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lazygal:
Its religious by nature and you know it so keep quiet and remain indifferent...you know already am praying to c in future don't add to it. Ehen

Explain please

lazygal:
IAM 100% PERCENT BEHIND FIRDAUSI AMASU .ISLAM IS NOT A NEW RELIGION .YOU ALL KNOW THAT CIVERING OUR HAUR IS NOT OPTIONAL ITS A DIVINE LAW ( AM NOT CALLING ALL OTHERS SUNNERS FOR NOT COVERING,; MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US ALL IT WAS BEYOND THEM)
LOOKING AT FIRDAUSI DRESSING AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED SHE ABiDED By all requirement she even tucked in the veilso what the hell is the problem ?
How does. Her dressing affect legal system in Nigeria?is Nigeria now saying Islam is not recognised becasue to deny our dressing is to deny our existence
If the nuns can provide evidence that its in thdbuble to cover their. Heads thdthey should go-ahead and also they can tuck in neatly like masu did

inshaa Allah ,amasu will win this

dearly beloved,No they can't tuck it neatly as she did. they will wear it in the manner their various religions allow, just as d moslem girl has worn hers in a manner islam allows. the tin is d law is blind to ol ds tins, no religion,No sex,No notn. both men and women are refferd to as Gentlemen at d bar, both male nd female judges are reffered to as my Lord. the law is blind to Islam as it it to Christianity and Judaism and ol of 'em. to do odawise will. be damaging

lonelydora:
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Sikay19:
Just like you obviously disgrace your generation with this comment

you should direct that acknowledgment to the fridau abi wetin be her name that counted herself out when all her peers are celebrating the hard labour of 5yrs


this is a public forum where everyone is entitled to air his/her opinion. so what's the stigma here, if you are mentally OK?


being a Muslim and using hijab. what effect has it brought to the development of Nigeria? muslim practices dominate northern side but yet they have the majority of poor people in Nigeria


of what use is that hijab to humanity and human race?

Geist:
Why then does it need to change? Just because the dress code was inherited?

The dress code is silly.

Why the wig? What does it signify? Why the robe inside heat? Black robe again that does not do well in heated places.

Apart from been a non-moslem... I strongly condemn this act of hers' ... its a bad precedence she is about to set, later someone would come in white garment and says she wants to be called to bar. Let her go to Hague and complain. Nothing would be done about it.

BabaCommander:
Could be, but this case is about a constitutional cum universal right..

Mynd44:
The dress code is silly.

Why the wig? What does it signify? Why the robe inside heat? Black robe again that does not do well in heated places.

LoL, you do have a point but perhaps the NBA does have answers to these many why

Mynd44:
"During this exercise" does not meam capturing. It means during the exercise of the call to bar.

Must one start shouting now?

Whatever the case mynd law school In their own words with out knownv did recognise hijab infact they unknowingly went ahead to explain what is expected of ladies in hijab I.e ears out ..
Aa far as am concerned inshaa Allah. We will win

the funny thing people don't realize is that to fight this cause properly the girl needs to be called to the Bar first. If her name is not enrolled at the Supreme Court she is not yet a lawyer. Hence she can't claim any rights. Even if u pass it the bar finals, the body of benchers may still not call you to the bar, you must be a "fit and proper" person to be so called.
The Nigerian bar is a voluntary Organisation only its members can demand for a change.
She should oblige the bar for one day or wait till the rule is changed to suit her.

My two kobo.

Mynd44:
There is a dress code, she knows about this code, did not fight it, she willingly registered to become a lawyer under this set of codes and she signed up without issues and then decide to start a fight in the end.

If you knew you won't be able to keep the laws, why did you apply?

Muslims as a principle do not work in alcohol companies but she wants to prove a point

i posted this on the thread you ignored:

in Nigeria, the Rule of Professional Conduct for the legal profession Rule 6(b) provides;

While the court is in session, a lawyer should not assume an undignified posture, and should not, without the judge’s permission, remove his wig and gown in the courtroom. He should always be attired in a proper and dignified manner, and abstain from apparel or ornament calculated to attract attention to himself.

