Na Money That Man Need, Nairaland Should Also Take Note That This An Old News, It Happened Since Last 3 Weeks.. Am Surprice Seeing It Here This Evening.

labi1977:
Note, U can tell most supporters r likely from his region. 2 songs with the name John does not instantly mean piracy. The songs r mostly different. Like many, VU fame has faded mostly, most of us don't no him well, at all. It's life.

Obviously you don't know VICTOR UWAIFO...that man was commissioner of arts and culture just recently in Edo state, what other fame are you talking about and who Simi again?

sisipelebe:
Baba park well abeg, was it because they used the same title of there song as yours? The lyrics, the concept, style are totaly different from yours. That of simi is just exceptional.

You are bloody rude

Tolexander:
Baba, your "Joromi" and Simi's "Joromi" are two different songs and genres. Though of the same title.

You are extremely wrong on this.

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sisipelebe:
Baba park well abeg, was it because they used the same title of there song as yours? The lyrics, the concept, style are totaly different from yours. That of simi is just exceptional.

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Chukazu:


Why don't we wait for SIMI to come forward and allay the claims that she didn't infringe ...I double dare her!

Song titles are not copyrighted, because the origin are not sufficient.

If the title of the song "Joromi" was invented by Uwaifo and made it popular then he can claim copyright but from what I know the word Joromi was not invented by him, I think.

CaptainFM1:
Shut the Bleep up, old man. You need to know the Legitimate use of any part of a song before you can conclude they've infringe on your copyright.

The word Joromi in all the songs refers to someone, as it's a name of a person. You can only prove infringement if substantial part of the songs are matched lyrically, in tunes, in sounds, in beats and even dance-step. And I think by standard copyright law, it's a measure of about 10%.

Do you know how many times Dangote, Otedola, Omotola, Genevieve, Folake etc has been mentioned in various songs? Why are they not complaining of infringement?

The answer is simply because no one can lay singular right on such names. Not Even Dangote or Obama can lay singular ownership to their own names. Unless you can proof that substantial part of your songs has been copied, lyrically, composition, tunes, sounds and beats etc. There's no copyright infringement whatsoever. The word Joromi in all the songs is for GENERIC use, including yours.

You got it twisted bro.
There's a huge difference between mentioning popular people's name on song lyrics and "using a catchy line of someone's old song."
The word JOROMI is a "PSEUDONYM" obviously invented by SIR UWAIFO and SIMI can not deny the knowledge of such except she wants to play dump

yhemster:


Same reason Robin thicke lost the case is a similar reason the old man will win. My argument isn't abt the name "Joromi" . Listen to Simi's version, you'll hear the baba's musical notes repeated severally. Its sounds kinda like "ta la ta la ta" coming from a piano or guitar not very sure

Can you give us the tonic sofa of both songs and show if there is a similarity in notes?
The songs differ in time signature, lyrics, note and genre. The only similarity is the word joromi that was nor even invented by the legend. That you popularise an existing word doesn't give you any right to it. You can't patent what has been existing.

tintingz:
Song titles are not copyrighted, because the origin are not sufficient.

If the title of the song "Joromi" was invented by Uwaifo and made it popular then he can claim copyright but from what I know the word Joromi was not invented by him, I think

You still thinking...

Ishilove:

Indomie generation. When you tell them to get off Nairaland and go read, to broaden their knowledge, they will start cussing you, revelling in their ignorance with unapologetic glee.

Ishilove, I disagree with you. Get off Nairalander to go and read?? Read what?? For your information, Nairaland is a book on its own, what I have gained here can't be overemphasized. From health to books to what have you, infact I don't want to delve into counting because day go break. I'm particularly surprised this statement is coming from you sha

Chukazu:


You still thinking...

Because the origin of the word "joromi" is not sufficient, I can't make claims on what I don't have sufficient knowledge of but what I know for sure is Joromi is a fashion and tale popularly known in old days.

Chukazu:


Obviously you don't know VICTOR UWAIFO...that man was commissioner of arts and culture just recently in Edo state, what other fame are you talking about and who Simi again?

Get updated, we're not living in past. VU is an icon but his day is mostly gone, just life, I really don't even no wat his version means.

Btw baba is too big for such beef anyway n Shud have ignored such minor similarities.

I've Neva been his fan so maybe I Shud luk him up. Bye.

PVision2020:

Can you give us the tonic sofa of both songs and show if there is a similarity in notes?
The songs differ in time signature, lyrics, note and genre. The only similarity is the word joromi that was nor even invented by the legend. That you popularise an existing word doesn't give you any right to it. You can't patent what has been existing.

Thank you for the bolded.

Cc Chukazu.

PVision2020:

Can you give us the tonic sofa of both songs and show if there is a similarity in notes?
The songs differ in time signature, lyrics, note and genre. The only similarity is the word joromi that was nor even invented by the legend. That you popularise an existing word doesn't give you any right to it. You can't patent what has been existing.

