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Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:12pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam's supremacist doctrine. Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Quran, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin. They limit the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33) appears to allow a slave to buy their own freedom if they are "good." This is in keeping with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through taking and ransoming hostages, which began under Muhammad. A tiny verse in one of the earliest chapters, 90:13, does say that freeing a slave is good, however, this was "revealed" at a time when the Muslim community was miniscule and several of their new and potential recruits were either actual slaves or newly freed slaves. Many of these same people, and Muhammad himself, later went on to become owners and traders of slaves, both male and female, as they acquired the power to do so (there is no record of Muhammad owning slaves prior to starting Islam). The language of the Quran changed to accommodate slavery, which is why this early verse has had negligible impact on slavery in the Islamic world. The taking of women and children as slaves, particularly during the conquests outside Arabia, belies the notion that Jihad was being waged in self-defense, since the enemy's families reside neither with the Muslims nor (generally) on the battlefield. These were innocent people captured from their homes and pressed into slavery by Muhammad's companions and successors. Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although freeing a believing slave is said to increase the master's heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Quran (4:92)). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment. By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the abolishment of slavery. Abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the European West. Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. It is a lie. There was no William Wilberforce or Bartoleme de las Casas in Islam. As mentioned, Muhammad, the most revered figure in the religion, practiced and approved of slavery. Even his own pulpit was built with slave labor. Caliphs since have had harems of hundreds, sometimes thousands of young girls and women brought from Christian, Hindu and African lands to serve Islam's religious equivalent of the pope in the most demeaning fashion. 10 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by MANNABBQGRILLS: 2:13pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Here we go again........sigh! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:14pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
One of Muhammad's closest companions was Umar, who became the 2nd caliph only two years after the prophet of Islam died. It is fair to say that he would have known Islam better than any contemporary apologist - those who say that slaves can only be captured in war and wars can only be waged in self-defense. He obviously did not agree with this. Under Umar's authority, Arab armies in Egypt invaded Black Africa to the south and attempted to conquer the Christian Makurians who were living there peacefully. Although the Muslims were held off, the Makurians had to sign a treaty to prevent recurring invasions. The terms of the Baqt included an annual payment of 360 "high quality" African slaves. The treaty stood for 700 years with no mention of the slightest opposition from generations of Muslim clerics and scholars. Umar himself was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. In this case, the slave was captured during the campaign against a Persia, one of many offensive wars waged by the Muslims against people who were not attacking them. Modern day apologists trying to defend slavery under Islam generally ignore the basic fact that reducing people to property is dehumanizing. They distract from this by comparing the theoretical treatment of slaves under Sharia with the worst examples of abuse from the era of European slavery. ("Fatwa 64 from ISIS instructs slave owners to "show compassion" and "kindness" to the women they rape.) The first problem with this is that the actual practice of Muslim slavery was often remarkably at odds with the relatively humane treatment prescribed by Sharia. For example, according to the Ghanan scholar John Azumah, nearly three times as many captured Africans died in harsh circumstances related to their transport to Muslim lands than were ever even enslaved by Europeans. A more insurmountable problem for the Muslim apologist who insists that slavery is "different" under Islam are the many examples in which Muhammad and his companions sold captured slaves to non-Muslim traders for material goods. The welfare of the slave was obviously of no consequence. Some contemporary apologists interpret sex slavery as a favor done to the subject - a way in which women and children are taken care of in exchange for their sexual availability to the pious Muslim male. Although morally repugnant in its own right, this is easily belied by the fact that slavery would be unnecessary if the arrangement were of benefit to the slave. 8 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:16pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Another myth about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based. It was. Muhammad's father-in-law, Umar, in his aforementioned role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for import into the Middle East. The greatest slave rebellion in human history took place in Basra, Iraq beginning in 869. A half-million African slaves staged a courageous uprising against their Arab-Islamic masters that lasted fifteen years before being brutally suppressed. (See Zanj Rebellion) Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav. Muslim slave raiders operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village: "It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again." (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam). 11 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by kingxsamz(m): 2:16pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
