THE CONTRADICTIONS ACCORDING TO JESUS

(1) Luke 14:28 - 31

*For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

*Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

* Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

*Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

(2) Matthew 6:25 - 27

*Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

*Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

*Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

I was really not comfortable in my rational self, back in the years that i was taught the Bible and that i preached to sheeples from the Bible. I possibly couldn't be numbed, to the pricking of contradictions, absurdities and denial of reality whenever i ponder on the biblical teachings.

From the very words of Jesus, as quoted above, it will take minds that are perfectly immersed in pool of illusion and delusion, to find pleasure in gathering where this contradictions are taught and the Bible where it's written.

God-idea is a significant source of confusion. No group of people, are as confused and self harming, as those infested and afflicted by Yahweh-Virus.

If you're sceptic of God-idea now, especially the Yahweh variant, it's sign that your deliverance from God-delusion is near. You will find your God-burden lifted and the yoke of illusion broken off your neck, if you accept Reason into your life, as your personal Lord and saviour.

Reason bless you!

#epihanic

no contradiction only you are confused and you don't know the Scripture neither the power in it

Luke 14:28-31centre on the condition of becoming Jesus disciple, if truly one want to follow Jesus he should count the cost less he started what he can not finish


Matthew 6:26-27 center on trust in the Lord, Jesus was addressing his listeners not to be worried about the earthly things like food, clothing, shelter etc but rather they should seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all this things (clothing, food, shelter etc) shall be added unto them.
pls go back and read Matthew 6:26- the end

ysyowel:
no contradiction only you are confused and you don't know the Scripture neither the power in it

Luke 14:28-31centre on the condition of becoming Jesus disciple, if truly one want to follow Jesus he should count the cost less he started what he can not finish


Matthew 6:26-27 center on trust in the Lord, Jesus was addressing his listeners not to be worried about the earthly things like food, clothing, shelter etc but rather they should seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all this things (clothing, food, shelter etc) shall be added unto them.
pls go back and read Matthew 6:26- the end

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Yes. Nothing to add.

Calm down people

Jesus never existed

ysyowel:
no contradiction only you are confused and you don't know the Scripture neither the power in it

Luke 14:28-31centre on the condition of becoming Jesus disciple, if truly one want to follow Jesus he should count the cost less he started what he can not finish


Matthew 6:26-27 center on trust in the Lord, Jesus was addressing his listeners not to be worried about the earthly things like food, clothing, shelter etc but rather they should seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all this things (clothing, food, shelter etc) shall be added unto them.
pls go back and read Matthew 6:26- the end

It's the foolishness of being a disciple to a deluded mind like Jesus, that's the crux of the post.

If your Jesus, will want those who wish to follow him, to sit back, and have serious and thoughtful consideration about that decision.

But will have them, in another contradicting teaching, not to give same pondering to how their needs will be provided for and sustained.

It's evident that there's no other means by which human needs can be met, except by actual thoughts and actions, directed at meeting those needs.

The talk about birds not in active search for their needs, as referred to in the following verses by your Jesus, is a stupid one. Go watch animal planet on dstv, you will see the intelligent efforts of birds, when it comes to their survival.

The rogues called pastors, will die of starvation, if they have to wait for Yahweh provide for them.

ysyowel:
no contradiction only you are confused and you don't know the Scripture neither the power in it

Luke 14:28-31 centre on the condition of becoming Jesus disciple, if truly one want to follow Jesus he should count the cost less he started what he can not finish


Matthew 6:26-27 center on trust in the Lord, Jesus was addressing his listeners not to be worried about the earthly things like food, clothing, shelter etc but rather they should seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all this things (clothing, food, shelter etc) shall be added unto them.
pls go back and read Matthew 6:26- the end

I lift up my sword to salute Ysyowel. This is an absolutely brilliant rebuttal of the OP's crude and illogical attempt to present himself as a man of higher reason. The OP seems oblivious of the fact that humans can use three mental faculties to think; the lowest is Logic, then Reason and finally the highest faculty is Intuition.