From the clear wordings of the above Rules of Professional Conduct, it is clear that no particular dress code was specified by the Rules. The Rules appear to have been lifted in Toto from the Code of Conduct of England and Wales which never spelt out what a Barrister’s dress code should be; it only stated “Respectable dress”.

The Nigeria Council of Legal Education on its establishment has tried to spell out in clear terms, what the dress code of lawyers should be like. The Nigeria Law School Code of Conduct Rule 29(a) provides:

He should be well-dressed at all times. The regulation on dress for male students is dark suits, white shirts, black ties (not bow tie), black socks and black shoes with white breast pocket, handkerchiefs, and striped black trousers may be worn under dark jackets Rule 2(b) of the said Code of Conduct further stipulated the dressing code for females as: For female students, white blouse, dark jacket and black skirts, covering knees (dark suit) or dark ladies and black shoes are to be worn. There should be no embroidery and trimmings of any type, and only moderate jewellery.

A look at the rule of professional conduct for legal practitioner (The Rules) 2007 will show rule 36 stipulates that:
(1) Except with the permission of the Court, a lawyer appearing before a High Court, the Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court shall do so in his robes.
(2) A lawyer shall not wear the Barrister’s or Senior Advocate’s robe —–
(a) on any occasion other than in Court except as may be directed or permitted by the bar Council; or
(b) When conducting his own case as party to a legal proceeding in Court; or
(c) When giving evidence in a legal proceeding in Court.

The Nigerian Law School Code of Conduct, further stated in Rule 2(b), that at all law dinners, students must be punctual, and be in regulation dress; it further stated that at call to bar ceremonies, qualified students must wear regulation dress and also the Wig, Winged collar and Bids or Collarette and Barristers’ Gown. Finally, the rule concluded by stating that the above mode of dressing is mandatory for both male and female, while at the law school and other extra curricula activities, and when called to the Bar, and attendance at magistrate and all superior courts.

From all indications, it is clear that the above cited Code of Conduct of the Nigerian Law School legally institutionalized the use of dress code in the legal profession in Nigeria.
There was an instance where a judge refused to hear out a female lawyer because she was putting on a bright coloured blouse under her gown. Does this denial of appearance not amount to a infringement of her client’s right to fair hearing?

It is noteworthy that the Nigerian Law School Code of Conduct did not stipulate any punishment for non conformity with the Code.

Firstly, it should be noted, right away, that in England wig and gown are still being retained because they distinguish a barrister from a solicitor; the former is entitled to appear in court fully robed while a solicitor does not enjoy such privilege. Secondly, the protagonists of the retention of wig and gown in England also argue that it suits the climatic condition of England and Wales. Thirdly, they argue that it confers dignity and solemnity on court proceedings. Fourthly, wigs according to them lend anonymity in highly charged criminal cases.

Finally, they claim that it obscures the differences of age and gender, and consequently serves as equalizer in a profession dominated by men.

In Nigeria, the first and second reasons do not apply because every legal practitioner, by virtue of being called to the Bar, is an advocate and solicitor of Supreme Court of Nigeria.

Therefore, here in Nigeria, the need for the wig and gown to distinguish the ‘barrister’ from ‘solicitor’ does not arise. Secondly, the climatic condition in Nigeria does not need to be further compounded with English dress code and its other paraphernalia. It is interesting to note that already in England, there have been several moves in the past to do away with the lawyer’s wig and gown.

http://accesstojustice-ng.org/Rules%20of%20Professional%20Conduct%20For%20Legal%20Practitioners,%202007.pdf

Adebowale89:
you should direct that acknowledgment to the fridau abi wetin be her name that counted herself out when all her peers are celebrating the hard labour of 5yrs


this is a public forum where everyone is entitled to air his/her opinion. so what's the stigma here, if you are mentally OK?


being a Muslim and using hijab. what effect has it brought to the development in Nigeria? muslim practices dominate northern side but yet they have the majority of poor people in Nigeria


of what use is that hijab to humanity and human race?

