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Akin1212:
Oga, answer the question that will reveal how unintelligent you are, you want to continue jargonizing this question too?

If you don't answer this one, then.... It's a shame.

I have given you countless instances at the basic level on how life cannot exist without a Creator...I wonder why you are finding this equally difficult to accept on a Universal level?

So where you come from...the same rules that applies in Arithmetics (BASIC LEVEL) does not apply in FurtherMaths (ADVANCED LEVEL) abi?

You cannot figure out how basic answers will lead to solving advanced problems...but you are just foaming in the mouth for an advanced answer YOU ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT.

Akin1212:
Oga, answer the question that will reveal how unintelligent you are, you want to continue jargonizing this question too?

If you don't answer this one, then.... It's a shame.

1) Do you want to learn? or
2) Do you want to prove me wrong?

Which one is more important to you?

OkaiCorne:
1) Do you want to learn? or
2) Do you want to prove me wrong?

Which one is more important to you?

Learn what I know more than you?

I am pushing you to mess up, just answer the question and let me burst your ego.

OkaiCorne:
Keep on weeping for Nigerian youths that are making waves in their areas of influence while you are pursuing pension and salary in your small cubicle at work...keep on weeping

Whats this.... mchewww. Oga, u dont know how i makr my money. So stop sounding like a cry baby.

Why is it difficult for you to draw a conclusion from a series of basic examples I gave you? Why can't you use common sense examples to counter me?

Ur exampls are so unrelated. I responded to them all and even asked u how they are related to the questions i asked. I answered all ur analogous questions while maintaining that i don't see how it relates to my question. U never related it even when i showed u that i cant see the relationship and screamed out that they dont relate. U just kept on repeating urself like u were saying anything reasonable. And telling urself that u have found the truth.

Where has common sense demonstrated to you on a smaller level the possibility of existing without a creator or predecessor?

Was i asking u to tell me if there was a creator or not? How did common sense tell u that the creator is one person and he is a spirit being and he created the devil... see ur life.

Why can't this same rule apply on a vastly higher level?

Abegi... stop acting ignorant. It will not help ur case

frank317:
Whats this.... mchewww. Oga, u dont know how i makr my money. So stop sounding like a cry baby.


Ur exampls are so unrelated. I responded to them all and even asked u how they are related to the questions i asked. I answered all ur analogous questions while maintaining that i don't see how it relates to my question. U never related it even when i showed u that i cant see the relationship and screamed out that they dont relate. U just kept on repeating urself like u were saying anything reasonable. And telling urself that u have found the truth.


Was i asking u to tell me if there was a creator or not? How did common sense tell u that the creator is one person and he is a spirit being and he created the devil... see ur life.



Abegi... stop acting ignorant. It will not help ur case

Am I really discussing with someone who just said Edison used zero imagination but 100% logic to create a bulb?

Let me throw this question back at you...How did you know you are the product of only two parents?

If Common Sense gave you the answer as two...I leave Common Sense to guide to the answer on your question. Use your logic to tell me of a story book with several starting points in the first chapter.

I WILL NOT SPOONFEED A GROWN MAN WITH MILK AND GIVE HIM DIAPERS TO WEAR!

OkaiCorne:
I have given you countless instances at the basic level on how life cannot exist without a Creator...I wonder why you are finding this equally difficult to accept on a Universal level?

So where you come from...the same rules that applies in Arithmetics (BASIC LEVEL) does not apply in FurtherMaths (ADVANCED LEVEL) abi?

You cannot figure out how basic answers will lead to solving advanced problems...but you are just foaming in the mouth for an advanced answer YOU ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT.

Repetition of the same thing over and over is a clear sign of low IQ.

I am giving you the cghance to mess up by answering my questions. Don't you want to mess up?

Akin1212:
Repetition of the same thing over and over is a clear sign of low IQ.

I am giving you the cghance to mess up by answering my questions. Don't you want to mess up?

My FurtherMaths answer will only confuse someone who is still struggling with Arithmetics...

I am not going to put my answers on this thread for an ignorant caveman atheist to piss off on

There is a perfect place I will put this answer and I will mention your moniker to see it. Cheers

Akin1212:
Repetition of the same thing over and over is a clear sign of low IQ.

