the honest truth is we need ppl to come together and give to the poor,
that is the primary message of love your neihgbour that our Lord Jesus preached
what we have now in the church is " i love my pastor" the rest can go to blazes
and pastor too arent complaining because it gives them the good life they want
putting smile on people faces is something that gives me more joy than anything else
and if this is what daddy freeze is saying then i can assure people that there are millions of nigerians like me
who actually does want to see the other poor person happy
we have this attitude in our culture that when you do something for someone , he must show appreciations by saying thank you a million times
that ideology is totally wrong , and the truth is when you do something for someone and you expect the person to be indebted to you
by continually saying thank you , then your kind gesture isnt accepted by God
most of the time ,i do things for people who doesnt even know me talkless of saying thank you to me .
this is the message of hope that can really help us as individuals and also as a nation

THIS IS WHAT CHRIST LOVE IS ALL ABOUT NOT BY MAKING SOME PASTORS LIFE LUXURIOUSLY COMFORTABLE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeuIpRw4Br0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSzwauiKTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKB9060LXU

In Matt 23:23 was rebuking the men of God those days for tithing alone and not doing other things.

We are all encouraged to needy from the scriptures especially does in the house of God and believers
Galantia 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Jesus didnot go to street to feed 5000 but those that came to hear the word of God.

felixomor:


Tithe has only one meaning in bible concordance.
If you want to add your own. U are alone.

And if your last line says people need money, but in your mind, church doesn't need money ba.
Yet you want to go to worship centres and feel comfortable when you worship God and share His word. But Church doesn't need money
Good o. Continue

pls tell me the one meaning

rejosom:


Well the bible u claim to read said so. When Jesus sent his disciples to preach, he specifically asked them not to carry any 'purse'. Now, tell me that the holy spirit ministered to you that the statement meant 'carry your money for hand no use purse'

Continue!!!

Jesus no need money Abi but him get treasurer Judas. You self continue

RabbiDoracle:


Ok. Thank you sir. Aside preaching the word of God, what other jobs did Jesus do to earn income? Please remind me.

Some people don't do any other job aside preaching and get tithes. This IMO is income and he needs to pay taxes on that. Do you agree??

Jesus prior to his ministry was a Carpenter. Its in d scripture. Matt 13:5, mark 6:3

felixomor:


Pls go and read your bible well again
Or download another one

this one weak me

felixomor:


Pls go and read your bible well again
Or download another one

this one weak me

oruma19:
Jesus prior to his ministry was a Carpenter. Its in d scripture. Matt 13:55

You are answering some parts of my post. Answer all.

Now prior to ministry, he was a carpenter. We know is dad, Joe the carpenter! So he paid tithes then. When ministering, did he advise people to pay taxes? Did he pay too?

Oya start quoting. I'm only asking logical questions.

You will agree with me that if he did, then whatever he must have received was an income and hence the advice to pay taxes on it.

If he did not, he is going against the law!

So answer me! Did he pay during the ministry or not?

If only we could genuinely aspire to be like Jesus. If he came again today, many so called followers will have nothing to do with him because of his humility. I can tell you he will not keep a dime in the bank when one of God's children is starving or needs that dime.

He certainly will not insist on luxury buildings as places of worship, he will not be flying luxury jets, wearing expensive clothings and so on. There is nothing Christlike in the way many are today. No single respect for God as we use his name for our ambitions. No one may be like Christ but do we even try? Do we at least step back, admit and repent when we are confronted by the truth. It is never too late to repent when God hasn't taken the grace of life from us. Remember the NEEDY. Those are your brothers. Be your brothers keepers.

Merry Christmas folks!

onatisi:
the honest truth is we need ppl to come together and give to the poor,
that is the primary message of love your neihgbour that our Lord Jesus preached
what we have now in the church is " i love my pastor" the rest can go to blazes
and pastor too arent complaining because it gives them the good life they want
putting smile on people faces is something that gives me more joy than anything else
and if this is what daddy freeze is saying then i can assure people that there are millions of nigerians like me
who actually does want to see the other poor person happy
we have this attitude in our culture that when you do something for someone , he must show appreciations by saying thank you a million times
that ideology is totally wrong , and the truth is when you do something for someone and you expect the person to be indebted to you
by continually saying thank you , then your kind gesture isnt accepted by God
most of the time ,i do things for people who doesnt even know me talkless of saying thank you to me .
this is the message of hope that can really help us as individuals and also as a nation

THIS IS WHAT CHRIST LOVE IS ALL ABOUT NOT BY MAKING SOME PASTORS LIFE LUXURIOUSLY COMFORTABLE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeuIpRw4Br0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSzwauiKTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKB9060LXU

Stop quoting bible and ask logical questions.