Good! Since its if no use to humanity that means its so irrelevant that our wearing it should not affect any archaic practice introduced by British since 19 koro koro

nothing here on dress code except

Courtroom Decorum
36.
When in the courtroom, a lawyer shall
-
(a) be attired in a proper or
dignified manner and shall not wear any apparel or
ornament calculated to attract attention to himself.
(b) conduct himself with decency and decorum, and observe the customs, conduct and
code of behaviour of the court and custom of practice at t
he bar with respect to
appearances, dress, manners and courtesy;
(c) rise when addressing or being addressed by the Judge;
(d) address his objections, requests, arguments, and observations to the Judge and
shall not engage in the ex
change of banter, personality display, arguments or
controversy with the opposing lawyer;
(e) not engage in undignified or discourteous conduct which is degrading to a court or
tribunal; and
(f) not remain within the Bar or wear the law
yer’s robes when conducting a case in
which he is a party or giving evidence

Lawyer’s robes
45. (1) Except with the permission of the Court, a lawyer appearing before a High court, the Court of Appeal or the Supreme Court shall do so in his robes.
(2) A lawyer shall not wear the Barrister’s or Senior Advocate’s robe -
(a) on any occasion other than in Court except as may be directed or permitted by the Bar Council; or
(b) when conducting his own case as party to a legal proceeding in Court; or
(c) giving evidence in a legal proceeding in Court.

lazygal:
Good! Since its if no use to humanity that means its so irrelevant that our wearing it should not affect any archaic practice introduced by British since 19 koro koro

if other religions can abide with the rules and regulations of the school of law system, why should Muslim own be different


are you people saying you're more human than other people practicing other religions?

Mynd44:
Answer this simple question.

The National Mosque is built by the FG right?

Can I express my freedom of expression in terms of clothing and wear my shoes into the Mosque? Simple question

doing that will still be against the constitution, it's our right to ensure compliance With our religion doctrine, as long as it's legal.

cooljoe:
dearly beloved,No they can't tuck it neatly as she did. they will wear it in the manner their various religions allow, just as d moslem girl has worn hers in a manner islam allows. the tin is d law is blind to ol ds tins, no religion,No sex,No notn. both men and women are refferd to as Gentlemen at d bar, both male nd female judges are reffered to as my Lord. the law is blind to Islam as it it to Christianity and Judaism and ol of 'em. to do odawise will. be damaging

Hijab denotes covering and Firdausi was well covered and at same time dressed as required that's all that matters to me .
For other religions,let them face the music if they. Wish to u don't care if they Wear It as required

Mynd44:
Answer this simple question.

The National Mosque is built by the FG right?

Can I express my freedom of expression in terms of clothing and wear my shoes into the Mosque? Simple question

doing that will still be against the constitution, it's our right to ensure compliance With our religion doctrine, as long as it's legal. Nigerian law has not forbid hijab in any institution

Nice judicial precedent with a good ratio decidendi.

lazygal:
Hijab denotes covering and Firdausi was well covered and at same time dressed as required that's all that matters to me .
For other religions,let them face the music if they. Wish to u don't care if they Wear It as required

darlin dear, it doesn't work that way

Mynd44:
https://mobile.facebook.com/ylfikdbranch/posts/1338720136235551?_rdc=1&_rdr

The use of wig and gown is not a regulation of the Nigerian Bar Association which is voluntary to the general public but mandatory to all lawyers.

The regulating body for call to bar is the Council of Legal Education which is a body created by law.

Mynd44:
https://mobile.facebook.com/ylfikdbranch/posts/1338720136235551?_rdc=1&_rdr

as the time the issue happened she was still an aspirant to the Bar and not a lawyer yet I don't think this is applicable to her..she was still outside, trying to gain access ..

babaskool:
This matter is actually very simple and straightforward than it is being made to be.
Firstly Miss Firdaus get yourself a good lawyer, instruct him to bring an application for enforcement of your fundamental rights via the FREP rules 2009.

One of the prayers you would be seeking as a relief is that the actions of staff of the council of legal education on the day of your call to bar infringed on your right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion

Please remind your lawyer to be reasonable and only ask that you may be called at the next call to bar which is April 2018.

