Babacele:
hmmm I do not think so sir. right now as you breath , talk and perform other voluntary and involuntary biological processes dear , you unknowingly kill millions of microorganisms in the process and you don't even know why. Don't you think a force is responsible for that?

OkaiCorne:


The way you reason is quite interesting...so where you come from, pacifying others automatically means crying for help abi? I'm really enjoying your tantrums... Infact @ waldigit, stay out of this. Remember I told you Akin1212 would display his scientific wisdom...and he didn't disappoint

Back to the matter on ground...why are you desperate to know the mystery on the planes of existence? Do you want to;

1) Do the obvious by proving me wrong?
2) Or you really want to learn.

Nairalanders want to know what your true intentions are

OkaiCorne:


I hope his scientific brain can process what you are saying o

Akin1212:


Lol, you really should ask your compatriot. I am a novice when it comes to science, in fact, I studied Biochemistry. And sir, talking, breathing does not kill any microorganism. My involuntary actions that kill bacteria in my stomach and my mouth are still being controlled by my brain, such digestion and the production of saliva. My brain is part of me and I am responsible for that action.

But is it a problem for people who believe in an eternal creator not to have a sound logic? How does the killing of bacteria or microorganism relate to who created the planes of existence?

What do you think these microorganisms will think if they know that the eternal creator created things in such a way that human beings kill them for their own good? You think if they know that there is someone called the creator and he did all these, they will be happy with the creator? Logic can't work with God, take it anywhere, that's the main reason for his non-existence. Why is it very hard for you people to understand in this simple concept?

Akin1212:


You cannot substitute pacify for crying. The dude already laid his case to rest why didn't you answer the question instead of jump around?

I am sure Nairalanders are tired of your shying away. You don't even have shame, you dare ask questions when you are yet to answer the simple ones put to you since yesterday.



You should sit and watch so you can be schooled over again like I did on Energy.

Babacele:
but were you informed by your brain that such microorganisms shall be killed in the course of these processes? I bet No sir. you were and are still not aware apart from what you were taught about it in school. this force works without taking permission from you sir. Why the microorganisms have to go that we may not know but it doesn't deny the fact a force beyond you Akin's control exists and controls some of your actions. True or false?

Babacele:
but were you informed by your brain that such microorganisms shall be killed in the course of these processes? I bet No sir. you were and are still not aware apart from what you were taught about it in school. this force works without taking permission from you sir. Why the microorganisms have to go that we may not know but it doesn't deny the fact a force beyond you Skin's control exists and controls some of your actions. True or false?

OkaiCorne:


This will be the last time I will answer your question if you cannot use the basic things of life to understand the complex things.

I have given you countless arithmetical analogies in this thread such that anyone with 5 functioning senses can easily conclude on.

Do you want me to play a video of how everything in the Universe started before you understand?
Did you ask your parents of a video on what they did before you were conceived and birthed?

If you did not ask for these evidence before concluding your parents were your parents, then why is it difficult to conclude everything has a starting point?

This is a public space and you atheists are tempting me to make fun of you. I have not even started with you atheists because I don't think it is worth it pouring water on a stone with the expectation that it would absorb it like a sponge.

I am tired to using an atheist's basket-like brain to fetch water.

Akin1212:


You cannot substitute pacify for crying. The dude already laid his case to rest why didn't you answer the question instead of jump around?

I am sure Nairalanders are tired of your shying away. You don't even have shame, you dare ask questions when you are yet to answer the simple ones put to you since yesterday.



You should sit and watch so you can be schooled over again like I did on Energy.

OkaiCorne:


Forget this guy, he is not an atheist...he is a LOST CAUSE. Even his fellow atheists have abandoned him.

frank317:




well, i must be dumb.

Saying everything and giving me analogies that tries to tell us everything has a starting point does not answer the question of if the creator has a starting point.
If i accept with u that everything must have a starting point, then i must mot accept that the creator has no starting point.

