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Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by dokiOloye(m): 5:10pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0:Were the Jews killed in d name of Christ or Christianity? But our own imam Shekau has been shouting it to d rooftops that Allah has commanded him to sell off the Christian girls of Chibok as slaves captured in battle,backing it with quotations from d Quran.And this is exactly d same life Mohammed lived. Funny thing is that Shekau and Al Baghdadi of ISIS(who by d way is a PhD holder in Islamic studies) appear to be better muslims than you ppl cos they always backup their actions wt appropriate quotations from the Quran. 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 5:12pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0:ODE YOU WANT TO TEACH ME ABOUT WHAT I SPENT 4 GOOD YEARS STUDYING IN THE UNIVERSITY YOU MUST BE A CRAZY FELLOW NOW LISTEN ATTENTIVELY. ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM IS A PHILOSOPHICAL FALLACY WHEREBY AN ARGUMENT IS REBUTTED BY ATTACKING THE (CHARACTER) MESSENGER, MOTIVE OR OTHER ATTRIBUTE OF THE PERSON MAKING THE ARGUMENT RATHER THAN ATTACKING THE MESSAGE. 8 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by aribisala0(m): 5:15pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
FRESHG:ATTACK Now I will attack Your mother is crazy she will die barking 2 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by FRESHG(m): 5:16pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0:COME ON MY EWEDU MUSLIM BROTHER, NOR BE FIGHT NOW 15 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 5:20pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0: bow out of this thread and stop making a fool of yourself 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by PDJT: 5:43pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0: Believe me, you’re bereft of basic knowledge. Try and spend less time here and more time in a library. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by Nobody: 5:52pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack: Catholic liberal here (distinct from Liberal Catholic) . I disagree with your "opinions" and methodology. Most of your writings are heavily biased. This is a confrontation on Islam, and not a examination or presentation of your findings in regards to slavery in religion. In fact, this entire thread is not about the ethics or morality of slavery. In every post @Blowback makes, he attempts to whitewash christianity . When in fact Catholics and Muslims have and still are engaged in slavery. What is slavery? Are their types of slavery? How are slaves acquired? How do they get there? If you really want to examine slavery, in so doing extricate one religion from culpability, you must place each religion side by side and do so. @Blowback is drawing evidence from words/recommendations written a thousand years ago, which nobody is obligated to follow. He ignores the economic aspect. Would "buying and selling" slaves persist, if it were unprofitable? Blowback seems to have read a few history books but he/she is obviously deficient in logic. I suggest Graham Priest's, Logic - A short introduction. |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by PDJT: 5:56pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0: You’re a real life loser! 6 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 5:57pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
TheCabal: The simple question to ask is: Did the Trans-Atlantic slave trade by Europeans draw divine inspiration and justification from the Christian Bible just as the Muslim Arab slavers drew from Islamic teachings and the life of Mohammed their Prophet? 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by SalamRushdie: 6:03pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingxsamz:1 You are not a Christian so stop lying 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 6:08pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
SalamRushdie: Any poster on this thread who identifies as a Christian when commenting is a Muslim They hide behind their Christian claims to disparage Christianity while overlooking Islam's total support for enslaving non-Muslins. This is Muslim shilling 101 and it is known as Taqiyya where Muslims are encouraged to deny their faith when in the midst of non-muslims. 13 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 6:09pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
aribisala0: E don reach like this? Obviously you can not deny the obvious neither can you defend your prophet and his evil religion. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by cstr1000: 6:09pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Lol. Aribisala was beaten black and blue on this thread to the extent he started cursing people's parents as a result of the unbearable blows and he is now somehow trying to divert the thread into the miry clay of insults which he thrives in. Pele o. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by kingxsamz(m): 6:10pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
SalamRushdie: this is a faceless forum, so u don't know me...and I won't argue with u about whether I'm a christian or not, as long as I've passed my message...good day. 1 Like |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by PDJT: 6:11pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
[s] aribisala0:[/s] Loser! 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by cstr1000: 6:11pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack:Nigga can no longer cope with the facts. He wants to dilute the thread by baiting you into trading insults where he will probably win with experience. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 6:12pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingxsamz: You are never a Christian! I know your type very well. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 6:13pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
