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Statsocial:
lol i dont even give the freeze and his minions much attention.

It is always easier to know when the devil is campaigning. Once i saw Atheists, Muslims and some Judases in the Church agreeing with Freeze i knew it could never be to the benefit of Christ or His Church. Am i supposed to be so naive to believe Atheist and Muslims are trying to sanitize the church of God.

As i would always say the debate between the Serpent And Eve accurately describes what is happening to the church today. They are talking as if they have us at heart or are in love with us so much that they don't want us cheated but their will is that our churches must crumble-what better way for it to crumble than for it to be defunded. but just like Eve many are carried away without really knowing the motivation behind those who are arguing against the church. If Eve was aware of the Devil's will for her offsprings and humanity she would have run without her legs touching the ground but unfortunately she debated and ended up trading the lives of billions of her offsprings that would walk the earth. She thought she was only being ENLIGHTENED.

So I don't care how beautiful or reasonable your argument is. Once I can't clarify your interest or motives then I'm not interested in debating or arguing.

When I meet my true siblings in Christ in our Churches or homes who I am sure her lovers of Christ and his Church then I can unload all the explanations I have. There I would be willing to learn. Then I can express my reservations if any. Then I can take criticisms of the Church because I know it is coming from the heart of a true worshipper not someone that probably has not stepped into a church in five years and his online foot soldiers that are most likely inspired by the Devil and his Demons.

As i have said before and i would reiterate i would rather run the risk of being defrauded than my church crumbling. The TREASURE of a MAN lies where his HEART his-Jesus Christ.

Brilliant and insightful piece.

Statsocial:
lol i dont even give the freeze and his minions much attention.

It is always easier to know when the devil is campaigning. Once i saw Atheists, Muslims and some Judases in the Church agreeing with Freeze i knew it could never be to the benefit of Christ or His Church. Am i supposed to be so naive to believe Atheist and Muslims are trying to sanitize the church of God.

As i would always say the debate between the Serpent And Eve accurately describes what is happening to the church today. They are talking as if they have us at heart or are in love with us so much that they don't want us cheated but their will is that our churches must crumble-what better way for it to crumble than for it to be defunded. but just like Eve many are carried away without really knowing the motivation behind those who are arguing against the church. If Eve was aware of the Devil's will for her offsprings and humanity she would have run without her legs touching the ground but unfortunately she debated and ended up trading the lives of billions of her offsprings that would walk the earth. She thought she was only being ENLIGHTENED.

So I don't care how beautiful or reasonable your argument is. Once I can't clarify your interest or motives then I'm not interested in debating or arguing.

When I meet my true siblings in Christ in our Churches or homes who I am sure her lovers of Christ and his Church then I can unload all the explanations I have. There I would be willing to learn. Then I can express my reservations if any. Then I can take criticisms of the Church because I know it is coming from the heart of a true worshipper not someone that probably has not stepped into a church in five years and his online foot soldiers that are most likely inspired by the Devil and his Demons.

As i have said before and i would reiterate i would rather run the risk of being defrauded than my church crumbling. The TREASURE of a MAN lies where his HEART his-Jesus Christ.

Wow i love this. God bless you

OBIGS:
you are confused. spweing trash u know you can't defend. receive sense before this year end.

So, i have to defend myself from a boy who is still eating from his parents pot when i'm paying tithe with my own hard earned money?

You dey craze abi.

Statsocial:
lol i dont even give the freeze and his minions much attention.

It is always easier to know when the devil is campaigning. Once i saw Atheists, Muslims and some Judases in the Church agreeing with Freeze i knew it could never be to the benefit of Christ or His Church. Am i supposed to be so naive to believe Atheist and Muslims are trying to sanitize the church of God.

As i would always say the debate between the Serpent And Eve accurately describes what is happening to the church today. They are talking as if they have us at heart or are in love with us so much that they don't want us cheated but their will is that our churches must crumble-what better way for it to crumble than for it to be defunded. but just like Eve many are carried away without really knowing the motivation behind those who are arguing against the church. If Eve was aware of the Devil's will for her offsprings and humanity she would have run without her legs touching the ground but unfortunately she debated and ended up trading the lives of billions of her offsprings that would walk the earth. She thought she was only being ENLIGHTENED.

