PabloAfricanus:


Another one bubbling with fierce nationalism!
When next you go home, ask your elders about how Ifa saw Oduduwa coming and told the elders at Ife to welcome him, that he will help them.
They saw him coming, though some heads of the houses like Obatala put up a resistance and fought to maintain the status quo.
Guess who formed awo cults to protest his dominance?
Guess where he came from?
Guess why there has always been a mythology and story about Oduduwa coming from somewhere in the east?
If you believe the recent fabrications to distance now learned Yoruba historians from that Far East migration story, then I am sorry.
There is a whole lot of intertwined history with Nupe, Bini, Hausa and Yorubas...especially Nupes than is presently documented.
May be you should do some research and inform yourself.

Recent fabrications also include the bini claim

There is no evidence that Oduduwa came from bini. This is sub Saharan Africa where coronation rites, rituals and traditions, festivals, songs etc are used to tell stories for example; when the owa idanre says he took oduduwa's crown he proves it by showing the crown itself in a festival similar to Olojo in Ife, in idanre there are songs and rituals of how those who came to retrieve the crown have failed

When Ooni wants to show that he defeated Obatala it is proven through a festival. How Moremi saved Ife is portrayed in a festival

What festival exist in bini that portrays oduduwa as a Bini man? What oriki or song? What part of the coronation rites of the Oba of bini portrays oduduwa?
What saying connects oduduwa to Bini?

Some shameless morons who are driven by sentiments and not passion for history came out to say something that has no basis in any their own culture or anybody's culture and more fools like you believe

What is the difference between the Bini claim and Mecca? Both lack evidence and consistency


If you want to know oduduwa's origin, to go Ife...theres an oduduwa cult, there are families who have been tasked for over 800years to pass down stories about oduduwa and keep his groove - the leader of these families is called Obadio.

Coronation rites of the ooni tells us where his origin is, where he first goes to collect a crown (a makeshift crown, his the real one is now in Idanre)

macof:


Recent fabrications also include the bini claim

There is no evidence that Oduduwa came from bini. This is sub Saharan Africa where coronation rites, rituals and traditions, festivals, songs etc are used to tell stories for example; when the owa idanre says he took oduduwa's crown he proves it by showing the crown itself in a festival similar to Olojo in Ife, in idanre there are songs and rituals of how those who came to retrieve the crown have failed

When Ooni wants to show that he defeated Obatala it is proven through a festival. How Moremi saved Ife is portrayed in a festival

What festival exist in bini that portrays oduduwa as a Bini man? What oriki or song? What part of the coronation rites of the Oba of bini portrays oduduwa?
What saying connects oduduwa to Bini?

Some shameless morons who are driven by sentiments and not passion for history came out to say something that has no basis in any their own culture or anybody's culture and more fools like you believe

What is the difference between the Bini claim and Mecca? Both lack evidence and consistency


If you want to know oduduwa's origin, to go Ife...theres an oduduwa cult, there are families who have been tasked for over 800years to pass down stories about oduduwa and keep his groove - the leader of these families is called Obadio.

Coronation rites of the ooni tells us where his origin is, where he first goes to collect a crown (a makeshift crown, his the real one is now in Idanre)

yea ...i get ur point ikaladeran izoduwa known as oduduwa have so many songs sang of his journey to ile ife and he was about to be killed many bears is name in benin names like izoduwa,oduwa,osagieduwa and so on his name is been immortalised in streets in benin he was never a king in benin tho so more would have been documented about him .when you go to the benin musuem you will see other related iteams of him

oromiyan on the hand had a vast history because he strarted a new era he was the one who started the benin prince not seen his father till is death because he was never close to his son eweka .eweka was been trained by his grandfather and other noble chiefs he was only communicating with is dad through telegraphy stool which is still found in d museum uptill now

note: izoduwa wasnt a big figure in the benin history unlike how he is in yoruba land
we acknowledged oba ewuare 1 than him because he made benin what it is .the yoruba decided to document everything about izoduwa doesnt makes him not a benin man a wise mam once said a king isnt respected in his own home that's what happended to izoduwa but that doesnt still gives prove he is not a benin man his dressing has said he is a benin man not arab him wearing a white cloth and rounded coral bead and chains showing he was about to be killed a staff showing he has been treaking in the forest only these will tell u is a benin man

odigbosky:
Laudate whoever you are may Osanudazi bless you my bro.....I don't know why people like dragging us into their person issues. If the Igbos and the Afonjas have issues, why will they start throwing insults at the Oba of Benin, something no Edo person does. The last time during coronation when we where in a bus one igbo driver just made a remark about the Crown prince then who is now the Oba. it was the Edo man sitting at the front that slapped senses into him first before they forced him to park the bus. It was an uhrobo that was begging for him, he would have been lynched for making a remark that wasn't an insult but it just puts blame on the oba....What i want people who like insulting the Oba of Benin here should please stop it. We Edos won't do anything to bring insult to our monarch and we wont tolerate it....call our girls prostitutes, call us thieves, call us all sorts of name to derogate us we will swallow it and move on but never insult the Oba of Benin. Don't tell an Edo man that....Lahor


OBA gha to kpere......ISE!!!

Ise! Uwese! You are right. A lot of people just like provoking others for no just cause. Just ignore them my bro.' The Oba of Benin is too big to be ridiculed. And jesters like Layi Ajayi-Bembe who stoke the fires of controversy, should be treated as comedians. His IPOB supporters should jump into the lagoon, if they like. Who cares?

helpishere:

That number 2 point made all story about oduduwa fake. Did he fall from the sky like Satan did or Ufo plane dropped him using the chains since there were no parachute in those days. Laudate. The way you mediate in this matter makes me wonder what is really going on. The story about Lagos is being told by the Lagosians and not by us and we don't need to know Bembe'said igiogbe before we believe his story. I know of a carribean girl who wanted to go back to Africa because she wanted to know her roots. People are doing funny Stuff to get to know their roots while the ones who should ask questions about their origin are claiming super power. England colonised India and Pakistan and Nigeria and yet they were not more than 20m. I think our Oba should establish a commonwealth of Benin territories

Cut the crap. A Lagosian Yoruba man started a controversy, and your IPOB-Igbo jerks jumped on the bandwagon and used his comments to taunt the Yorubas and mock the Bini/Edo people, in order to create discord between them. The evidence is littered all over this thread. So who are you trying to patronise with your hypocritical statements? Abeg, swerve enter lagoon biko. Everyone can see right through your fake rhetoric. I am not even going to dignify any of your questions with an answer, because I am not going to be part of your pathetic attempts to play to the gallery.