cstr1000: I don't have time to respond to that low-level troll. If I switch to my Bishop magic mode he will commit suicide for Allah 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by Nobody: 6:14pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack: Blowback: Slave trading (trading people for money/goods/services); predates Catholicism or Islam, even Judaism. Hence, justifications for and against slave trading, predates either religion and cannot be found in those books alone. It would be ridiculous to assume, Christianity (whatever form), was the sole advocate on the morality of slavery ; when slavery existed far long before Christianity or Islam. Like I said, read Graham's book. It is a hundred pages, or thereabout. 1 Like |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by wirinet(m): 6:18pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack: You people rewrite history to suit your lies and dogma. Christianity was almost as bad as Islam in the slave trade. Darwins evolutionary theory that was published in 1859 was responsible for slavery of black Africans that started in 1619 and abolished in 1833. Now clap for yourself, you are an excellent defender of the faith. Please also explain how Darwin's evolutionary theory was responsible for exodus Exodus 21:20-21
And exodus20:7-9
Throughout the slavery period no Christian pope, Bishop or priest condemned slavery, they collaborated with the slave merchants in the slave trade. 4 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by kingxsamz(m): 6:20pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack: lol... as long as this is a faceless forum and as long as you don't know me or anything about me,I won't argue with you. 1 Like |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 6:21pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
TheCabal: Nobody said Mohammed invented Slavery Only Islam provides the religious manual and justification of enslaving and selling people. This is my point. What you saw in Libya was revived by the Islamic State and even our own Boko Shekau cited Koranic references as justification for capturing and selling off Christian school girls. Off course crime is not limited to Muslims as people who identify as Christians and non-muslims commit one form of crime daily but the simple difference is that they can't draw religious justification from the Bible in raping a woman but Islam gives the Muslim man the divine right to abduct and turn a Christian woman or girl into his personal sex slaves. Islam also permits Muslim men to have sex slaves apart from their 4 wives. This is the point I am making! 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 6:23pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
kingxsamz: I will not want to know or associate with you in the real world as I know for sure that you are a Muslim. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by vivalavida(m): 6:25pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
This is BishopMagic at his best. I love reading ur expositions on that fraudulent religion called islam 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by kingxsamz(m): 6:26pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack: Oh like I really give a fu(k... maybe ur the muslim here
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Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by Nobody: 6:42pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack: I avoid using either of the holy books in arguments for or against vices/issues our society is experiencing today; because every verse can be logically countered using external references. These books were written by Man, after all. As providence would bestow, @wirinet has cited "counter" biblical verses here: https://www.nairaland.com/4206996/islam-approves-libyan-slave-markets/2#62860063. In my first response, I concluded this thread has nothing to do with the "morality of slavery in either religion". Your response has corroborated my position. You seem to have veered into politics (the Islamic State) and women's rights in Islam (recommendation on the nos of wives one can marry.) |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by BlowBack: 7:02pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
TheCabal: Islam dictates to the Muslim how to live their lives. The Sharia is not a religious code alone but doubles as the infallible constitution of a Islamic State and from this same Sharia legislature Chattel Slavery is recognised. If Muslims today believe that both Mohammed, his Koran and the Sharia law are perfect and should be implemented, then you should understand why it is only in majority Muslim states that we are still witnessing Chattel slavery. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by HerJahSir(m): 7:18pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Christianity confirmed slavery as it had been affirmed beforehand by Judaism. There is no text in the Gospels that prohibits or denounces slavery. It is remarkable that the historian William Muir criticized our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for not immediately abolishing slavery, whilst overlooking the attitude of the Gospels concerning slavery, as there is no report from the Messiah, or from the Disciples, or from the churches concerning this issue. Rather, in his Epistles, Paul advised that slaves should be loyal to their masters, as he says in his Epistle to the Ephesians, where he enjoins slaves to obey their masters as they would obey the Messiah: “5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and withsincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free” (Ephesians 6:5-9). In Grand Larousse encyclopédique, it says: It comes as no surprise that slavery has continued among Christians until today; the official representatives of the faith have affirmed its validity and accepted itslegitimacy. … to sum up: the Christian religion approved fully of slavery and still does so today. It is very difficult for anyone to prove that