What these dudes need is just logic.

They are all hostages to fear! They put fear in them such that a man who lives in Lekki and calls himself a man of God will be in Lekki and be describing how Heaven and Hell are. He will be telling you the countenance(anger, happiness etc) of God when you don't pay tithes. Has he seen God before? How much more his countenance?

Some in this generation are breaking of from fear. They don't want to be hostages anymore.

Funny enough, the so called men of God oopen their mouth and say someone will die because of condemning tithing. Are you God? Was that what was commanded in the holy book they read? Was that what was also commanded in the constitution of Nigeria!

ofai:


Keep deceiving yourself. How much and how often do you give to the poor and needy even? Hypocrite!

The new testament early church gave all that they had (beyond a tenth) and you are here lamenting over a tenth. Study your scriptures.

Are you being forced to tithe? Why are you so bitter when others willingly tithe? Do you think every pastor is selfish and materialistic?

Tithing is older than the law. It is not compulsive in the new testament church regardless of its validity.

Minister should be taken care of. They are not beggars. How much have you sown into a ministers life? Do you think they don't have bills to pay and families to run? If you don't want to tithe, congrats.... Leave others who willingly choose to.

When the General overseer threatens those who do not pay tithe with curses, it's no longer done willingly.
If I was a member of that church, I'd be afraid and be forced to pay tithe cos my GO has added a curse clause to it.
Besides, it's shameful most "tithing churches" don't preach anything else, except tithing and prosperity.
It defeats the purpose of winning souls for Christ.

Obajuxxl:

Jesus no need money Abi but him get treasurer Judas. You self continue

This is what got us where we are already..reading out of context. Everybody needs some money form or another, agreed.

The topic is about 'needing money to preach the gospel'.

We re All making Christianity hard for most of us that re still growing up spiritually, if there is anything you what to kno bout tithing you can get it in the bible, it is a law on its own that everybody have to obey as a christian,

Aragon:


Exactly! The BRAINWASHING is so severe that it's scary! They worship only their pastor and GO, not even an Angel can convince these once. I mean the fact that while trying to defend Tithes their pastors started contracting each others, also the only Authority that has right to speak on this, The Association of Nigerian Theologians has spoken to clarify this, they said the Pastor's are all wrong and Tithes has nothing to do with Christians, cased closed. So what more do these guys want?

They know the truth but do not want to let go of the luxury that money from tithes gives them.

ime2010:
#TitheAgainstPoverty TAP Challenge By Daddy Freeze[/b]

Why There Is No Room For Tithing In The New Covenant! ~FRZ

Eradicated Poverty with your tithe rather than feeding an already fat-fed GO.



@daddyfreeze I strongly disagree with you on this tithe movement. I have carefully review the videos and interview and I think you are misleading people. Firstly, there were 2 Order of Priesthood - Aaronic Priesthood and Melchisedec Priesthood [Heb 7: 1-28]. The present church is NOT following Aaronic, but Melchisedec Priesthood. For tithing, there MUST be a Priest to receive the tithe. For the present day church, the biblical tribe does NOT count... whether Levite (Aaron) or Juda (Jesus), because there is NO record of Melchisedec tribe, but he received tithe as a Priest. If Abraham paid tithe to Melchisedec, his natural and spiritual seed should continue to pay tithe to this priesthood since it now replace the Aaronic priesthood (v 9-21). Is the first priest of the Melchisedec order the only on to receive tithe? Should God require tithing under this priesthood at the first and then discontinue it when Christ became a priest under this order? Does grace lessen the obligation of man OR increases it? Has this priesthood come to a self-supporting place, where it needs nothing from those under it benefits? Was it right that Abraham paid tithe to this priesthood and for melchisedec to receive them for his support? If it was right then, could it be wrong now to continue this same programe? Should a mere typical priesthood be supported and not the eternal priesthood itself? Awaiting you kind response

Going by melchezedek priesthood let me ask U
U are indirectly saying that Abraham was OBLIGATED by God to pay tithe to Melchizedek
Therefore,there must be a LAW or COMMANDMENT
If that is case,what LAW OBLIGATED Abraham to TITHE?
God COMMANDED BURNT OFFERINGS AND CIRCUMCISION FOR ABRAHAM AND FAMILY...WHY WAS THE BIBLE SILENT ON A VERY SERIOUS PRINCIPLE AS TITHE?