Watching those who quoted me on 6D

gregyboy:


benin havnt lied at all far back then benin was so developed that they documented history through art thats how benin still got all the oba faces right from the ogisos to present era. and basic fact of oduduwa are still in benin musuem nd in the palace

for those who believed benin was speaking yoruba language in the olds i wonder how they think .benin was an empire who ruled so many ethnic group and spreaded most of thier words to those of his colonies same as the gods they worshipped

basic fact oduduwa was from benin not from mecca
1. he was dressed in white clothes hunged around is neck just like the late ovaramen hunged is on is neck

2. his beed on his neck was round just like the benin round beeds

3.the chains on his hands which shows he was about to be killed in his hometown

false stories about oduduwa which aint true due to scientific analysis

1.migration from mecca that so wrong during is migration he could have established other settlement along the way but it didnt because it is false story

2.descending from the sky that 100 percent myth even krishna the son of god had to come through a human no historians accept that unproven fact

3.distance from Mecca to ille ife is 1000 of miles which was never possible of him making the journey
to my conclusion the benins have a more valid history of oduduwa than the yorubas

I can see that you guys are so misled by false information given to you all. Funny thing is that Odu'a didn't come from Bini because I am his descendants. My ancestors worship what is called IRUNMOLÈ.....And your ogiso didn't have anything that is linked to any animals in your own account. So get it henceforth that Odu'a didn't come from Ogodomigodo.. Period. Do you even know the meaning of Adimlia /Adumunia, which was his name? So, forget your IDU's claim. Even archeology between ILE IFE and IDU/IBini,showed ILE IFE as being older... You are dealing with a man who knows his ancestors history.... Quit such notion of any link between Odu'a and BINI.

Olu317:
I can see that you guys are so misled by false information given to you all. Funny thing is that Odu'a didn't come from Bini because I am his descendants. My ancestors worship what is called IRUNMOLÈ.....And your ogiso didn't have anything that is linked to any animals in your own account. So get it henceforth that Odu'a didn't come from Ogodomigodo.. Period. Do you even know the meaning of Adimlia /Adumunia, which was his name? So, forget your IDU's claim. Even archeology between ILE IFE and IDU/IBini,showed ILE IFE as being older... You are dealing with a man who knows his ancestors history.... Quit such notion of any link between Odu'a and BINI.

prove this wrong if ure a true descendant of oduduwa and u dont believe ure from benin am sorry ure lost and nd u havnt fiund ur way but if you believe ur ancestors descended from heaven or treaked from mecca den ure foolish needs to be arrrested by the police

this is an image showing a rounded bead in his neck which the yorubas dont use only d benins it shows him tieing a white in his waist showing is also a benin what prove do you want no ones knows oduduwa in mecca

All these talk of Benin ancestor are indigenous to Lagos is a ploy by the Yoruba's to woo edo state in case of restructuring or Nigeria breakup. All the public display of Yoruba Edo marriages is part of the ploy

gregyboy:


yea ...i get ur point ikaladeran izoduwa known as oduduwa have so many songs sang of his journey to ile ife and he was about to be killed many bears is name in benin names like izoduwa,oduwa,osagieduwa and so on his name is been immortalised in streets in benin he was never a king in benin tho so more would have been documented about him .when you go to the benin musuem you will see other related iteams of him

oromiyan on the hand had a vast history because he strarted a new era he was the one who started the benin prince not seen his father till is death because he was never close to his son eweka .eweka was been trained by his grandfather and other noble chiefs he was only communicating with is dad through telegraphy stool which is still found in d museum uptill now

note: izoduwa wasnt a big figure in the benin history unlike how he is in yoruba land
we acknowledged oba ewuare 1 than him because he made benin what it is .the yoruba decided to document everything about izoduwa doesnt makes him not a benin man a wise mam once said a king isnt respected in his own home that's what happended to izoduwa but that doesnt still gives prove he is not a benin man his dressing has said he is a benin man not arab him

It's not even about ikaledehan or izoduwa as a person. It's about how this ikaledehan can be connected to Oduduwa. Have you ever wondered that they could be two different persons?

1.
Let's look at the name izoduwa- "path of success" as bini says it means. Oduduwa - principle of creation as Yoruba says it means. Clearly the two names don't correlate

2.
The name "oduduwa" is known in Bini. There are traditions and sayings using the name "Oduduwa" or "Oodua". Especially when talking about the Oba or Uhe(Ife)
In the Oba's oriki(The only person in Edo culture with oriki) he is called "ovi'oodua n'uhe" son of Oduduwa of Ife not son of Izoduwa, he is also called son of Adimula

How come bini have tradions of Adimula aka Oduduwa and only connect him with Ikaledehan through stories that are not backed by traditions?

wearing a white cloth and rounded coral bead and chains showing he was about to be killed a staff showing he has been treaking in the forest only these will tell u is a benin man

White clothes are sacred in Yoruba culture, Ife especially, it denotes oneness with the spirits, purity so to say. Yoruba traditionally practice a priest-king system and at that time it was even more serious with the likes of Obatala always wearing white, it became an Ife symbol of royalty and spirituality. So oduduwa wore white as well. Coral beads are Yorubawide accessories, long, short, round, straight all over yorubaland. And coral bead making was the profession of Oduduwa's wife. how does that connect oduduwa with Bini?