After examining the OP's conclusions of Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31 it becomes obvious that he is an unregistered Low-Level Atheist using crude logic to deceive and entrap those that was about enter the kingdom. He loosely describes himself as having studied and even taught the Holy Bible. Akintom reminds me of Nairalands fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye who claims he was Born-again and Holy-Spirit filled. The consequence of using the Holy Gospel scriptures for their own selfish ambitions is tragic and perpetrator always manifest symptoms of mental disease.

Love is truth. It is an act of love to inform the OP that he is fighting a loosing battle because the mighty Jewish nation failed for more than 2000 years to destroy life-giving truth about Jesus Christ. To cover their guilt of killing their God sent Messiah, from the rest of the world the Jews wrote and distributed many fake manuscripts to portray the mighty Jesus as a fake or even as non-existent.

To use the OP's own words to describe his predicament, Akindom is perfectly immersed in a pool of illusion and delusion.

akintom:


It's the foolishness of being a disciple to a deluded mind like Jesus, that's the crux of the post.

If your Jesus, will want those who wish to follow him, to sit back, and have serious and thoughtful consideration about that decision.

But will have them, in another contradicting teaching, not to give same pondering to how their needs will be provided for and sustained.

It's evident that there's no other means by which human needs can be met, except by actual thoughts and actions, directed at meeting those needs.

The talk about birds not in active search for their needs, as referred to in the following verses by your Jesus, is a stupid one. Go watch animal planet on dstv, you will see the intelligent efforts of birds, when it comes to their survival.

The rogues called pastors, will die of starvation, if Yahweh really provides.

just check the meaning of these words "think" and "worry". Your problem is the lack of a dictionary.

ScienceWatch:
I lift up my sword to salute Ysyowel. The OP seems oblivious of the fact that humans can use three mental faculties to think; the lowest is Logic, then Reason and finally the highest faculty is Intuition.

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can you enlight me more on logic, intuition and reasons

Worrying is different from Planning.

You Plan before embarking on any endeavor


But you don't worry about how your plans will work and if it will not work.


Even after your planning, death can come knocking.

That's why you don't worry.

That's what My Lord Jesus said.

Glory to the Ancient of Days

Glory to his Lamb Jesus

akintom:



It's evident that there's no other means by which human needs can be met, except by actual thoughts and actions, directed at meeting those needs.

The talk about birds not in active search for their needs, as referred to in the following verses by your Jesus, is a stupid one. Go watch animal planet on dstv, you will see the intelligent efforts of birds, when it comes to their survival.

You are multiplying your problems a hundred fold Akindom, by using the above crude logic to argue that the mighty Jesus Christ contradicted himself in Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31.

When you claim that, "It's the foolishness of being a disciple to a deluded mind like Jesus, that's the crux of the post." you are in fact unconsciously revealing your own extremely deluded mind to millions of enlightened readers world wide.

The alleged scientific findings that Atheism is a mental disease is evidenced here in your crude arguments against verifiable evidence that every word Jesus spoke is a reality and is demonstrated daily to millions via Emmanuel TV, which is just one of many growing numbers of TV channels that is severely diluting all Low-level Atheists attacks on the Deity of the mighty Jesus Christ.

No thinking person that has raised their thinking to the higher level of REASON can agree with the OP's conclusion on Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31. Any person that has entered into the highest level of Intuition will have a fit of laugh out loud, roll of the chair, stomach cramping kind of laughter.

vaxx:
can you enlighten me more on logic, intuition and reason.

Lol you have a highly developed intellect Vaxx. Way above mine. You must help unwary readers to understand the dangerous mind-games low-level Atheists use to market their false opinions and mistake their empty words for substantive reality.

When words does duty for the inconceivable, as in the case of the OP, it may soon blind the judgment of men and lead them to accept the non-existent. This is pseudo/false interpretation, this lame use of one meaningless term after another and moving in a circle which returns to the original words without having provided any real explanation of meaning during its journey.

