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adjoviomole:
If the ministry does not do as Christ commands then find yourself a ministry that does. Don't use this as an excuse. If you're church does not worship God in spirit and in truth, if all the doctrines of Jesus are neglected, if your spirit does not bode well with the conduct of your church, find yourself a good church.

I am not saying don't pay tithe.
if you can pay the tithe directly to those who are the receivers
why not

Gggg102:
I am not saying don't pay tithe.
if you can pay the tithe directly to those who are the receivers
why not

Everything has a process. Some churches that are following the true value she edict of the word of God will find it hard to thrive. This churches have full time workers, who don't have any other job of their own only their dedication to work in the house of God, it is this money that is used to help them, the church wants to buy a new bus, new microphones and every other things necessary for effective worship, it is from tithe money they do them. If everyone decides to start giving their tithe to the poor, how will the ministry move forward.. Besides is it a must that you use the 10% tithe by giving it to the poor. Is it that without this tithe money ppl don't have any other money to give to the poor?

tk4rd:
It's like I missed something or what.??
Please come again..
What again was the reason that made you decide not to go to church the next day.?? (because you were not "tired" to go for shopping spree.. So,, how come the "tired nature" when it concerns church.??)

You are funny though. E be like say u never tired before when all that mattered to you would be to sleep the whole day away.

Who/where did God that created the idea of tithe asked you to pay it to?

There is a place for alms. (That is what you just did)

Do them with a cheerful heart and pure conscience.

JESUS SAID: DID YOU VISIT ME WHEN I WAS IN PRISON? DID YOU VISIT ME WHEN I WAS SICK? DID YOU FEED ME WHEN I WAS HUNGRY? He condemned the set of people that didn't oblige Actually I am still looking for where He said: DID YOU PAY YOUR TITHE?

adjoviomole:
Everything has a process. Some churches that are following the true value she edict of the word of God will find it hard to thrive. This churches have full time workers, who don't have any other job of their own only their dedication to work in the house of God, it is this money that is used to help them, the church wants to buy a new bus, new microphones and every other things necessary for effective worship, it is from tithe money they do them. If everyone decides to start giving their tithe to the poor, how will the ministry move forward.. Besides is it a must that you use the 10% tithe by giving it to the poor. Is it that without this tithe money ppl don't have any other money to give to the poor?

exactly we might have even been on the same side all along without knowing
it is not bad to pay tithe if it is used for God work(paying church workers, providing evangelizing instruments feeding the pastors if they don't have any other source of income and helping the downtrodden)

it is a good thing to pay tithe to the church
but the op's case is different he couldn't go to church so he gave it to one of the beneficiaries.
it is just like a doctor not going to church on a Sunday because he/she was responding to an emergency. you won't accuse that doctor for not attending church.
to me as long as you are doing what pleases God (primarily showing love)
you are doing the right thing.

Gggg102:
exactly we might have even been on the same side all along without knowing
it is not bad to pay tithe if it is used for God work(paying church workers, providing evangelizing instruments feeding the pastors if they don't have any other source of income and helping the downtrodden)

That's the whole essence of the tithe in the first place. It should not be used for personals gains or as a means of personal income like some churches and pastors do now.

Gggg102:
I am not against paying of tithe what I don't agree with is that people are saying what op did was not tithe
to me it is tithe because tithe is for the poor.
it is not bad to pay tithe to the church if they use it to help the poor
but if the pastor is using your tithe to enrich himself it makes no sense

You've finally said your mind, God said bring your tithes to his house, obey, get your blessing and pass. If you don't want to pay because you think you're enriching your pastor leave it, or change church. The OP has not paid his tithes, he has given to the poor,its really that simple. No need for I used it for this or I used it for that, we can all make that excuse. The fact I pay tithe has never stopped me from giving to the poor, but you guys keep making it sound like if it's not your tithe the poor won't see anything from you again. If he felt he was justified with what he's doing I don't think he'll need to open a thread to try to get like minded people to make him feel better about what he's doing.

