paulGrundy:
The Roman Catholic Church sees Peter as the first pope upon whom God had chosen to build His church (Matthew 16:18). It holds that he had authority (primacy) over the other apostles. The Roman Catholic Church maintains that sometime after the recorded events of the book of Acts, the Apostle Peter became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishop was accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches. It teaches that God passed Peter’s apostolic authority to those who later filled his seat as bishop of Rome. This teaching that God passed on Peter’s apostolic authority to the subsequent bishops is referred to as “apostolic succession.”

The Roman Catholic Church also holds that Peter and the subsequent popes were and are infallible when addressing issues “ex cathedra,” from their position and authority as pope. It teaches that this infallibility gives the pope the ability to guide the church without error. The Roman Catholic Church claims that it can trace an unbroken line of popes back to St. Peter, citing this as evidence that it is the true church, since, according to their interpretation of Matthew 16:18, Christ built His church upon Peter.

But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13). Primarily upon this and the historical rise of the influence of the Bishop of Rome come the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching of the primacy of the bishop of Rome. However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20), and the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11).

Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).

Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

brocab:
If you love this page, then at least believe in the truth, wolves in sheep clothing are preaching the laws on tithing.

brocab:
The Catholic Church claims it was the apostle Peter who started the Catholic Church, they say he became their Pope?
I have argued this out with my wife who is a Catholic, also with other Catholic's, whom they find an avenue to escape this Question, only to hide oneself in the closet.
Pope's in their religion are not allowed to marry and yet the apostle Peter was married in scripture.

Matthew 8:14 When Jesus came into Peters house He saw His mother in law laying in bed with a fever.

So can someone point out to me which Peter, the Catholic Church are talking about. As I have asked many Catholic's other then my wife-and the response I retrieved was cursing and mocking etc.

Calling me a non Christian the devil himself has risen.

JoshMedia:

So unfortunate that you're just a sign post, you put up those stuffs everyday (copy and paste,) without reading a line of it. Well, am not surprised at all, because it's in the Bible, people like you will always be found.
You considered yourself to be holy, but it's a pity, you're just a religious bigot. seek God And Not Popularity..

Right now, you're nothing but an hypocrite, who copy and paste without having a glance.

brocab:
Are you on drugs again?

brocab:
The Catholic Church claims it was the apostle Peter who started the Catholic Church, they say he became their Pope?
I have argued this out with my wife who is a Catholic, also with other Catholic's, whom they find an avenue to escape this Question, only to hide oneself in the closet.
Pope's in their religion are not allowed to marry and yet the apostle Peter was married in scripture.

Matthew 8:14 When Jesus came into Peters house He saw His mother in law laying in bed with a fever.

So can someone point out to me which Peter, the Catholic Church are talking about. As I have asked many Catholic's other then my wife-and the response I retrieved was cursing and mocking etc.

Calling me a non Christian the devil himself has risen.

Ubenedictus:



so you aren't aware that many popes were married? so were many bishops and even today you may find married priest?


of course peter was married so were others after him.

JoshMedia:

Definitely, you're the one on drug, you really got pierced to the extent of your brain being loosed. Can you please quote the part where I mentioned anything about tithe?
Your level of f**lishness shouldn't go beyond this, try to be phlegmatic and grab before quoting people wrongly.

brocab:
Uben this is a change from you, some centuries ago, you denied Peter even having a wife.
Popes priest pastors that married obeyed the law of Christ, a marriage can do wonders it can help support their ministries.
Paul said: if we burn with passion it is best to get married, as humans we all burn with passions for the opposite sex. Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
Every minister travelling the world should be married, Men alone preaching the Word of God-can cause problems in the community, especially around women.
Unmarried Pope's, that burn with passion should be married, there are to many wrongs in the world with priest not married, and to make a vow with God-doesn't give anybody the rights to burn in passion for the wrong reasons.
Within the Governments we have the first lady, she of course has the countries full respect, Just think how life could be, if the Pope decided to marry, from a wife-mothers heart, the lost will be found, the hungry will eat, the thirsty will drink, the strangers will no longer be strangers, the sick will get well, those in prison will be released.
Everything you all have expected Mary to be, will finely come alive in the natural.

