tintingz:
If Satan acted independently, then such God doesn't have power over Satan, such God is not omnipotent, omniscient, this has diminished the notion that Allah controls, planned everything and knows everything.

If you have power to stop a terrorist, won't you do it?

Look at the question you asked and relate it to my answer, english is not that difficult...

tintingz:
So you agree Allah doesn't know everything, then she's limited and not omniscient.

Allah knows everything, you are getting even english wrong, check your question again..

jtigwell0:

The only reason for satan's condition is because he never asked for forgiveness..


(Iblees (Satan)) said: “O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.
“Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them” (Quran, Surah al-Hijr: 39 – 40).

So, these verses explains itself..

How does Satan not asking for forgiveness equals God allowing him to mislead us?

tintingz:
Lol, so the all knowing deity can't name his 100,000 prophets but choose to name middle eastern prophets.

do you even know up to 1000 people around you currently? because that is where human originated from and where we started populating the rest of the world.

Hieroglyphics is the oldest records kept by ancient Egypt, they keep the records on walls, and this was said to have started in the second dynasty of Pharaoh.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphs

Moses is a legend and not historical.
Scholarly consensus sees Moses as a legendary figure and not a historical person.

Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

And to add to the myth, the bible nor Quran didn't give details about the Pharaoh of Moses era, even Ramesses II that was suggest to be the figure as pharaoh reign during 19th dynasty while Egypt started keeping records in 2nd dynasty. There is no records of Ramesses chasing any slaves in history.

there is no documentary or archaeological evidence that he chased any slaves fleeing Egypt.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaohs_in_the_Bible

When I said your scriptures are full of myths, legends, I've done research on them, even Gog and Magog is a myth.



The strength of the study is showing we’ve been very East African focused for the origin point, and that that focus perhaps needs to be broadened a bit more so than we’ve been willing to do in the past. That’s not to say East Africa or the continent isn’t the origin point, but I think it’s clearly demonstrated that there is a lot going on around elsewhere in the Middle East and Europe.

“For me personally, I think Africa is still a strong contender for the split between chimpanzees, bonobos and whatever ends up with us,ancient hominins, but they are certainly putting forward a case in these two papers that is well worth archaeologists, paleoanthropologists, experts in the field, looking again at the record and thinking of if the African story does still stack up.”
http://www.newsweek.com/first-hominin-europe-east-africa-human-evolution-613494

recording started in 3200 BC, and the pharoah was said to have reigned from 1897 to 1878 BC

The fossil found in middle East and Europe are not strong evidence and not yet accepted, Africa is still strong evidence and origin.

not strong evidence because it doesnt suite your idea.. Ok!

tintingz:
Then Jhon is never acting on freewill.

You are locked in a bunker, you are never gonna come outside (that is destiny) you in the bunker can dance, run, sleep, eat, kill, sing, think(that is free will)
free will in enclosed in destiny but mutually inclusive..

docZeey:
How does Satan not asking for forgiveness equals God allowing him to mislead us?

because that is the purpose God wanted him to show arrogancy in the first place

jtigwell0:
because that is the purpose God wanted him to show arrogancy in the first place

So it's even God that wanted him to show arrogancy so he can mislead us. Is this God good?

jtigwell0:
You are locked in a bunker, you are never gonna come outside (that is destiny) you in the bunker can dance, run, sleep, eat, kill, sing, think(that is free will)
free will in enclosed in destiny but mutually exclusive..

Lol. You're a confused somebody. do you know what mutually exclusive means? You've scattered your argument.

docZeey:


So it's even God that wanted him to show arrogancy so he can mislead us. Is this God good?

the word shouldnt be "mislead" but to try us..

docZeey:


Lol. You're a confused somebody. do you know what mutually exclusive means? You've scattered your argument.

sorry modified..

jtigwell0:
that doesnt balance the population, as we can over populate in less than a year...

Lol, imagine humans don't die right from the early humans, tell me how the world is gonna be?

then time doesnt exist..

I don't know yet.

theories? into the bin..

What does theory means in science?

You just cant tell me its related to the brain... what causes it?

I've stated it.

something "encoded" must have been coded by someone.

Who coded it?

Go and read about memory encoding.

I dare you to find the answer..

I've seen answers, why not help yourself out.

tell me why i should believe this?

You don't have to believe it.

none of your options..

So Allah act without reasoning?

tintingz:
Lol, imagine humans don't die right from the early humans, tell me how the world is gonna be?

so nature takes life according to you? nature must be lifeful to do that..

Who coded it?

Ar rahmon

Go and read about memory encoding.

doesnt apply here..

I've seen answers, why not help yourself out.

there are no answers to it as at 1:12 pm

You don't have to believe it.

good

So Allah act without reasoning?

i mean your options have not the answer..

jtigwell0:
You are locked in a bunker, you are never gonna come outside (that is destiny) you in the bunker can dance, run, sleep, eat, kill, sing, think(that is free will)
free will in enclosed in destiny but mutually inclusive..