adjoviomole:
Everything has a process. Some churches that are following the true value she edict of the word of God will find it hard to thrive. This churches have full time workers, who don't have any other job of their own only their dedication to work in the house of God, it is this money that is used to help them, the church wants to buy a new bus, new microphones and every other things necessary for effective worship, it is from tithe money they do them. If everyone decides to start giving their tithe to the poor, how will the ministry move forward.. Besides is it a must that you use the 10% tithe by giving it to the poor. Is it that without this tithe money ppl don't have any other money to give to the poor?

I bet you there is no church that is following the true value and world of God. What all the churches are doing is to satisfy their belly and selfish interest. All the Churches you around have today are hypocrites. They obey the passage of bible that will benefit them and dodge the ones that will not benefit them.

They want people to obey the one that will be of benefit to them but ignored that will not.

When it is tithe, they quickly quote Malachi...but they Ignore others like...woman should not talk in the church...Deaconess, woman pastors.

They ignore how bible described how church should be organized not one man show...but attacked you when they are told that General Overseers, President, Chairman, Presiding Pastor, Senior Pastor are not biblical.

Hypocrites EVERYWHERE...

Topgainer:
The wrong part of your narrative is to call 10% of your wages, your tithe. The worst part would have been to submit it before one gentile Bishop or his representative, and call that tithe.
10% of your monthly salary is not tithe and 100% of your first or January salary is not First Fruit. When you study your Bible you can't find this corrupted methods there.


Manipulator Bedspread. Malachi 3:10 did not talk about money but foodcrops and food store. It was addressed to Levite Priests and its references as it were, came from the Mosaic procedures for tithing which were violated by the Levite Priests. Your covetous eye sees money in every verse of the Bible. The Op is not under any obligations or law to take a percentage of his money to anywhere much less to a gentile Papa. Christianity simply says give cheerfully, there are more emphasis on giving to the poor and sharing with the brethren.

What conscience are you aiming at? The one molded by extortions and lies like pushing Malachi 3:10 to mean money and a weekly ritual for Christians who were not in the picture. The Op is not under any of your laws, so stop threatening Christians with your ideas (of course, it is not your ideas but that of smarter gods of men)

God bless you Sir, but I want to add, payment and collection of
tithes in Christianity IS SIN.

JMystique:
This is seems to be the only scripture the people who don't want to pay tithe can find amongst the numerous scriptures on tithing. What about numbers 18:26,Proverbs 3:9-10,2 Chron 31:4-5,Gen 14:19-20,Gen 28:20-22,Neh 10:35-37, Malachi 3...and numerous more. That's where God talk about tithes being for his storehouse, and his priests and the blessings it comes with. Look,if you don't want to pay tithe to God's house don't pay,its not by force,it carries it's own special blessing,it's your money, do what you want with it. Just don't keep looking for how to justify it with how you used it to feed the homeless or raise the dead, you have 90% of your increase to use for that, but for some reason it's that small 10% you have to use for that one. Na wa, is anybody pointing gun at you people's head to pay tithes that it bothers you people so much? If you don't want to pay leave it,end of. It's almost like if you pay your tithes you can't give to the poor again,haba

deut isnt for people dat dont wanna pay tithe its d only passage that emphasizes more on how tithe should be paid....whereas most of the passages u listed emphasizes mainly on first fruit and giving tithes to d levites whereas what did deut says Give ur tithes to the levites and strangers and needy.... Mal says bring the tithe to my storehouse not church...whats my point Its not mandatory to give the tithe to ur church or pastor... U can decide to give it to the poor also..its ur choice....? U all cant just ignore deut like it doesnt exist.... Btw u said its almost like if u pay ur tithe u cnt give to the poor again.. Who said that??.... Nobody stops u from giving... D only thing we are trying to prove with bliblical backup is that the op is very right to give that tithe to a beggar..giving it to ur priest isnt wrong if that is what ur hrt lust for ..and also giving it to a begger isnt wrong either..its all about what ur hrt desires..if next month he decides to give his tithe to his pastor , no p,.. The whole point is that he wasnt wrong and there are many ways to pay ur tithe.. Goodnyt..