That staff is a King-priest staff that all 13 Obas before oduduwa carried. It has nothing to do with trekking from Bini. Also the statue of oduduwa you are making all this silly observations from is not imagined from his first time in Ife but long into his reign...you could clearly see the crown, couldn't you?


Do you know where Ooni of Ife goes to collect the crown of Oduduwa? Well...the makeshift, cause the real one was taken by Owa Idanre. That's the same place oduduwa's ancestral shrine is said to be.

Jacob Olupona wrote a book "City of 201 Gods" about Ife where he observed some of the rituals of Oduduwa, nothing about Bini. It is so localized that it is safe to assume oduduwa was of the very land

laudate:

Now you are talking again about the descendants of Olusegun Aganga. Wait first....Have they said anything to you, or made any claims to you? Again I need to ask......why bring them into this conversation? And why are you thriving on conjecture?

It appears you have some deep seated grudge against the man, or you envy him in some way. Tell us what your problem is, so that we can treat your case.

I fail to see why you keep dragging someone into a conversation, that has absolutely nothing to do with him or his descendants. Do you know him personally? Or did Aganga or his descendants trash your ancestors history online? Gosh!! If you must talk about someone making claims, why not talk about Layi Ajayi-Bembe, the old man who started the controversy about Benin-Yoruba claims over Lagos??

I know the history of my ancestors, and if anyone lied about it, I would simply tell him the truth and clear his misconceptions. I would point out the fallacies or inconsistencies in the erroneous accounts of those who try to write my ancestors history, from their own perspective.

The truth is that oral history cannot be studied in a rigid continuum. There are so many different perspectives of any particular event. Like Chimamanda Adichie said: "We remember differently." But the burden lies on those recounting such events, to do so in a way that is as factual as possible. Revisionists exist in every culture, and the only way to counter their assertions is to use the weapon of truth.

There are some people that can't be bothered with their ancestral history, because they have formed new identities for themselves, or have chosen to become citizens of other countries.

But the truth is that culture is dynamic. And there are so many factors that shape culture, languages, traditions and history, through the ages. One just needs to keep an open mind and document as much of it, as one can, in order to keep the records for posterity.

People can make claims irrespective of their migration pattern. They didn't say anything to me but I know exact spot Aganga claims today in Lagos. However, don't focus on Aganga as it is not the main issue at hand. If you have issue on Aganga, which I made as an example, then, you will have to dig deeper into different people that claim location in Lagos State. And it will be a distraction because you are over flogging that part of my reference. Using a figurative speech in this contexture was what I did and fact are all over the places to affirm to how people migrated in the recent past. Now, if you can defend your ancestors history, then you need not blame me because I am just doing that. Even, among certain Yoruba group,Odua was and is seen as a female deity. And the difference is that the warrior king called Adimlia/Adimunia/Adimula was referred to as Odu'a and in ILE IFE history, he was a prince man, from the East. I don't want to fix my attention on Odu'a because he is not the Lagos Island the Op was referring to to but Layi Ajayi Bembe. But to quickly end this so as to clarify that the Edo lied is the reason I have mentioned difference in our tradition, which isn't Odu'a. The tradition that linked Yoruba to BINI were all imported to BINI from ILE IFE. You claimed that the Edo too have their own account, what account can they have?

Tell your Edo people claiming Odu'a to tell me where in Edo /Ogodomigodo /IDU to come inform you an the rest readers, why Our panegyric is like this; OMO OKE, OMO EGÙN ,OMO A FI ADIÉ FUN FUN BORÈ. This is few out of the praise name of the ancient ancestors of Odu'a. Don't come and claim it is Yoruba because the lineage praise existed before the current and modern Yoruba language .Kindly inform the people you think has more stake in Odu'a than Yoruba to come tell us all, where in their community such people existed with that kind of panegyric, if they even have at all. What it means in EDO/IDU should be explained.


I remain my humble self; Emi omo Oke, Omo Ajamaiye , Omo Kare o ' Ba mi

gregyboy:


prove this wrong if ure a true descendant of oduduwa and u dont believe ure from benin am sorry ure lost and nd u havnt fiund ur way but if you believe ur ancestors descended from heaven or treaked from mecca den ure foolish needs to be arrrested by the police

this is an image showing a rounded bead in his neck which the yorubas dont use only d benins it shows him tieing a white in his waist showing is also a benin what prove do you want no ones knows oduduwa in mecca

You make me laugh my dear. If I am from Bini, I won't deny it BUT MY ANCESTORS WERE NOT FROM BINI or IGODOMIGODO that was older than BINI. The person you posted wasn't Odu'a but OONI LAFOGIDO,who was one of my ancestors......I didn't need to read the deepest part of the ritual offering of my ancestors like millions of you people do because I was INITIATED INTO IT long time ago .... YOu people dont know Naddah!

Olu317:
People can make claims irrespective of their migration pattern. They didn't say anything to me but I know exact spot Aganga claims today in Lagos. However, don't focus on Aganga as it is not the main issue at hand. If you have issue on Aganga, which I made as an example, then, you will have to dig deeper into different people that claim location in Lagos State. And it will be a distraction because you are over flogging that part of my reference. Using a figurative speech in this contexture was what I did and fact are all over the places to affirm to how people migrated in the recent past. Now, if you can defend your ancestors history, then you need not blame me because I am just doing that. Even, among certain Yoruba group,Odua was and is seen as a female deity. And the difference is that the warrior king called Adimlia/Adimunia/Adimula was referred to as Odu'a and in ILE IFE history, he was a prince man, from the East. I don't want to fix my attention on Odu'a because he is not the Lagos Island the Op was referring to to but Layi Ajayi Bembe. But to quickly end this so as to clarify that the Edo lied is the reason I have mentioned difference in our tradition, which isn't Odu'a. The tradition that linked Yoruba to BINI were all imported to BINI from ILE IFE. You claimed that the Edo too have their own account, what account can they have?