So I don't care how beautiful or reasonable your argument is. Once I can't clarify your interest or motives then I'm not interested in debating or arguing.

When I meet my true siblings in Christ in our Churches or homes who I am sure her lovers of Christ and his Church then I can unload all the explanations I have. There I would be willing to learn. Then I can express my reservations if any. Then I can take criticisms of the Church because I know it is coming from the heart of a true worshipper not someone that probably has not stepped into a church in five years and his online foot soldiers that are most likely inspired by the Devil and his Demons.

As i have said before and i would reiterate i would rather run the risk of being defrauded than my church crumbling. The TREASURE of a MAN lies where his HEART his-Jesus Christ.

Ur problem is this, u have been following a tradition for long and someone comes from no where and tells u to change, its quite difficult to accept d new rule.

God have used murderers, mad men and sinners to teach in d past so it's not a new thing, even Paul killed Christians.
At this point even if Jesus comes down and tell u not to tithe u won't listen.
I am not asking u to stop paying tithe, it's just 10% no biggie, but for those pastors that knows the truth and understand the teaching Jesus gave us but insist on defrauding people i ll let God judge them.

Bollinger:
Yup , he is rich because you are s.tupid

Yeap. Is it your stupidity? Am a sheep, you are a goat, face your front.

analize701:
Yeap. Is it your stupidity?
Am a sheep, you are a goat, face your front.

Can't. S.tupid people fascinate me. Trying to figure out how their minds work.

Statsocial:
lol i dont even give the freeze and his minions much attention.

It is always easier to know when the devil is campaigning. Once i saw Atheists, Muslims and some Judases in the Church agreeing with Freeze i knew it could never be to the benefit of Christ or His Church. Am i supposed to be so naive to believe Atheist and Muslims are trying to sanitize the church of God.

As i would always say the debate between the Serpent And Eve accurately describes what is happening to the church today. They are talking as if they have us at heart or are in love with us so much that they don't want us cheated but their will is that our churches must crumble-what better way for it to crumble than for it to be defunded. but just like Eve many are carried away without really knowing the motivation behind those who are arguing against the church. If Eve was aware of the Devil's will for her offsprings and humanity she would have run without her legs touching the ground but unfortunately she debated and ended up trading the lives of billions of her offsprings that would walk the earth. She thought she was only being ENLIGHTENED.

So I don't care how beautiful or reasonable your argument is. Once I can't clarify your interest or motives then I'm not interested in debating or arguing.

When I meet my true siblings in Christ in our Churches or homes who I am sure her lovers of Christ and his Church then I can unload all the explanations I have. There I would be willing to learn. Then I can express my reservations if any. Then I can take criticisms of the Church because I know it is coming from the heart of a true worshipper not someone that probably has not stepped into a church in five years and his online foot soldiers that are most likely inspired by the Devil and his Demons.

As i have said before and i would reiterate i would rather run the risk of being defrauded than my church crumbling. The TREASURE of a MAN lies where his HEART his-Jesus Christ.

I love u....

analize701:
So, i have to defend myself from a boy who is still eating from his parents pot when i'm paying tithe with my own hard earned money?

You dey craze abi.

you get problem. But your the one defending tithes. I wanted you to give me vivid reason why I still need to continue paying tithes. But I guess freeze is right

i go always see my mama pot as number1. Na her food sweet pass

Eke40seven:
Malachi wasn't talking to Christians. Malachi admonished the Levites to bring the tithes to the storehouse. The storehouse is a silo in the temple where the grain and food were suppose to be stored.
Keep ignoring the facts.
It's almost impossible trying to get you to speak the truth.
You are not a Levite, even today the Israelites that were directly instructed in tithe payment can't establish that there exists a pure Levite anymore and thus can't even pay tithe. Na one man from Ijebu ode come fit collect tithe?
Did Jesus a non-levite receive tithes?
Did peter a non Levite receive tithes?
Did Paul receive tithes?
If not, where did you get your doctrine from?