Also please tell him to institute your case in the Federal High court and should only make a case against the council of legal education and not the body of benchers (the body is the highest supreme body in the land ) they might feel offended

Kind regards
Akinola Samuel Eluyefa

. Let us bet here the outcome of the case.it will be thrown out by every court.she is not denied being called ,she deliberately made herself uncallable.let us bet.

lazygal:
Hijab denotes covering and Firdausi was well covered and at same time dressed as required that's all that matters to me .
For other religions,let them face the music if they. Wish to u don't care if they Wear It as required

If everybody in the world does only what matters to him/her and doesn't care about others then we won't need laws, rules and regulations and you know what that means.

TheAdvocate:
The use of wig and gown is not a regulation of the Nigerian Bar Association which is voluntary to the general public but mandatory to all lawyers.

The regulating body for call to bar is the Council of Legal Education which is a body created by law.

I've given up trying to explain to the best of my limited knowledge, people would rather believe whatever suits their present narrative over facts.

Mynd44:
This is a screenshot of the regulation saying that the hijab is npt allowed.

Fight the system, go against the dress code.

Do not try to change one part of it to suit you.

This issue is not sensitive, it is straight forward

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6423860_img20171215130304_jpeg943fe2e5180d630037890b569c423f54

for a person like you [who i have a lot of respect for] ,i would expect a link to the FULL REGULATION, not a snip some mischevious person posted on twitter.

for all you know, that could be a secondary schools dress code.

as per the 'capturing' that is a requirement for any id exercise be it passport, drivers license, id card

Mynd44:
The dress code is silly.

Why the wig? What does it signify? Why the robe inside heat? Black robe again that does not do well in heated places.

The best thing is just to relax and liberalise the dress code in our courtrooms. Even countries with cold weather are already doing away with that archaic dress, cos suit would do just fine. It is Africans that got stuck with the shameful relic of colonialism. It is so uncomfortable being in that mobile bakery of a cloth.

That lady on the other hand is probably just an attention seeker (I may be wrong though). Popularity is good for business. Everyone is talking about her, meaning more clients.

@mynd44

http://www.lawschoollagos.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/code-of-conduct-for-law-students-lagos-campus.pdf

2.0 DRESSING:
All students must be well dressed at all times in Regulation Wear.
2.1 MALE: Dark suit, white shirt, black tie (not bow tie), white breast pocket handkerchief (optional), black socks and black shoes (Sandals are not allowed).
During hot weather, male students may be permitted to wear white long sleeve shirts with black tie, black trousers (charcoal grey or dark blue may be allowed) and black shoes to class.
2.2 FEMALE: Dark gown or dark suit, (Black, dark blue or charcoal grey), white blouse, (not translucent or Tee- shirts), black skirt covering the knees and black covered shoes (Sandals, lace ups or peep toes are not allowed). There should be no embroidery and or trimmings of any type on the gown, suit or blouse; and only moderate jewelry should be worn- (No large dangling or coloured earrings, or bracelets are allowed). Also, coloured hair attachment, coloured braids, glitters or colouring of any type in the hair is prohibited.
During hot weather, female students may be permitted to wear plain white blouses (not translucent), not tee-shirts, black skirts covering the knee (charcoal grey or dark blue may be permitted) and black covered shoes to the class.
2.3 ALL Gowns and Skirts –
(a) Must be graceful, but not cling provocatively to the body;
(b) Must not be above the knee; and
(c) Must not have high slits (i.e. above the knee); and only at the back.

2.4 ALL Blouses or Shirts –
(a). Must be graceful, but not cling provocatively to the body;
(a) Must not be transparent; and
(c). Must not expose sensitive parts of the body i.e. it must not expose your cleavage,upper arm, stomach and/or navel.
• The above mode of dressing is mandatory for both male and female Students for attending lectures and other extra Curricula activities, and for attendance at Magistrate Courts and all Superior Courts.

so where did your screenshot regulation come from?


http://legallyengaged.com.ng/2017/06/13/overview-timeline-of-the-nigerian-law-school/#1497075688534-30450559-29f7

Students at the Nigerian Law School are required to be dressed in ‘regulation wear’. Males are to be dressed in a dark (black is safest) trouser suit, with a white shirt, black tie and black office shoes. The collarless shirt informally known as “Lawyer’s Shirt” is not allowed as it is not possible to wear a tie on it. Note that it is not compulsory to wear a jacket or suit to class.