Tell your Edo people claiming Odu'a to tell me where in Edo /Ogodomigodo /IDU to come inform you an the rest readers, why Our panegyric is like this; OMO OKE, OMO EGÙN ,OMO A FI ADIÉ FUN FUN BORÈ. This is few out of the praise name of the ancient ancestors of Odu'a. Don't come and claim it is Yoruba because the lineage praise existed before the current and modern Yoruba language .Kindly inform the people you think has more stake in Odu'a than Yoruba to come tell us all, where in their community such people existed with that kind of panegyric, if they even have at all. What it means in EDO/IDU should be explained.

I remain my humble self; Emi omo Oke, Omo Ajamaiye , Omo Kare o ' Ba mi

Guy, since you claim to know the exact spot Aganga claims today in Lagos, kindly tell us. You are the one that first brought up his name into the conversation, and you are the one that keeps making unfounded allegations and bringing up his name in every subsequent response that you make. So do not accuse others of focusing on Aganga.

Layi Ajayi-Bembe that started the controversy seems to have escaped your notice, or are you deliberately keeping quiet about him? You ignored his allegations and decided to rope another man's name into your conversation, who was never part of the subject under discussion, in the first place!

As for the Bini/Edo people, they have recited their own history from their own perspective. They are not preventing you from reciting or documenting your own, and they have not insisted that you must adopt their own history as your own, or adhere to their own version of what took place in the lives of their ancestors.

Let every one share his own history, from his own perspective. Hopefully, one day seasoned academic scholars would be able to place the events within the right context in order to rigorously analyse the sequence of events that took place, with a view to placing them in the proper order.

Among certain Igbo groups for example, there are those who trace their origin or ancestry to the Igalas, while others trace their ancestry to the Bini/Edo. But within the ancestral accounts of the Igalas, you would not even find Igala history mentioning the fact that any of their sons or ancestors, established any Igbo community or group.

What am I saying? People recount their history from different perspectives. You have told everyone your own historical or ancestral origin and panegyrics. Leave others alone to tell theirs'. End of story.

laudate:


Guy, since you claim to know the exact spot Aganga claims today in Lagos, kindly tell us. You are the one that first brought up his name into the conversation, and you are the one that keeps making unfounded allegations and bringing up his name in every subsequent response that you make. So do not accuse others of focusing on Aganga.

Layi Ajayi-Bembe that started the controversy seems to have escaped your notice, or are you deliberately keeping quiet about him? You ignored his allegations and decided to rope another man's name into your conversation, who was never part of the subject under discussion, in the first place!

As for the Bini/Edo people, they have recited their own history from their own perspective. They are not preventing you from reciting or documenting your own, and they have not insisted that you must adopt their own history as your own, or adhere to their own version of what took place in the lives of their ancestors.

Let every one share his own history, from his own perspective. Hopefully, one day seasoned academic scholars would be able to place the events within the right context in order to rigorously analyse the sequence of events that took place, with a view to placing them in the right context.

Among certain Igbo groups for example, there are those who trace their origin or ancestry to the Igalas, while others trace their ancestry to the Bini/Edo. But within the ancestral accounts of the Igalas, you would not even find Igala history mentioning the fact that any of their sons or ancestors, established any Igbo community or group.

What am I saying? People recount their history from different perspectives. You have told everyone your own historical or ancestral origin and panegyrics. Leave others alone to tell theirs'. End of story.

IFAKO ,UNDER IFAKO-JAIYE AXIS ,is the location in Lagos. His surname will help you locate it. Then, if you claim I drag his name into it isn't a big because his name came up in my thought and that is it. And it won't be wrong to correct certain impression as this in the nearest future for people claiming all part they met people when they arrived . Furthermore, I have no problem with any one expressing their opinion but such Opinion must be corrected if it has to do with FACTS. ODU'A BELONGED TO YORUBA AND HIS SON ORANMYAN WAS THE CONNECTION TO IDU PEOPLE...... All other people can can discuss their own history but On Odu'a, TRUTH IS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD NEED TO KNOW. ADIMULIA /ADMLIA, THE MAN WHO WORSHIP IRÈ.THE MAN WHO USED WHITE PIGEON /DOVE /COCKEREL TO APPEASE GOD FOR SIN CLEANSING — IRUMOLE WORSHIPPER AND THE SON OF GOD... No idu have this peculiar account.

Olu317:
IFAKO ,UNDER IFAKO-JAIYE AXIS ,is the location. His surname will help you locate it. Then, if you claim I drag his name into it isn't a big because his name came up in my thought and that is it. And it won't be wrong to correct certain impression as this in the nearest future for people claiming all part they met people when they arrived . Furthermore, I have no problem with any one expressing their opinion but such Opinion must be corrected if it has to do with FACTS. ODU'A BELONGED TO YORUBA AND HIS SON ORANMYAN WAS THE CONNECTION TO IDU PEOPLE...... All other people can can discuss their own history but On Odu'a, TRUTH IS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD NEED TO KNOW. ADIMULIA /ADMLIA, THE MAN WHO WORSHIP IRÈ.THE MAN WHO USE WHITE PIGEON /DOVE /COCKEREL TO APPEASE GOD FOR SIN CLEANSING — IRUMOLE WORSHIPPER AND THE SON OF GOD... No idu have this peculiar account.

Ifako under Ifako- Ijaiye is whose location? Why are you making all these fake allegations, without any proof to back it up? I thought only women spread gossip anyhow, but obviously your case is different.

As for your idu or panegyrics or incantations, Oga you ate free to keep and recite them. Do whatever rocks your boat, and leave others to recite or recount their ancestral lineage and panegyrics, too. End of story.

laudate:

Ifako under Ifako- Ijaiye is whose location? Why are you making all these fake allegations, without any proof to back it up? I thought only women spread gossip anyhow, but obviously your case is different.

As for your idu or panegyrics or incantations, Oga you ate free to keep and recite them. Do whatever rocks your boat, and leave others to recite or recount their ancestral lineage and panegyrics, too. End of story.