Christianity strove to abolish slavery. The saints affirmed that nature makes some people slaves. Churchmen did not prevent slavery or oppose it; rather they supported it, to such an extent that the philosopher saint Thomas Aquinas supported the philosophical view that agreed with the view of religious leaders, and he did not object to slavery, rather he praised it because – according to the view of Aristotle – it is one of the conditions in which some people are created naturally, and it does not contradict faith for a man to be content with the lowes tposition in life. Haqaa’iq al-Islam by al-‘Aqqaad (p. 215). In the Dictionary of the Bible by Dr. George Yousuf it says: Christianity did not object to slavery for political or economic reasons, and it did not urge believers to oppose their generation’s views with regard to slavery, or even debate it, and it did not say anything against the rights of slave owners or motivate the slaves to seek independence; it did not discuss the harm or harshness of slavery and it did not enjoin the immediate release of slaves. It did not change anything in the nature of the relationship between master and slave; on the contrary, it affirmed the rights and duties of both parties. 3 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by HerJahSir(m): 7:23pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Contemporary Europe and slavery It is the reader’s right, in this era of advancement and progress, to ask questions about the pioneers of this progress and the numbers of people who died because of the way in which they were hunted, and who died on their way to the coast where the ships of the English Company and others would wait, then the rest died due to changes in climate. Approximately 4% died as they were being loaded onto the ships, and 12 % during the journey, let alone those who died in the colonies. The slave trade continued at the hands of English companies that obtained the right of monopoly with the permission of the British government, then gave free rein to British subjects to enslave people. Some experts estimate that the total number of people seized by the British during slavery and exiled to the colonies between 1680 and 1786 CE was around 2,130,000. When Europe made contact with Black Africa, this contact led to human misery during which the black people of that continent were faced with a major calamity that lasted for five centuries. The states of Europe came up with evil ways of kidnapping these people and bringing them to their lands to serve as fuel for their revival, where they burdened them with more work than they could bear. When America was discovered, the calamity increased and they became slaves in two continents instead of just one. The Encyclopaedia Britannica says (2/779) on the topic of slavery:Hunting slaves in the villages that were surrounded by the jungle was done by lighting fires in the straw of which the corrals surrounding the villages were made, then when the villagers fled to open land, the British hunted them down with whatever means they had at their disposal. During the period from 1661 to 1774, for every million Black Africans who reached the Americas, a further nine million died during the hunting, loading and transportation. In other words, only one tenth of those who were hunted survived and actually reached the Americas, where they found no rest or relief, rather they were subjected to hard labour and torture. At that time, they had laws which any wise person would be ashamedof. Among these evil laws were those which said that any slave who transgressed against his master was to be killed, and any slave who ran away was to have his hands and feet cut off, and he was to be branded with hot iron; if he ran away again, he was to be killed. How could he run away if his hands and feet had been cut off?! It was forbidden for a black man to become educated, and the jobs of whites were forbidden to coloureds. In America, if seven black people gathered together, that was regarded as a crime, and if a white man passed by them it was permissible for him to spit at them and give them twenty lashes. Another law stated that the blacks had no soul and that they possessed no smartness, intelligence or willpower, and that life existed only in their arms. To sum up, with regard to his duties and service to his master, the slave was regarded as sane, responsible and punishable if he fell short, but with regard to his rights, he had no soul and no being, and he was not more than a strong pair of arms! Finally, after many centuries of enslavement and oppression, there came the protocol to abolish slavery and strive to put an end to it, in a resolution issued by the United Nations in 1953 CE. Hence their consciences did not awaken until the last century, after they had built their civilization onthe corpses of free men whom they had enslaved unlawfully. What fair-minded person can compare this with the teachings of Islam, which came fourteen hundred years ago? It seems that accusing Islam with regard to this topic is like the saying, “She accused me of her problem then walked away.” And Allaah knows best. 3 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by Afonjanightmare(m): 7:55pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
Islamabad 4 Likes |
Re: Islam Approves Of The Libyan Slave Markets by WORLDPEACE(m): 9:09pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
BlowBack:I like what you are doing here because it addresses the foundation of a problem. This will help a lot of Muslims realise that they are not loved as black people. Their prophet did not care too much for blacks. However it is not true that Christian slave traders did not justify their practice of slavery with their religion. I have read where white slave traders called blacks the cursed descendants of Ham. That blacks are condemned by God to be slaves. They did abandon that belief eventually but some of them used it as justification once. |
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