Nobodys:
and how do you give to God dear.by giving to the needy...how to you cloth God. By clothing the naked..simple a b c

I was just thinking,

Money 100%

Tithe - 10%
Charity - 10%
You - 80% .


Give to God what belongs to God, that tithe to me is used in supporting the work of GOD.
Thanks

JMystique:
You've finally said your mind, God said bring your tithes to his house, obey, get your blessing and pass. If you don't want to pay because you think you're enriching your pastor leave it, or change church. The OP has not paid his tithes, he has given to the poor,its really that simple. No need for I used it for this or I used it for that, we can all make that excuse. The fact I pay tithe has never stopped me from giving to the poor, but you guys keep making it sound like if it's not your tithe the poor won't see anything from you again. If he felt he was justified with what he's doing I don't think he'll need to open a thread to try to get like minded people to make him feel better about what he's doing.

oga go and read deut 14 vs 22 to 29 and deut 26 vs 12...and stop saying that the op is wrong when u hav no biblical proof... He brought the issue here to learn more and we learn everyday.. I neva knew the op was right until i saw deut... So stop talkin baselessly... goodnyt

mdokaba1:
It was a very stressful week for me as it involved lots of travels and all. So its a Saturday and I was paid for a project I did for the month past.

Going by my tired nature, I knew deep down me that there was no way I could have made it to church the next day and I was hell bent on paying my tithe because of the inherent blessings therein and the last thing on my mind would be to give it to my nebor to pay it for me. (The guy broke and besides I didn't want him to start calculating my take-home (Na sharp man). And I knew deep down that if I keep the money till the next time I would be in church, I was sure I would spend it. (God have mercy on me sha)

So I decided even before getting home to package my tithe and while in the market on a shopping spree I package my tithe and dropped it in the plate of an old beggar. (A mulsim beggar precisely)

Instantly, I saw 50 shades of shocks on her face as she looked at me for a few seconds and I could read her facials more like "For this Buharia?" Lols. And before I disappeared into the crowd, I could see/read her lips mutter prayers pointing towards me. And deep down, I felt blessed and fulfilled.

But was I wrong to have given my 10percent to a beggar instead of to the alter?

Opinions please.

You are a perfect definition of those tagged hypocrites by Jesus if u giv a beggar your tithe keep it cool to your self not going round telling it on nairaland

akeensbussy:
I bet you there is no church that is following the true value and world of God. What all the churches are doing is to satisfy their belly and selfish interest. All the Churches you around have today are hypocrites. They obey the passage of bible that will benefit them and dodge the ones that will not benefit them.

They want people to obey the one that will be of benefit to them but ignored that will not.

When it is tithe, they quickly quote Malachi...but they Ignore others like...woman should not talk in the church...Deaconess, woman pastors.

They ignore how bible described how church should be organized not one man show...but attacked you when they are told that General Overseers, President, Chairman, Presiding Pastor, Senior Pastor are not biblical.

Hypocrites EVERYWHERE...

Of course their are good churches who do but are very few. The problem is that ppl love to go to churches where they will be told lies and what they want to hear, this churches who speak the undiluted truth have small members because ppl don't want to hear the truth.

