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Bidobado:
Anyone with sense can be tell that his write up has a hateful and envious undertone. Last time I had a simple cannula inserted in my hand in a Nigerian hospital, my whole left fist was covered in scars, plus Nigerian medics lack the compassion and empathy to be carers. They are very mean, rude, nonchalant and corrupt.

Nyoyokomkpat:
Lol
I am one of them. And many of my friends.
There are years that jamb scores will low across board such that someone with 220 can be admitted.
About the merit part, you are not far from the truth.
Some schools do 60% based on merit, 10% based on educational less developed states, 10% catchment areas,10% to indigenes of the community and the other 10% to VCs people. It happens in the world over.
Their thinking is that you can't put someone from IMO state on the same level with someone from Benue state, though I have never been a fan of all thos non-merit shit though.

If your parents have money, go Afe babalola university and study medicine ohh. They are good. They won the south west Medical quiz beating Unilag, Uni Ibadan and Unilorin.
All the best

Nyoyokomkpat:
Lol
I am one of them. And many of my friends.
There are years that jamb scores will low across board such that someone with 220 can be admitted.
About the merit part, you are not far from the truth.
Some schools do 60% based on merit, 10% based on educational less developed states, 10% catchment areas,10% to indigenes of the community and the other 10% to VCs people. It happens in the world over.
Their thinking is that you can't put someone from IMO state on the same level with someone from Benue state, though I have never been a fan of all thos non-merit shit though.

If your parents have money, go Afe babalola university and study medicine ohh. They are good. They won the south west Medical quiz beating Unilag, Uni Ibadan and Unilorin.

All the best

Tbamo:
Is that the fake news abuad is selling that they won the quiz ? For which year ? The finals were popularised here on nairaland and I remember the finals were between uch and oau !

Mbediogu:
I remember one such doctor when we were growing up at the teaching hospital. He did not observe the the L and R signs on an Xray. He and his fellow FMG , a urologist went in for nephrectomy on a Bulgarian woman married to a Nigerian and ended up excising the functional organ. Those days everything removed in the theatre was sent for histology. That was how it was found out. The patient had no chance and the two FMGs (one from Lagos, the other from Edo) left unceremoniously on their own. Re training is very important for suspect graduates in ALL PROFESSIONS especially in these days of 419 when even the dollar is being forged talk of certificates.

SmooshCHN:
Not gonna lie to you. It's tough if you study abroad and you want to pass the MDCN licence exam... If you decide to study abroad, take all 5yrs seriously especially the last two years and most importantly, start learning about Tropical diseases in Africa and diseases common to Africa not them cancer and all we do here.. Two out of 4 of my friends who studied here passed and two failed on their first attempt. The ones who passed had a really good experience with the 4 months tutorial organized by the MDCN in Kaduna and passed the exam. The other two were victims of the Ilorin saga. I don't need to start sharing details of the daily embarrassments they faced from the lecturers and Doctors, classes that were cancelled because there was no light and the stressful 3 months (instead of 4) they faced due to poor organization, expressed jealousy and bias up till the exam day where questions were suddenly changed (remember most of them 5yrs study background is different from Nigeria and they had to catch up in 3months).. That's failure even before writing exams.
It's much better if the state the license exam is Foreign student friendly like Kaduna, Edo etc. Don't let Nigeria decide your fate. The hatred is already a problem if you studied abroad.

I hope it won't be like this for those of us attempting in few years to come.

lebete3000:
My brother there's really no hate against y'all, the only thing we got is disgust for you guys. Cos you guys are so pompous always making noise in the TV room at OAUTHC but end up having absolutely nothing upstairs.
Isn't that as disgusting as it can get??

A place where a doc doesn't know the average blood volume, doesn't know the average weight of a man, has never heard of cytokines, said the commonest cause of Rectal Bleeding is Intestinal Cancer. Tell me where one wants to start from which such a "doc". And they now worsen it with pomposity.

Arrogance in Ignorance, Empty Barrels.

lebete3000:
My brother thanks for this wonderful contribution, it's such a pity we have a lot of dvmb folks on this thread who couldn't comprehend what the OP wrote despite him being explicitly clear, but are instead yapping about ppl who fly to India for treatment. Didn't the OP state that the FMGs don't get same quality education the citizens there get and can't even do apprenticeship but are sent back to Nigeria as inferior goods to treat y'all.

It's ds same inferior mentality that'll make y'all fly to India for a Kidney transplant that ordinary FMC Umahia just did and many Federal hospitals do all around.

Well this country was never meant to be in the first place that's why there's a total lack of patriotism which is our main problem.

PS- Naija is just a proud dumping ground where anything you bring from a light-skinned coloured country is worshipped even if it's a pile of shyte.

Ordinary chinco Lebanese go dey body us for here.
SMH.