Since you are not conversant with the location, then, you need to do your research if you don't know. The location is easy to know for those who lives or lived in that territorial part of Lagos. Lastly, you kept regurgitating same perspective based on your emotional attachment to concocted LIES. So, it is perfect for me to see you and the likes to continue in such direction. However, the few info I have given is for the millions of people that will come across this part of information, which OUTRIGHTLY NULLIFY LIES PEDDLED BY PAPER HISTORIANS FROM EDO.



c'est fini mon ami

Olu317:
Since you are not conversant with the location, then, you need to do your research if you don't know. The location is easy to know for those who lives or lived in that territorial part of Lagos. Lastly, you kept regurgitating same perspective based on your emotional attachment to concocted LIES. So, it is perfect for me to see you and the likes to continue in such direction. However, the few info I have given is for the millions of people that will come across this part of information, which OUTRIGHTLY NULLIFY LIES PEDDLED BY PAPER HISTORIANS FROM EDO.

c'est fini mon ami

Oga, you are the only liar here. Everyone can see it. You were the first person to drag another man's name into this conversation, when he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Next, you mentioned his descendants, even though they had never made any assertions or claims to you. Now, you claimed he had something to do with Ifako-Ijaiye. Where is your proof? Must you peddle lies and deceit?

Why don't you face Layi Ajayi-Bembe who was the one who actually started the controversy? Why are you pretending not to notice his antics? Instead, you are calling out someone else who is totally unrelated to the subject at hand.

Are you done reciting your panegyrics and idu? Abeg, face your own calabash and stop digressing unnecessarily. Leave Edo people to recite their own ancestral lineage. Nobody is compelling you to accept their own story. Tell your own ancestral history, and leave others to state their own too, in peace!

macof:


It's not even about ikaledehan or izoduwa as a person. It's about how this ikaledehan can be connected to Oduduwa. Have you ever wondered that they could be two different persons?

1.
Let's look at the name izoduwa- "path of success" as bini says it means. Oduduwa - principle of creation as Yoruba says it means. Clearly the two names don't correlate

2.
The name "oduduwa" is known in Bini. There are traditions and sayings using the name "Oduduwa" or "Oodua". Especially when talking about the Oba or Uhe(Ife)
In the Oba's oriki(The only person in Edo culture with oriki) he is called "ovi'oodua n'uhe" son of Oduduwa of Ife not son of Izoduwa, he is also called son of Adimula

How come bini have tradions of Adimula aka Oduduwa and only connect him with Ikaledehan through stories that are not backed by traditions?



White clothes are sacred in Yoruba culture, Ife especially, it denotes oneness with the spirits, purity so to say. Yoruba traditionally practice a priest-king system and at that time it was even more serious with the likes of Obatala always wearing white, it became an Ife symbol of royalty and spirituality. So oduduwa wore white as well. Coral beads are Yorubawide accessories, long, short, round, straight all over yorubaland. And coral bead making was the profession of Oduduwa's wife. how does that connect oduduwa with Bini?

That staff is a King-priest staff that all 13 Obas before oduduwa carried. It has nothing to do with trekking from Bini. Also the statue of oduduwa you are making all this silly observations from is not imagined from his first time in Ife but long into his reign...you could clearly see the crown, couldn't you?


Do you know where Ooni of Ife goes to collect the crown of Oduduwa? Well...the makeshift, cause the real one was taken by Owa Idanre. That's the same place oduduwa's ancestral shrine is said to be.

Jacob Olupona wrote a book "City of 201 Gods" about Ife where he observed some of the rituals of Oduduwa, nothing about Bini. It is so localized that it is safe to assume oduduwa was of the very land

u make me laff lets take it scientifical historically on this ur quote

white clothes and beads was never in yoruba land b4 the british came as well as wearing clothes these are present adaptating in the 17 and 18century when yorubas encountered the white men who then brought clothes for the yorubas all your ancestors where naked b4 precolonial era unlike the hausas and fulani who LovePeddler clothes to cover thier bodies due to thier religion

back to the benins. the benis where also naked before the encountered the poutuguese in the 14c as a matter of fact tue portuguese brought the white linean to the benin as well as coral bead which was gotten by the portuguese while sailining the coast we traded pepper and rubber as well as non indigenous slaves to the portuguese in return of clothes and guns
thats why you see the benins chiefs clothing like that of a priest

scientifically izoduwa was born centuries afer the Portuguese visit to the benins who got to wear the benin regalia as a prince that is a white clothe and a red round bead and which we know the yorubas dont wear round beads and not even red beads to start with

obatala is joke story a person who is not even revered in yorubas history his story is only brought up to propagate controversy scientifically that is nothing like obatala that his joke story inshort youruba stories as whole is full of lies

a yoruba stories says obatala is the elder brother of oduduwa who was drunk and oduduwa took advantage and became king instead of him

anoda account says he was the first yoruba king who ruled and oduduwa came centuries later

do u know what science will say about obatala he never existed and even if he existed he didnt come from sky and didnt wear white clothes so you dont know ur ancestors you just paste what your father told you in your skull

even benin has a myth of creation smilar to the yorubas but it is dicarded because therw is no scientific back and to tell you the first ruler ogiso who came from was also said that he whor white clothes like that of obatala but we all know is all a myth so we dont add it to history and i believe it was the benin son who took story of creation to ile ife and yoruba adopted it like Christians adopted the story of creation from the biblr

laudate:

Oga, you are the only liar here. Everyone can see it. You were the first person to drag another man's name into this conversation, when he had absolutely nothing to do with it. Next, you mentioned his descendants, even though they had never made any assertions or claims to you. Now, you claimed he had something to do with Ifako-Ijaiye. Where is your proof? Must you peddle lies and deceit?

Why don't you face Layi Ajayi-Bembe who was the one who actually started the controversy? Why are you pretending not to notice his antics? Instead, you are calling out someone else who is totally unrelated to the subject at hand.

Are you done reciting your panegyrics and idu? Abeg, face your own calabash and stop digressing unnecessarily. Leave Edo people to recite their own ancestral lineage. Nobody is compelling you to accept their own story. Tell your own ancestral history, and leave others to state their own too, in peace!

