gave. So why then do I need to filter my own spiritual relationship to him through the words he spoke to David, to some nomadic Jew some thousands of years ago. Do you know what fatherhood means? Do you know the implication of the word becoming flesh amongst us? Did Jesus not speak directly to his disciples? Why has he gone mute? Is he not the same yesterday, today and forever? Is he not called the living word? He must speak ooo, he must speak directly to me if we gon have a relationship. I rather go to hell than relate with my God through a proxy. The Bible God who cannot speak to me deserves no obedience from me. I believe in no Bible God, he doesn't need me as you have repeatedly hammered and guess what? I don't freaking need him because he doesn't exist. I carry my God inside my heart. I look up, I see his symbol, his sun shining on me, warming my soul and blessing me with its life giving rays, his rain refreshing and renewing the earth.

There's no implication of Eternal death or life. What is, is -whether death or life. All such Biblical frameworks are bunkum to me. Trust me if there's Eternal life I have it already. If I don't have it, you don't have it. If you have it, I have it even more. It doesn't depend on no Jesus. Humanity extends farther than Christ, a vast, countless horde of men have thronged this old earth before your Christ ever uttered a word.

I have no desire to live in definitely . That's a Christian ideal that doesn't resonate with me. I am perfectly satisfied with experiencing this one. I I have no fear whatsoever regarding my choices. All the scriptures on eternal life or death cannot change my mind. When I was a Christian, heaven was not really an inducement to me. What I wanted most was a fruitful spiritual relationship with God. I discovered like you said that the christian god doesn't need me and I walked away. My life is less cluttered now. I belong to the God of the universe. When my time is up I will go back to the unknown place from whence I came.

Mujtahida:

So everyone who leaves Christianity was never a Christian. You don't even know that what you are practicing today is more of churchianity than Christianity as practiced in the early church.
First off, I believe in God as I wrote in my first post. But do I believe in Yahweh? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Not anymore. Jesus if ever he did exist and died, died for his own sins and the sins of Yahweh but not for me. Forgiveness doesn't require bloodshed. Human beings forgive even the most unspeakably egregious acts without shedding blood.
Obviously the merciful Biblical God didn't learn a thing or two from us his supposedly depraved creation hence he had to slake his vengefulness with the blood of his son. Jesus died to save the old testament petty minded, hateful and murderous, gentile killing God of Israel (actually Yahweh is an idol - Google Yahweh and read his entry on Wikipedia) from his worst characters hence his conversion
into a god of love in the new testament.

If I lied then every person whose experience is written in scripture is a lie, ain't so? And You too lie when you say God speaks to you(since you regard my saying I found scriptures cold a lie so ditto I regard you saying God spoke to you a lie-how's that? )
At a certain point I found scriptures cold. No lies. Why is that point hard for you to swallow when I know that a great number of genuinely born again Christians experience that sort of devotional dryness sometimes briefly, sometimes for long periods.

If God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Ezra etc then I cannot live my life based on those words unless God speaks to me too. Show me in scriptures, the scriptures that Abraham or Moses read to hear God speak. And I say that the God who speaks in the Bible is not God - those are the words of men!!! And even if it were God, I say to him, No I will not believe your word to Isaac, to Isaiah, to Micah or even to Adeboye, Oyedepo or Iginla. Give me my own word. When I breath through the nose God gave me I breathe by myself, when I walk, I walk with the legs God gave me, when I look, I look through the eyes he gave. So why then do I need to filter my own spiritual relationship to him through the words he spoke to David, to some nomadic Jew some thousands of years ago. Do you know what fatherhood means? Do you know the implication of the word becoming flesh amongst us? Did Jesus not speak directly to his disciples? Why has he gone mute? Is he not the same yesterday, today and forever? Is he not called the living word? He must speak ooo, he must speak directly to me if we gon have a relationship. I rather go to hell than relate with my God through a proxy. The Bible God who cannot speak to me deserves no obedience from me. I believe in no Bible God, he doesn't need me as you have repeatedly hammered and guess what? I don't freaking need him because he doesn't exist. I carry my God inside my heart. I look up, I see his symbol, his sun shining on me, warming my soul and blessing me with its life giving rays, his rain refreshing and renewing the earth.

There's no implication of Eternal death or life. What is, is -whether death or life. All such Biblical frameworks are bunkum to me. Trust me if there's Eternal life I have it already. If I don't have it, you don't have it. If you have it, I have it even more. It doesn't depend on no Jesus. Humanity extends farther than Christ, a vast, countless horde of men have thronged this old earth before your Christ ever uttered a word.

I have no desire to live indefinitely. I am perfectly satisfied with experiencing this one. I I have no fear whatsoever regarding my choices. All the scriptures on eternal life or death cannot change my mind. When I was a Christian, heaven was not really an inducement to me. What I wanted most was a fruitful spiritual relationship with God. I discovered like you said that the christian god doesn't need me and I walked away. My life is less cluttered now. I belong to the God of the universe. When my time is up I will go back to the unknown place from whence I came.

Sorry i didn't read.