Ubenedictus:



I never denied peter was once married... after him so were many priest... we still have such.


but sorry I disagree with the epistle you wrote above.

my Bible says he who marries does well but he who doesn't does better... it goes further to say it is better to be single so as to be devoted to Christ and describes marriage as a distraction... so the Catholic Church is happy to also have celibate clergy.

brocab:
In the Catholic Church is the Pope class as the head of the Church, or is he, head of the woman just like Jesus ordain him to be! Or is he just part of the authority under the Roman Catholic Church?
The New Testament make it clear who the head of the church is, Jesus Christ. {Colossians 1:17–18} teaches, “And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church.” This passage makes a brief comparison between the human body and the church. The church is the body, and Jesus is the head. Jesus was before all things and holds all things together. This includes the church as well. so what do you believe, is the Pope the head of the Catholic Church, or is he just another priest pastor, who have taken on the authority God had given him.
Just think if the Pope decided to be married, his wife would be Queen Mother of God, she would be the first lady to the nations, she would be another Mary living to bring the world together.
In the bible {Ephesians 5:22–25} speaks of the relationship between husband and wife and includes the teaching of Jesus as head of the church: If Pope's, priest married, just think, the world will be a better place.

“Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.”

In this passage, wives are to submit to their husbands as the church submits to Christ, and husbands are to sacrificially love their wives in the way Christ was willing to die for the church. In this context, Jesus is called the “head of the church, his body.” He is also called its Savior.

What does it mean to be the head of the church? Both {Colossians 1 and Ephesians 5} emphasize the leadership of Christ and His power. In Colossians, Christ is head because He holds all things together. In Ephesians, Christ is head because He is Savior.

The implications of this teaching are profound. First, church leaders are to surrender ultimate leadership to the Lord Jesus Christ. {John 5:43} Jesus said: I have come in My Fathers name, and you do not accept Me, but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. I have seen the Pope in action, he had come in his own name, and people glorify him as God on earth.
Jesus is the One who leads and determines the teachings and practices of the church. Church members are to follow Christ first and earthly leaders second, as those leaders are suppose to emulate Christ (see 1 Corinthians 11:1 and 1 Peter 5:3–4)

Second, the love Jesus has for the church is expressed in His desire that we also love the church. The church is not a building or organization like the Vatican-or any Church that was built by men in this matter, but a group of people who know and worship Jesus. Christians are taught, “Let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing because of the disagreements we have with other Churches, but encouraging one another, it shouldn't matter which Church we belong too, as long as we follow the same doctrines and worship the same Christ—and all the more as you see the Day approaching” (Hebrews 10:24–25) Regular connection with other believers honors the Lord, encourages us personally as believers, and allows us to encourage and serve others.

While every church will have its own local leaders, Pope's have leaderships-but the ultimate leader of any church is the Lord Jesus. He said, “I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18, emphasis added); it belongs to Him. He is the head of the body and the only One with the power to adequately lead and love the church.

brocab:
Very nice to talk with you again Uben-In speech none of you Catholic's mentioned Peter was married, I suppose Peters wife would be like another Joseph, no-one mentions the roles they played. I am sure your bible also say's, but if they cannot control themselves, for it is better to marry then to burn {1 Corinthians 7:9}
My bible also contains, He who marries a virgin does right, but he who does not marry her, does better {1 Corinthians 7:38}
But which of these verses does the Church actually stand by?
While the world contains religious men and women, that burn with passion, not only for the opposite sex, as young as 7 to 70 years, man and woman sexually abusing 1 to 16 year old children; "this just shows these men and woman are not grounded enough in the Word of God to be single ministers.
And if Peter is the first Pope, why than didn't the Church follow after his good examples, obviously Peter knew how difficult it could be standing alone for Christ in Church, these days women go for those in authority rather than those who are not, "why do Pope's priest pastors feel they are ordained to take their needs as far as their limits can go? This does not give us a good reason for these Ministers to continual to live alone, ministers such as these are not strong in the Word of God..
Pope's priest pastors that have these desires should marry, Adam needed Eve visa versa-Adam was the first Minister, Peter followed Adams good examples, I also follow them, "Ministers have needs like Adam, we all burn with passion, this would help support this generation to know marrying the opposite sex, is not a crime against humanity, nor is it against God Almighty Himself. "Marriage can save a multitude of sexual behaviour of wrong doing.
If the Church had Jesus's skills, in keeping His control without sin, I would agree-none burn with passion, Adam was made to multiply, same as the animals two of every kind "Male and female.

