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lightinchrist4:
Well said, but this brings me to 5C you saying we cannot be sinless... According to our father Lord Jesus, we are to be holy and perfect without stain and blemish. The journey to complete holiness is not an easy one and like you said but with prayer and the guidance of the Holyspirit we can achieve the Holiness acceptable unto God for rapture.
Christ is coming real soon. Lets sit tight and put on the garment of holiness with all zeal and might. God bless you.

You are right...but our holiness is in the faith we have in christ.

The sermon of the grace is the most dangerous because many people could take it for granted but does that mean we should not say the truth?

AMEN to your prayers bro.

wrongnumber:
I think your sympathy should be channeled to the hypocrites who makes it difficult for people to make heaven with heretic sermons of doom.

No true Christian enjoys sinning so stop twisting the write up ....the bottom line is that the op wrote that salvation is guaranteed once you accept Christmas but perfecting your salvation is an ungoing thing.

the point is that many believers usually give up their salvation because they still sin from time to time whereas GOD is still very much interested in them....can't you just get this?

The holy spirit is the only one that can perfect our salvation hence the need to remain strong and never to give up.

Nice one bro.

tosyne2much:
Look at you You dey find person wey you go bring enter your league abi?


I believe it's perfectly normal to think that way bro. Please let's be very frank and sincere, doesn't it bother you that you're in heaven and your children are burning in the lake of fire?

This can only happen if the memories of your loved ones is wiped off

This was the very question I asked myself while I was still a christian.

Then other questions were;
- is it the same God that created Christians that made Muslims too? If yes, where will be Muslims be on judgement day.? If hell, why since he created them

Bless God for this topic. It is true we have a high priest in heaven interceding for us with God to forgive our sins but we must not feel comfortable with our sins has God can not be mocked.
It is true that he who is born of God does not sin. But that is when the work of salvation have been completed in a man. Apostle Paul said this about his new converts or born-again 'my children in whom I travail in birth until Christ be formed in you' meaning that there's a process in formation of being a full child of God.
My point is Christians should not quickly put anyone away because he or she is caught in sin, or judge them or start shouting u are not suppose to sin!. But we should go on our knees and stand in the gap for such persons. So that Holy Ghost will perfect their salvation.

Pls I have some questions 1. What's one going to heaven or hell with? Soul, spirit or both? 2. What's gonna happen in heaven? Is it just singing?

adepeter2027:
This was the very question I asked myself while I was still a christian.

Then other questions were;
- is it the same God that created Christians that made Muslims too? If yes, where will be Muslims be on judgement day.? If hell, why since he created them

And this world has been in existence for billion of years. Does it mean our great grandfathers are still in that furnace? ?

tosyne2much:
Look at you You dey find person wey you go bring enter your league abi?


I believe it's perfectly normal to think that way bro. Please let's be very frank and sincere, doesn't it bother you that you're in heaven and your children are burning in the lake of fire?

This can only happen if the memories of your loved ones is wiped off

Lol! that is why you must bring them up in the ways of GOD.

tosyne2much:
All I know is that hell will be more fun than heaven cos things will really be bubbling there

Jokes apart

Most times, I ask myself if God can be so cruel to subject his children to eternal pain by watching them burn in a fiery furnace for their misdeeds.

Sometimes, I even ask myself what is the happiness and joy in making heaven if my wife and children are burning in hell?

As a person, I find it hard to believe that an ever loving God would be very comfortable with such a thing, and I think that the concept of hell and heaven is what becomes a mystery till date

its not a mystery, rather it makes no sense

its very simple

1. Heaven is a place of joy and no sorrow

2. (eventual) inhabitants of heaven would know that some of their loved ones didn't make it and are in hell

3. This means inhabitants of heaven would know that their loved ones are in hell and would be JOYOUS about that

tosyne2much:
And this world has been in existence for billion of years. Does it mean our great grandfathers are still in that furnace? ?

These are the "NOT MAKING SENSE" questions of religion.

When you continue asking yourself more of them, you would gradually be drifting from religious to irreligious

tosyne2much:
Look at you You dey find person wey you go bring enter your league abi?


I believe it's perfectly normal to think that way bro. Please let's be very frank and sincere, doesn't it bother you that you're in heaven and your children are burning in the lake of fire?

This can only happen if the memories of your loved ones is wiped off

You don dey get sense

Segipaul:
Pls I have some questions 1. What's one going to heaven or hell with? Soul, spirit or both? 2. What's gonna happen in heaven? Is it just singing?

This thread of mine perfectly answers your questions

https://www.nairaland.com/2563215/10-amazing-reasons-why-must

Toks2008:
Lol! that is why you must bring them up in the ways of GOD.

Now what about the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc?
You mean they would end up in hell too?
IF yes, who created these set of people?

