NPComplete:


Even many Jews in Israel believe most of their stories are allegories. Only the conservative politicians hold on to fundamentalist interpretation of the Torah to whip up sentiments and rally national pride. And the Orthodox Jews who just really believe. Most of the archaelogical debunking of the story of Moses and exodus were undertaking by Israeli academics and universities.

But some backwater Nigerians wants us to believe the story 100%.

The world renowned archeologist and academic power house called Prof Israel Finkelstein who is Jewish having conducted so many research and finds concluded that the Exodus is non historical, but some obscured Nigerian that doesn't even know how Egypt looks like what's us to believe because it was written in some ancient book.

butterflyl1on:



Everyone knows? Lmao

Answer the question

Answer Yes or no, "20 years from now, I will be in Canada." Is this a futuristic statement?

Shut up! Saying that the world will end in the future is very different from saying that the world will end in 20 years time.

Scholar8200:
Meanwhile, furthermore to the facts being a historical record of a nation, another reference is the places mentioned therein. Take for example:

https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuweiba

There is a very interesting read here


http://history-of-israel.org/history/chronological_presentation_introduction.php

Dalam0n:


Shut up! Saying that the world will end in the future is very different from saying that the world will end in 20 years time.

That is not the answer to the question you were asked. The question is very specific.

Answer Yes or no, "20 years from now, I will be in Canada." Is this a futuristic statement?

Scholar8200:
Meanwhile, furthermore to the facts being a historical record of a nation, another reference is the places mentioned therein. Take for example:

https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuweiba

scottish wikipedia?

DeistSlayer:


scottish wikipedia?

this made me laugh

Dalam0n:


The world renowned archeologist and academic power house called Prof Israel Finkelstein who is Jewish having conducted so many research and finds concluded that the Exodus is non historical, but some obscured Nigerian that doesn't even know how Egypt looks like what's us to believe because it was written in some ancient book.

academic powerhouse and yet his people are still expecting the Messiah? Academic powerhouse yet the same people still respect the Torah (authored by Moses of which Exodus is the second? You see, one man may speak for himself but that's just how far they can go.

http://www.6000years.org/red_sea_crossing.html

Scholar8200:
academic powerhouse and yet his people are still expecting the Messiah? Academic powerhouse yet the same people still respect the Torah (authored by Moses of which Exodus is the second? You see, one man may speak for himself but that's just how far they can go.

http://www.6000years.org/red_sea_crossing.html

Here is the time line on the history of israel


http://history-of-israel.org/history/time_line.php

Scholar8200:
academic powerhouse and yet his people are still expecting the Messiah? Academic powerhouse yet the same people still respect the Torah (authored by Moses of which Exodus is the second? You see, one man may speak for himself but that's just how far they can go.

How many of the people are still expecting the messiah?

Hope you know that Israel is one of the least religious countries in the world.

This is from one of the leading news papers in Israel.


"Israel Among the Least Religious Countries in the World
Only 30% of Israelis say they are religious, survey finds"

https://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.651616?v=150EF83CD4A46B2F18DD7E0CB6522268

Majority of the people living in Israel today do not believe in all the biblical hogwash.

hopefulLandlord:


this made me laugh

Dalam0n:


How many of the people are still expecting the messiah?

Hope you know that Israel is one of the least religious countries in the world.

This is from one of the leading news papers in Israel.


"Israel Among the Least Religious Countries in the World
Only 30% of Israelis say they are religious, survey finds"

https://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.651616?v=150EF83CD4A46B2F18DD7E0CB6522268

Majority of the people living in Israel today do not believe in all the biblical hogwash.

We are speaking here from a historical point of view. Even the Bible did not hide the fact that majority of them rejected Jesus Christ when He came.(by the way, that is faithful representation at its finest!). Meanwhile, a sample is not always a perfect representative of the universal set. A good example would be America prior to the last elections. Besides, why then would PM Benjamin, quote Amos' prophecy in a UN assembly?

NPComplete:
Olaadegbu and his backwards logic. Sometimes posts like this make me wonder if u wear your shoe as a hat.

So the proof of realism of a book is in the amount of restriction to the access of that book, right? That means that all the fictional books banned throughout history contain real accounts because they were banned at one place or another.

When will we stop having stupid arguments like this on Nairaland?

LMAO

I've seen that you're savage I've seen a couple of your posts, savagery is part of you

Dalam0n:


How many of the people are still expecting the messiah?

Hope you know that Israel is one of the least religious countries in the world.

This is from one of the leading news papers in Israel.


"Israel Among the Least Religious Countries in the World
Only 30% of Israelis say they are religious, survey finds"

https://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.651616?v=150EF83CD4A46B2F18DD7E0CB6522268

Majority of the people living in Israel today do not believe in all the biblical hogwash.

