Akin1212:


Einstein was agnostic, Newton never proved there was a God with logic. Why on earth would I prove them wrong when they never proved anything about eternal creator right with logic?

Seriously, I hope people are seeing how unreasonable you can be. You cannot make one sense at all. Your common sense is zero, your logic is zero, your intuition is uncertain. Why would I even be hobnobbing with an asinine like you?

Suddenly you want me to prove an agnostic and someone who never used logic to prove God exists wrong. You are unreasonable to the lowest level I can ever imagine.[/b]

My 100% information and logical explanation will come when you attend to these questions I have been asking you for 3 days.

1) Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

2) Who disrupted the earth's plane of existence and how?

Akin1212:


You see why I respond to you harshly atimes? It seems you find it hard to think about what I post or you don't comprehend at all.

So because all those scientists you named are theists, all other scientists were, are or have to be theists? This really marvels me when I tend to read something unreasonable from someone who claims to have logic to know that a God exists. The brain that thinks like this cannot know something complex at all, no wonder you believe in a god.
I will name Scientific atheists who have made notable inputs in science and technology and won Nobel prizes here foryou to see and cross check.

- Albert Einstein was an agnostic but you have been wrongly declaring him a theist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

- Zhores Alferov, an atheist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhores_Alferov
- Hannes Alfven, an atheist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannes_Alfv%C3%A9n
- Philip W. Anderson an atheist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_W._Anderson
- Svante Arrhenius an atheist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius
- Paul Broca. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Broca
- Niels Bohr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Bohr

There much more and tons of them. I can give you more links. You have just been posting about the common scientific names you have heard around, you don't even know a pinch of science. I told you not say things you don't know. It sells you out cheaply. But you will not learn. DON'T SPEAK ABOUT SCIENCE, YOU DON'T KNOW IT.

There are theists and atheists in science. Many scientists have decided not to test the existence of God with their LOGIC because they "decided" to keep their faith gotten through intuition whether wrong or right. It's a choice and that's how they want it, nobody can force them to change it. But many scientists dissected their faith with LOGIC and they saw that it is bullshit_. What will it take you to understand this?

Albert Einstein's religious views have been widely studied and often misunderstood.[1] Einstein stated that he believed in the pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza.[2] He did not believe in a personal God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings, a view which he described as naïve.[3] He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist",[4] preferring to call himself an agnostic,[5] or a "religious nonbeliever."[3] Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me."[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

Nairaland should be crying for you lack of understanding instead because it's a shame, a real big shame.

Akin1212:


Einstein was agnostic, Newton never proved there was a God with logic. Why on earth would I prove them wrong when they never proved anything about eternal creator right with logic?

Seriously, I hope people are seeing how unreasonable you can be. You cannot make one sense at all. Your common sense is zero, your logic is zero, your intuition is uncertain. Why would I even be hobnobbing with an asinine like you?

Suddenly you want me to prove an agnostic and someone who never used logic to prove God exists wrong. You are unreasonable to the lowest level I can ever imagine.[/b]

My 100% information and logical explanation will come when you attend to these questions I have been asking you for 3 days.

1) Who created the planes of existence and for what purpose?

2) Who disrupted the earth's plane of existence and how?

Akin1212:

No, I don't. Why? Because the universe is full of errors. If a God programmed this Universe, then he is incompetent. Vey very incompetent looking around it's very easy to see that. Have you ever seen the universe full fledge? If you believe you God created this universe, then I am disappointed in the creator. But on the other hand, Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Energy is the Alpha and the Omega. You can only convert it from one form to the other. Energy is what most of you perceive as God and worships. But this Energy is not self-aware or conscious, it just acts. This Energy is not a being, it doesn't have angels, does not have a fierce enemy. Is not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Does not control human beings. Did not create hellfire, Did not do a lot of things.



What's wrong with just coming to be? Don't you believe it can just come to be? Why believe God then just came to be?



Hahahaha, let me laugh a little. No that's actually an irony. This Energy is what you people now call God, and God that you people are going crazy about now has probably always been energy and is not worth being worshipped or feared. You just have to appreciate it.



Well, my viewpoint is plain. If God exists, then he's got to be perfect. But he is not as you have agreed he is only omniscient "to an extent" of which there is nothing as that. Energy has flaws and we know, so we in the science world have discovered how to use this energy to perfection.
I still maintain there is no being called God, because all these flaws are too cheap for a would be God. Is there anyway you want to explain the deficiencies of an Almighty who is not perfect? brother, we are truly not arguing, we are just enlightening each other.