BiyiBabs17:
Bless God for this topic. It is true we have a high priest in heaven interceding for us with God to forgive our sins but we must not feel comfortable with our sins has God can not be mocked.
It is true that he who is born of God does not sin. But that is when the work of salvation have been completed in a man. Apostle Paul said this about his new converts or born-again 'my children in whom I travail in birth until Christ be formed in you' meaning that there's a process in formation of being a full child of God.
My point is Christians should not quickly put anyone away because he or she is caught in sin, or judge them or start shouting u are not suppose to sin!. But we should go on our knees and stand in the gap for such persons. So that Holy Ghost will perfect their salvation.

LLOBATAN.COM

tosyne2much:
Look at you You dey find person wey you go bring enter your league abi?


I believe it's perfectly normal to think that way bro. Please let's be very frank and sincere, doesn't it bother you that you're in heaven and your children are burning in the lake of fire?

This can only happen if the memories of your loved ones is wiped off

Either your memories are removed or your human empathy is removed. Is it really you that is left over once some parts of you have been removed?

To quote a friend: "Heaven's supposed to be this really great place, right? So how come a third of the angels got pissed off"

Segipaul:
Pls I have some questions 1. What's one going to heaven or hell with? Soul, spirit or both? 2. What's gonna happen in heaven? Is it just singing?

What is soul?
What is spirit?

The honest fact is, they are all lies.
We.are useful particles, and when we die, we become partially useful/useless particles

adepeter2027:
Now what about the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc?
You mean they would end up in hell too?
IF yes, who created these set of people?

The power of choice comes with its consequences.

I chose to accept Jesus as my lord and saviour while another chose not to...it all boils down to the choice we make regardless of our creator.

Toks2008:
The power of choice comes with its consequences.

I chose to accept Jesus as my lord and saviour while another chose not to...it all boils down to the choice we make regardless of our creator.

That is the question, before the advent of Christianity, there have been other religions.

Those before Christianity, do you mean to tell me that will rot in hell?

hopefulLandlord:
Either your memories are removed or your human empathy is removed. Is it really you that is left over once some parts of you have been removed?

To quote a friend: "Heaven's supposed to be this really great place, right? So how come a third of the angels got pissed off"

Which angels are you talking about?

tosyne2much:
And this world has been in existence for billion of years. Does it mean our great grandfathers are still in that furnace? ?

you're making a wrong calculation.
according to religious fellas, the world is 5000-6000yrs old and not billion yrs

adepeter2027:
That is the question, before the advent of Christianity, there have been other religions.

Those before Christianity, do you mean to tell me that will rot in hell?

God has a way of going about that.

Toks2008:
The power of choice comes with its consequences.

I chose to accept Jesus as my lord and saviour while another chose not to...it all boils down to the choice we make regardless of our creator.

Are you really making a conscious choice? I have pointed out many times, I find it hard to understand that religious people can be so convinced that the God they serve is the correct one. The fact is that most people serve the God they were born into. If you were born in Afghanistan you would be a devout Muslim that hate Christians. Being born in the bible belt you would be a devout Christian etc. It's amazing how much heredity and geography play into one's "choice" (I use that term loosely) of a god. It also seems that the most adherent followers of a particular deity are also the least informed about the other options. Religious people seem to avoid thinking about this because it makes them uncomfortable.

I ask again, Are you really making any conscious choice? you serve a god that claims to be omniscient, Before you were born he already knew your entire life story. So yes in fact, his foreknowledge dictates your actions. Because 13 billion years before you ever existed, he KNEW everything about you and all your actions till the day you die. This is the meaning of Omniscience to know everything possible to be know. If it's possible to be known, god knows it. Including everyone of your actions. And since god is omniscient ALL the time, he knew everything about you 13 billion years before you were born. So all your actions he already foreknew. And if you change your mind, you didn't really change your mind because 13 billion years before you were born god already knew you would change your mind.

Did you really make any choice?

Are you really making any choice?

adepeter2027:
you're making a wrong calculation.
according to religious fellas, the world is 5000-6000yrs old and not billion yrs

Haba! Maybe because the Bible said Jesus was on earth 2000 years ago, hence the confusion

Toks2008:
God has a way of going about that.

Exactly another problem about religion - ONLY GOD UNDERSTANDS.

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Toks2008:
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This will reveal to the world the secret Satan has used for thousands of years to lead people to hell and it will also break that jinx that has held millions of people hell.

So here we go...I present to you 5 Great reasons why it is ridiculously easy to make heaven.

1.Hell was never created for us but for Satan and his demons:
Many Atheists have argued that why should a loving GOD create hell for his creation?,and have concluded that GOD must be mean to send people there.

The simple truth is that GOD does not want anyone in hell except Satan and the demons neither does GOD send anyone to hell BUT PEOPLE CHOSE TO END UP IN HELL. God has created a simple way out and that is by accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour.

Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

2. No sin and even nothing can separate us from GOD but we are the ones who always choose to give up our salvation:

Do you know that once you have accepted Jesus as lord and saviour,you are very destined to be in heaven but many people willingly give up their salvation and end up in hell.