What lie? Point it out,please... I mock at your ignorance. OK,enjoy the tale by the moon light from the land of ogodomigodo. The people associated with red colour. It is even a shame that Yoruba change the named of IDU to BINI. If it pains you that my ancestry isn't Edo, then that's your cup of tea.. Can't stop laughing!!!!

gregyboy:


u make me laff lets take it scientifical historically on this ur quote

white clothes and beads was never in yoruba land b4 the british came as well as wearing clothes these are present adaptating in the 17 and 18century when yorubas encountered the white men who then brought clothes for the yorubas all your ancestors where naked b4 precolonial era unlike the hausas and fulani who LovePeddler clothes to cover thier bodies due to thier religion

back to the benins. the benis where also naked before the encountered the poutuguese in the 14c as a matter of fact tue portuguese brought the white linean to the benin as well as coral bead which was gotten by the portuguese while sailining the coast we traded pepper and rubber as well as non indigenous slaves to the portuguese in return of clothes and guns
thats why you see the benins chiefs clothing like that of a priest

scientifically izoduwa was born centuries afer the Portuguese visit to the benins who got to wear the benin regalia as a prince that is a white clothe and a red round bead and which we know the yorubas dont wear round beads and not even red beads to start with

obatala is joke story a person who is not even revered in yorubas history his story is only brought up to propagate controversy scientifically that is nothing like obatala that his joke story inshort youruba stories as whole is full of lies

a yoruba stories says obatala is the elder brother of oduduwa who was drunk and oduduwa took advantage and became king instead of him

anoda account says he was the first yoruba king who ruled and oduduwa came centuries later

do u know what science will say about obatala he never existed and even if he existed he didnt come from sky and didnt wear white clothes so you dont know ur ancestors you just paste what your father told you in your skull

even benin has a myth of creation smilar to the yorubas but it is dicarded because therw is no scientific back and to tell you the first ruler ogiso who came from was also said that he whor white clothes like that of obatala but we all know is all a myth so we dont add it to history and i believe it was the benin son who took story of creation to ile ife and yoruba adopted it like Christians adopted the story of creation from the biblr

I stopped reading where you said Yorubas didn't wear clothes until the Europeans.

Smh. I thought you were a human being worth a decent conversation on History. If you don't even know the Yorubas have had a booming clothing industry how can you understand basic principle of African historical research?

gregyboy:


u make me laff lets take it scientifical historically on this ur quote

white clothes and beads was never in yoruba land b4 the british came as well as wearing clothes these are present adaptating in the 17 and 18century when yorubas encountered the white men who then brought clothes for the yorubas all your ancestors where naked b4 precolonial era unlike the hausas and fulani who LovePeddler clothes to cover thier bodies due to thier religion

back to the benins. the benis where also naked before the encountered the poutuguese in the 14c as a matter of fact tue portuguese brought the white linean to the benin as well as coral bead which was gotten by the portuguese while sailining the coast we traded pepper and rubber as well as non indigenous slaves to the portuguese in return of clothes and guns
thats why you see the benins chiefs clothing like that of a priest

scientifically izoduwa was born centuries afer the Portuguese visit to the benins who got to wear the benin regalia as a prince that is a white clothe and a red round bead and which we know the yorubas dont wear round beads and not even red beads to start with

obatala is joke story a person who is not even revered in yorubas history his story is only brought up to propagate controversy scientifically that is nothing like obatala that his joke story inshort youruba stories as whole is full of lies

a yoruba stories says obatala is the elder brother of oduduwa who was drunk and oduduwa took advantage and became king instead of him

anoda account says he was the first yoruba king who ruled and oduduwa came centuries later

do u know what science will say about obatala he never existed and even if he existed he didnt come from sky and didnt wear white clothes so you dont know ur ancestors you just paste what your father told you in your skull

even benin has a myth of creation smilar to the yorubas but it is dicarded because therw is no scientific back and to tell you the first ruler ogiso who came from was also said that he whor white clothes like that of obatala but we all know is all a myth so we dont add it to history and i believe it was the benin son who took story of creation to ile ife and yoruba adopted it like Christians adopted the story of creation from the biblr

Smh. I stopped reading where you said Yorubas didn't wear clothes until the Europeans. I know everything after that just like everything you have posted before that will be bullshit and I'm tired of seeing Africans so stupid, talking in fields they know nothing about

I thought you were a human being worth a decent conversation on History. If you don't even know the Yorubas have had a booming clothing industry how can you understand basic principle of African historical research?

Olu317:
What lie? Point it out,please... I mock at your ignorance. OK,enjoy the tale by the moon light from the land of ogodomigodo. The people associated with red colour. It is even a shame that Yoruba change the named of IDU to BINI. If it pains you that my ancestry isn't Edo, then that's your cup of tea.. Can't stop laughing!!!!

The lies you have told against other people, are so obvious. Just take look at your previous posts, and check the allegations you made against innocent citizens and their descendants. Am not bothered about your ancestry, as I have nothing but respect for Yoruba people. I am just concerned that you want to force your own narrative on others, instead of letting everyone tell their ancestral history, the best way they understand it. Like I said before: tell your own history and let others recite their own, too. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? And if you think that you are mocking anyone's ignorance, you are mistaken. You are only exposing your own intolerance and lack of objectivity.

laudate:

The lies you have told against other people, are so obvious. Just take look at your previous posts, and check the allegations you made against innocent citizens and their descendants. Am not bothered about your ancestry, as I have nothing but respect for Yoruba people. I am just concerned that you want to force your own narrative on others, instead of letting everyone tell their ancestral history, the best way they understand it. Like I said before: tell your own history and let others recite their own, too. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? And if you think that you are mocking anyone's ignorance, you are mistaken. You are only exposing your own intolerance and lack of objectivity.

