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Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by JackBizzle: 5:36pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
As discussed earlier, Butterflyl1on and I are going to have a debate on the topic; Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? I believe that there is steep indoctrination in christianity while Butterflyl1on believes it is the other way around. So, let the debate start. Please, no insults. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Saverin: 5:40pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by JackBizzle: 5:43pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
My first argument There is a lot of indoctrination in christianity. I say this because it is a religion that is taught to young children at a stage where they are gullible. Christianity is not taught with logic and open-mindedness. It is usually taught with visions of hell for the disobedient and it is taught as fact, whereas it is just one religion out of hundreds. Facts 1. The fact is that most christians today are people who were born into christianity. The only exception to this is South Korea where it spread like wildfire, but it is changing as the youths there are leaving religion. 2. Christianity is taught as fact. Children are not allowed to question dogma. As a catholic child questioning the trinity will get you stern chiding or evasive answers. 3. There is a study that shows that religious children are less likely to separate fact from fiction http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-28537149 10 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by chemystery: 6:12pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Following... |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 6:22pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Your first points are too simple, but let me follow the debate and see how it goes. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:33pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on. sir mbok , I beg you , let me take your place in this debate . To utterly destroy this guy is sweeting me now . You are way too big for him anyway .Let me finish him off completely into oblivion. mbok 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 6:41pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Where and when did I say it was the other way round? This is what happens when somebody does not think a thread through and just opens a Christianity Vs atheism thread. So let me break it down for you Indoctrination simply means TO TEACH! In no place did I say religion is not indoctrination (belief through teaching) what I said was that atheism is ALSO caused by indoctrination. A major causal factor of atheism is the "secular indoctrination of a generation". A generation being found in each individual. For example, a man becomes an atheist and from him a future generation would spring forth so this man who is the first atheist represents a generation. He in turn would begin TO TEACH (indoctrinate) about what and how he arrived at being an atheist. In 2013, a study found that academia was less likely to hire evangelical Christians due to discriminatory attitudes which in turn aided the indoctrination of atheism in schools. https://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/06/10/suspicions-confirmed-academia-shutting-out-conservative-professors-n1616406/page/full Some of this indoctrination was carried out through force as declared here by the university of cambridge
From the immediate past to today, Atheists have focused considerable efforts on the public schools in order to indoctrinate young people into atheistic beliefs. The new atheists Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss claim that children need state protection from religion/religion of children's parents. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/richard-dawkins-the-government-needs-to-protect-children-from-religion-and Here is an extract from the website There is a balancing act and you have to balance the rights of parents and the rights of children, and I think the balance has swung too far towards parents,” Dawkins told the Irish Times. “Children do need to be protected so that they can have a proper education and not be indoctrinated in whatever religion their parents happen to have been brought up in.” In a nutshell what Dawkins said is that we need to teach (indoctrinate) our children with science over the Bible despite his first saying THERE SHOULD BE A BALANCE. We have seen atheists even here on nairaland who hold firmly to evolutionalism over creationism simply because THEY HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO DARWINISM. Indoctrination is not a religious thing but indoctrination is found in ALL AREAS OF life including atheism. Just as I started off saying, indoctrination simply means TO TEACH and when one is not allowed to be taught a certain thing he or she would be thought something else as a replacement and in this case, atheism speaks of science, philosophy, etc and some are self indoctrinated while some are third party indoctrinated. To further buttress my point, right here on nairaland a thread was opened talking about an atheist convention. Here is the thread https://www.nairaland.com/4099120/official-announcement-board-atheist-society In that convention a certain bill flavell (a white man) has been specially invited to help TEACH (INDOCTRINATE) Those who would attend and I believe that the reason a white man was specifically invited is because the host believes he knows something they do not know or he is more enlightened so needs to come and pass on the knowledge aka TEACH aka INDOCTRINATE about ROAD TO REASON. so anyone who claims atheism is not indoctrination is simply deceiving his or herself 4 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 6:42pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: I will love to participate in this debate. We can make it a two way thing you and butterflylion against me and JackBizzle. Drop your points I drop mine and the we counter each other's point's. No insult just simple dropping of points and countering of the points dropped. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 6:44pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Leave jackbizzle he never reasons far enough to be taken seriously anyway. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:02pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Dalam0n: Great idea . I'm in 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:02pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Very true 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by chemystery: 7:11pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