Ubenedictus:


no Catholic has denied peter was married.


the Catholic Church simply agrees with scriptures when she teaches that to be unmarried is better in other to serve God.

if you cannot stay unmarried after you had previously made up your mind to do so...then there is a way to ask to be married.

Ubenedictus:



don't twist Catholic beliefs. the Catholic teaches that the head of the Church is Jesus... the pope is but a minister of jesus



please read my next post to see what the Catholic Church teaches

Ubenedictus:

this is what the Catholic Church believes. enjoy


THE CHURCH - PEOPLE OF GOD
781 "At all times and in every race, anyone who fears
God and does what is right has been acceptable to him.
He has, however, willed to make men holy and save
them, not as individuals without any bond or link
between them, but rather to make them into a people
who might acknowledge him and serve him in holiness.
He therefore chose the Israelite race to be his own
people and established a covenant with it. He gradually
instructed this people. . . . All these things, however,
happened as a preparation for and figure of that new and
perfect covenant which was to be ratified in Christ . . .
the New Covenant in his blood; he called together a race
made up of Jews and Gentiles which would be one, not
according to the flesh, but in the Spirit." 201
Characteristics of the People of God
782 The People of God is marked by characteristics that
clearly distinguish it from all other religious, ethnic,
political, or cultural groups found in history:
- It is the People of God : God is not the property of any
one people. But he acquired a people for himself from
those who previously were not a people: "a chosen race,
a royal priesthood, a holy nation." 202
- One becomes a member of this people not by a physical
birth, but by being "born anew," a birth "of water and the
Spirit," 203 that is, by faith in Christ, and Baptism.
- This People has for its Head Jesus the Christ (the
anointed, the Messiah). Because the same anointing, the
Holy Spirit, flows from the head into the body, this is
"the messianic people."
- "The status of this people is that of the dignity and
freedom of the sons of God, in whose hearts the Holy
Spirit dwells as in a temple."
- "Its law is the new commandment to love as Christ
loved us." 204 This is the "new" law of the Holy Spirit.205
- Its mission is to be salt of the earth and light of the
world. 206 This people is "a most sure seed of unity,
hope, and salvation for the whole human race."
- Its destiny , finally, "is the Kingdom of God which has
been begun by God himself on earth and which must be
further extended until it has been brought to perfection
by him at the end of time." 207
A priestly, prophetic, and royal people
783 Jesus Christ is the one whom the Father anointed
with the Holy Spirit and established as priest, prophet,
and king. The whole People of God participates in these
three offices of Christ and bears the responsibilities for
mission and service that flow from them.208
784 On entering the People of God through faith and
Baptism, one receives a share in this people's unique,
priestly vocation: "Christ the Lord, high priest taken from
among men, has made this new people 'a kingdom of
priests to God, his Father.' The baptized, by regeneration
and the anointing of the Holy Spirit, are consecrated to be
a spiritual house and a holy priesthood." 209
785 "The holy People of God shares also in Christ's
prophetic office," above all in the supernatural sense of
faith that belongs to the whole People, lay and clergy,
when it "unfailingly adheres to this faith . . . once for all
delivered to the saints," 210 and when it deepens its
understanding and becomes Christ's witness in the midst
of this world.
786 Finally, the People of God shares in the royal office
of Christ. He exercises his kingship by drawing all men
to himself through his death and Resurrection. 211 Christ,
King and Lord of the universe, made himself the servant
of all, for he came "not to be served but to serve, and to
give his life as a ransom for many." 212 For the Christian,
"to reign is to serve him," particularly when serving "the
poor and the suffering, in whom the Church recognizes
the image of her poor and suffering founder." 213 The
People of God fulfills its royal dignity by a life in keeping
with its vocation to serve with Christ.
The sign of the cross makes kings of all those reborn in
Christ and the anointing of the Holy Spirit consecrates
them as priests, so that, apart from the particular service
of our ministry, all spiritual and rational Christians are
recognized as members of this royal race and sharers in
Christ's priestly office. What, indeed, is as royal for a soul
as to govern the body in obedience to God? And what is
as priestly as to dedicate a pure conscience to the Lord
and to offer the spotless offerings of devotion on the
altar of the heart? 214
II. THE CHURCH - BODY OF CHRIST
The Church is communion with Jesus
787 From the beginning, Jesus associated his disciples
with his own life, revealed the mystery of the Kingdom to
them, and gave them a share in his mission, joy, and
sufferings.215 Jesus spoke of a still more intimate
communion between him and those who would follow
him: "Abide in me, and I in you. . . . I am the vine, you
are the branches." 216 And he proclaimed a mysterious
and real communion between his own body and ours:
"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in
me, and I in him." 217
788 When his visible presence was taken from them,
Jesus did not leave his disciples orphans. He promised
to remain with them until the end of time; he sent them
his Spirit.218 As a result communion with Jesus has
become, in a way, more intense: "By communicating his
Spirit, Christ mystically constitutes as his body those
brothers of his who are called together from every
nation." 219
789 The comparison of the Church with the body casts
light on the intimate bond between Christ and his
Church. Not only is she gathered around him; she is
united in him, in his body. Three aspects of the Church
as the Body of Christ are to be more specifically noted:
the unity of all her members with each other as a result
of their union with Christ; Christ as head of the Body;
and the Church as bride of Christ.
"One Body"
790 Believers who respond to God's word and become
members of Christ's Body, become intimately united with
him: "In that body the life of Christ is communicated to
those who believe, and who, through the sacraments,
are united in a hidden and real way to Christ in his
Passion and glorification." 220 This is especially true of
Baptism, which unites us to Christ's death and
Resurrection, and the Eucharist, by which "really sharing
in the body of the Lord, . . . we are taken up into
communion with him and with one another." 221
791 The body's unity does not do away with the diversity
of its members: "In the building up of Christ's Body there
is engaged a diversity of members and functions. There
is only one Spirit who, according to his own richness and
the needs of the ministries, gives his different gifts for
the welfare of the Church." 222 The unity of the Mystical
Body produces and stimulates charity among the
faithful: "From this it follows that if one member suffers
anything, all the members suffer with him, and if one
member is honored, all the members together
rejoice." 223 Finally, the unity of the Mystical Body
triumphs over all human divisions: "For as many of you
as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is
neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in
Christ Jesus." 224