You are the one that sees it like that because it seems you are in support of the falsified lies that even an innocent heart can easily be confused to believe that their Ikarlehedan or izoduwa came to ILE IFE and founded anew dynasty that came from IDU. The truth is that if I am from that lineage called IDU, it won't be a problem at all but we are not . But the truth is the truth even if you as a person want them to tell a FABLED STORY FROM WHEREVER THEY GOT IT. I have no problem with ordinary Edo chaps, irrespective where such comes from but DISTORTION OF MY ANCESTRY, I WILL NEVER TAKE SUCH LIKELY. Let them restrict their storyline to OGISO, OGIEMEN, and not Olofin adimlia/Adimunia. Odu'a never descended from people who bore mark on their body in the ancient time. The burial site observed and researched at ILE IFE by Suzan Blair , which is also support that Odu'a lineage have a sign of diadem circle on their burial sites... Do they have such in IDU? I don't hate Edo people but let them tell a true story of whatever happened to their dead IZODUWA, who died in a village that is not too far from lgodomigodo after many years over there. You may not like my perspective and genuine information but it is the TRUTH as it regard my ancestral worshipping.. The truth is bitter.

Olu317:
You are the one that sees it like that because it seems you are in support of the falsified lies that even an innocent heart can easily be confused to believe that their Ikarlehedan or izoduwa came to ILE IFE and founded anew dynasty that came from IDU. The truth is that if I am from that lineage called IDU, it won't be a problem at all but we are not . But the truth is the truth even if you as a person want them to tell a FABLED STORY FROM WHEREVER THEY GOT IT. I have no problem with ordinary Edo chaps, irrespective where such comes from but DISTORTION OF MY ANCESTRY, I WILL NEVER TAKE SUCH LIKELY. Let them restrict their storyline to OGISO, OGIEMEN, and not Olofin adimlia/Adimunia. Odu'a never descended from people who bore mark on their body in the ancient time. The burial site observed and researched at ILE IFE by Suzan Blair , which is also support that Odu'a lineage have a sign of diadem circle on their burial sites... Do they have such in IDU? I don't hate Edo people but let them tell a true story of whatever happened to their dead IZODUWA, who died in a village that is not too far from lgodomigodo after many years over there. You may not like my perspective and genuine information but it is the TRUTH as it regard my ancestral worshipping.. The truth is bitter.

You are still here belly-aching? The day you decide to make sense, then you can call me...for now, please go and lament in your little corner, since you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

laudate:

You are still here belly-aching? The day you decide to make sense, then you can call me...for now, please go and lament in your little corner, since you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Make sense to you ? What sense do I need to instil into you so that you can learn to accept truth from ILE IFE and the man's descendants? What digression again? OK! Do BINI prince or king bear Ologun? The descendants of Ologun kutere is the ruling house of iduganran /Obun Eko. Show me names associated with them that is of Edo ancestry. Ponder over this as long as any story of EKO ILE is concerned. And on Odu'a, you have no goddamned fact but opinion, which is understandable but kindly keep it to yourself because it holds no water.

Olu317:
Make sense to you ? What sense do I need to instil into you so that you can learn to accept truth from ILE IFE and the man's descendants? What digression again? OK! Do BINI prince or king bear Ologun? The descendants of Ologun kutere is the ruling house of iduganran /Obun Eko. Show me names associated with them that is of Edo ancestry. Ponder over this as long as any story of EKO ILE is concerned. And on Odu'a, you have no goddamned fact but opinion, which is understandable but kindly keep it to yourself because it holds no water.

Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Oya, have the floor and continue wailing. I have never expressed an opinion about Odua, so what are you going on about?

laudate:


Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Oya, have the floor and continue wailing. I have never expressed an opinion about Odua, so what are you going on about?

Go ahead and showcase Your Own ancestral lineage or tribe. Perhaps, you will b the one to show your talent. What concerns me if IDU descended from sky or Igala from Nok or wherever anyone chooses to identify with? If anyone wants to to identify with Yoruba ancestors, so be it but drag my ancestors not into it. Edo who have intermarried in Lagos,Ekiti or anywhere in Yoruba land can so choose to come forth and be proud of it as I am proud of my Race. Yoruba don't distort history but dem dem do. Furthermore , you drag yourself into this which resulted into Odu'a issue,have you forgotten? And because you assumed the position of a good sympathizer, which seems very wrong because you are not informed as to the reasons for my opinion and you have Learned either you like it or not as it stand. And if you disagree as I can perceive until I am proven otherwise,at least others have learnt too. Perhaps, you can do DNA to verify if you are Yoruba descendant too. Who knows?

Olu317:
Go ahead and showcase Your Own ancestral lineage or tribe. Perhaps, you will b the one to show your talent. What concerns me if IDU descended from sky or Igala from Nok or wherever anyone chooses to identify with? If anyone wants to to identify with Yoruba ancestors, so be it but drag my ancestors not into it. Edo who have intermarried in Lagos,Ekiti or anywhere in Yoruba land can so choose to come forth and be proud of it as I am proud of my Race. Yoruba don't distort history but dem dem do. Furthermore , you drag yourself into this which resulted into Odu'a issue,have you forgotten? And because you assumed the position of a good sympathizer, which seems very wrong because you are not informed as to the reasons for my opinion and you have Learned either you like it or not as it stand. And if you disagree as I can perceive until I am proven otherwise,at least others have learnt too. Perhaps, you can do DNA to verify if you are Yoruba descendant too. Who knows?

I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

laudate:

I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You are the one that need relevance! Of course I don't. I came online here to silence LIARS and paper researchers of your likes. Long epistles indeed? Are you so damn ashamed to write about your IGALA ANCESTRY or where ?Come up and be bold about it. On my information, is to correct anomaly as it regard Yorubas history,which is perfectly NORMAL. Kindly do that about Your history too if need be. I wish you knew how hard I have been laughing at your Town Crier's attitude. Proudly Yoruba. And you are proudly who?

Oloripelebe:
Thesame way Onitsha belongs to bini according to Nnamdi Azikwe

^^^^^^
^^^^^^


75 likes ll 8 shares on thread page 1
as of November 25, 2017!