Please understand that the moment you accept Jesus as your saviour,nothing will ever separate you from the love of GOD except you. So don't give up your salvation no matter how sinful you are even after giving your life to Christ.

Romand 8 Verses 38 to 39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

3.GOD is never hard on you

Many people are fond of giving their life to christ several times cos to them, being born again means living a sinless life so anytime they sin,they just disqualify themselves and conclude that they are no more saved lol!...

No matter how hard you try,you can not live a perfect life by your efforts but it is our faith in Jesus that automatically makes us righteous. So if you have ever accepted Jesus as your saviour at any tim in your life,then you are forever saved even if you find yourself committing sins afterwards.

God has made provision for our imperfections and all you need do is to ask for forgiveness anytime you sin but don't ever disqualify yourself or give up your salvation by thinking you can never be born again because you still commit sins. Salvation is a work in progress so keep trying.

1 John 2:1-2
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

4.Many people neglect the help of the Holy spirit.

This is the mistake many people make.

You can be truly born again and still smoke,
fornicate, steal and commit sins over and over again...YES you read right,you can be very born again and still sin and GOD will never condemn you but you will only be fooling yourself thinking you can overcome sins on your own.

The holy spirit is interested in perfecting our salvation and until you call him to help you out,you may just end up going round in circles.

You can't stop that addiction on your own,that sin you are struggling with will never go if you keep trying on your own...just go down on your kneels and sincerely cry out to the Holy spirit then watch the power of GOD as you will be totally free from such sins no matter how difficult it may seem.

Many people are in hell today because they never called on the spirit of GOD to help them and they ended up giving up their precious salvation because they kept falling back into sins and thinking they can overcome sins with their flimsy human efforts.

John 6:63
The Spirit is he that gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken unto you, they are Spirit and they are life.

5.Making heaven is the simplest task ever because all you need to do is
A.Accept Jesus as saviour
B.Ask the holy spirit to come into you to fine tune your salvation.
C.Pray always for forgiveness of sins knowing you can not be sinless.

It is not your duty to struggle with sins...just take the first step by accepting Jesus as your saviour and call on the spirit of GOD to take care of the sins in your life...dont try to do it by your effort...you will fail if you do.

Galatians 5:16
“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.”

6.GOD is a loving creator,no matter how many times you sin,as long as you keep asking for forgiveness,he will never stop forgiving you

Nevertheless,a true believer does not enjoy sinful acts. The moment your heart no longer Condemns you when you sin,know that you are totally enslaved to sin and you have totally taken the grace of GOD for granted which is not a good thing.You must be willing to allow the holy spirit perfect your salvation.

The bottom line is that no matter how hard you struggle with one sin or the other,always understand that GOD will never reject you and as long as you don't give up your salvation,GOD will never give up on you.

No matter what you do,never ever give up your salvation but strife to make it better with the help of the Holy spirit

John 6:37, 39
“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day".

GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

GOD Bless You!

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coconuthead:
you can be among the 2%

And what joy is there to know that 98% fellow humanity is inside fire while you are in heaven? You are one of the sheeple

tosyne2much:
Haba! Maybe because the Babe said Jesus was on earth 2000 years ago, hence the confusion

Hell no.

It was calculated from old testament down to new testament

tosyne2much:
Which angels are you talking about?

Lucifer

hopefulLandlord:
Are you really making a conscious choice? I have pointed out many times, I find it hard to understand that religious people can be so convinced that the God they serve is the correct one. The fact is that most people serve the God they were born into. If you were born in Afghanistan you would be a devout Muslim that hate Christians. Being born in the bible belt you would be a devout Christian etc. It's amazing how much heredity and geography play into one's "choice" (I use that term loosely) of a god. It also seems that the most adherent followers of a particular deity are also the least informed about the other options. Religious people seem to avoid thinking about this because it makes them uncomfortable.

I ask again, Are you really making any conscious choice? you serve a god that claims to be omniscient, Before you were born he already knew your entire life story. So yes in fact, his foreknowledge dictates your actions. Because 13 billion years before you ever existed, he KNEW everything about you and all your actions till the day you die. This is the meaning of Omniscience to know everything possible to be know. If it's possible to be known, god knows it. Including everyone of your actions. And since god is omniscient ALL the time, he knew everything about you 13 billion years before you were born. So all your actions he already foreknew. And if you change your mind, you didn't really change your mind because 13 billion years before you were born god already knew you would change your mind.

Did you really make any choice?

Are you really making any choice?

Cc tosyne2much.

You mean to say something like this?
@op

bummyla:
GOD Bless You!

Our Confessions Matters A Lot! The Thief At the right hand side of Jesus at Calvary made Heaven, because of his positive Confession that JESUS is The Lord! https://www.bummyla.com

will Muslims go to hell fire?

Easier to make heaven?

Well, it depends on you.