I am giving you the cghance to mess up by answering my questions. Don't you want to mess up?

Yeah... a clear sign of low IQ on the part of the person who refuses to understand it

OkaiCorne:
So Edison never Imagined what the bulb looked like abi? He just started using logic to figure out something he never imagined abi?

Please stop embarrassing your fellow atheists abeg? This is really disappointing coming from you.

So the picture that must have been imprinted on Edison's mind was not imagination...but Logic...wehdone sir...

Do you really want me to get a dictionary definition of imagination before we continue further?

Relate edisons process to creating a bulb to ur creator lets how it fits... seems u are fund of throwing up examples without thinking them through.

Imaginations are just what they are. They can run wild and they and can be so illlogical. Logic only brings imagination to life. If logic cannot bring ur imagination to life it will only continue being imagination and cannot be the truth.
Ur imagination about a creator has failed to stand the test of logic thats why u cannot answer simple logical questions. Hence it will continue to be what it is...YOUR IMAGINATION.

OkaiCorne:
My FurtherMaths answer will only confuse someone who is still struggling with Arithmetics...

I am not going to put my answers on this thread for an ignorant caveman atheist to piss off on

There is a perfect place I will put this answer and I will mention your moniker to see it. Cheers

You like running sha, do you think this is temple run?

frank317:
Relate edisons process to creating a bulb to ur creator lets how it fits... seems u are fund of throwing up examples without thinking them through.

Imaginations are just what they are. They can run wild and they and can be so illlogical. Logic only brings imagination to life. If logic cannot bring ur imagination to life it will only continue being imagination and cannot be the truth.
Ur imagination about a creator has failed to stand the test of logic thats why u cannot answer simple logical questions. Hence it will continue to be what it is...YOUR IMAGINATION.

He does not have the IQ capable of realizing this. He just can't fathom no matter how hard we try.

frank317:
Relate edisons process to creating a bulb to ur creator lets how it fits... seems u are fund of throwing up examples without thinking them through.

Imaginations are just what they are. They can run wild and they and can be so illlogical. Logic only brings imagination to life. If logic cannot bring ur imagination to life it will only continue being imagination and cannot be the truth.
Ur imagination about a creator has failed to stand the test of logic thats why u cannot answer simple logical questions. Hence it will continue to be what it is...YOUR IMAGINATION.

Tell that to over 5 billion people on planet earth...and the generations before them and the generations to come...

For Imaginations to become reality...a healthy dose of logic is needed... Now Imagination or Logic...which one comes first?

Remember that I said earlier on this thread....IMAGINATION+LOGIC=INSIGHT. Imagination is a subset of intuition

If you missed that part, I can quote it for you again o

Akin1212:
He does not have the IQ capable of realizing this. He just can't fathom no matter how hard we try.

The atheist that cannot even use his 5 senses properly...

Do you recall I said;

INTUITION+LOGIC = INSIGHT

For the records...Imagination is a sub-set of Intuition...or do you want more links to brush up your knowledge?

If only at the basic level...an atheist can tell me how life exists without a creator...I can then consider the possibility of the Universe coming out of absolutely nowhere.

I've been amusing myself with two circus clowns here

OkaiCorne:
The atheist that cannot even use his 5 senses properly...

Do you recall I said;

INTUITION+LOGIC = INSIGHT

For the records...Imagination is a sub-set of Intuition...or do you want more links to brush up your knowledge?

Imagination is not a subset of intuition. Enough of all these your blabberings.

Intuition + logic = Logic
abundant logic = Insight. You don't need intuition to be logical

Intuition - logic = intuition = uncertainty

It seems the self-acclaimed further maths professor needs some tutoring.

Akin1212:
Imagination is not a subset of intuition. Enough of all these your blabberings.

Intuition + logic = Logic

Intuition - logic = intuition = uncertainty

It seems the self-acclaimed further maths professor needs some tutoring.

And how is that different from what I have been saying? Your 512mb ram is just booting ba?

If Imagination is not a subset of intuition...then what is it? Something totally different and unrelated to intuition abi?

I am enjoying this...keep on displaying this scientific wisdom of yours to the whole world

OkaiCorne:
And how is that different from what I have been saying? Your 512mb ram is just booting ba?

If Imagination is not a subset of intuition...then what is it? Something totally different and unrelated to intuition abi?