Magnificent verbal worlds are thus constructed in which their creators live happily ever after! Men everywhere entertain false opinions through their lazy habit of inferring that something named is something that exists, through their corrupt educated tendency
to mistake empty words for substantial realities.

That is why the OP need to examine his statements to ascertain whether they are really thinkable or whether they are merely pseudo-meanings—sets of symbols with nothing substantial in human experience that actually corresponds to them. In short, it is the need to get at what is truly known, to unveil hidden assumptions, and to clarify what is being done when a thing is said to be true.

Logic serves its purpose when applied to material things and has serious limitations when used to examine the deeper meanings of Ethics, morality and spirit.

Originakalokalo:


Worrying is different from Planning.

You Plan before embarking on any endeavor


But you don't worry about how your plans will work and if it will not work.


Even after your planning, death can come knocking.

That's why you don't worry.

That's what My Lord Jesus said.

Glory to the Ancient of Days

Glory to his Lamb Jesus

I agree. These words are very refreshing to a humans heart. These words have no value to the hardened psuedo logical minds of low-level Atheists.

ScienceWatch:
Lol you have a highly developed intellect Vaxx.

Logic serves its purpose when applied to material things and has serious limitations when used to examine the deeper meanings of Ethics, morality and spirit.

I salute your interpretation........ This is deep......

vaxx:
I salute your interpretation........ This is deep......

Thanks. Our education systems has been engineered to leave us with out emotional/spiritual intelligence.

If the Akindom is serious, he has to learn how to frame questions correctly if he is to secure correct answers. Eighteenth-century chemists lost themselves in the falsity of the Phlogiston theory because they asked "What special substance is involved in the process of burning?"
instead of asking, "What kind of process is burning?"

Language must be adjusted to fit the pursuit of truth, and not vice versa. Words which carry no meaning must be ruthlessly abandoned. Words which carry false meaning must be corrected. Words which carry ambiguous meaning must be sharply clarified.

Words which pretend to represent fact but really represent imagination must be revealed for what they are. All such words hold the budding truth seeker in chains and limit the field of his enquiry until he separate the conceptual reality of their meanings from the actual reality and the fictitious significance from the real significance.

The clarity of words ultimate meanings is a necessary stage in the revelation of ultimate truth, because it involves the wholesale
reconstruction of thought.

Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31 will be found to hold no contradictions whatsoever.

ScienceWatch:
Thanks. Our education systems has been engineered to leave us with out emotional/spiritual intelligence.

If the Akindom is serious, he has to learn how to frame questions correctly if he is to secure correct answers. Eighteenth-century chemists lost themselves in the falsity of the Phlogiston theory because they asked "What special substance is involved in the process of burning?"
instead of asking, "What kind of process is burning?"

Language must be adjusted to fit the pursuit of truth, and not vice versa. Words which carry no meaning must be ruthlessly abandoned. Words which carry false meaning must be corrected. Words which carry ambiguous meaning must be sharply clarified.

Words which pretend to represent fact but really represent imagination must be revealed for what they are. All such words hold the budding truth seeker in chains and limit the field of his enquiry until he separate the conceptual reality of their meanings from the actual reality and the fictitious significance from the real significance.

The clarity of words ultimate meanings is a necessary stage in the revelation of ultimate truth, because it involves the wholesale
reconstruction of thought.

word

ScienceWatch:
I lift up my sword to salute Ysyowel. This is an absolutely brilliant rebuttal of the OP's crude and illogical attempt to present himself as a man of higher reason. The OP seems oblivious of the fact that humans can use three mental faculties to think; the lowest is Logic, then Reason and finally the highest faculty is Intuition.

After examining the OP's conclusions of Matthew 6:26-27 and Luke 14:28-31 it becomes obvious that he is an unregistered Low-Level Atheist using crude logic to deceive and entrap those that was about enter the kingdom. He loosely describes himself as having studied and even taught the Holy Bible. Akintom reminds me of Nairalands fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye who claims he was Born-again and Holy-Spirit filled. The consequence of using the Holy Gospel scriptures for their own selfish ambitions is tragic and perpetrator always manifest symptoms of mental disease.

