Typewriter:
Y is he not making biblical quote and examples, better still, let ask the Israelite about tithes and how its collected and how or ways it can be spent simple.
The bible said gather it and choose a venue where the have and the have not will come together and enjoy a feast and drink wine even alcoholic wine (its a day of merriment) to see that the poor are happy in the land,
Mark you money was not the main item for tithing but farm produce and livestock only those who live far from the tithing arena are advice to sell and bring cash so as to save them the stress of moving their items from far and remote locations. But today's pastors are asking only money, if ur a yam farmer, bring 1 tenth of ur harvest, a plantations owners bring the same cow herdsmen same but when you offer services u bring from your net profit and not gross profit yes profit after taxes and miscellaneous deductions, like doctors teacher and real estate consultant etc, again the value such money is to purchase food items and expended only on the issue of tithing day feast of that year. Like rentals, paid cook, suppliers cleaners etc.

Again tithes is to gather items to share for the benefit of all but especially for the poor in our societies period.

Even if you own a land or plantations by God's wish you are not to clear everything on harvest time, yes you must leave some and ask the widows and orphans or orphanage to go into your land to clear the left covers. By so doing you reap blessings from God and love or likeness from people.

So give no pastor your tithes better still church should create a tithe committee mandated to collect and agree on the venue to celebrate the feast for their members that will be a better option or you give ur tithe to the less privilege people you know but be sure its 10% o!
TITHING WAS A PART OF THE LAW OF MOSES; BELIEVERS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

BELIVERS ARE NOW UNDER GRACE SO TITHING IS NOT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, AS CHRIST HAS REDEEMED ALL BY HIS DEATH ON CROSS CAN YOU PAY 10% FOR THAT? NO

rather, as Christians we are to give from our heart to support God's work by donation to the true church or the deserving less privileged around us. Give from your heart not by force and not by 1% or 100% just be truthful to your desire to give unto God's work or people in need for no reward in mind, as God is not interested in measurements but true love for giving.

If you like your pastor why not give him gift from time to time and not your tithes mandatorily like a tax

TITHING WAS AN INVOLUNTARY TAX TO SUPPORT ISRAEL; BELIEVERS ARE NOT A PART OF THE THEOCRATIC NATION.In the Old Testament, there was both required and voluntary giving. The tithe was required. It was commanded for every Israelite to fund national worship and help the poor. In actuality, there was not just one tithe, but rather two or three ([1] Lev. 27:30-33, Num. 18:20-21; [2] Deut. 12:17-18; [3] Deut. 14:2
so that the total was not 10 percent, but more like 22 percent
Generous grace giving is the New Testament standard and letter to the early churches on tithe but giving for love was more advocated



So give freely and truly to any deserving person or cause or pastor as a support and expect noting in return only but thanks and love to share with men and extend to God. E.g bro John just paid my rent help me thank him! Then bro John will smile and say let's all Thank God who truly provide the money, love and opportunity for His works and Name to be praised. That all folks! No tithes but show true love and support to one another and to each other. ��

a Jehovah's witness spotted. I believe u 100% on this. Even tho u guys are not perfect just like the other denominations, Una de try wela.

odimbannamdi:


In that verse, Jesus acknowledged and recommended the tithing activities of the Scribes and pharisees, but he admonished them to also engage in better practicing.

What's your point, sir?

VEry good! My point is that Christ did NOT actually condemn tithing, he clearly said that there are more important things we should do as well as the less important ones...but people are making it look like tithing is wrong, but Christ himself didn’t condemn it..in that passage, he said ‘do this while also doing this’....

IamtherealRita:




Tithing itself is a dead work

While it is true that Jesus will reward the faithful ones (Rev. 22:12) and while it is also true that the ultimate desire of our life should be to please the Lord (2 Cor. 5:9) so that we can hear the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant" from Him one day, yet Jesus Himself warned us against the self-centred desire for even a heavenly reward, motivating us in our sacrifices and our service for Him.

When Peter compared himself favourably with the rich young ruler (who had just turned away from Jesus) and asked the question, "What shall we get for all that we have given up for you?" (Matt. 19:27), Jesus replied with the parable of the labourers (Matt. 20:1-16). There we find that those who worked for pay (reward) ended up last, while those who worked without any thought of reward ended up first (even though they had done only a small percentage of the work that the former had done).

Quantity versus quality - there we see the difference between dead works and living works. Works done with the hope of our ultimately being promoted above other believers and finding a place in the bride of Christ, will be exposed as dead works in the final day.

If you purify your thought-life, do good to others, and love your wife or submit to your husband, all with the thought of being exalted in some future day, then `Self' is still at the centre of your life, and all your self-centred `good' works are dead works!