I am enjoying this...keep on displaying this scientific wisdom of yours to the whole world

How is that different? Tell me, are you just pretending to be an imbecile_ or what?

Don't associate with me abeg, we are not saying the same thing. You just blabbered that imagination is a subset of intuition.
You also said ignorantly that logic + intuition = insight. How are we saying the same thing.
Do you need some rest? I need to work abeg, I can't continue this shambolic discussion.

Akin1212:
How is that different? Tell me, are you just pretending to be [b]an slowpoke[/b]_ or what?

Don't associate with me abeg, we are not saying the same thing. You just blabbered that imagination is a subset.
You also said ignorantly that logic + intuition = insight. How are we saying the same thing.
Dp you need some rest? I need to work abeg, I can't continue this shambolic discussion.

An imbe-cile is someone who is struggling with arithmetics but asks for FurtherMaths problems and answers.

Kindly give us examples of how life can exist without a Creator or Source at the most basic level...then we can think of how the Universe was created by nobody...

Chai...e sweet me for belle

Akin1212:
How is that different? Tell me, are you just pretending to be an imbecile_ or what?

Don't associate with me abeg, we are not saying the same thing. You just blabbered that imagination is a subset of intuition.
You also said ignorantly that logic + intuition = insight. How are we saying the same thing.
Do you need some rest? I need to work abeg, I can't continue this shambolic discussion.

You need a healthy dose of logic with intuition to understand deeper levels of TRUTH that logic alone cannot take you to.

Do you understand? Or you still want to display more scientific wisdom

Someone wants to run away? I wanted to terminate this discussion before getting to this point...if you want to run away...feel free.

We can resume another day...

OkaiCorne:
Am I really discussing with someone who just said Edison used zero imagination but 100% logic to create a bulb?

Edison did not use imagination to create bulb. He used logic. Imagining a bulb does not create a bulb. U can spend ur life imagining things but ot can never create those things... only logic does.

Let me throw this question back at you...How did you know you are the product of only two parents?

I know the process of child birth. I know it takes two people to have a child... i did not imagine two people were my parents and them they automatically became my parent...(do u see how to reply to questions)

If Common Sense gave you the answer as two...I leave Common Sense to guide to the answer on your question. Use your logic to tell me of a story book with several starting points in the first chapter.

Use common sense for the first time in ur life and tell me how u found out that this creator is one person and not many creators... infact u can also use ur imagination since it seems to be ur strong tool of reasoning.
U say the universe has a creator (starting point) right?
Tell me how u know its just one creator and he is uncreated and he ia external and he also created devil.[/quote]I WILL NOT SPOONFEED A GROWN MAN WITH MILK AND GIVE HIM DIAPERS TO WEAR![/quote]Stop priding urself over repeating nonsense.

Akin1212:
He does not have the IQ capable of realizing this. He just can't fathom no matter how hard we try.

Isnt this quite sad. I really feel bad for him. The bad news is that the guy thinks he has found the truth.

Imagine this guy leading some ignorant bunch. The way he comes out so confidenly can make an ignorant person think he has a lot to teach... this is how pastors mislead people with their so called truth.

OkaiCorne:
An imbe-cile is someone who is struggling with arithmetics but asks for FurtherMaths problems and answers.

Kindly give us examples of how life can exist without a Creator or Source at the most basic level...then we can think of how the Universe was created by nobody...

Chai...e sweet me for belle

Or an imbecile_ is someone who doesn't know answers are blabber...

Lol, wetin dey sweet you? Your confused state or what?

OkaiCorne:
Tell that to over 5 billion people on planet earth...and the generations before them and the generations to come...

Five billion people? Is this ur defence for maintaining ur assumption is the truth. 5billion people that know that their imagination cannot stand the test of logic? Five billion people who, like u, cannot not even collectively agree on what this creator is, how he is and if he is one or many? Five billion people who simply are afraid of after life and are gambling with their believe. Oga... seriously?

For Imaginations to become reality...a healthy dose of logic is needed... Now Imagination or Logic...which one comes first?