Here is a report that is more accurate and cancels out yours


http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/howrelisr.htm

Scholar8200:
We are speaking here from a historical point of view. Meanwhile, a sample is not always a perfect representative of the universal set. A good example would be America prior to the last elections. Besides, why then would PM Benjamin, quote Amos' prophecy in a UN assembly?

I've actually been to Israel about 8 years ago and my trip there is also part of the reason I am an atheist today but that is a discussion for another day . The people there are not religious. Go there interact with them and you'll see it for yourself.

Their PM is a politician and he'll do and say anything to appeal to the emotions of people he knows will take his speech seriously especially when a large part of the world revere the bible and take it to be true.

The Israeli PM quoting some obscured prophecy from the bible is NO different from the Indian PM quoting some obscured prophecy from the Verdes.

Dalam0n:


I've actually been to Israel about 8 years ago and my trip there is also part of the reason I am an atheist today but that is a discussion for another day . The people there are not religious. Go there interact with them and you'll see it for yourself.

Their PM is a politician and he'll do and say anything to appeal to the emotions of people he knows will take his speech seriously especially when a large part of the world revere the bible and take it to be true.

The Israeli PM quoting some obscured prophecy from the bible is NO different from the Indian PM quoting some obscured prophecy from the Verdes.

That's your opinion. Besides, was that factual? Do you know those found at UN assembly? I didnt say National assembly.

And kindly give a special attention to:

butterflyl1on:


Here is a report that is more accurate and cancels out yours


http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/howrelisr.htm

butterflyl1on:


Here is a report that is more accurate and cancels out yours


http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/howrelisr.htm

What criteria did you use to establish that it is more accurate and cancels the one stated by Haaretz?

Scholar8200:
That's your opinion. Besides, was that factual? Do you know those found at UN assembly? I didnt say National assembly.

Human beings are found at the UN. After all it is the same UN that Collin Powell went and delivered a totally bogus and made up charges against Iraq during the lead up to the war. His presentation was so convincing that it changed some minds but it ended up to be all lies.

Anybody can quote lies anywhere. Quoting the bible in the UN doesn't mean that the Over 7 billion people alive today are decendants of Noah and his family after some mythical global flood that allegedly happened about 4500 years ago.

Dalam0n:


Human beings are found at the UN. After all it is the same UN that Collins Powell went and dilivered a totally bogus and made up charges against Iraq during the lead up to the war. His presentation was so convicting that it changed sone minds but it ended up to be all lies.

Anybody can quote lies anywhere. Quoting the bible in the UN doesn't mean that the Ober 7 billion people alive today are decendants of Noah and his family from some mythical global floof that allegedly happened about 4500 years ago.

ok.

realmindz:
Behold the Jew, saviour of the blacks

Do you genuinely believe that blacks have been saved? Wow.

Dalam0n:


What criteria did you use to establish that it is more accurate and cancels the one stated by Haaretz?

It's chronologically detailed and yours isn't.

butterflyl1on:


It's chronologically detailed and yours isn't.

That's not a convincing reason or a reason at all. Haaretz referenced a poll that was that was done by WIN/Gallup which are both reputable polling organizations.

That their raw data wasn't published but only the results presented doesn't make the one you posted more true. You should provide more credible reasons why you feel the one from JCPA is more credible instead of the reason you gave. That is not a reason at all.

Dalam0n:


That's not a convincing reason or a reason at all. Haaretz referenced a poll that was that was done by WIN/Gallup which are both reputable polling organizations.

That their raw data wasn't published but only the results presented doesn't make the one you posted more true. You should provide more credible reasons why you feel the one from JCPA is more credible instead of the reason you gave. That is not a reason at all.

So you claim as always.

JCPA stands for Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.



The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs is a leading independent research institute specializing in public diplomacy and foreign policy. Founded in 1976, the Center has produced hundreds of studies and initiatives by leading experts on a wide range of strategic topics.

This is a list of their experts

http://jcpa.org/the-jerusalem-center-experts/

Be sure to read on each one and then come back and say my reason isn't a reason as usual

butterflyl1on:


So you claim as always.

JCPA stands for Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.



The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs is a leading independent research institute specializing in public diplomacy and foreign policy. Founded in 1976, the Center has produced hundreds of studies and initiatives by leading experts on a wide range of strategic topics.

This is a list of their experts

http://jcpa.org/the-jerusalem-center-experts/

Be sure to read on each one and then come back and say my reason isn't a reason as usual

From Wikipedia :

"Gallup, Inc. is an American research-based, global performance-management consulting company. Founded by George Gallup in 1935, the company became known for its public opinion polls conducted worldwide. It provides research and strategic consulting to large organizations in many countries, focusing on "analytics and advice to help leaders and organizations solve their most pressing problems".