Those who do get crowns in glory are quick to cast them down at the feet of the Lord, saying, "Thou alone art worthy" (Rev. 4:10). It is only when we have purged ourselves from motives other than the desire to glorify God, that we can be freed from dead works. If we keep a record in our memory of all the good works that we have done, those good works become dead works.

Jesus gave us two pictures of the final judgment day - one where people listed before the Lord all the good things that they had done in their earthly lives, "Lord, we prophesied in Your name, we healed the sick in Your name, etc" (Matt. 7:22,23). These people were rejected by the Lord. In the other picture we find the righteous surprised when they are reminded by the Lord of the good that they had done in their earthly lives. "Lord, when did we do that?", is their surprised cry (Matt. 25:34-40). They had forgotten about the good that they had done - for they had not done those works for reward. There we see a clear contrast between dead works and living works. Which category do we fit into?

Too many words but little substance, the passage in Matthew 23:23 nullifies your first statement..I’m sorry but I’ll take the words of Christ over your own...

Seun:

Actually, the stance of the New Testament on a lot of these issues are quite obvious to anyone who interpretes the Bible honestly.


The old testament forbids Jewish women from wearing men's clothes but it doesn't say which clothes are men's clothes and which ones are women's clothes. The New Testament only talks about "modesty" in dressing. Trousers that are not too tight are more modest than skirts.


The Sabbath is on Saturday, but Paul made it very clear that Christians who are not Jews should not be asked to keep the Sabbath.


There was no non-alcoholic wine in the Bible. Jesus, the apostles, and Paul drank alcoholic wine on multiple occasions. Jesus and the early Christians performed the holy communion with alcoholic wine. So a blanket ban on the consumption of alcohol is not supported by the Bible. However, many Bible passages condemn drunkenness. so biblically, it's okay to consume alcohol, but not to the point of getting drunk.


There is no biblical basis for tithing. This is quite clear. Nobody who reads the Bible honestly will conclude that Christians should pay tithes.


If your faith and belief is based on the Bible, and not on the church you attend, then the correct answers to all the questions above are clear.

It is difficult to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding it, or if he is truly an imbecìle.
So the fact that most of those who are in support of tithing (and they are a significant part of the population) do not derive any income from the practice is a bad indication for the average IQ in Nigeria

divicode:


Olodo
That is an old video! Oyedepo does not have your time, you and your shheple Pastor can continue wasting your time

Sorry o oyedepo worshipper/lawyer...

E deh your body like eczema... Shior

Daddy freeze was right to call them out. These pastors are scammers and are taking the piss.
Another way to look at it .
There is nothing wrong in pooling resources. Pooling resources form the basis of every great civilization and organised society. The concept being that we are able to do together what an individual is unable to do alone .
From the ancient Yoruba farmers cooperatives to the traders forum , these ideas have been practiced for ages.
the Anglican , Catholic, Methodist etc schools of yore (Go to most towns and cities in yorubaland, you will find missionary schools or hospital right behind these churches) were fully embedded in the local communities.
They were funded by the tithes and offerings of the local church (at times , by the international or national church) . Their aims beyond just preaching was the general well being of the community ( not church members alone)
These pastors and churches are nothing but one of the heads of the hyra headed monster unleashed by the application of IMF and world Bank policies on the country. They are hucksters. They preach individualism while misappropriating the pooled resources of their congregation. They suck those resources from the local communities into their headquarters where the money is spent anyhow .
You therefore find communities without electricity where church goers are happy to donate multiple times in resources to a church that doesn't care but find it hard to pooling resources together to buy a transformer or clear their drainage or build a community school.

This video explain it all



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGQsL9HE90o

sarutobie:
Can any TRUE christain with his/her bible at hand open to Matthew 23:23 and tell us what he/she understood from that passage(which was Christ himself speaking on the matter of tithing)...

do u read ur bible in isolation. U haven't heard that out of the mouth of 2 or 3 a word is established? What kind of generation is this sef? Tithe is a fraud . simple

gabe:
Leviticus 20:30-34 is explicit on tithes. Freeze should read that. Now, the argument is if jewish laws on tithing
should be translated to christian rules on giving.

Leviticus 20 is from vs 1 to 27.May be u should quote another one

odimbannamdi:
You gave a non-contextual interpretation of that verse, sir. You simply took out the agricultural product part, completely ignoring the other parts.

In those days, there were little use of money as most items were procured by products' exchange. So, agric products were almost equivalent to present day money.

Of course, we cant all bring our "products" (and services) to God as tithe today. We bring money equivalent.

From that verse, Jesus appreciated the Pharisees for paying their tithes, but he encoyraged them to participate in weightier issue of life. This implies that the tithe is good and biblical, but should be done alongside other good things

Did you just type “non contextual”?
If you are really interested in the context of the passage, please read Deuteronomy 14.
If after reading you are still confused about the context that Jesus Christ was speaking from, please let me know so that I can explain further.
Remain blessed.