Secondly,the similarity of the priesthood of Jesus to the priesthood of Melchizedek is based on three facts
1.Being priest for ever(Hebrews 7:3)
2.Not on a basis of a regulation in other words,not on a platform of a law or commandment(Hebrews 7:16)

However,there are distinctions between the priesthood of Jesus and that of Melchizedek
1.There was an OATH which declared Christ as a high priest(Hebrews 7:20-22
2.He became a guarantor of a better covenant(Hebrews 7:22)
3.Able to intercede(Hebrews 7:25)
4.Christ has ascended to heaven unlike other priest including Melchizedek(Hebrews 4:14;Hebrews 7:26)
5.Christ is the only priest that offered himself as a sacrifice once for all(Hebrews 7:27)
6.Christ did not offer a gift or sacrifice,hence cannot also receive gifts and sacrifices like that of the law(Hebrews 7:27;Hebrews 8:3-4)

ofai:
Tithing is SCRIPTURAL. Ministers of God shouldn't be categorized "poor and needy". The poor and needy have voluntary contributions made for them too. Tithes is a voluntary contribution made for church minister's welfare.

no your wrong Malachi:3 specifically mentioned food..... "so that they maybe food" in my house. Read Malachi 3: 10.

felixomor:

Prove it
Or stop Telling lies


No its bicycles that travel to other countries
Yeah right


Thats your opinion
If you like twist it to mean anything you want.
A genuine person doenst have to twist lies all over the place.



But u can register hashtag


The gospel first. Thats what pple neeed
All other things are secondary

Bro honestly I'm disappointed. You sound educated and mature, but contrastingly you don't seem to have wisdom. Honestly I used to think it's only uneducated people and desperate people that these pastors can 'obtain' with their propaganda and lies. If educated people like you are still falling for this sham, then there's a big problem.

reminiscing:

I grew up to see my mum pay her tithe, she has been very consistent with it and she gives to the needy too even if it's her last (many times it has happened). But do you know that God's promises about tithe is not a Joke??
I have checked my mum's life with that of her siblings and some persons and the difference is clear. She has accomplished what is unimaginable in our little niche, There is blessing in tithing. Do not allow OAP Freeze deceive you.
If after paying tithe and your pastor squader the money, he has a case with God. Just obey God, all this story about tithe is a distractrous temptation.

I grew up in a church where tithe was never mentioned till I left home for school. There were many people who prospered in that church.

I attended a mission school where tithe was never mentioned, yet people prospered there.

I have never paid tithe all my life, yet I am doing well for myself.

I work in an environment where there are many Muslims, yet some of them prosper more than some tithe paying contemporaries.

What I am saying in essence is this "tithe did not make your mum better than her friends".

Of course the bible says " the difference is clear" according to one tithe collecting Daddy GO.

Now, the #TAP challenge is not really about individual prosperity but that of the nation.

It doesn't matter whether you pay tithe or not. The only thing we are trying to point out is that 'tithing has no business with Christianity " and that "tithing is never about money". Go ahead and pay but let it be that you are not being deceived into doing so by jetloving GOs.

paroh137:


Bro honestly I'm disappointed. You sound educated and mature, but contrastingly you don't seem to have wisdom. Honestly I used to think it's only uneducated people and desperate people that these pastors can 'obtain' with their propaganda and lies. If educated people like you are still falling for this sham, then there's a big problem.

Take it easy on the guy... He is pastor. He knows what he is doing.

Achorise:
If Freeze is against tith, as against bible instructions, why don't you obey God to the fullest.
Now you are asking for the Same tithe for the poor, is obedience not better than sacrifice ?
Nigerian are so gullible.
if someone comes now and support gay, divorce and premarital sex, Nigerians will still support him.
I'm watching, after tithe I will see the next area of attack against the church of God and his servants.

I think Mr freeze quoted portions from the bible to validate his stand while some agitated pastors keep making threats and running in circles rather than countering the scriptures presented!
I don't also see where freeze made any reference out of the bible...
Going by Deuteronomy 14:22-29 and Deuteronomy 26:12-13,Can you say with all Honesty say that most pastors are being obedient?

I support this initiative, God bless daddy freeze.

Daemonsanti:

bla bla bla.
so you actually think 10% of your earnings can eradicate poverty??
go tell those politicians to provide jobs and leave tithe and M.O.Gs to GOD.

Honestly speaking my 10% cannot alleviate poverty. But it can put someone in business. Yours can too. It is our collective 10%s that will do the work of poverty eradication not individual 10%.

Well, the politicians have failed us, the Daddy GOs are buying up company spaces to build church and church car park. So how should we leave them alone?

They are rich already.... Giving to the rich and starving the poor creates poverty. Prov. 22:16.