Love is truth. It is an act of love to inform the OP that he is fighting a loosing battle because the mighty Jewish nation failed for more than 2000 years to destroy life-giving truth about Jesus Christ. To cover their guilt of killing their God sent Messiah, from the rest of the world the Jews wrote and distributed many fake manuscripts to portray the mighty Jesus as a fake or even as non-existent.

To use the OP's own words to describe his predicament, Akindom is perfectly immersed in a pool of illusion and delusion.

This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

ScienceWatch:
Thanks. Our education systems has been engineered to leave us with out emotional/spiritual intelligence.

hmmmmmm..this is absolutely true..

ScienceWatch:
Thanks. Our education systems has been engineered to leave us with out emotional/spiritual intelligence.

hmmmmmm..this is absolutely true..especially in this part of the continent I live.

Ranchhoddas:
This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

study sciencewatch post very well...he do make a lot of sense.....may be you do not like his approach..... The guy is actually smart....

While we await "jesus" trumpet, his horse and fiery chariots.

vaxx:
study sciencewatch post very well...he do make a lot of sense.....may be you do not like his approach..... The guy is actually smart....

Not to me he doesn't.

Ranchhoddas:
Not to me he doesn't.

I agree !

Originakalokalo:


Worrying is different from Planning.

You Plan before embarking on any endeavor


But you don't worry about how your plans will work and if it will not work.


Even after your planning, death can come knocking.

That's why you don't worry.

That's what My Lord Jesus said.

Glory to the Ancient of Days

Glory to his Lamb Jesus

It's this foolish teaching, that condemns many to praying for things, that requires simple planning and perseverance.

If it's about worry, why do Christians still pray for necessities of life? They pray for these things, because they are perfectly deluded not to think and plan how to have them.

"take no thought for your life", says your Jesus. You're to wait for manna to fall.

It's only lunatic, that don't have to think and plan how to sustain their existence. They can eat dung, go naked and sleep at market square.

Ranchhoddas:
This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

I agree. I seriously doubt that he will be able to answer your question.

vaxx:
can you enlight me more on logic, intuition and reasons

The examination of Holy Gospel scriptures require a highly disciplined mind free of hatred, envy, revenge etc.
We may indulge in as much nonsense as we please in connection with the everyday life within the limits of personal taste, but we may not indulge in the slightest nonsense in connection truth. We may utter a million meaningless words during the gossip of a lifetime without doing much or any harm to ourselves, but we may not utter or think a single meaningless word during our quest for truth without losing our right direction.

We may load our sentences with as much artistic imaginativeness or emotional colour as we wish, so long as we do not deceive ourselves so that we can acknowledge what has been done. We may read page after page of fiction as long as we understand the untruthful nature of the language we are dealing with.

We may even fool a political audience with misleading metaphors and figurative innuendos if that is our choice, but we ought not to fall into the errors which we prepare for others.

Unfortunately the OP has fallen into the holes he was digging for others.

vaxx:
hmmmmmm..this is absolutely true..especially in this part of the continent I live.

All major ancient religions arm their followers with powerful holistic tools to survive most effectively in a cruel evil world.
That is why I respect all religions. If religions are dismantled the whole world will be in serious crisis. It is this dangerous turn of events that Low-level Atheists hope to achieve because it has strong Satanic links.

When a man speaks or writes he reveals not only what he does know but also and unconsciously what he does not know.
His ignorance, no less than his knowledge, lies naked in his sentences to wisdom's insight. Written or spoken constitute a document of self-revelation, a manifestation of his subconscious no less than of his conscious mind.

We reveal the poverty of our thinking by our use of ambiguous, biased, inexact or empty linguistic constructions. We must learn to dig to the roots of our own ideas. Truthful analysis in linguistic matters along these lines will help us to see whether any statement which he or others may make, conveys genuine information or mere misinformation.

vaxx:
I salute your interpretation........ This is deep......