LegitBoy:
Are you comparing UKRAINE AND INDIA Health facilities to that of Nigeria? Even Kenya in Africa is better than Nigeria.

acupikin:
I didn't steal the credit is on my site,maybe I forgot to add his name on nairaland he is also my fb friend ,a very good one

NiRfreak:
You are really a fool and a big thief if this guy is truly a friend of yours on Facebook. Saying you forgot to add his name just shows the big liar you are after getting the whole praise. plagiarism is a big offence and a form of academic wickedness. Its very unfair. Even the bloggers are thief and we all know most bloggers here are plagiarists, but being his friend , having read the original post, you went as far as Nairaland to claim is effort, you are a big thief. Stop it, it won't take u far.
N:B I know the true owner of this post on Facebook, he's also my Facebook friend and I read the post immediately he posted a day or two days ago. Coming here to read it without due credit given to him is painful and a shame on you. This is the Facebook profile name of the writer: Peter Adeosun Keyz

Acupikin or whats your name again, you are one of the bad friends he has friend on Facebook..Ole oshi..and I won't be surprised if u are also the owner of the shitty blog. Nonsense

SmooshCHN:
Well, you sound very fierce on this one and I care less of what you think about how people choose to live their lives whether they are pompous or humble outside the Doctor's patient environment. You aren't any different throwing words around.

If you actually read most of what I wrote up there, you wouldn't need to express your disgust. You'd understand my post was aimed at encouraging the Medical Council creating a neutral ground for every student who attempted the License Exam. And if they fail, they fail. Americans fail USMLE, those in UK also fail PLAB.

If an exam council is fuelled and governed by those who are disgusted by foreign students, this means there's an existing a bias already against those seeking Medical License. This same type of disgust you extensively expressed goes down to the MDCN council and extends to those who are in charge of lectures to be given to those seeking License and those in charge of the exam which ultimately proves that the whole transition scheme, assessment and exam is Flawed.

If they'd drop the personal vendetta against foreign students and take each and every of them as a "Foreign Student seeking a License" and not just another "Pompous Empty head", organize a well structured and functional system for a better transition would it kill any of the already serving Doctors? Would it hurt anyone? Definitely No!! But instead, Disgust against them must be expressed at every level.

You should ask yourself how a well structured organization managed to give license to someone who doesn't know the average body weight.

Emmyblaqie:
D OP sound intimidated by d foreign trained Doctors...d truth z, Nigeria does nt av good nd modern facilities... I mean "modern" to train Competent doctors...Anoda tin, Nigeria medical education z ancient..nd y wnt dey go abroad wen strike strike strike every wer...u urslf, ar u proud of it?? Goin abroad because u cudn't get admitted in2 Nigerian university z nt shameful. Itz d best, rather dan staying in dis frustrating country nd writing Jamb...u folks dat cudn't skul abroad shudn't be writing post dat sound Jealous nd intimidating. They cud afford it, so??...even if itz Togo...e beta pass Naija. Even minister of education said so. Dis wnt stop me 4rm goin 2 study medicine abroad..

Heffalump:
Sentiments aside, op was emphatic about how foreign medical students are trained in some countries and the discriminations against them. Never had he compared facilities back here in Nigeria with other nations thru out his piece. No matter how painful it may seem, you cannot deny the basic facts put up there.

Moral of the Lesson:
If you must study medicine abroad, ensure all-round development to enable you practice locally and internationally.

SmooshCHN:
Well, you sound very fierce on this one and I care less of what you think about how people choose to live their lives whether they are pompous or humble outside the Doctor's patient environment. You aren't any different throwing words around.

If you actually read most of what I wrote up there, you wouldn't need to express your disgust. You'd understand my post was aimed at encouraging the Medical Council creating a neutral ground for every student who attempted the License Exam. And if they fail, they fail. Americans fail USMLE, those in UK also fail PLAB.

If an exam council is fuelled and governed by those who are disgusted by foreign students, this means there's an existing a bias already against those seeking Medical License. This same type of disgust you extensively expressed goes down to the MDCN council and extends to those who are in charge of lectures to be given to those seeking License and those in charge of the exam which ultimately proves that the whole transition scheme, assessment and exam is Flawed.

If they'd drop the personal vendetta against foreign students and take each and every of them as a "Foreign Student seeking a License" and not just another "Pompous Empty head", organize a well structured and functional system for a better transition would it kill any of the already serving Doctors? Would it hurt anyone? Definitely No!! But instead, Disgust against them must be expressed at every level.

You should ask yourself how a well structured organization managed to give license to someone who doesn't know the average body weight.