Go and listen to the songs again on good speaker/headset. The particular tones I'm talking is main on the old man's tune bt it's on the background tone on Simi's tune.
Anyway, enough of panadol on this matter. The old man gave them a pass so, I rest my case too.

yhemster:


Go and listen to the song again on good speaker/headset. The particular tones I'm talking is main on the old man's tune bt it's on the background tone on Simi's tune.
Anyway, enough of panadol on this matter. The old man gave them a pass so, I rest my case too.

Lol tones can be confusing. Just score the song (the baseline, the keyboard and strings) and your will know it has no similarity in note.
Enough said, do have a lovely nite.

Ishilove:
This man is truly a living legend. He probably doesn't want to drag issues with people young enough to be his grandchildren, but notwithstanding, these young thieves need to understand that piracy is a very serious offense.

Simi, take note

quiet! he wasn't the original owner of that song, he copied his work from herbert (forgt is surname) from imo state, he changed the title (including the language but the same beat). the band released the song before the civil war. I will research more on this...have forgotten the full details.

kelvinreality:
When did Simi remix your own version of "Joromi".

The title of your song was similar but the content was different.

If he invented that word and used it first, similar need needs his permission even it is just the title. 50cent had to change the title of his movie to " all things fall apart " when he did not get permission to use things fall apart

cyberguy72:
uwaifo shld go to hell.2 Totally different songs.BECOS THE SONG DON BLOW YOU WANT TO REAP WHERE YOU DID NOT SOW

Is this how you insult all your elders at home bro ?

martineverest:
Just look at the first 10 comments.... Nigeria youth are just empty headed

And this is just a music discussion thread , imagine a politics or religious thread with these same set of people ...

tintingz:
Using a title of someone's song is not under any copyright especially when the author is not the inventor of the name and the origin is not sufficient, using the beat, sound and lyrics is what can be said to be copyrighted.

In law I think there is years duration to a songs which can be said not to require permission or license , Yes Simi and Jaywon need to require permission if they want to sing Sir Uwaifo version of the song.

And simi and jaywon joromi song is not any close to victor uwaifo joromi song to even call it a remix, the song I can call a remix is (DJ khaleed, Rihana song - wild thought).

The only way he could win the case is using the popularity of the song sang by him to claim copyright which is just 10-15% chance.

You can use a song without permission 50 years after the death of the Artist. That's according to US copyright laws. I don't know what the Nigeria law states

Copyright don't cover things such as names but it does cover ideas which can be very broad in copyright parlance, beats, tunes , rhythm and everything in between. And I can tell you....Rhythm is everything and that's where Simi's would be found. The way you pronounce a word can be copyrighted and even if you used another word in it's stead that is similar and pronounced the same way. You have infringed on the copyright of the original owner.


For example

If I shouted in my song "break break break it" then whitsle and you did the same but with the words "Drake Drake Drake it" then whitsle. It can be classified as infringing on my copyright because it is an idea of mine. I can give you tons of examples of this where it was rules as an infirgenent and the artist were required to pay royalties or drop the music from the market and stop all promotional sales. So just imagine that and now consider what Simi did.


Even funny is cases where Artists under a label sold their copyrights to a particular music to a record label and after sometime they leave the label. The copyright law states they can never ever make a song that sounds like anything they ever made when the copyright to such is held by someone else. There are may examples where Artists had to buy back their copyrights to be able to even sing their own songs. Sunny Ade was in such a mess sometime back.


I can assure you if Uwaifor should pursue this and his lawyers do their homework he would win it 100%.

A careful listening of both would show you Simi's own did infact sounded exactly like his at some point. Do a karaoke of both and start from there. You don't even need to listen to the lyrics to find such.

where did one appear from? Simi didn't remix your song abeg, I have heard your own Joromi and its boring and makes no sense. when I heard Simi's song Joromi I just loved it instantly. Your own Joromi and Simi's own are not the same so go and sleep Oga. you should even be happy she used the title of your song

If Simi could have copied "Aimasiko" from Ebenezer Obey in both song title and chorus lyrics, I can't be convinced she did not (stylishly) copied "Joromi".

Babe is good, but she need tread carefully with remixing songs.

What are Nigerians saying sef... That song was another different genre and had nothing to do with Victor Uwaifo's. Those shouting plagiarism, plagiarism has to do with content and not titles. I adored the man but if he really said this, he then is becoming too old. Nice song form Simi jare..

Tolexander:
Baba, your "Joromi" and Simi's "Joromi" are two different songs and genres. Though of the same title.

weda the joromi are both different, victor owaifo brought that word so dats settle the case

He has said it all

onegig:


You can use a song without permission 50 years after the death of the Artist. That's according to US copyright laws. I don't know what the Nigeria law states

I have modified my post, go back and read it.

Copyright don't cover things such as names but it does cover ideas which can be very broad in copyright parlance, beats, tunes , rhythm and everything in between. And I can tell you....Rhythm is everything and that's where Simi's would be found. The way you pronounce a word can be copyrighted and even if you used another word in it's stead that is similar and pronounced the same way. You have infringed on the copyright of the original owner.


For example

If I shouted in my song "break break break it" then whitsle and you did the same but with the words "Drake Drake Drake it" then whitsle. It can be classified as infringing on my copyright because it is an idea of mine. I can give you tons of examples of this where it was rules as an infirgenent and the artist were required to pay royalties or drop the music from the market and stop all promotional sales. So just imagine that and now consider what Simi did.