I have been waiting for u to say this. Is it about which comes first. Oga... every one imagines but not everyone uses logic. Foolish people dont use logic.
The fact that people always imagine proves nothing. Even mad men on the streets are full of imaginations. Stop holding unto imagination like its that important.
It is actually very common. Whats not common is logical thinking. Which u have been trying to discredit.
If it was about imagination coming first... then the world would have been greater than this. People imagine all the time. Imagination can come first, last or anything... all i want u to know is that imagination is absolutley nothing without logic.
Funny u are now asking which comes first... thought u said imagination(intuition) helps where logic has failed.
U can imagine anyhow u like... but logic create things and brings about truth.

Remember that I said earlier on this thread....IMAGINATION+LOGIC=INSIGHT. Imagination is a subset of intuition

If you missed that part, I can quote it for you again o

So lets relate to your creator.

frank317:
Isnt this quite sad. I really feel bad for him. The bad news is that the guy thinks he has found the truth.

Imagine this guy leading some ignorant bunch. The way he comes out so confidenly can make an ignorant person think he has a lot to teach... this is how pastors mislead people with their so called truth.

It's quite sad my brother. But what can we do? We cannot stop him from intuiting his way to the truth.

He found the truth he simply cannot explain directly. Truth doesn't need time to explain. But for him, he can take forever.

The ignorant will surely lead the ignorant. I don't feel pity for those who will follow him.

Can you imagine the dude said I have to believe Stephen Dawkin to be an atheist, that's laughable.

He does not know that the sixth sense concept is not accepted in science, he does not know that the parallel universe is a science fiction, he does not know that the planes of existence have their roots in religions. In fact, he does not know anything at all.

I pity him though, nothing is worse than living in a lie.

frank317:
Edison did not use imagination to create bulb. He used logic. Imagining a bulb does not create a bulb. U can spend ur life imagining things but ot can never create those things... only logic does.


I know the process of child birth. I know it takes two people to have a child... i did not imagine two people were my parents and them they automatically became my parent...(do u see how to reply to questions)


Use common sense for the first time in ur life and tell me how u found out that this creator is one person and not many creators... infact u can also use ur imagination since it seems to be ur strong tool of reasoning.
U say the universe has a creator (starting point) right?
Tell me how u know its just one creator and he is uncreated and he ia external and he also created devil.


I WILL NOT SPOONFEED A GROWN MAN WITH MILK AND GIVE HIM DIAPERS TO WEAR!

Stop priding urself over repeating nonsense.

What is the starting point of Edison's work? Imagination or logic?

Before a new concept is realized...does it flash across your mind as imagination or pure logic?

So creative things are created with Logic as the starting point?

If this is how atheists think...then I will rather die than become one...

Akin1212:
It's quite sad my brother. But what can we do? We cannot stop him from intuiting his way to the truth.

He found the truth he simply cannot explain directly. Truth doesn't need time to explain. But for him, he can take forever.

The ignorant will surely lead the ignorant. I don't feel pity for those who will follow him.

Can you imagine the dude said I have to believe Stephen Dawkin to be an atheist, that's laughable.

He does not know that the sixth sense concept is not accepted in science, he does not know that the parallel universe is a science fiction, he does not know that the planes of existence have their roots in religions. In fact, he does not know anything at all.

I pity him though, nothing is worse than living in a lie.

Living a lie is accepting the principles of basic arithmetics but concluding that arithmetics cannot help in solving Maths and subsequently Furthermaths...Wake up Mr.Science and Logic...

Akin1212:
It's quite sad my brother. But what can we do? We cannot stop him from intuiting his way to the truth.

He found the truth he simply cannot explain directly. Truth doesn't need time to explain. But for him, he can take forever.

The ignorant will surely lead the ignorant. I don't feel pity for those who will follow him.

Can you imagine the dude said I have to believe Stephen Dawkin to be an atheist, that's laughable.

He does not know that the sixth sense concept is not accepted in science, he does not know that the parallel universe is a science fiction, he does not know that the planes of existence have their roots in religions. In fact, he does not know anything at all.

I pity him though, nothing is worse than living in a lie.

http://artificial-intuition.com/intuition.html

I will post the strengths and weaknesses of both logic and intuition. Every human being needs a healthy blend of both;

The strength to logic is that it is a very black-and-white process whereby we can gather knowledge and information, analyze and consider it from a very objective viewpoint and act upon it secure in the knowledge that it was based upon a sound process that removes much of the subjectivity and emotionalism as factors. It can provide an understanding that at times there really is the right or wrong decision or solution to a problem and that this process was based upon that concept.