Any man that has compassion for a suffering humanity will never ever pull the rug of support from under their feet. This is what Atheism has vowed to do. THEY WANT TO DESTROY MANKIND'S LIFE-LINE.

But society being what it is, the masses of mankind, busy with toil or suffering in trouble, must trust in the guidance of religious structures
and in normal times can usually find no better guides through the maze of life-problems than their traditional ones, provided the trust is not abused. Akindom is not concerned with the massive practical value of religions world wide ; this has its undeniable place and is indeed absolutely indispensable for regulating the affairs of a global society.

Ranchhoddas:
Not to me he doesn't.

Truth hurts the one that hate it !

Ranchhoddas:
This is the first thing I've read from you that has a semblance of sense.

But tell me; why would the Jews feel guilt at killing their Messiah when the Messiah already planned to come and be killed. Is it really guilt if it was already scripted?

Christians believed Jesus as their Messiah and not the Jews, the Jews rejected Him because they misunderstood the Scriptures they said "Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies" they believed that Jesus didn't accomplish all that he suppose to have accomplished? for example Messiah is to:
A . Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37: 26- 28).
B . Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43: 5-6).
C . Usher in an era of world peace , and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and
disease. As it says:" Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2: 4)
D . Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as
one. As it says:" God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be
One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14 : 9) .
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the
Messiah because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible' s description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including
Jesus of Nazareth , Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these promises completely at the Second Coming.

Offense will come but woe to him who the offense came through, the Bible said there will be war, rumours of war ,famine etc as signs of the end time (Matt 24) but that does not means that those who fulfilled this Scripture will go unpunished, when the Bible said He who believed Jesus will be save (John 5:24) this doesn't change the fact that those who reject Jesus will be condemned.

Jews rejected Jesus they fulfilled a prophecy at the same time sin against God and our God is a Just God He do punished the guilt ones

ysyowel:

Christians believed Jesus as their Messiah and not the Jews, the Jews rejected Him because they misunderstood the Scriptures they said "Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies" they believed that Jesus didn't accomplish all that he suppose to have accomplished? for example Messiah is to:
A . Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37: 26- 28).
B . Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43: 5-6).
C . Usher in an era of world peace , and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and
disease. As it says:" Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2: 4)
D . Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as
one. As it says:" God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be
One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14 : 9) .
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the
Messiah because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible' s description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including
Jesus of Nazareth , Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these promises completely at the Second Coming.

Offense will come but woe to him who the offense came through, the Bible said there will be war, rumours of war ,famine etc as signs of the end time (Matt 24) but that does not means that those who fulfilled this Scripture will go unpunished, when the Bible said He who believed Jesus will be save (John 5:24) this doesn't change the fact that those who reject Jesus will be condemned.

Jews rejected Jesus they fulfilled a prophecy at the same time sin against God and our God is a Just God He do punished the guilt ones

This does not address my query about guilt.
How would they feel guilty for an offence they are not even aware of committing?

akintom:
THE CONTRADICTIONS ACCORDING TO JESUS

(1) Luke 14:28 - 31

*For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

*Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

* Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

*Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

(2) Matthew 6:25 - 27

*Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

*Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

*Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

I was really not comfortable in my rational self, back in the years that i was taught the Bible and that i preached to sheeples from the Bible. I possibly couldn't be numbed, to the pricking of contradictions, absurdities and denial of reality whenever i ponder on the biblical teachings.

From the very words of Jesus, as quoted above, it will take minds that are perfectly immersed in pool of illusion and delusion, to find pleasure in gathering where this contradictions are taught and the Bible where it's written.

God-idea is a significant source of confusion. No group of people, are as confused and self harming, as those infested and afflicted by Yahweh-Virus.

If you're sceptic of God-idea now, especially the Yahweh variant, it's sign that your deliverance from God-delusion is near. You will find your God-burden lifted and the yoke of illusion broken off your neck, if you accept Reason into your life, as your personal Lord and saviour.

Reason bless you!

#epihanic

Sorry, who is "Reason"?