stupid op...please if u know nothing about the quaran stop misleading people...your topic itself is misleading....if u have nothing resonable to post today pls u can take a nap... thank you... Fyi I'm a christian. 14 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:19pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
The Indian and Persian people suffered greatly as well - as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders - far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans are thought to have died en route. Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it! In fact, a fatwa (Islam Q&A 33597 originally at http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597) was recently issued by a mainstream Islamic source reminding Muslim males of their divine right to rape female slaves and "discipline" resisters in "whatever manner he thinks is appropriate". Not one peep of protest from Islamic apologists was recorded. In 2013, the same site prominently proclaimed (Islam Q&A 10382 originally at http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/10382) that "there is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allah says so." In 2011, what passes for a women's rights activist in Kuwait suggested that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:20pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingxsamz: Abu Dawud (2150) - "The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Quran 4:24) 'And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.'" This is the background for verse 4:24 of the Quran. Not only does Allah give permission for women to be captured and raped, but allows it to even be done in front of their husbands. (See also Muslim 3432 & Ibn Kathir/Abdul Rahman Part 5 Page 14) 15 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by kingcypress: 2:22pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
OP, why are you hell bent on showing your stupidity? Must you make your delusional life/behaviour public? 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:22pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
in 2016, a British imam who claims to be anti-extremist, affirmed the legitimacy of sex slavery to his followers. There have also been several modern-day fatwas endorsing the sexual abuse of non-Muslim women following capture. After the Islamic State kidnapped and pressed into slavery thousands of Yazidi women and children in 2014, the caliphate issued an FAQ of sorts on slavery, which included rules on sexually molesting children: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however, if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse." The best that "mainstream" apologists could muster in response was a letter appealing to "the reality of contemporary times", meaning that Islam has no fixed moral position on the rape of woman and children. In 2016, a scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar, the most prestigious Islamic school in the Sunni world, stated that non-Muslim women could be captured in a time of war become "property" and can be raped "in order to humiliate them." A 12-year-old girl taken captive by the Islamic State explained that her 'master' would pray before he raped her: "He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to Allah." Other sex slaves have been forced to pray before the rape or recite passages from the Quran during. When a Yazidi woman begged a caliphate member not to rape a little girl, he responded, "She's a slave... and having sex with her pleases God." A Quran memorization competition in 2015 offered slave girls as the top three prizes. Again, there were no voices of Muslim protest from elsewhere. As Uzy Bulut keenly observed, "A religion that encourages destructive rioting and killing over cartoons, but shows no sign of sorrow as little girls are sold and raped, does not have much to contribute to advancing civilization." Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Quran, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Quran. 18 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:25pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress: Sahih Muslim 4112 - A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free. 20 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by fellowman: 2:26pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
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Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:27pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress: Sahih Bukhari (52:255) - The slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven. Sahih Bukhari (41.598) - Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but they can be used to pay off the debt. Sahih Bukhari (62:137) - An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval. Sahih Bukhari (34:432) - Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus. Sahih Bukhari (47:765) - A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave). Sahih Bukhari (34:351) - Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader. 9 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:31pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress: Sahih Bukhari (59:637) - "The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, 'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?' When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, 'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really "wives." This is because Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living. 9 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by meccuno: 2:32pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
instead for those insulting the OP to counter him with verses in the Quaran they are here abusing him. hosea 4 vs 6 29 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:33pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress: Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight). 6 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:34pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