Like i told you in the last discussion... I think its humble and intelligent not to assume up how the universe started and hold on to it like the truth because they lead to more questions. accepting you dont know is wiser to me.

you stick to this starting point ish like is answers my question to u. Sayin and maintaining that everything has a starting point with unrelated analogies does not in any way answer the question on 'if this staring point u point at is uncreated. it does not answer the question on how many these creators are.

You dont need to be angry or arrogant... instead, i should be the one the should be angry that u have refused to answer my question.

If i accept that the universe must have a starting point... i am still left with the question of what or who this starting point it.

I am so surprised why u are not seeing that ur answer does not answer my question.

if u say that the universe must have a starting point which is the creator and maintain that this creator does not have a starting point... then why cant the universe itself not have a starting point.

please answer my question biko. if u dont know, simply be humble enough to say so

Akin1212:


I can sense your fear and tactics. You don't want them to expose the eternal creator the more. Yes, you have exposed your imaginary creator enough, let others do theirs too.

I am a lost cause yet you are concerned. Just quit it already, people are sending me pms on your matter. It's really funny.

frank317:




well, i must be dumb.

Saying everything and giving me analogies that tries to tell us everything has a starting point does not answer the question of if the creator has a starting point.
If i accept with u that everything must have a starting point, then i must mot accept that the creator has no starting point.

Like i told you in the last discussion... I think its humble and intelligent not to assume up how the universe started and hold on to it like the truth because they lead to more questions. accepting you dont know is wiser to me.

you stick to this starting point ish like is answers my question to u. Sayin and maintaining that everything has a starting point with unrelated analogies does not in any way answer the question on 'if this staring point u point at is uncreated. it does not answer the question on how many these creators are.

You dont need to be angry or arrogant... instead, i should be the one the should be angry that u have refused to answer my question.

If i accept that the universe must have a starting point... i am still left with the question of what or who this starting point it.

I am so surprised why u are not seeing that ur answer does not answer my question.

if u say that the universe must have a starting point which is the creator and maintain that this creator does not have a starting point... then why cant the universe itself not have a starting point.

please answer my question biko. if u dont know, simply be humble enough to say so

Akin1212:


I can sense your fear and tactics. You don't want them to expose the eternal creator the more. Yes, you have exposed your imaginary creator enough, let others do theirs too.

I am a lost cause yet you are concerned. Just quit it already, people are sending me pms on your matter. It's really funny.

Akin1212:


You don't know this guy is confused? He will never answer you.

He has failed to answer my simple question since yesterday.

I am sure he will not answer the starting of the creator question, I am 100% sure of that.

OkaiCorne:


I enjoy toying with this your mind ...I gave you basic answers you no gree...na advanced answer you wan agree to ba?

I talk say I no wan give you wetin your mind no fit carry...you talk say I dey fear you.

E be like say where dem born you...Lion dey fear goat abi?

OkaiCorne:


You have deliberately failed to understand my simple and basic analogies for the past few days...is it my fault?

Akin1212:


At the end of all these jargons, NO ONE GIVES WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE. I UNDERSTAND YOU PLIGHT

OkaiCorne:


Frank317, pardon my previous outburst. But this is my style of doing things. I do not impose my views down on anyone's throat. I will give you clues to the answer because I realized that a man appreciates an answer He arrives at on his own finally...rather than an opinion forced down his throat.

If you think I am a theist...think very hard again, because I have seen life through the eyes of atheism and makes no sense at all (my personal opinion).

The only thing I stand for is TRUTH. And TRUTH is a collection of incontrovertible facts which can be within or beyond your level of reasoning.

Because a TRUTH is beyond my level of reasoning does not mean I should dismiss it as non-existent, and that is my problem with Atheists!