Every Scripture in the bible is talking to christians. So stop the self deceit
2 peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Tim 3:16
All scripture( whether in the old or new testament) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Rom 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime(paul refering to the scriptures in the old testament) were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope

Are you so ignorant to understand the above verse.... you are funny try to deceive yourself that the tithing scripture is not applicable to modern day Christians and believers. Big fat lie from the pit of hell.

If the Apostles or Jesus receive tithe.. we are not told that they did..but how can we know if they did...by taking a cue from Heb 7:8.. Paul, the chiefest of the Apostles validating tithing...Heb 7:8 it stated clearly that "And here men(God ordained servants of God) that die receive tithes; but there he( the resurrected Jesus Christ) receiveth them(your tithe you pay in church), of whom it is witnessed that he liveth".

The levite is a priesthood office God commanded the tithe to be brought to. Who is a priest. Remember..Abraham paid tithe to Melchisedeck..who is a high priest of the most high God.
Now who are the modern day priest? They the men of God called into the the 5 fold ministry offices of Pastors, Prophet, Teachers, Evangelist and Apostles.

Who are the modern day priest? From Mal 2:7..we see a priest as also defined as a man who carries the knowledge of God to feed God's people with, Which in modern day Christianity are Pastors, Teachers, Apostle and prophets who teach the God's word to the people of God in church as directed by God now comparing that with Jer 3:15. We see pastors are asked to feed the people of God with the knowledge of God. So priest are pastors also. So trying to confuse yourself on who are the priest or Levite and who is not can't achieve anything.
Remember Jesus is the high priest presently sitted on the right hand of God -Heb 4:15.That is why paul said in Heb 7:8when tithes are brought to the men that die( the priest) receive them, in heaven also Jesus.(the high priest himself) also receives them.

Jesus Speaking on tithing validating it in Matt 23:23(NLT)
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Untill you are able to bring scriptures instructing tithing as not to be done as contrary to what is in the scriptures. You are yarning garbage.Tithing is commanded of God and should be done by a christisn though not by force but its important to enjoy certain blessings associated with tithing as stated by God himself in Mal 3:14-15.



Let me give you my spiritual experience of tithing.
When I lived in France during my Masters studies. I was on scholarship. I receive my monthly allowance in Euros. But then as a Winner member. I worshiped online. Then i will pay the tithe of my allowance by converting the Euros to Pounds bècause it seems convenient and I paid the equivalent of my tithe in Pounds as at that time.
My elder sis dreamt one day and said she saw an angel come and take some money from my hand and ascended to heaven but the money was in pounds and she was suprised that how come, that i dont spend pounds here in France, how come there were pounds in my hand. Later when i returned back to 9ja.. my sister and I got talking and told me the vision and I told her i pay my tithe in pounds so she understood why the angel took pounds from my hand. Then it dawn on me oh my tithe that i pay in church is also recorded by heaven as shown in Heb 7:8. That experience encourage me to continue tithing and i am not likely to stop forever.

I will not go back and forth with you on this tithing matter. I believe in tithing and will continue. If you dont. No wahala.It is well.

bezimo:
Every Scripture in the bible is talking to christians. So stop the self deceit
2 peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Tim 3:16
All scripture( whether in the old or new testament) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Rom 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime(paul refering to the scriptures in the old testament) were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope

Are you so ignorant to undertand the above verse.... you are funny try to deceive yourself that the tithing scripture is not applicable to modern day Christians and believers. Big fat lie from the pit of hell.

If the Apostles or Jesus receive tithe.. we are not told that they did..but how can we know if they did...by taking a cue from Heb 7:8.. Paul, the chiefest of the Apostles validating tithing...Heb 7:8 it stated clearly that "And here men(God ordained servants of God) that die receive tithes; but there he( the resurrected Jesus Christ) receiveth them(your tithe you pay in church), of whom it is witnessed that he liveth".

The levite is a priesthood office God commanded the tithe to be brought to. Who is a priest. Remember..Abraham paid tithe to Melchisedeck..who is a high priest of the most high God.
Now who are the mosern day priest? They the men of God called into the the 5 fold ministry offices of Pastors, Prophet, teachers, evangelist and Apostles.