[b]"Christ is the Head of this Body"
792 Christ "is the head of the body, the Church." 225 He
is the principle of creation and redemption. Raised to the
Father's glory, "in everything he [is] preeminent," 226
especially in the Church, through whom he extends his
reign over all things.
793 Christ unites us with his Passover: all his members
must strive to resemble him, "until Christ be formed" in
them.227 "For this reason we . . . are taken up into the
mysteries of his life, . . . associated with his sufferings
as the body with its head, suffering with him, that with
him we may be glorified." 228
794 Christ provides for our growth : to make us grow
toward him, our head, 229 he provides in his Body, the
Church, the gifts and assistance by which we help one
another along the way of salvation.
795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the
"whole Christ" (Christus totus ). The Church is one with
Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:
Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become
not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you
understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us?
Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is
the head, we are the members; he and we together are
the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the
head and the members. But what does "head and
members" mean? Christ and the Church. 230
Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with
the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.231
Head and members form as it were one and the same
mystical person. 232]
A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the
faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the
believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply
know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't
complicate the matter." 233[/b]
The Church is the Bride of Christ
796 The unity of Christ and the Church, head and
members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the
two within a personal relationship. This aspect is often
expressed by the image of bridegroom and bride. The
theme of Christ as Bridegroom of the Church was
prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the
Baptist. 234 The Lord referred to himself as the
"bridegroom." 235 The Apostle speaks of the whole
Church and of each of the faithful, members of his
Body, as a bride "betrothed" to Christ the Lord so as to
become but one spirit with him. 236 The Church is the
spotless bride of the spotless Lamb. 237 "Christ loved the
Church and gave himself up for her, that he might
sanctify her." 238 He has joined her with himself in an
everlasting covenant and never stops caring for her as
for his own body: 239
This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed
from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is
Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex
persona capitis ) and in his role as body ( ex persona
corporis ). What does this mean? "The two will become
one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to
Christ and the Church." 240 And the Lord himself says in
the Gospel: "So they are no longer two, but one
flesh." 241 They are, in fact, two different persons, yet
they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls
himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself "bride." 242
III. THE CHURCH IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
797 "What the soul is to the human body, the Holy Spirit
is to the Body of Christ, which is the Church." 243 "To
this Spirit of Christ, as an invisible principle, is to be
ascribed the fact that all the parts of the body are joined
one with the other and with their exalted head; for the
whole Spirit of Christ is in the head, the whole Spirit is in
the body, and the whole Spirit is in each of the
members." 244 The Holy Spirit makes the Church "the
temple of the living God": 245
Indeed, it is to the Church herself that the "Gift of God"
has been entrusted. . . . In it is in her that communion
with Christ has been deposited, that is to say: the Holy
Spirit, the pledge of incorruptibility, the strengthening of
our faith and the ladder of our ascent to God. . . . For
where the Church is, there also is God's Spirit; where
God's Spirit is, there is the Church and every grace. 246
798 The Holy Spirit is "the principle of every vital and
truly saving action in each part of the Body." 247 He
works in many ways to build up the whole Body in
charity: 248 by God's Word "which is able to build you
up"; 249 by Baptism, through which he forms Christ's
Body; 250 by the sacraments, which give growth and
healing to Christ's members; by "the grace of the
apostles, which holds first place among his gifts";251 by
the virtues, which make us act according to what is
good; finally, by the many special graces (called
"charisms", by which he makes the faithful "fit and
ready to undertake various tasks and offices for the
renewal and building up of the Church.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm

brocab:
That took me all day to read, I did enjoy reading your book, not only did Christ anoint priest prophet and king.
Jesus anointed: {Ephesians 4:11} He gave some Apostles, some Prophets, some Evangelist, and some Pastors and teachers.
"And everyone that believes, God had given us each of these gifts to share His anointing through Christ...
It was an enjoyable sermon you had written, and clearly of course it shows you believe, your Church, like every other Church is part of the puzzle, but what argument we have, most Churches preach bits and pieces of the Word of God, adding another doctrine, that isn't scriptural to bible knowledge-we are not arguing over the Word of God, it's the adding and removing-that causes disputes among the brethren.
I have no reason not to believe, you believe in Christ, but not only do you believe in Christ, the Catholic's believe in worship-something else other then Christ.

vatiqan:
Cld nt read. but all I see on this waste of ink are thrash, thrash, and thrash. thanx.

brocab:
When I say it took me all day to read, meaning I had read what you had written-and plus what information would you like me to correct, that I believe, you believe there is a Christ, or is there something else on your mind, I could think of many misquotes the Catholic Church have said and done.
I wasn't looking for an argument, but since you are offering, I thought I may let this one go Just for safety reasons-Does this sound like the Catholic Church below? Is this what the Catholic Church do, they burn incense and make cakes, to Queen of heaven Mother of heaven, and pour out drink offerings to other gods...{Jeremiah 7:17-18}
{Jeremiah 44}
{1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews who dwell in the land of Egypt, who dwell at Migdol, at Tahpanhes, at Noph,[a] and in the country of Pathros, saying,
{2 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘You have seen all the calamity that I have brought on Jerusalem and on all the cities of Judah; and behold, this day they are a desolation, and no one dwells in them,
{3 because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke Me to anger, in that they went to burn incense and to serve other gods whom they did not know, they nor you nor your fathers.
{4 However I have sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, “Oh, do not do this abominable thing that I hate!”
{5 But they did not listen or incline their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense to other gods.
{6 So My fury and My anger were poured out and kindled in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; and they are wasted and desolate, as it is this day.’
{7 “Now therefore, thus says the Lord, the God of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Why do you commit this great evil against yourselves, to cut off from you man and woman, child and infant, out of Judah, leaving none to remain,
{8 in that you provoke Me to wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense to other gods in the land of Egypt where you have gone to dwell, that you may cut yourselves off and be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth?
{9 Have you forgotten the wickedness of your fathers, the wickedness of the kings of Judah, the wickedness of their wives, your own wickedness, and the wickedness of your wives, which they committed in the land of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
{10 They have not been humbled, to this day, nor have they feared; they have not walked in My law or in My statutes that I set before you and your fathers.’
{11 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘Behold, I will set My face against you for catastrophe and for cutting off all Judah. {12 And I will take the remnant of Judah who have set their faces to go into the land of Egypt to dwell there, and they shall all be consumed and fall in the land of Egypt. They shall be consumed by the sword and by famine. They shall die, from the least to the greatest, by the sword and by famine; and they shall be an oath, an astonishment, a curse and a reproach!
{13 For I will punish those who dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence,
{14 so that none of the remnant of Judah who have gone into the land of Egypt to dwell there shall escape or survive, lest they return to the land of Judah, to which they desire to return and dwell. For none shall return except those who escape.’”
{15 Then all the men who knew that their wives had burned incense to other gods, with all the women who stood by, a great multitude, and all the people who dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying:
{16 “As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord, we will not listen to you!
{17 But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. {
{18 But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.”