Bini Royal Rivalry =>Ikhime [corrupted to Chime or Chima] => Onitsha Ado N'idu
People


Implications: Nnamdi Azikiwe is of
Bini Royal origin dating back to his
ancestors in the 1550s. The Ezearoli
lineage of Onitsha or Onicha!


There is also Igala and Nri migrational influence
among some of the 9 quarters in Onitsha
NOT only Bini influences.

~~~~~
On the other hand Chief Olayiwola
Ajayi-Bembe was rambling and contradicting himself in that Punch
interview of page 7, November 19, 2017 by referring to himself
as an Awori and then later referring to himself
as a Bini NOT Yoruba. In reality, Ajayi-Bembe has Yoruba and Bini ancestries
with the Yoruba ancestry probably being
more dominant! I think he might be
experiencing some AGE-RELATED mental
tension as a result of the ramblings


On page 6 of the same newspaper, Alhaji
Femi Okunu who is also from Lagos
Island LUCIDLY and correctly said "Lagos Island is owned by the Aworis" while also talking
about the small migration of some Tapa or
Nupe in the 1800s who had married and blended into
the Yoruba owners of the land.
They introduced the Igunuku into Lagos
Island. Sango's mother [Yemoja] was a
Tapa or Nupe so no big deal because she
is revered in Yorubaland and in the Diaspora populations in Brazil, Cuba, Haiti, USA, etc.


In reality, Aworis are Yoruba from
Ife - The children of Olofin, and they are the real
owners of Lagos Island and Lagos Mainland with the exception of
the Ijebu LGAs in Lagos state of Ikorodu,
Epe, and Ibeju-Lekki LGAs. Aworis inhabit
Badagry LGA along with the Ogu [Egun]
who are of mixed/blended Yoruba and Fon ethnicities.

The white cap chiefs of Lagos Island
are descended from the children
of Olofin who own Ido Island and Eko.
Eko was used for settlement and farming
by the Awori-Yoruba before the arrival
of the Bini who came in peacefully at first.
Eko means FARM [shorterned from EREKOSI which means Pepper Farm in
Awori dialect] not war camp like is
dubiously seen in Wikipedia as propaganda.


All the best!

laudate:

I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You re the one that seek relevance, I don't. Just like any other Yoruba man will do once he is opportune to do so. I dare you to mention a portion where I acted like you by poking into things naturally not as deeply of your concern. I do justice to issue related to my tribe mostly. And pass out information if I have fact on my care,even if I have personal opinion, which is normal to any human being. You are

laudate:

I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You re the one that seek relevance, I don't. Just like any other Yoruba man will do once he is opportune to do so. I dare you to mention a portion where I acted like you by poking into things naturally not as deeply of your concern. I do justice to issue related to my tribe mostly. And pass out information if I have fact on my care,even if I have personal opinion, which is normal to any human being. You are the one with ego my friend because YOU ARE NOT EVEN BINI. What concerns you? Lastly, if Ooni can correct anomalies in the past in Yoruba land ,why wouldn't any Yoruba man stop distortion. Even Present Ooni Ogunwusi countered Oba BINI on who Odu'a personality was before he was rightly told by the kingmakers to ignored Oba BINI on such matters. Since you have decided to show case your talent here, then you must be very deep with history .Kindly be proud of your identity because it is self dignifying. Please show your talent by letting us know you if you are conversant with others history. Lastly, I have made my point, so enjoy the bitter truth....Bon weekend. Proudly Yoruba

laudate:

I know my ancestry and I do not need to write long epistles to prove it to anyone, neither do I need to wail about it, like you have been doing on this thread. Like I said before: "Let every ethnic group tell their own ancestral history from their perspective, as they understand it. Don't force your own narratives on others."

Only goodness knows why such a simple fact, is so difficult for you to comprehend. Oya, continue ..... cry me a river. Wail some more!

You re the one that seek relevance, I don't. Just like any other Yoruba man will do once he is opportune to do so. I dare you to mention a portion where I acted like you by poking into things naturally not as deeply of your concern. I do justice to issue related to my tribe mostly. And pass out information if I have fact on my care,even if I have personal opinion, which is normal to any human being. You are the one with ego my friend because YOU ARE NOT EVEN BINI. What concerns you? Lastly, if Ooni can correct anomalies in the past in Yoruba land ,why wouldn't any Yoruba man stop distortion. Even Present Ooni Ogunwusi countered Oba BINI on who Odu'a personality was before he was rightly told by the kingmakers to ignored Oba BINI on such matters. Since you have decided to show case your talent here, then you must be very deep with history .Kindly be proud of your identity because it is self dignifying. Please show your talent by letting us know you if you are conversant with others history. Lastly, I have made my point, so enjoy the bitter truth....Bon weekend. Proudly Yoruba

gregyboy:


yea ...i get ur point ikaladeran izoduwa known as oduduwa have so many songs sang of his journey to ile ife and he was about to be killed many bears is name in benin names like izoduwa,oduwa,osagieduwa and so on his name is been immortalised in streets in benin he was never a king in benin tho so more would have been documented about him .when you go to the benin musuem you will see other related iteams of him

oromiyan on the hand had a vast history because he strarted a new era he was the one who started the benin prince not seen his father till is death because he was never close to his son eweka .eweka was been trained by his grandfather and other noble chiefs he was only communicating with is dad through telegraphy stool which is still found in d museum uptill now

note: izoduwa wasnt a big figure in the benin history unlike how he is in yoruba land
we acknowledged oba ewuare 1 than him because he made benin what it is .the yoruba decided to document everything about izoduwa doesnt makes him not a benin man a wise mam once said a king isnt respected in his own home that's what happended to izoduwa but that doesnt still gives prove he is not a benin man his dressing has said he is a benin man not arab him wearing a white cloth and rounded coral bead and chains showing he was about to be killed a staff showing he has been treaking in the forest only these will tell u is a benin man

u try