You can reason right? If you're locked in a bunker...say that bunker is hell fire and that means you can never come out? Where's the free will coming in? you're already locked in, it's not like you can do anything outside the bunker.

docZeey:


You can reason right? If you're locked in a bunker...say that bunker is hell fire and that means you can never come out? Where's the free will coming in? you're already locked in, it's not like you can do anything outside the bunker.

what I think he is saying is free will is under destiny..like destiny has a limit, and free will is limited under destiny..

Tintingz

How did the universe came about?

tintingz:
If you say there is nobody standing behind the closed door, then there is no need arguing if someone is standing behind the closed door, but if you claim there is a man standing behind the closed door then you have to proof a man is behind the closed door. I don't need to proof there is nobody behind the closed door since the person is not showing up but you have to proof there is someone standing behind the closed door.

Not if the door is locked from the inside, isn't it?

And by the way, there's enough proof for the existence of God, although like I said earlier, it's not necessarily subjected to scientific rigour.

updatemachine:
Tintingz

How did the universe came about?

Good question. I hope he answers it shs.

jtigwell0:
do you even know up to 1000 people around you currently? because that is where human originated from and where we started populating the rest of the world.

So an all knowing deity cannot mention all the 100,000 prophets he sents? And no records of Islamic prophets in history of every nation?

recording started in 3200 BC, and the pharoah was said to have reigned from 1897 to 1878 BC

What's the name of the Pharaoh and which dynasty?

And looking at the BC calendar, it looks like it is counted backward and upward from AD, now do the counting when Egypt started keeping records.

not strong evidence because it doesnt suite your idea.. Ok!

I didn't said it, it is what the scientists said, fossil found in Africa is still the strong evidence so far because they were able to arange the fossils completely in human form.

jtigwell0:
You are locked in a bunker, you are never gonna come outside (that is destiny) you in the bunker can dance, run, sleep, eat, kill, sing, think(that is free will)
free will in enclosed in destiny but mutually inclusive..

Lol, are you saying destiny doesn't work in the bunker?

If destiny doesn't work in the bunker then where is the evidence of destiny?

Why do people said it is in my destiny to sing? What do you understand by "future"?

jtigwell0:
so nature takes life according to you? nature must be lifeful to do that..

Yes, nature also take life(natural death, natural disasters).

Ar rahmon

Why Ar rahmon, why not Zeus?

doesnt apply here..

Who gave such rule?

there are no answers to it as at 1:12 pm

Help yourself.

i mean your options have not the answer..

It is either you don't know the answer or scared to answer it.

updatemachine:
Tintingz

How did the universe came about?

There is no certain answer to that yet. I'm simply agnostic about it.

updatemachine:
what I think he is saying is free will is under destiny..like destiny has a limit, and free will is limited under destiny..

So which is superior? Destiny or freewill?

tintingz:
There is no certain answer to that yet. I'm simply agnostic about it.

ok...
Is there any evidence for Darwinism?

tintingz:
So which is superior? Destiny or freewill?

destiny

Rilwayne001:


Not if the door is locked from the inside, isn't it?

And by the way, there's enough proof for the existence of God, although like I said earlier, it's not necessarily subjected to scientific rigour.



Good question. I hope he answers it shs.

The door is closed, locked which ever one, the door stands as a screen or barrier, I used door for example.

And if there is enough proof for a deity, there won't be argument about existence of a god, I'm expecting god to proof himself and not people doing the job.

tintingz:
Yes, nature also take life(natural death, natural disasters).

nature and what?

Why Ar rahmon, why not Zeus?

linguistic

It is either you don't know the answer or scared to answer it.

when a question doesnt have an answer from the options, i think its clever to omit it..

updatemachine:
ok...
Is there any evidence for Darwinism?

Yes

jtigwell0:
nature and what?

Nature and living being actions.

linguistic

You agreed Zeus is almighty God?

when a question doesnt have an answer from the options, i think its clever to omit it..

Lol, I guess you can't answer Euthyphro philosophical question.

updatemachine:
destiny

Destiny is superior than freewill, @jtigwell0 you agree?

tintingz:
Nature and living being actions.

flop

You agreed Zeus is almighty God?

Zeus is the sky and thunder god

Lol, I guess you can't answer Euthyphro philosophical question.

lol, you asked a question and you brought 2 options and I said the answer is not in both option, then you call that euthyphro philosophical question? wow.. you're clever

tintingz:
Destiny is superior than freewill, @jtigwell0 you agree?

use same comparision with hard and soft broom... which is superior, the hard looks superior, but they both are different entirely..

jtigwell0:
because that is the purpose God wanted him to show arrogancy in the first place

Does God knew Satan will ask for forgiveness or not?

tintingz:


The door is closed, locked which ever one, the door stands as a screen or barrier, I used door for example.

And if there is enough proof for a deity, there won't be argument about existence of a god, I'm expecting god to proof himself and not people doing the job.

this is enough for me to believe someone is behind the door


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkHU48Yuu-0