The weakness to logic is that it requires the person to have access to all of the information that is relevant to the decision they need to make or with the problem they need to solve. Sometimes this is possible but at other times the situation is outside of the realm of knowledge. Logic also requires to be considered in an idealized condition. This means that based upon all the information that can be gathered this information is constant and stable thereby the means of measuring it can be reliable and unchanging. Without this than the logic begins to fall apart as unforeseen and unknowable conditions outside of the decision or problem can alter the condition that the logic was based upon.

The strength of intuition is that it does not require a long deliberation process. A person can thereby make a decision or solve a problem immediately based upon a sense of “knowing”. Intuition can be viewed as humans earliest radar system in that they were often confronted with life-and-death decisions and only had their intuition to rely upon. This ability involved an increase in a person’s chance of survival in a very unknown and constantly changing environment. For people that are deeply intuitive and make decisions and solve problems based upon it, they feel more comfortable because it is viewed as a process of using one’s heart, not their head therefore it resonates with them in a deeper way.

The weakness to intuition is that it is subjective and come from more of an ego-based process. As our ego is designed to protect us the problem with it being used in problem-solving and decision-making is that it may come from a place of fear or anxiety which will prevent a person from making a decision or problem solving to the best of their ability. There is also a greater chance of making decisions based on impulse without taking into consideration relevant facts that are needed in order to understand the bigger picture of the problem or the decision to be made.

https://coachcampus.com/coach-portfolios/power-tools/michele-spencer-intuition-vs-logic/

The parts I bolded are the root cause of our arguments. The major thing is to gain a mastery over the weaknesses of Logic and Intuition so you can learn a lot in a less time...

Akin1212:
It's quite sad my brother. But what can we do? We cannot stop him from intuiting his way to the truth.

He found the truth he simply cannot explain directly. Truth doesn't need time to explain. But for him, he can take forever.

The ignorant will surely lead the ignorant. I don't feel pity for those who will follow him.

Can you imagine the dude said I have to believe Stephen Dawkin to be an atheist, that's laughable.

He does not know that the sixth sense concept is not accepted in science, he does not know that the parallel universe is a science fiction, he does not know that the planes of existence have their roots in religions. In fact, he does not know anything at all.

I pity him though, nothing is worse than living in a lie.

If you guys are more interested in your school of logic..you can carry on. I am posting this for others with an open mind to learn.

Extreme Logic = Atheism/Limited knowledge & narrow mindset
Extreme Intuition = Religion/Delusion
Balanced view of both = Enlightenment

Now do you guys want to learn or you are just hell bent on proving me wrong.

I have pasted sources so that you guys can argue with the authors since you know everything through the eyes of science and logic.

OkaiCorne:
What is the starting point of Edison's work? Imagination or logic?

It could be imagination, it could be need, it could be imitation... so? Was this the bane of our argument? Where we ever arguing on which comes first?
The only point i am trying to let u know is that ... without logic all edisons imagination would have remained just imagination....weather it came first of last.
Infact i have so many imaginations that have amounted to nothing because the the cant stand the test of logic.
Only logic brings about the truth. Imagination cant.

Before a new concept is realized...does it flash across your mind as imagination or pure logic?

U are missing the point. We are not arguing on which cones first... we are telling u the role of logic in finding the truth.
U can have many many many imagination but they cannot lead to the truth without logic.

So creative things are created with Logic as the starting point?

Logic brings about the truth... not imagination. No one is arguing which cones first or last with u.

If this is how atheists think...then I will rather die than become one...

Stop making up arguments and responding to it while we are actually supposed to be answering each others question here so as to stick to topic.

frank317:
It could be imagination, it could be need, it could be imitation... so? Was this the bane of our argument? Where we ever arguing on which comes first?
The only point i am trying to let u know is that ... without logic all edisons imagination would have remained just imagination....weather it came first of last.
Infact i have so many imaginations that have amounted to nothing because the the cant stand the test of logic.
Only logic brings about the truth. Imagination cant.


U are missing the point. We are not arguing on which cones first... we are telling u the role of logic in finding the truth.
U can have many many many imagination but they cannot lead to the truth without logic.