When you say assassination simply means killing , then it will be right if someone say "I assassinated a ram for Ramadan celebration". This is pointing out the insincerity and skewing of the true meaning of indoctrination by butterflyl1on with the motive of placing atheism in the same umbrella with Christianity. Indoctrination simply means to teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs with no room for criticism or consideration of whether what is being taught is right or wrong. Teaching someone how to think deep, rationally or critically cannot be defined as indoctrination since it gives room for logical reasoning, evaluation of data and facts before arriving at a conclusion. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:12pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Jackbizzle can you share with us how you became an atheist. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:16pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
chemystery: Kindly stop disrupting. To understand any word. Go to its source. View the attached and stop disrupting This is from Merriam Webster dictionary 1 Like
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by CAPSLOCKED: 7:19pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: ALL MY LIFE, I'VE NEVER KNOWN A MAN MORE ADDICTED TO LOSING LIKE YOU. YOU'RE MORE THAN ADDICTED, LOSING IS IN YOUR DNA. YOU SAY EVERYTHING WRONGLY AND DON'T EVER GET ANYTHING RIGHT. YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE THE MOST FLAWED, AND I THINK YOU'RE THE DUMBEST IN THE LAND. I USED TO THINK YOU'RE THE JOKER TYPE BUT I GOT TO LATER FIND OUT, THAT THIS IS THE REAL YOU. YOUR SLAVE ANCESTORS ARE UNIMPRESSED. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 7:19pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
When you begin by dishonestly defining words, then you shouldn't expect anybody to take you seriously. butterflyl1on: To teach what? There is no dictionary anywhere that defines indoctrination only as meaning to teach. Indoctrination does not mean only to teach as you are trying to claim. I will give you a dictionary definition of indoctrination. indoctrination ɪnˌdɒktrɪˈneɪʃ(ə)n/ noun 1. the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically. "I would never subject children to religious indoctrination". 2 :to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle. Indoctrination is not a religious thing but indoctrination is found in ALL AREAS OF life including atheism. Just as I started off saying, indoctrination simply means TO TEACH False, indoctrination does not mean to teach. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines indoctrination as: "To imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle." This is very different as simply saying to teach. 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:23pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Dalam0n: I have responded to both you and chemystery above. You can stop disrupting now. ANYTHING TAUGHT IS INDOCTRINATION BE IT DOCTRINE, DOCUMENTS. ACADEMIA, ETC. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by johnydon22(m): 7:24pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:27pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED: Why am I not surprised? When the entire purpose of the thread has been blown through the roof by my very first post and shown to be a ridiculous thread the next line of attack is ad hominems. Still does not change my post and the fact that atheism by whatever form it was arrived at was through indoctrination in that area. Now that you have said your much beloved ad hominem can you now stop disrupting. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:29pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by chemystery: 7:30pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:It is not by posting images Also see synonyms and the definition labelled archaic. 4 Likes
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:33pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
chemystery: Please stop disrupting. indoctrinate [ in-dok-truh-neyt ] Main Entry: indoctrinate Part of Speech: verb Definition: brainwash Synonyms: break down, convince, drill, ground, imbue, implant, inculcate, influence, initiate, instill, instruct, plant, program, school, teach, train, work over http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/indoctrinate 1 Like
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Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 7:35pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: You did not respond to anything. Even the document you posted clearly said that was the OLD definition of indoctrination. It Cleary said that from the 19th century the definition of the word had changed. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by budaatum: 7:36pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:You are deceiving yourself. Please make sure you read the definition of Indoctrination. It does not simply mean, "to teach"! ‘Now, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!’ Hard Times, by Charles Dickens |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 7:37pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: But this one defines it as brainwash, so where does that leave you na? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:37pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Dalam0n: Jackbizzle I believe you invited me to this debate and not all this disturbance. If you wish to condone this nonsense then I will leave. If anyone cannot understand a simple post and wishes to just troll in ignorance then dalaman stop distracting me with your obvious ignorance. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by chemystery: 7:38pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:It's evident you can't take up an argument without bring in lies and insincerity. Teach is synonym for indoctrinate but not the nearest in meaning just like kill is synonym of assassinate but not nearest in meaning. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 7:38pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
budaatum: He gave a dictionary definition that defines it as brainwash yet he is still shouting to teach. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:39pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Dalam0n: I believe you know what a synonym means and you saw chemystery when he mentioned synonym and you can clearly see TEACH in my synonym. Please for the last time stop disrupting. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by chemystery: 7:42pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
Dalam0n:I told JackBizzle there is no need inviting butterflyl1on for a debate. I have always known him as one who roots his debates on insincerity and builds it off from there. You just have to correct him from the roots else you end up clutching on straws with him 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by butterflyl1on: 7:42pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
chemystery: Of course another ad hominem attack when an argument is already lost. To school means to teach. Doc in inDOCtrinate means TO TEACH. indoctrinate was derived from Latin and it's Latin source means TO TEACH. |
Re: Atheism VS Christianity, Which One Is A Result Of Indoctrination? by Dalam0n: 7:43pm On Oct 24, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Hurry up and leave! If you want to debate honestly then do so. If you want to engage in dishonesty then pack your kaya and get the hell out. Nobody wants your dishonest noise. 1 Like |
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