OkaiCorne:


[s]From the Encarta definition of ILLOGICAL which you gleefully posted, ILLOGICAL means not following the rules of Logic. You stated Logic is wrong and irrelevant in the face of incomplete details,

How can you make a logical decision in the face of 99% details?

What makes up for the 1% detail you don't have before you make a decision (Scientific logic abi )?

WHEN LIFE PRESENTS INCOMPLETE DETAILS AND YOU MUST MAKE A CHOICE, THE CHOICE YOU MADE IS ILLOGICAL ABI?

Go and check the second meaning of Illogical on your Encarta dictionary AND EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE ON HOW TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF LOGIC IN THE FACE OF INCOMPLETE DETAILS

Meanwhile let me make something clear to you. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS...JUST ADMIT IT INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND QUESTIONS YOUR LOGICAL BRAIN CANNOT FATHOM WHEN I GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. CALL ON OTHER ATHEISTS TO HELP YOU...BUT I GUESS THEY HAVE ABANDONED YOU SINCE YOU ARE INTELLIGENT WITH 100% INFORMATION[/s]

OkaiCorne:
Atheists on this thread, Kindly help an intelligent atheist that has 100% details to use SCIENTIFIC LOGIC and answer the following questions;

[s]How is it possible for an artwork (Universe) to exist without a Painter (Eternal Creator)?

How is it possible for a Decision Tree (Universe) to stand without a start point (Eternal Creator)?[/s]

Thanks for your answers in advance

OkaiCorne:


Agnostics are not sure that an Eternal Creator exists. According to the article you posted...Einstein believed in the Pantheistic God of Baruch Spinoza, but he is still an Agnostic abi?

Is there another definition for Agnostics? Can an Agnostic believe in what they are not sure of?

Use simple logic na ... Can you believe in what you are not sure of (Existence of a Creator)?

Why are you not following the rules of logic (an apt meaning for ILLOGICAL)


Let's keep it simple;

If theists believes in the Existence of an Eternal Creator,

Atheists do not believe in the Existence of an Eternal Creator,

Agnostics are not sure of the Existence of an Eternal Creator,

In which of these three would Einstein and Spinoza fall into? Keep it simple. Going by your logic, it is possible to believe in what you are not sure of abi?

A definition of Agnosticism just in case you want to shift the goal post with your "Scientific Logic"

Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Akin1212:


Atheists on this thread? The only ones here have been me and Frank.
Why do you resort to calling others all the time the heat burns you? Are you looking for sympathy? You're looking for weak atheists you can easily overshadow? . It ain't happening son.

Life is fair, isn't it? Be fair too. It's now 72 hours you are still yet to answer who created the planes of existence and why?
And you want your own answers, which I have already answered to be answered again? Hell no.


You have been jumping from topic to topic just avoid answering the questions. Why?

Akin1212:


I gave you a link that boldly stated that Albert Einstein categorically stated that he prefers to be called an agnostic or a religious unbeliever.
If you feel like arguing that, carry your arguments to Wikipedia and argue there. Or didn't you read it with your own eyes?
Don't come and give me more of that ignorance that has taken over you here.

Kindly spare me the stress and argue with Wikipedia abeg.

Akin1212:


Here we go again this early mormor, dancing and crying over a confused adult male and his non-existent eternal creator. Haven't I tried enough for you to solve your problems? A confused man is a very poor man. Who has done this to you? Do you want to prove your eternal creator is alive? Tell him to say a simple "Hello." I bet my life on that, he cannot.

From the definition of logic I taught you, ILLOGICAL means not following the rules of logic. Very simple, you saw but your brain still could not process it. Do you need some sort of injection to help you process things? How can someone who does not think at all even find God? Intuition abi? Let me help you once again the only way I can because I don't have the injections to give you.

What is logic? -> From the same Encarta dictionary, I once defined logic for your incapable mind, but as usual, you don't process anything at all.
Logic is a system or instance of reasoning: any system of, or an instance of, reasoning and inference-> My system of reasoning is science, that is what my logic is based on, and science have 100% information that an eternal creator does not, cannot, could not have, would not, will not exist. If it's paining you, why not just commit suicide?

When life presents you 99% information and you make a choice, then your choice is illogical. Process these things and spare us dancing like fools. We can't be going over the same things over and over again. Call a spade, a spade. Your eternal creator exists not.