meccuno: I will be using their own "holy books" to reply the idiots 27 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:37pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress: Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) (o9.13) - According to Sharia, when a child or woman is taken captive by Muslims, they become slaves by the mere fact of their capture. A captured woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled. 7 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:45pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Book 010, Number 3901: Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledg- ed allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) 5 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 2:47pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Video of Islamic State members at one of the caliphate's sex slave markets in November, 2014. A price list was released setting the rate Yazidi and Christian girls between ages 10 and 20 at $130. Women between the ages of 20 and 30 were being sold for $86; a 30 to 40 year was being sold for $75 and 40 to 50 year old women were listed for sale at a price of $43. The price list began with these words: "In the name of Allah, most gracious and merciful. We have received news that the demand in women and cattle markets has sharply decreased and that will affected Islamic State revenues as well as the funding of the Mujaheddin in the battlefield. We have made some changes. Below are the prices of Yazidi and Christian women." 6 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by youngsahito(m): 2:55pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack:what I can say is that this kind of thing also exist in other places and not only in Islamic counties. I advice you to go and watch a movie "The Root". 2 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by aribisala0(m): 3:00pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack:You are rewriting history. Both Religions have sanctioned slavery at various times. Millions of Black fol would not be in the Americas if Christianity did not sanction it 3 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 3:01pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress: The last public slave auction to be held in Islam's "holy" city (mecca) occurred in 1961 after much pressure from Western Nations on the govt of Saudi Arabia. The Quaran even stated that buying a slave from Mecca during hajj brings good luck to the prospective Muslim buyer. Back to Nigeria, Slavery was officially abolished in Northern Nigeria in 1936 by the colonial govt! All those groundnut pyramids the north likes to brag on about came from slave labour under the supervision and for the exclusive benefit to the Muslim overlords. The twin town of Abuja and Suleja were named after two Arab slave raiders who used Suleja as their slave raiding camp and temporary warehouse from where they raided hapless Gwarri villages for their human cargo. Islam provided the moral and divine justification to the Hausa Fulani Muslims who serially pillaged Kafuri lands for slaves. This is the true history of Northern Nigeria and why the Hausa Fulani see the middle belt and it's people as their conquered slaves to which they continue oppressing with their Fulani herdsmen and BH terrorist and why the Fulani led and dominated govt of Buhari refuses to acknowledge any wrong doing on the part of his murderous fulani kinsmen. 19 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by Nobody: 3:02pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Aren’t Nigerian women using young Nigerian girls as slaves in their homes? They pay agents and take this girl’s into their homes and weaponise the paltry sums these girls ought to earn. Punish and beat them at their freewill. Don’t be shocked that most women shouting slavery in Libya are slave drivers in their own homes. Pathetic. 2 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 3:04pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
post=62853217:COUNTER HIS ARGUMENT WITH FACTS AND FIGURES OR REMAIN SILENT FOR LIFE 16 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 3:04pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0: The reason why the abolition movement was spearheaded by Christians and NOT Muslims is because the Christians used their bibles and teachings of Christ to win the argument to abolish slavery. You won't find one single Muslim who has campaigned for the end of slavery rather Muslims are the ones defending the dehumanizing institution of slavery. Facts! 23 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 3:09pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingxsamz:OH I CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE ACTIVATED YOUR CHRISTIAN MONIKER ALREADY 17 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 3:10pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0: Jesus unlike Mohammed never owned slaves or traded slaves. Jesus never promoted Slavery and never took part in slave raids or dealt in slaves. Never has Christianity being used to justify slavery as Christianity does NOT approve of nor sanction the practice of slavery. FACTS! 26 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 3:13pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0:AD HOMINEM OP IS ONLY STATING WHAT WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE QURAN AND HADIT BRUH... SO WHY NOT ATTACK THE MESSAGE INSTEAD OF THE MESSENGER 16 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by proudlyYoruba(m): 3:15pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
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Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 3:16pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingcypress:ARE YOU SURPRISE THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PASTORS 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by proudlyYoruba(m): 3:18pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
What do you intend to achieve this? Will blaming a religion stop the next harvest of human parts in Libya? In our very own Nigeria, people of different religion own maids. Sir pls lets be civil some churches in England and Europe were built with slaves labour. 2 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 3:24pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
proudlyYoruba:MY DEAR EWEDU MUSLIM BROTHER TRY TO READ FIRST BEFORE YOU COMMENT 14 Likes 2 Shares |
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