For those debating and arguing over tithes, read the whole history and explanations of tithe here

https://www.nairaland.com/4226027/truth-tithing-pastor-murphy-akpovi

rejosom:


This is the lie we are asking people to unlearn.
Tithe is for church minister's welfare.
First fruit is for church minister's welfare.
Offering is for church minister's welfare.
Harvest Thanksgiving is for church minister's welfare.
Stickers and holy oil are for church member's welfare.

Make we open our eyes.

There is no single biblical backing for Christian tithing. Tithing is for the Jews and Jews alone. Even Jews of today don't tithe because there is no temple anymore. It is now you a who claim not to be under the law that the law of tithing is bound.

Muru anya o.
Use that 10% to reduce the number of poor people in Nigeria. Glad u know ministers if God are not poor and lazy. They are wise toiling day and night on how to twist the bible to suite their selfish agenda. Where did they get tithe is for the minister's welfare from?

Abeg #TAP

My dear tell them look at the example christ showed to his people when he fed the people with 5loaves of bread and two fishes.....the bible recorded they were weary and hungry Instead of him (christ ) to indulge them with long sermon he first made sure they were properly fed. I wonder why some people no dey read Bible well they only cury verses and chapters that suits them most.

oruma19:
u people don't wana go to heaven abi? Papa adeboye said u must pay 10% to him or miss heaven... Una nobde hear word abi? OK na. Ahahahahahaha haha. Adeboye is a backslider he needs to return to God. Pride will not make him agree he has failed God because he sees himself as god. Non wahala we are watching. Pls read his open heaven where he lied..

Paying tithes makes you a financial member of heaven....lolx. Abeg which currency do they use in heaven?

Know the history and the Genesis of tithe today. You don't have to be deceived due to lack of information. Click on the link below to see a detailed explanation on the issue of tithing.

https://www.nairaland.com/4226027/truth-tithing-pastor-murphy-akpovi

lyntiffany:
My dear tell them look at the example christ showed to his people when he fed the people with 5loaves of bread and two fishes.....the bible recorded they were weary and hungry Instead of him (christ ) to indulge them with long sermon he first made sure they were properly fed. I wonder why some people no dey read Bible well they only cury verses and chapters that suits them most.

They read bible o.... But with the brain of their pastors. Simple English... The pastor will twist it and tell them you need holy spirit to understand it.

The pastors only read Mal 3v10 to them he will never read Micah 3:10 to them. So they will never know it exists in the bible. Pathetic.

petra1:


Kindly ask him . That’s even if he gives

Mark 12:41 (KJV)
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much

Luke 18:12 (MSG)
12 I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income.'
.

Let's be sincere when we are making references, you choose the part that suits you the most leaving out the process that led to such statment here read it in full....Luke 18:10-14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be lifted.

Acidosis:
So the tithe against poverty challenge is about sending money to daddy freeze to give to the poor?


I would rather give my money to a fat-fed pastor than give it to daddy freeze





Nigerians are real sheepies! How can a nonentity tell you all what to do with the money you laboured for?? I am already imagining the millions daddy freeze will make from the #freethesheeple crew. They're the real sheeple.

Sheeples trying to free "sheeples"

If you actually read what he said....He asked that U use ur tithe to HELP some close to You!
Which i think is really a great idea and has bible scriptures to back it up!

Imagine if Ur tithe can take a child to school every day or help empower a needy person or help offset the bills of sick patient at the hospital or pay the house rent of some one who is owing a backlog due to unpaid salaries or pensions!

Imagine if ur tithe and that of others are channeled towards the good of mankind,no single person in Nigeria would go hungry or without shelter...Just imagine the amount of unbelievers that will convert to become believers due to this generous effort!

Remember that it will be difficult and hopeless to preach to someone who is hungry or has no means of survival!

That is the challenge freeze is talking about!

He never asked that U give him money to give to the poor!

Go back and listen to what he said!
Remember that he who gives to the poor and needy lends to God!

Esepayan:


took so much time to type trash mate....

it just shows you lack soud reasoning. At least I'm free from all prejudice.
Most of you that are graduates need to go back and reason adequately.
Mere arguments with you has turned to insult.
I didn't expect anything better anyway!!
I'm looking forward to when some of you will argue on this forum without hauling insults.
Have a nice day love.

No biblical backing?

petishegzy:


Maybe and Maybe not

paroh137:


Bro honestly I'm disappointed. You sound educated and mature, but contrastingly you don't seem to have wisdom. Honestly I used to think it's only uneducated people and desperate people that these pastors can 'obtain' with their propaganda and lies. If educated people like you are still falling for this sham, then there's a big problem.

Pls continue crying.
Mr educated

According to his own view or the word of God

rejosom:


Don't take my word for it. Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor said they will. So...