JMystique:
People against this tithe thing make it sound like the tithe is suddenly the only money they have to give. God said 10% of your increase is for HIM,but in our oversabi and in our bid not to obey simple instruction we chose to read bible upside down so we can justify our disobedience. There's an instruction to pay your tithes, and there's a blessing,there is an instruction to give to the poor,there's a blessing, there's an instruction to give to your parents, there's a blessing. Even Jesus once said, 'the poor you will always have with you' when people were murmuring about giving him stuff. So if it's not your tithe you wouldn't have given that beggar something? Analyse,modify and misquote the bible all you want, scripture cannot be broken.God said 10% of your increase to HIS house, if you like use it to feed the homeless and act like that's the only money you ever have to give. There's a blessing for tithe,which you already know about,which you've missed out on. Stop decieving urself,if you don't want to pay tithe don't pay,its not by force, stop looking for justifications for your obedience

payment and collection of tithes in Christianity is the BIGGEST FRAUD in humanity

Rick9:
I was just thinking,

Money 100%

Tithe - 10%
Charity - 10%
You - 80% .


Give to God what belongs to God, that tithe to me is used in supporting the work of GOD.
Thanks

giving it to a beggar also supports Gods work... And in deut ,God clearly command us to give it to them

bedspread:
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts,

Why is it that you reason like Christians give tithe as support money to "missionary" pastors. Don't be self righteous, tithe was to support levites, why do you keep saying "give God"?

Jesus is the way to the Father, ur money logically should get to Him b4 reaching God, but Jesus wasn't interested in money or tithes. It was the Pharisees whom he criticized where feeding fat on temple collections.

C'mon, compare how Eli's sons and pastors nowadays treat tithes and offerings.

U live in the city, what's the mindset of those with church buildings in cities?

Jesus said something about being hungry, thirsty and in prison and how the worthy ones attended to him, that's really giving to God in this era of faith in Jesus not Mosaic instructions.

bedspread:
GOOD FOR U.... but if am to tell u wat I know about Tithe, I'll say u paid ur Tithe in the wrong way.

yhh, we nid to realize that there is a difference btw tithe and giving.
I'm not a pastor, but I know you give tithe to God via the church, while you give alms to the poor. Tithe(10% of your income) belong to God not you, so you can't give out what belongs to someone else.

You giving a beggar such amount of money is commendable, but you can't call it tithe as tithes should be paid in church.

coolexz7:
yhh, we nid to realize that there is a difference btw tithe and giving.
I'm not a pastor, but I know you give tithe to God via the church, while you give alms to the poor. Tithe(10% of your income) belong to God not you, so you can't give out what belongs to someone else.

You giving a beggar such amount of money is commendable, but you can't call it tithe as tithes should be paid in church.

GOD BLESS U BROTHER..... ONLY THE ALMIGHTY GOD MUST HV SAID THIS THROUGH YOU

You have done well sir. My only grouse on the topic of discourse is the way people quickly rush to quote Malachi 3 whenever the issue of tithe Is brought up. The question that keeps coming to my mind is that what does the bible really teach about tithe and tithing? I think we as Christians really need to ask ourselves which way we want to follow. The old testament ways or the apostolic ways which is the new testament ways. For those condemning the op using the book of Malachi, that particular passage did not describe what tithe entails. How it's to be paid? When it is to be paid? A lot of questions abound but for the sake of clarity, I want you to study the following verses and draw necessary conclusions from them:
Deuteronomy 14:22-29
Leviticus 27:30
Nehemiah 10:37-39
Matthew 23:23

Why are these verses of the scriptures not read to us in our churches every Sunday the way Malachi 3 is quoted prior to tithes and offering? Something is not just right somehow.

coolexz7:
yhh, we nid to realize that there is a difference btw tithe and giving.
I'm not a pastor, but I know you give tithe to God via the church, while you give alms to the poor. Tithe(10% of your income) belong to God not you, so you can't give out what belongs to someone else.

You giving a beggar such amount of money is commendable, but you can't call it tithe as tithes should be paid in church.

but tithe is given to the church for pastors priests all those who work for God and the needy but generally those who don't have a means of livelihood
(when tithes were instituted the levite did not own businesses so they would starve without it but most pastors today are well to do and they don't need it)

akeensbussy:
I bet you there is no church that is following the true value and world of God. What all the churches are doing is to satisfy their belly and selfish interest. All the Churches you around have today are hypocrites. They obey the passage of bible that will benefit them and dodge the ones that will not benefit them.