Danladi7:
Have you been inserted by a foreign trained doctor or abroad before?

piagetskinner:
because you don't have money to get trained abroad doesn't mean you should belittle those who do

how can you compare the standard of medicine abroad with Nigeria's?.. its a far cry Mr man...i don't know y you're pained..because your write up is flawed
most Nigerian doctors are just proud. they don't even know how to diagnose properly.. and then you say ure better than to those who had proper training

lebete3000:
Why can't you just acceptr you guys are empty barrels and do away with your persecutory delusions...it makes you look weak and foolish.

What do you mean by MDCN having double standards? You mean they set a different exams from what they teach or what? Medicine is universal worldwide only that some diseases occur more commonly in other terrains than others.

You sound like someone who thinks they're setting different exams for people, I am preparing for the USMLE and I'm not starting with KAPLAN but with the main texts, by the time I'm through with that then I can come down to specifics in KAPLAN, that is how an excellent doctor studies for exams, not looking for Area of Concentration as you're inferring. I'm sure if you were actually well trained abroad you'll know that, cos only weak students of your type end up with Area of Confusion.

My response here is not to throw words around but to save unsuspecting Nigerians who majority of them are also cajoled and hoodwinked with the Oyinbo mentality like your ilk from your destruction.

A place where a Medical Officer from Sudan was left in the Paediatric unit and neonate were just dying like pure water, dvmb head had to be repatriated to the GOPD to protect our future kids from her disaster.

It's just appalling saying I'm jealous of a bunch of Bimbos who don't even possess the basic knowledge of the tenets of Medicine, but this is Nigeria where anything goes.

The same FMGs that had terrible grades in other African countries like Ghana, Kenya etc and hid their face in shame will come to Naija where they even had a better pass mark and start raising dust and threatening brimstone....

Shame!!!

Abeg who get the meme of that black coach clapping away in disgust...I should start screen grabbing some meme for dummies like this.

lebete3000:
it makes you look weak and foolish.

piagetskinner:
because you don't have money to get trained abroad doesn't mean you should belittle those who do

how can you compare the standard of medicine abroad with Nigeria's?.. its a far cry Mr man...i don't know y you're pained..because your write up is flawed
most Nigerian doctors are just proud. they don't even know how to diagnose properly.. and then you say ure better than to those who had proper training
Abroad where exactly ? The basics of undergraduate medical education is simply to integrate your clinical knowledge into clinical practice , know how to take a good history and examine appropriately, order the necessary investigation not consuming the patient's money and formulate reasonable differentials, refer the patient if need be. Remember the curriculum we use here in Nigeria is far differs from what obtains in Ukraine , Russia, the cases we see are different, so it wont be easy for any foreign trained doc to adapt here hence the need for the remedial program. A friend who schooled in Ukraine once told me they don't read textbooks the way we do here , I asked about patient contact , she said it was minimal , she said they are given all the materials they will be needing for each semester /year at once and they are examined after each course , so no professional exams like in Nigeria . My opinion is medicine I Nigeria is behind but the average Nigerian medical graduate is good , am not looking down on the foreign trained but if u must travel pls make it uk , us or any other nice country though quite expensive, u will receive standard training , a friend who trained in Ukraine once diagnosed a suspected peptic ulcer case as koch's disease , am not saying they are bad but some cant match the clinical judgment necessary in d Nigerian setting , its not everytime u will have access to the best diagnostic technology

SmooshCHN:
Lmao!!! It was only a matter of time before you come up heated insults, vague points and better lies to suite your points which doesn't even relate to what I was saying about the exam. With all you wrote up there, the problem isn't far fetched. If you're educated, you'll read your posts and see the problem lies with the MDCN and those in charge of the health care system (assuming your lies about Foreign doctor responsible for death of multiple infants and the one who doesn't know the average weight of a human were true). It really shows how prestigious the MDCN is.

Chill out with the lies

delana:
Abroad where exactly ? The basics of undergraduate medical education is simply to integrate your clinical knowledge into clinical practice , know how to take a good history and examine appropriately, order the necessary investigation not consuming the patient's money and formulate reasonable differentials, refer the patient if need be. Remember the curriculum we use here in Nigeria is far differs from what obtains in Ukraine , Russia, the cases we see are different, so it wont be easy for any foreign trained doc to adapt here hence the need for the remedial program. A friend who schooled in Ukraine once told me they don't read textbooks the way we do here , I asked about patient contact , she said it was minimal , she said they are given all the materials they will be needing for each semester /year at once and they are examined after each course , so no professional exams like in Nigeria . My opinion is medicine I Nigeria is behind but the average Nigerian medical graduate is good , am not looking down on the foreign trained but if u must travel pls make it uk , us or any other nice country though quite expensive, u will receive standard training , a friend who trained in Ukraine once diagnosed a suspected peptic ulcer case as koch's disease , am not saying they are bad but some cant match the clinical judgment necessary in d Nigerian setting , its not everytime u will have access to the best diagnostic technology

SmooshCHN:
I clicked on this thread to see if there'll be any sane points someone else will come up with which may be different from the sheer hatred for Foreign Medical Student that has been expressed by the MDCN, the regular citizen like you and down to the senate..