Logic brings about the truth... not imagination. No one is arguing which cones first or last with u.



Stop making up arguments and responding to it while we are actually supposed to be answering each others question here so as to stick to topic.

Kindly quote where I mentioned logic is totally irrelevant. Kindly read my last four posts and add something to your knowledge bank ...instead of arguing fruitlessly.

If you rely much on Logic...Artificial Intelligence will render you redundant...Only Imaginative, Creative and Intuitive people are beyond the threat of AI.

According to your line of reasoning, I guess talented footballers use only logic to achieve their goals. Edison had to first imagine (mentally picture) what he had to apply logic on to birth - a bulb. A healthy blend of logic and intuition is needed to get the best out of life.

If you don't agree...argue with the authors of the articles I pasted here.

INTUITION + LOGIC = INSIGHT; if you don't agree others with abundance of common sense here agrees...

OkaiCorne:
http://artificial-intuition.com/intuition.html

I will post the strengths and weaknesses of both logic and intuition. Every human being needs a healthy blend of both;

The strength to logic is that it is a very black-and-white process whereby we can gather knowledge and information, analyze and consider it from a very objective viewpoint and act upon it secure in the knowledge that it was based upon a sound process that removes much of the subjectivity and emotionalism as factors. It can provide an understanding that at times there really is the right or wrong decision or solution to a problem and that this process was based upon that concept.

The weakness to logic is that it requires the person to have access to all of the information that is relevant to the decision they need to make or with the problem they need to solve. Sometimes this is possible but at other times the situation is outside of the realm of knowledge. Logic also requires to be considered in an idealized condition. This means that based upon all the information that can be gathered this information is constant and stable thereby the means of measuring it can be reliable and unchanging. Without this than the logic begins to fall apart as unforeseen and unknowable conditions outside of the decision or problem can alter the condition that the logic was based upon.

The strength of intuition is that it does not require a long deliberation process. A person can thereby make a decision or solve a problem immediately based upon a sense of “knowing”. Intuition can be viewed as humans earliest radar system in that they were often confronted with life-and-death decisions and only had their intuition to rely upon. This ability involved an increase in a person’s chance of survival in a very unknown and constantly changing environment. For people that are deeply intuitive and make decisions and solve problems based upon it, they feel more comfortable because it is viewed as a process of using one’s heart, not their head therefore it resonates with them in a deeper way.

The weakness to intuition is that it is subjective and come from more of an ego-based process. As our ego is designed to protect us the problem with it being used in problem-solving and decision-making is that it may come from a place of fear or anxiety which will prevent a person from making a decision or problem solving to the best of their ability. There is also a greater chance of making decisions based on impulse without taking into consideration relevant facts that are needed in order to understand the bigger picture of the problem or the decision to be made.

https://coachcampus.com/coach-portfolios/power-tools/michele-spencer-intuition-vs-logic/

The parts I bolded are the root cause of our arguments. The major thing is to gain a mastery over the weaknesses of Logic and Intuition so you can learn a lot in a less time...

From your link, you must have skipped this. Although, the writer only provided his own opinion, this is noteworthy.


Intuition is fallible. Intuition attempts to make short-term predictions in Bizarre Domains. This is a best-effort process. Intuition can often make useful predictions in spite of ambiguous, incomplete, or misleading information in constantly changing chaotic environments.

Even extremely simple-minded agents can benefit from Intuition. If the best you can do is to try and try again, and if you do not track what you have done, then there is nothing from preventing you from repeatedly trying one and the same failing thing. Even a single bit of memory might allow you to discover the winner when given an alternative that works and one that fails. I plan to add a so far unpublished paper named "Primitive Problem Solving" on this topic to this site at some date.
Since Logic requires a good high-level theory, and in general also insists on correctness, it is incapable of making any predictions at all.


I asked you earlier if intuition can be wrong and right, due to your dribbling you avoided the question, here it is, you brought the link.

When it comes to addressing sensitive issues like the existence of God, you don't need intuition because you might be wrong, a fallible concept. Fallible means imperfect.
All you need to be correct is LOGIC because it insists on correctness. I'm done with you, since you finally brought the link that finished everything

If you don't agree, it's your cup of tea.