They want people to obey the one that will be of benefit to them but ignored that will not.

When it is tithe, they quickly quote Malachi...but they Ignore others like...woman should not talk in the church...Deaconess, woman pastors.

They ignore how bible described how church should be organized not one man show...but attacked you when they are told that General Overseers, President, Chairman, Presiding Pastor, Senior Pastor are not biblical.

Hypocrites EVERYWHERE...

if you search closely you will find at least 1 church that still preaches the truth

it was said bring all the tithe to my house making 3:10 simple ENGLISH [b]it was said bring all the tithe to my house making 3:10 simple ENGLISH [/b]it was said bring all the tithe to my house making 3:10 simple ENGLISH

HajimeSaito:
You have done the most noble thing a Christian can do. Don't listen to any son of Belial who tells you otherwise.

Proverbs 19:17

Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward them for what they have done.

Proverbs 28:27

Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses.

But did the bible ask us to be kind to the poor with OUR TITHES

Aren't there other channels u can show kindness 2d poor? Must it be God's %?

burner44:
You are a perfect definition of those tagged hypocrites by Jesus if u giv a beggar your tithe keep it cool to your self not going round telling it on nairaland

Haba Bros, that's rather too harsh for me na.

I only brought the issue here to be schooled on whether I did the right thing or not by giving to a beggar or to the alter.

Besides if I had disclosed the amount I gave the beggar that's where your harsh reaction would have fit in as been an act of hypocrisy.

I only sort to be clarified (of which I gained knowledge from hundreds of contributors) and not to show off my deed.

Easy abeg.

Indeed " natural man recieveth not d things of d Spirit for they r foolishness unto him,neither can he know them for they r spiritually discerned",(1cor 2:14), too bad a large number of peeps commenting on ds platform dont knw d significance of tithing,and r not willing to learn,my advice to d op,give unto ceazer wat belongs to ceazer and give unto God wat belongs to God,remember " to obey is better than sacrifice and to hearken than d fats of rams"

Lol..na wah oo same thing happened to me this morning on my way to church. The way the old begger talked to me that he's not eaten since the day before and i just couldn't imagine how he would be feeling being old hungry and alone..funny enough he looked neat with white native although rumpled and putting on bathing slippers..he also said he was just coming from the church but no one would help him.. i almost walked away when i remembered that i always used to argue with people that giving to beggers was same as paying tithes and offerings... So i gave it to him and left before he could say anoyher word. It felt good even when i had nothing left to put in the church collection..the scene kept playing in my head & i couldn't help but laugh silently.. Wrong or right it felt good tho

bedspread:
It's Wonderful to give to the poor... INFACT the Bible specifically talks about dt.

But Your Tithe is not a gift. Neither is it your money. Your Tithe is GOD's SHARE of your Money. And He Directs where it should be taken to. See Malachi 3:10

Dont waste ur time xplaining bro cos it wont change his mindset rather they will tag u a religious bigot......

Everyone is a function of what they are fed with in their various churches.

We know our position on this but would rather keep quiet than argue modern 'i too know church goers'.....

Paying ur tithe cement ground and expecting proceeds is stupidity.....

Am sure the bible also warned about sowing in a ground that's not fertile.....

Christ is the end of the Law. We are no longer under the Mosaic law.

Christ death freed us from the Law.

Do we still make animal sacrifices when we sin? No. Christ death put an end to all animal sacrifices.

The New testament or Christian scriptures never mentioned the word tithe.

All it says is, God loves a cheerful giver" (Acts 20:35)

cristianisraeli:
hahaha

bro my eyes don clear tay tay

no more paying magu money

i give the ones that truly need the money

offering can go to the church because i know the church needs money to pay bills and all

sowing seed,tithe and other bills way church they throw goes to the needy..period

wake up from your deep sleep

Ur so wrong bro