Females are permitted to wear plain dark dresses (with visible sleeves) or skirt suits with a plain white shirt, blouse or camisole and proper office shoes. Skirts and dresses should be below the knee with small slits, and jewelry should be small and moderate. Coloured hair is not allowed. Note that it is not compulsory to wear a jacket to class.

Members of staff stand watch at the entrances of classrooms to turn back students who are not dressed accordingly.

Before a student is called to the Nigerian Bar, he must attend three law dinners; all three are usually held before the Call to Bar ceremony. A few days before the first dinner, students are typically given a crash course on etiquette and table manners.

The dress code must be strictly adhered to at these dinners and we find that the wardens are stricter in their enforcement of the dress code policy – guys have been turned back for not wearing socks!

The dress code is pretty much the normal, except students must wear a suit and ladies are not permitted to wear hair extensions of any sort. This means no wig, attachments, etc. – yes it makes no sense to us either!

As for the food actually served, it’s nothing to write about.

Punctuality is taken very seriously at the Law Dinners as you must be seated in the Dining Room 30 minutes before the arrival of the Body of Benchers (the group of high ranking legal practitioners and Justices responsible for admitting new members into the legal profession). There have been instances where people were not called to bar for failing to keep a single dining term!

She has violated no law.

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Mynd44:
I have said and will keep saying that you guys are just being myopic and bringing your religious sentiments into things

This is a clear issue which shoukd make everyone push for changes in the actions of the law school and ask for a total overhaul of the dresscode totally but you want to make it an Islam thing.

See how far it goes

Overhaul of which dress code? Did Firdaus tell you she was ignorant of the dress code for lawyers, when she joined the faculty of law in her university, or when she attended law school? Why is she now complaining about a dress code that must have been clearly explained to her over the years?

If they are going to overhaul the dress code, they should overhaul it to ensure that Christians, Atheists, Traditionalists, LGBT community members etc., who are lawyers can wear what they like to court, and whatever they desire to call to bar ceremonies. They must allow them to wear jeans, sutana etc. Finish...!

Bimpe29:
She has violated no law.

She violated the dress code regulations for lawyers as specified by the Council for Legal Education.

oyb:
@mynd44

http://www.lawschoollagos.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/code-of-conduct-for-law-students-lagos-campus.pdf

so where did your screenshot regulation come from?

http://legallyengaged.com.ng/2017/06/13/overview-timeline-of-the-nigerian-law-school/#1497075688534-30450559-29f7

Oga, you did not address your post to me, but curiosity made me intervene. I read through everything you posted, and there was nowhere in the article you cited, which shows that hijab is allowed to be worn as an item of clothing (in addition to the wig and gown), by female Muslim lawyers while appearing in court. Abi, you sef no check am?

Vivere:
She violated the dress code regulations for lawyers as specified by the Council for Legal Education.

babaskool:
This matter is actually very simple and straightforward than it is being made to be.
Firstly Miss Firdaus get yourself a good lawyer, instruct him to bring an application for enforcement of your fundamental rights via the FREP rules 2009.

One of the prayers you would be seeking as a relief is that the actions of staff of the council of legal education on the day of your call to bar infringed on your right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion

Please remind your lawyer to be reasonable and only ask that you may be called at the next call to bar which is April 2018.

Also please tell him to institute your case in the Federal High court and should only make a case against the council of legal education and not the body of benchers (the body is the highest supreme body in the land ) they might feel offended

Kind regards
Akinola Samuel Eluyefa

Every Right has a limitation even the Right to Life.

Right to Association or Religion means that no one can force you to accept Islam,. Christianity or Traditional Religion, it must be by your choice.

Right to Religion cannot afford you disobedience to the Rules of CLE made pursuant to an ACT of FRN.

You can only win, if CLE or the NLS management says as a Muslim, you must go to worship in the NLS Chapel & that if you don't, you won't be called to the bar.

That's two leg. Forcing a religion on you & also denying you of a privilege predicated upon the former.

Many thanks.

NB.

CLE - Council of Legal Education
NLS. Nigeria Law School
ACT : the law that brought CLE & NLS into being
FRN: Federal Republic of Nigeria.