Gallop is a leading reputable polling institution with global recognition. I am not asking you for recognition but for the criteria used to determine the credibility of one over the other.

Dalam0n:


From Wikipedia :

"Gallup, Inc. is an American research-based, global performance-management consulting company. Founded by George Gallup in 1935, the company became known for its public opinion polls conducted worldwide. It provides research and strategic consulting to large organizations in many countries, focusing on "analytics and advice to help leaders and organizations solve their most pressing problems".

Gallop is a leading reputable polling institution with global recognition. I am not asking you for recognition but for the criteria used to determine the credibility of one over the other.

I already told you chronological detail. Show me those from Gallup which show chronological detail.

butterflyl1on:


I already told you chronological detail. Show me those from Gallup which show chronological detail.

The news paper only announced the results. It didn't include the methodology used by gallop. Chronology is not a reason to establish credibility of one over the other. I thought you had credible reasons to present.

lindabon:


Do you genuinely believe that blacks have been saved? Wow.

yes of course, Jesus has saved us from our black demonic ancestors. We have been washed cleaned with the jewish blood and we are now born again.

I can proudly say that Noah is my ancestor though there is no place in any African culture and tribe that made mention of Noah, but who am I to question? I will rather believe unlogical things as long as it is in the bible.

Praise be to white master Jesus! Other whites enslaved us with brutality and violence but our white master saviour Jesus has enslaved us mentally through peacfull means. Is he not worthy of being called a saviour?

Dalam0n:


The news paper only announced the results. It didn't include the methodology used by gallop. Chronology is not a reason to establish credibility of one over the other. I thought you had credible reasons to present.

You seem confused. The thread talks about the bible not being a fairytale and you claim it is and I showed you a chronological history of Israel via the website and in addition a poll about religion in Israel and you say chronology is not a reason to establish credibility?

I laugh in kindergarten

Dalam0n:


The news paper only announced the results. It didn't include the methodology used by gallop. Chronology is not a reason to establish credibility of one over the other. I thought you had credible reasons to present.

Also pew research supports my already given website based on Israel and religion. Pew research and JCPA are calling you a liar

Israel is deeply religious.

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

butterflyl1on:


You seem confused. The thread talks about the bible not being a fairytale and you claim it is and I showed you a chronological history of Israel via the website and in addition a poll about religion in Israel and you say chronology is not a reason to establish credibility?

I laugh in kindergarten

How have you shown that the bible is not a fairy tale? By providing a Jewish website that shows the so called time line of the Jewish nation? How does this disprove the fairy tale that is the Noah's global flood that is allaged to have wiped out all land animals and humans about 4500 years ago except the family of Noah?

How does that show that the tower of babel and it's claim of laguages isn't a fairly tale? What about the appearance of the rainbow for example? What are you saying? So because a time line by Jews mention some biblical characters mean it must be true?

The Kaaba is still there standing in Saudi Arabia according to the Muslim time line it was built by prophet Abraham. Shold we then accept it because it appears in history? Your. Logic ehn? No be small.

As for the research the newspaper only published the results and not the methodology used. Chronology applies to the poll and nothing else Mr spinner m

Dalam0n:


How have you shown that the bible is not a fairy tale? By providing a Jewish website that shows the so called time line of the Jewish nation? How does this disprove the fairy tale that is the Noah's global flood that is allaged to have wiped out all land animals and humans about 4500 years ago except the family of Noah?

How does that show that the tower of babel and it's claim of laguages isn't a fairly tale? What about the appearance of the rainbow for example? What are you saying? So because a time line by Jews mention some biblical characters mean it must be true?

The Kaaba is still there standing in Saudi Arabia according to the Muslim time line it was built by prophet Abraham. Shold we then accept it because it appears in history? Your. Logic ehn? No be small.

As for the research the newspaper only published the results and not the methodology used. Chronology applies to the poll and nothing else Mr spinner m

I don hear.. Keep arguing with yourself

Pewresearch just slammed your entire claim that Israel is deeply non religious. You can argue with pew research all night if you like. Facts don't lie

butterflyl1on:


Also pew research supports my already given website based on Israel and religion. Pew research and JCPA are calling you a liar

Israel is deeply religious.

http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

Its very clear from PEW research that you are lying.

Israel is NOT deeply religious. The majority group from the PEW research is the Hiloni which is 40% of the population. By far the largest group compared to the rest

What is the Hiloni? From Wikipedia :

"Hiloni (Hebrew: חִלּוֹנִי‎), plural hilonim (Hebrew: חִלּוֹנִים‎), derived from the Hebrew word hulin, meaning "secular" or "mundane,"is the term used in Israel for non-religious Jews, some of whom identify with Jewish secularism and secular Jewish culture.[1]"

So clearly from the PEW research the largest group is the Hiloni (Non religious).

The PEW research shows you are a liar.