{19 The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission?”
{20 Then Jeremiah spoke to all the people—the men, the women, and all the people who had given him that answer—saying:
{21 “The incense that you burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, you and your fathers, your kings and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and did it not come into His mind?
{22 So the Lord could no longer bear it, because of the evil of your doings and because of the abominations which you committed. Therefore your land is a desolation, an astonishment, a curse, and without an inhabitant, as it is this day.
{23 Because you have burned incense and because you have sinned against the Lord, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord or walked in His law, in His statutes or in His testimonies, therefore this calamity has happened to you, as at this day.”
{24 Moreover Jeremiah said to all the people and to all the women, “Hear the word of the Lord, all Judah who are in the land of Egypt!
{25 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying: ‘You and your wives have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled with your hands, saying, “We will surely keep our vows that we have made, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her.” You will surely keep your vows and perform your vows!’
{26 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, all Judah who dwell in the land of Egypt: ‘Behold, I have sworn by My great name,’ says the Lord, ‘that My name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, “The Lord God lives.”
{27 Behold, I will watch over them for adversity and not for good. And all the men of Judah who are in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by famine, until there is an end to them.
{28 Yet a small number who escape the sword shall return from the land of Egypt to the land of Judah; and all the remnant of Judah, who have gone to the land of Egypt to dwell there, shall know whose words will stand, Mine or theirs.
{29 And this shall be a sign to you,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will punish you in this place, that you may know that My words will surely stand against you for adversity.’
{30 “Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will give Pharaoh Hophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies and into the hand of those who seek his life, as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, his enemy who sought his li

brocab:
No-one is against the Catholic's, all Churches have faults, this is why-we need to get back to the Word of God, no-one is perfect-but God only.
No one is interested to criticise the Catholic's nor other believers around the globe, we criticise different doctrines, gospels that don't line up with the Word of God.
Every time someone steps out and preachers the Word of God is either rebuked criticised, or physically tormented by other Christians, we are classed as haters against God and humanity.
Sharing the Word of God is one of the most loneliness walks everybody can experience, if they truly believed, not all Christians believe, "sharing the truth is a difficult task, just to be criticised, its a matter of believing in faith and stepping out that counts.
Life as a Christian is difficult, learning the Word of God and trying to share it's fruit-sharing the Word of God is difficult, not all Christians believe enough to know they don't hear the Word of God, because they don't practise the Word of God, 'these are disbelieving Christians that causes disputes and arguments among the brethren.
Reaching out-explaining the Word of God is not a crime against humanity, against religion, nor against God, but it's the Christians in this day and age who are persecuting the Church of God.
{Matthew 28:19} "Go out and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Who crucified Christ? The Pharisees Christians crucifying Christians-Church or organisation, Christians are criticised by Christians. Stepping out and preaching the Word of God, from Jesus, to the disciples, Christians suffer persecution from fellow Christians.
So it's not about the people-it's about the unbiblical doctrines, that is working against our nations, and of course against God.

Ubenedictus:
how many times have you corrected your fellow Protestants? nah you only criticise Catholics?

hypocrisy, remove the log in your eyes first maybe then you'll see the speck in your brothers eyes

Ubenedictus:

so after I asked you to correct yourself about the misinformation you posted you just decided to shift into another thing.


you don't even want a sincere discussion, your aim is to attack and you don't care that your info may be incorrect.


the everyday protest

orisa37:
The Difference is in Ordination-Order of Communion with The Supreme Spirit.