My second definition stated it all for illogical minds like you, it's just left for you to lower your ego and accept that you are illogical. Being illogical is not the end of the world. It doesn't mean you will die, don't be scared.
If you don't have complete details just say you don't know. That's honesty. Frank317 has been hammering it you since we started, he said he doesn't know how the world started because he does not have complete details. You, on the other hand, is claiming you know despite your incomplete details. Go fuck_ yourself, sir, you stink of ignorance. When you don't know something just say you don't know

You are really ignorant, You know how I got to know? You failed on the parallel universe, you failed on planes of existence, you failed on 6th sense, you're failing in logic and intuition now. You keep jumping from one thing to another and I keep trashing you. Are you not tired of being trashed?

OkaiCorne:



Everyone on this thread knows what your conclusion on my answer is already...you will still say it is wrong. So why bother for an answer to a question when you have concluded in your mind that it is wrong...is that what intelligent people like you do?

Akin1212:


Dead on arrival. So you know that your answer is wrong already, that's why you have been avoiding the questions? Nice confession this is.

Although, I would be compelled to say it's wrong by my intuition, given that you have been wrong on so many grounds since we started, so I won't need to think about your wrongness. But I will still give it a logical view because I am nice.

Just answer the questions, I don't have time for long epistles with you anymore, you have given me reasons not discuss sensitive matters with you, you say the things you don't basing my reasons on past experience with you.

OkaiCorne:


Have you made Illogical choices and got your answers right? if yes, why do you think Scientific Theists are wrong about the existence of an Eternal Creator?

You keep on posting 99% tantrums and 1% "Intelligence" If you are Intelligent, then I rather remain an ordinary man for the rest of my life

As for honesty ... kindly demonstrate your 100% details (logic) on the absence of an Eternal Creator...as for me, I no sabi anything but na only you sabi the 100% details

Akin1212:


The first question you need to ask yourself before anything is that, these scientific theists you're obsessed with, did they use LOGIC to find God? Is there anywhere you saw it that a scientist used science on the concept of God and found that he exists? The full concept of science?

What exactly do you want me to prove wrong, their logic on scientific works or their logic on finding God> Have you asked yourself this question?

OkaiCorne:


So what did Scientific Theists use to conclude on the existence of an Eternal Creator if logic was not considered?
You have 100% details (Scientific Logic), please tell me because I DON'T KNOW











Dear Akin1212 and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

MY LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.

Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...

Akin1212:


I should be asking you because you have been insinuating that all scientists will use logic to question God's existence. I really really bow for your level of understanding.

So because Isaac Newton is a scientist, he should be an atheist, is that what you understand by LOGIC? I shake my head for you, sir...


Dear OkaiCorne and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

OkaiCorne LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy(Which nothing can happen in its absence) plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.

Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...

Akin1212:


I should be asking you because you have been insinuating that all scientists will use logic to question God's existence. I really really bow for your level of understanding.

So because Isaac Newton is a scientist, he should be an atheist, is that what you understand by LOGIC? I shake my head for you, sir...


Dear OkaiCorne and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

OkaiCorne LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy(Which nothing can happen in its absence) plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.

Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...

Akin1212:


I should be asking you because you have been insinuating that all scientists will use logic to question God's existence. I really really bow for your level of understanding.

So because Isaac Newton is a scientist, he should be an atheist, is that what you understand by LOGIC? I shake my head for you, sir...


Dear OkaiCorne and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

OkaiCorne LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy(Which nothing can happen in its absence) plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.

Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...

Akin1212:


I should be asking you because you have been insinuating that all scientists will use logic to question God's existence. I really really bow for your level of understanding.

So because Isaac Newton is a scientist, he should be an atheist, is that what you understand by LOGIC? I shake my head for you, sir...


Dear OkaiCorne and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

OkaiCorne LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy(Which nothing can happen in its absence) plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.

Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...

OkaiCorne:


What makes you right and what makes Isaac Newton wrong on your conclusions about the ETERNAL CREATOR?