Well you maybe right here but Simi's joromi song and Uwaifo's joromi song are soundly different.

Simi's song,

I dey give you signal (joromi)
Why you no dey see me ah (joromi)
I give you green light tire (joromi Joro)
Omo kilon bubble o (Joromi)
Make you no dey fumble o (Joromi)
I go shoot my shot e o Joro

Uwaifo's song,

Enikunafe (joromi jomi jo)
Enikunafe (joromi jomi jo)
kree kese kese (joromi o jomi o)
Kree kisi kisi (joromi o jomi o)

I dont really get what he said but i tried atleast.

The rhythm dont sound close at all the only similarity is just the name 'joromi' which was not even invented by Sir Uwaifo.

Another example is like singing "caro o caro o caro o baby o" and another artist sing "carolina o carolina o carolina o my baby o" abeg how did they sound the same? can the former claim any copyright in this case? This is the same as Simi and Uwaifo Joromi song.

Even funny is cases where Artists under a label sold their copyrights to a particular music to a record label and after sometime they leave the label. The copyright law states they can never ever make a song that sounds like anything they ever made when the copyright to such is held by someone else. There are may examples where Artists had to buy back their copyrights to be able to even sing their own songs. Sunny Ade was in such a mess sometime back.

I know about this.

I can assure you if Uwaifor should pursue this and his lawyers do their homework he would win it 100%.

He wont because the case is just 10% winning chance on his side, he can only use the popularity of the song to win but not with the title nor the content of the song.

And aside that Simi has manager and lawyer, i am very sure they know what they were doing before releasing that song, even Jaywon replied by saying this.

A careful listening of both would show you Simi's own did infact sounded exactly like his at some point. Do a karaoke of both and start from there. You don't even need to listen to the lyrics to find such.

I just posted the lyrics up there, tell me if they sound the same.

Oya Michael Jackson should claim piracy for 2pac's "Letter to my unborn child" and Small doctor should claim piracy for Davido's Fia.... Mtcheew

tintingz:
I have modified my post, go back and read it.

Well you maybe right here but Simi's joromi song and Uwaifo's joromi song are soundly different.

Simi's song,

I dey give you signal (joromi)
Why you no dey see me ah (joromi)
I give you green light tire (joromi Joro)
Omo kilon bubble o (Joromi)
Make you no dey fumble o (Joromi)
I go shoot my shot e o Joro

Uwaifo's song,

Enikunafe (joromi jomi jo)
Enikunafe (joromi jomi jo)
kree kese kese (joromi o jomi o)
Kree kisi kisi (joromi o jomi o)

I dont really get what he said but i tried atleast.

The rhythm dont sound close at all the only similarity is just the name 'joromi' which was not even invented by Sir Uwaifo.

Another example is like singing "caro o caro o caro o baby o" and another artist sing "carolina o carolina o carolina o my baby o" abeg how did they sound the same? can the former claim any copyright in this case? This is the same as Simi and Uwaifo Joromi song.


I know about this.


He wont because the case is just 10% winning chance on his side, he can only use the popularity of the song to win but not with the title nor the content of the song.

And aside that Simi has manager and lawyer, i am very sure they know what they were doing before releasing that song, even Jaywon replied by saying this.

I just posted the lyrics up there, tell me if they sound the same.

Let me explain better. It's not only about the lyrics alone.

Listen to the sounds, the rhythm, the flow of words, the use of instruments and its immitations . That's what copyright laws are after.

If I tell 10 people to write a story about a mango tree. There would be 10 different ideas and storylines.

You can't copyright "story about a mango tree" but you can copyright the individual 10 different ideas that came up. If someone imitates whether knowingly or unknowingly any of such because he read one of the stories previously or has heard of it before. He has infirgened on the copyright of the person.

Let me give you a quote so you understand better.


"Copyright law is against copying; if you come up with the exact same melody by yourself, then it's fine, as long as you can PROVE that.Good luck proving such.

To prevent people from abusing this, there's a rule that if you've had access to (heard, for example) a previous creation (in this case, the song) and your work is similar to that previous creation, then it will be presumed that you did copy and you have to prove you didn't (not easy). You can also be found to have "subconsciously copied". Balancing this is the rule that if you didn't intentionally copy, you won't be required to pay damages, only enjoined (ordered by way of injunction) to stop infringing the original copyright (so you can't sell your song etc.)"

You wouldn't want to be in her shoes in court. Drop those N200 earpiece they sell on the streets and use a better earpiece to listen to the songs before making judgement. Wish we had sound engineers on nairaland.

just a few hours work analysing both sounds and giving an informed verdict.

Tolexander:
Baba, your "Joromi" and Simi's "Joromi" are two different songs and genres. Though of the same title.

Close ur mouth. ...check the meaning of plagiarism b4 talkin nonsense....

Hozier:
Joromi, Jo mi joro is quite different from Simi's "Joromi, joro"

no bro, in copyright laws it aint. D first tym i heard dt of simi, i remembad uwaifo's. She shud av taken permission or acknowledged. Piracy is in many forms