Kindly read Deut. 14 vs 22-29. There u will see the law of the tithe. A section of d Bible our pastors will never discuss or preach cos it's against their selfish interest.

oruma19:
do u read ur bible in isolation. U haven't heard that out of the mouth of 2 or 3 a word is established? What kind of generation is this sef? Tithe is a fraud . simple

So i should take your word and that of freeze as established truths from 2 witnesses abi? Instead of what Christ himself said?? You try wella.

Christianity and its gullible followers. Open your eyes and read the Bible. Did Jesus and his Disciples pay tithe? Did Jesus receive tithe? Was Jesus a Rich Man? Why are the so called Men of God preaching things favorable to them in wealth acquisition. In my own view tithe should be given to the poor, needy and handicap not the Pastors who live extravagant life style while the followers lives in abject poverty.

elChapo1:
I'm not in support of freeze tho, but the rate at which some "mega" preachers be defending tithing shows how much freeze's speech hit them. The bible is too big for preachers to continually overemphasize on tithing!

No, they're not defending tithing cos of freeze, they're defending the message, if one out of hundreds of subjects the bible talks about is being debated it would be wrong of them to ignore it cos there are many others.

Its like some guy popping up on social media saying parents should no longer correct their little kids, they should let kids do whatever they want and learn on their own what's right or wrong, then parents start showing up online to defend the importance and necessity of parents correcting and guiding their children thru life.

Would you say that the guy is right judging from the way parents are defending the the importance of correcting their kids?

Ovokoo:
The debate about whether to pay tithe or not has been raging for some time in the Nigerian Christendom. With controversial OAP, Daddyfreeze stoking the embers. Different pastors have responded but have failed to give scriptural evidence of the aforementioned. FInally, the Pastor of the Living Faith Church, Bishop David Oyedepo has come out to disclaim the claims that Tithing is no biblical.

So I watched the video from the beginning to the end and all I saw was Oyedepo ranting about Elephant, cow and cat. Nothing in the video justifies payment of tithe by Christians.

you guys should please fear God beside no one force you to give your tight is a choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpnDHqZXekM

Afam4eva:

You just spoiled the whole thing by putting D'Banj there because right now, he's a legendary upcoming artiste.

You just disappointed me with this now, so because Nas or any other artistes don't cook a track that is a hit it automatically means such artiste should be disdain. I expect much anyway.

This Video is not recent na... Person just go root out this Video from somewhere...

Well done my people.Amongst the richest billionaires in DOLLARS we have in the in world no one pays tithe.Amongst the foolish ones paying tithe no one is paying correct amount and they don't even pay TAXS to the government.The bible is in support of paying tax yet no pastor talks about it.Use you head my people of God.

walexydo:
Leviticus 20 is from vs 1 to 27.May be u should quote another one

Leviticus 27:30-34. thanks for the correction

cheaphost:
This Pastor separates people by the amount of money they pay for tithe. If you have lived 35 years, you should pay 35, 000 naira.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SViH0_ZjZk

This is sickening.
Pastorprenuer selling the gospel to feed and live a rock star life.
And people remain in these kind of business centres called church?

lonelydora:
Most people criticising pastors do not even pay tithe or contribute more than 2000 for a church project, and they make the loudest noise.

Real givers in church who gives large amount of money does so secretly without anyone's knowledge.

People, if as a contractor, i win a big contract or i get promoted in my job with the aid of my pastors prayers, omo, what is 10% or more to give God back?

If you can't pay tithe, leave those that understands the kingdom's principles of tithing to continue.

A check on my bosses, have shown that they donate massively in church projects/pay tithes, reason they keep getting it back in folds.

I have some Alhaji friends (non-fanatics) who whenever i give them invitation for a church project launching, they willingly give me big money in an envelope to give to the Church.

WE NEED A CREED ON CHRISTIAN THREADS HERE JUST LIKE THE MUSLIMS HAVE.

I don't think its just about tithes bt wat these pastor use it for. How has the church after the helped those who do not have in their church. U drive 4 private jets and people are starving in ur church, they can pay school fees for a decent education and u think dats how to be Christian? Read the story of the good Samaritan. Pastors,priest neva cared it was a caring samaritan. So 4get all these selfish pastors i hv seen enough of them. They are far from christ like and i can say to anybody's face

anaton:


Again no scriptural evidence to back the support of tithe in the new testament church.

Just say you don't know the bible. Hebrews 7:2

lonelydora:
Most people criticising pastors do not even pay tithe or contribute more than 2000 naira for a church project, and they make the loudest noise.

Real givers in church who give large amount of money does so secretly without anyone's knowledge.

People, if as a contractor, i win a big contract or i get promoted in my job with the aid of my pastors prayers, omo, what is 10% or more to give God back?

If you can't pay tithe, leave those that understands the kingdom's principles of tithing to continue.