DO YOU HAVE ANY BASIC EXAMPLE YOU CAN STATE HERE? We are still waiting for the first basic example of how life can exist without being created Mr.Scientific Atheist

MikkyGold:

OkaiCorne:


Akin1212...once again on the basics

Before you twist my conclusion with your "Scientific Logic", let me clarify this:

INTUITION + LOGIC = INSIGHT (I have used this to conclude on the Existence of an Eternal Creator)

LOGIC - INTUITION = LIMITED KNOWLEDGE (Akin1212 used this to conclude on the absence of an Eternal Creator)


INTUITION MUST ALWAYS BE COMBINED WITH LOGIC TO COMPENSATE FOR THE SHORTFALL OF LOGIC IN THE FACE OF INCOMPLETE DETAILS


Akin1212...Nairaland is in awe of your Scientific Logic. Continue with the display

OkaiCorne:


Akin1212...once again on the basics

Before you twist my conclusion with your "Scientific Logic", let me clarify this:

INTUITION + LOGIC = INSIGHT (I have used this to conclude on the Existence of an Eternal Creator)

LOGIC - INTUITION = LIMITED KNOWLEDGE (Akin1212 used this to conclude on the absence of an Eternal Creator)


INTUITION MUST ALWAYS BE COMBINED WITH LOGIC TO COMPENSATE FOR THE SHORTFALL OF LOGIC IN THE FACE OF INCOMPLETE DETAILS


Akin1212...Nairaland is in awe of your Scientific Logic. Continue with the display

OkaiCorne:


Based on the above bolded in red color, Akin1212 has used Scientific Logic to imply that:

Humans SEE better than Cats and Dogs

Humans PERCEIVE better than Dogs...

Hence the Human Sense is very correct with absolutely no limitations whatsoever in concluding on the absence of an Eternal Creator

OkaiCorne:


Based on the above bolded in red color, Akin1212 has used Scientific Logic to imply that:

Humans SEE better than Cats and Dogs

Humans PERCEIVE better than Dogs...

Hence the Human Sense is very correct with absolutely no limitations whatsoever in concluding on the absence of an Eternal Creator

Graycoder:


Do you stand to gain anything in telling people what is false?

Please I just want to know. What do cats and Dogs use to see? is it not their eyes? Is eyes not one of the 5 senses?

Your above statement proves nothing, it does not prove Akin1212 wrong. I have been following this thread for 4 days now and please it will be wise to just accept that you have been floored. Especially on logic and intuition. Yo have been floored also on the planes of existence and the parallel universe. These things are in public for everyone to see. Please sir, enough of this shame.

Graycoder:


Do you stand to gain anything in telling people what is false?

Please I just want to know. What do cats and Dogs use to see? is it not their eyes? Is eyes not one of the 5 senses?

Your above statement proves nothing, it does not prove Akin1212 wrong. I have been following this thread for 4 days now and please it will be wise to just accept that you have been floored. Especially on logic and intuition. Yo have been floored also on the planes of existence and the parallel universe. These things are in public for everyone to see. Please sir, enough of this shame.

Akin1212:


Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...


Dear OkaiCorne and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

OkaiCorne LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy(Which nothing can happen in its absence) plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.


This is not copying, it's the correction of your misplaced brain

I have seen that you have misunderstood scientific logic, I just have to correct it.

Akin1212:


Dear All kindly critique my Logic alongside OkaiCorne and conclude...


Dear OkaiCorne and all Nairalanders, let us go back to the basics of logic and Science;

OkaiCorne LOGIC
If at the Logical level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the intuitive level, An Eternal Creator (which is an immaterial spirit and I have not seen before) needs ENERGY (Universal Energy which is physical and material) to get things done (create the Earth, Other Planets and Stars that he has lost control of)

AKIN1212 LOGIC
If at the basic level, humans (conscious & intelligent life form) needs ENERGY to get things done therefore;
At the advanced level, Energy(Which nothing can happen in its absence) plays a key role in creating the Earth, Other Planets and stars without the input of an immaterial, unintelligent life form (Eternal Creator, which nobody has seen before). Because the 5 senses (alone,in which none else exists) of a Human (which is correct according to science) cannot visualize the spirit eternal creator.


This is not copying, it's the correction of your misplaced brain

I have seen that you have misunderstood scientific logic, I just have to correct it.

Graycoder:


Please sir, do you just like trolling this guy or you're having fun?

It's obvious that this guy is unintelligent and is here to derail this topic. I have seen his lapses since 4 days now, he does not have a real world understanding. Is he even a scientist? Why discuss what he does not understand with him?

Graycoder:


Please sir, do you just like trolling this guy or you're having fun?

It's obvious that this guy is unintelligent and is here to derail this topic. I have seen his lapses since 4 days now, he does not have a real world understanding. Is he even a scientist? Why discuss what he does not understand with him?