All your points only showed how shallow, shameless and incompetent people like you think and the MDCN..

I'll start from here.




It's good you know Nigeria isn't up to the global standard in medical practice or healthcare. While it's still a developing country, it totally makes sense that students will study abroad and definitely go for countries with better medical standards compared to Nigerias'



Medicine and Surgery requires higher cutoff marks compared to most courses.. First there is competition, corruption in the admisson system, candidates picking wrong school choices, being an indigene of a particular state (I got 272 in my Jamb, wrote post utme and got 70 when the cut off mark is 60 but i was offered ANIMAL SCIENCE.. Not even Microbiology. when those from the state who got 60 to 65 were offered Medicine and 66 to 70 were for those on Dean's or H.O.D's list . I was then told i'm supposed to settle some individuals to get my name on the admission list). This is what our Universities have turned into..

Getting admission isn't even by Merit anymore.. You need to know people that knows someone and pay to study for a course of your chioce. Meanwhile, the schools abroad require your SSCE certificate, accept BSc, TOEFL, etc and other academic qualifications and don't stress your life or waste your time. All they do is convert the results to their standard and yes!! Even Asain countries reject poor SSCE grades.
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This is jealousy, pure inferiority complex and low self esteem speaking. You should've just said you feel intimidated by the so called "children of rich people" who can afford to study abroad. The problem is from you who already feel inferior. Those who attempted the exams were already tortured psychologically because they are "FMGs", they faced verbal harassment from the lecturers who are already filled with hate and jealousy.

Those nonsense you wrote about racism are pure lies just to buttress your empty points.. I have friends in Ukraine, China, Russia and they go for practical classes from first year, exposed to cadavers as early as first year, and go to hospitals, interact with patients (no treatments allowed because students are not licence doctors), allowed to diagnose patients (including taking patient's history and vital signs, performing physical examinations, discussing the signs and symptoms and treatments according to patient's case etc.) as early as 2nd year up till final year.. This is how it is done here in China. You can apply for license exam in these countries so far you observed your internship there and passed the license exam with proper working documents. So please stop the lies about not touching patients or getting to the theater room throughout medical school.

Where the problem lies is what foreign students actually study. The cases they deal with on a daily basis is totally different from Nigeria or Africa.. Most diseases they study are related to Cancer, Cardiovascular diseases, Intestinal and non communicable diseases compared to Africa or Nigeria where we have tropical diseases and communicable diseases.. This major difference is why the MDCN 4 month compulsory tutorial was set up (The one at Ilorin only lasted 3 months marred by poor organization from the tutorials down to the exam). They are supposed to be prepare that stage of transition for the Foreign Medical Students.. How do you expect people who studied a different system for 5/6yrs catch up to your system in 3 months? Are they robots? Even if they are, your constant expression of jealousy and hatred wouldn't even allow a fair ground. The failed transition process prove they are incompetent. Nigerian doctors who run to the UK fail PLAB on their first attempts as well. It doesn't mean they are incompetent.


There has to be a well structured platform for transition, well organized lessons (not the nonsense the MDCN organized at Ilorin), fair platform not inspired or filled with hatred and jealousy. No sane "children of rich people" in your language FMG seeking medical license will go about harrassing you with their tag. Organize a transparent system and if they fail, they fail.

Foreign Medical Students fail Licence Exams every time, everywhere in the world, some aren't academically sound enough and some are sound but lack a competent transition platform.. If Nigeria is satisfied with the Doctors they have, they can just scrap the MDCN program for FMGs instead of going about trying to ridicule them as if the country hasn't already failed it's own people.

lebete3000:
My brother there's really no hate against y'all, the only thing we got is disgust for you guys. Cos you guys are so pompous always making noise in the TV room at OAUTHC but end up having absolutely nothing upstairs.
Isn't that as disgusting as it can get??

A place where a doc doesn't know the average blood volume, doesn't know the average weight of a man, has never heard of cytokines, said the commonest cause of Rectal Bleeding is Intestinal Cancer. Tell me where one wants to start from which such a "doc". And they now worsen it with pomposity.

Arrogance in Ignorance, Empty Barrels.

yassinattah:
Stop using a particular Nigerian medical training centre to generalise every other place in 9gria,go to UCH,Unimaid,Unilorin,ABUTH,AKTH,UDUTH,UNTH,NAUTH and a host of others and see 4urself.
I can equally set u a medical brain teaser right now for u n u will outrightly fail,that why there's room for residency training to perfect ur knowledge because no one knows it all.