A check on my bosses, have shown that they donate massively in church projects/pay tithes, reason they keep getting it back in folds.

I have some Alhaji friends (non-fanatics) who whenever i give them invitation for a church project launching, they willingly give me big money in an envelope to give to the Church.

WE NEED A CREED ON CHRISTIAN THREADS HERE JUST LIKE THE MUSLIMS HAVE.

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jaxxy:


I don't think its just about tithes bt wat these pastor use it for. How has the church after the helped those who do not have in their church. U drive 4 private jets and people are starving in ur church, they can pay school fees for a decent education and u think dats how to be Christian? Read the story of the good Samaritan. Pastors,priest neva cared it was a caring samaritan. So 4get all these selfish pastors i hv seen enough of them. They are far from christ like and i can say to anybody's face

I understand there are real and fake Pastors. Some of these pastors you see don't even touch church money. They run programmes both on air, media, and online. They pay church workers, they maintain all parish buildings, they travel to preach the word in different locations, etc. Some pastors i know, even pay school fees, house rents, buy food for the widows and orphans in their church. We need to stop criticisms.

cold:
Lol...seriously though whom should we blame for these tithing shenanigans? The gods of men who preach it in order to make a living albeit dishonestly. Or the pliable adherents who make regular payments to these men in the false hope that god would double or triple their blessings?
Like a popular saying goes; a foòl and his money are soon parted..sigh
Imagine that KICC man in the second video separating the congregation according to the denominations they're paying. 'Dollars to the left, Naira to the right'. 'If you're 35 you'll pay 35,000. 60 you'll pay 60,000'. Seriously what is going on? Why can't these folks see these charlatans who they truly are? It's indeed a sorry state of affairs.

That video is sickening.
The pastorprenuer kept on repeating :"Dollars to the left,Naira to the right,Dollars and Naira in the middle.
Do these kind of pastors represent Christ in any sort of way. These are business centres not religious houses.

God knows i can never pay any dime in any church. If the pastor likes, he should mention my names countless times that I don't pay shishi. I'll continue not to pay. It's just amazing and frustrating that the sheeples can't just see thks broaday light scam

Ovokoo:
The debate about whether to pay tithe or not has been raging for some time in the Nigerian Christendom. With controversial OAP, Daddyfreeze stoking the embers. Different pastors have responded but have failed to give scriptural evidence of the aforementioned. FInally, the Pastor of the Living Faith Church, Bishop David Oyedepo has come out to disclaim the claims that Tithing is no biblical.

Watch the Video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAhxnmH-bk

This pastorprenuer failed to quote one single verse in the Bible to support tithes.
Not one single verse rather the fraudster was going on about poo and excreta. Relating tithes to how much you eat is what you sh1t out. It therefore follows that if you steal one million Naira,you will sh1t out a tithe of 10 % of what you stole.
What kind of men of God are these?
And they have followers?
Can't their followers read the Bible and set themselves free?

lonelydora:
Most people criticising pastors do not even pay tithe or contribute more than 2000 naira for a church project, and they make the loudest noise.

Real givers in church who give large amount of money does so secretly without anyone's knowledge.

People, if as a contractor, i win a big contract or i get promoted in my job with the aid of my pastors prayers, omo, what is 10% or more to give God back?

If you can't pay tithe, leave those that understands the kingdom's principles of tithing to continue.

A check on my bosses, have shown that they donate massively in church projects/pay tithes, reason they keep getting it back in folds.

I have some Alhaji friends (non-fanatics) who whenever i give them invitation for a church project launching, they willingly give me big money in an envelope to give to the Church.

WE NEED A CREED ON CHRISTIAN THREADS HERE JUST LIKE THE MUSLIMS HAVE.

So your bosses get back their tithe "investment" in folds? You think the tithe investment is the reason for their success?

So Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or Larry Ellison or Warren Buffet or Carlos Slim or Larry Page or Sergei Brin - or let us even start with our own Dangote - told you that their success and wealth is a function of investing in tithes, abi? It's funny that many of you are probably highly educated people. How did you all come to be this brainwashed by charlatans and fraudsters appropriating and misinterpreting and twisting an anachronistic Jewish custom for their selfish benefits? Why can't you use your heads?

Ovokoo:
The debate about whether to pay tithe or not has been raging for some time in the Nigerian Christendom. With controversial OAP, Daddyfreeze stoking the embers. Different pastors have responded but have failed to give scriptural evidence of the aforementioned. FInally, the Pastor of the Living Faith Church, Bishop David Oyedepo has come out to disclaim the claims that Tithing is no biblical.

Watch the Video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAhxnmH-bk

The video doesn't mention anything about tithing. How is using the analogy of receiving and discharging/giving (Elephant, Cow, or Cat) the same thing as tithing. Please you people should fear God instead of creating false threads.