Akin1212:


OH, IS IT MY FAULT THAT YOU ANALOGIES ARE UNRELATED TO THE ISSUE IN FOCUS? THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS

frank317:


why do u call something beyond your level of reasoning the TRUTH? How do u know its the truth when u have accepted its beyond ur level of reasoning

OkaiCorne:


Awwwnnn...what a pretty baby throwing tantrums and foaming in the mouth....so cute

OkaiCorne:


There are levels of Truth that goes beyond logic and you need intuition to help you. But it seems at the busstop of logic. Get a spare tire for your bus and move on with life. Have an open mind because the science that you rely on does not have all the answers to life.

The TRUTH goes way beyond Science and Logic...Wake up!

Akin1212:


You don't get the point of this discussion, do you? I personally think you are handing me the victory unaware to you.

I have explained this your "Force" to your apprentice Okaicorne as energy. It is what controls everything in the universe and the multiverse. But it is not self-aware and does not know itself is called energy. It does not require itself to be worshipped and praised, it doesn't give a Bleep. You need to go back to pages 2, 3 and 4 to see the lectures. It is the only logical explanation and not a creator.

The energy or force obviously does not care about the microorganisms, neither does it care about humans or anybody. If you think we humans have this force that kills microorganisms, then why do people still die of infections from microorganisms?

Let me give you an instance, have you seen anybody who died of bacteria or viral infection before? Answer this question and I will provide a subtle answer.

frank317:


are u saying that intuition is better than logic in determining the truth?

OkaiCorne:


Very simple! Because it is beyond my level of understanding does not change it from becoming the TRUTH!

Did you know everything about life from the first day they gave birth to you?

Did you understand the whole TRUTH on life at a tender age?

On the bolded part...do you know you need more than your five senses to know the TRUTH?

Akin1212:


LoL, did you just say I am closing the case prematurely? No, I am busy. I cannot keep going back and forth with someone who cannot answer a simple direct question. It's been over 24 hours you have been avoiding answering just one question. That's really surprising.

Intuition is nonsense, intuition is based on the chance you are right and a chance you're wrong. Tell me is that what you want or you want Logic which tells you what is and what is not?

You seem to be so intuitive, no wonder you believe so much in a creator who cannot stop evil from happening, or better still a creator who is evil itself. You are not really helping further discussions by avoiding to answer the questions put to you. So, Case Closed

Babacele:
nobody is my apprentice. I'm only interested in raising the bar that this beautiful post of yours presents. I never said humans do have that Absolute power but only the Absolute does. can a force unaware of itself bring about intelligent, simple, complex, seeming incomprehensible and chaotic manifestations? If this Energy isn't a creator, so what is the Creator? I'm not even talking about whether He wants to be praised or worshipped. But His laws must be obeyed for when we do we are good but any imbalances in our actions can attracts certain manifestations that are unpleasant like living unhygienically.

frank317:


he believes in a creator who he cannot say if its one or many or machine or big... he can say absolutely nothing about the creator he so much believes in and he is happy.

frank317:


he believes in a creator who he cannot say if its one or many or machine or big... he can say absolutely nothing about the creator he so much believes in and he is happy.

Akin1212:


I think he just confessed to us that he knows nothing of this creator. He has been avoiding questions for over 24 hours.

If this creator is beyond his reasoning then how can he know him?

OkaiCorne:


To answer the bolded part. If I draw a circle, can you identify the starting point?

I have been telling you repeatedly...if you can identify the starting point of a Circle drawn by the Eternal Creator then...you have solved the mystery behind creation.

Any further questions? And please don't ask me what I have answered before...unless you want to tell me you can't solve riddles and draw inferences from basic analogies.

Thanks.

Babacele:
nobody is my apprentice. I'm only interested in raising the bar that this beautiful post of yours presents. I never said humans do have that Absolute power but only the Absolute does. can a force unaware of itself bring about intelligent, simple, complex, seeming incomprehensible and chaotic manifestations? If this Energy isn't a creator, so what is the Creator? I'm not even talking about whether He wants to be praised or worshipped. But His laws must be obeyed for when we do we are good but any imbalances in our actions can attract certain manifestations that are unpleasant like living unhygienically.