Who are the modern day priest? From Mal 2:7..we see a priest as also defined as a man who carries the knowledge of God to feed God's people with, Which in modern day Christianity are Pastors, Teachers, Apostle and prophets who teach the God's word to the people of God in church as directed by God now comparing that with Jer 3:15. We see pastors are asked to feed the people of God with the knowledge of God. So priest are pastors also. So trying to confuse yourself on who are the priest and who is not can't achieve anything.
Remember Jesus is the high priest presently sitted on the right hand of God.Heb 4:15.That is why paul said in Heb 7:8when tithes are brought to the men that die( the priest) receive them, in heaven also Jesus.. the high priest himself also receives them)

Jesus Speaking on tithing validating it in Matt 23:23(NLT)
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Untill you are able to bring scriptures instructing tithing as not be done as contrary to what is in the scriptures. You are yarning garbage.Tithing is commanded of God and should be done by a christisn though not by force but its important to enjoy certain blessings associated with tithing as stated by God himself in Mal 3:14-15.

But you have not quoted one in the new testaments nor any new testament practice that supports tithing.
Answer this question: Did Jesus receive tithes?
Did peter and any of the disciples receive tithes
The Paul you quoted hammered on the only acceptable type of giving but you won't talk about it.. did he receive tithes?
If these people that gave the guideline for Christianity didn't then why do you modern Pentecostal Christians?
Just answer the questions above:
Then meditate on the following.

2. The most well known passage on tithing comes from the Old Testament book of Malachi 3:7-10. This Scripture has given rise to the practice of “Storehouse Tithing.” Simply stated, the congregation is exhorted from the pulpit to channel all of their Christian giving through the local church (storehouse). If they wish to give to a Christian organization, radio or television broadcast, etc., it must go through their denominational machinery in order for the local church to get “credit.” Also the pastor and elders often must make the determination if the cause supported by the giver is “worthy.”

3. This use of the Malachi passage is a good example of Scripture being taken out of its historical and dispensational context. “This whole nation” in verse 9 is the backslidden nation of Israel, NOT the present day church (Malachi 1:1; 3:6). They were under the law of Moses as a system of conditional blessing. Believers today are not under the law but under grace (Romans 6:14). As such we have already been blessed by God with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ (Ephesians 1:3) and are under a system of unconditional blessing with grace on the throne (Romans 5:21).

4. This should put an end to the common charge that believers who don’t tithe are “robbing God” and will be “cursed with a curse.” The storehouse mentioned in verse 10 is not a local church but a storage bin or silo in the Jewish temple where the grain from the Hebrew’s tithes was stored (2 Chronicles 31:4-12).

5. Under the law only agricultural products were tithed. They included grain, fruit, and livestock. Only products produced within the boundaries of the land of Israel were to be tithed. Jews living in Gentile lands were exempt (Leviticus 27:30-34).

6.Others exempt from the tithing law included the hired hands, fishermen, miners, lumber workers, construction workers, soldiers, weavers, potters, manufacturers, merchants, government workers, and priests. In short, all who were not farmers were exempt.

7.A farmer with only 9 cattle did not tithe because the law specified the “tenth which passeth under the rod.” Likewise a farmer with 19 sheep paid only 1 sheep to the Lord’s tithe.

8. The Jewish farmers in the land could redeem (buy back) the tithes of their crops with a penalty of one fifth. In other words, if a farmer wishes to keep his tithe of grain worth $1,000, he could pay the cash equivalent of $1,200 (Leviticus 27:31).

9.Livestock could not be brought back nor could the farmer exchange a good animal for a bad one or vice versa. Any attempt to substitute any other animal other than the tenth which passed under the rod would be penalized by the farmer forfeiting both the tenth and its substitute (Leviticus 27:33).

10.God ordained the Levites to be the ones to whom the tithe was paid (Numbers 18:21). They were one of the 12 tribes of Israel to whom no inheritance was given in the land. The Lord Himself and the tithes of the children of Israel was their inheritance. It was used for the service of the tabernacle (later the temple) (Numbers 18:20-28).

11. It was unlawful for anyone outside of the tribe of Levi to receive the tithe, such as prophets, preachers, kings or evangelists.

12. The Levites paid one tenth of their tithes to the high priest. Not all Levites were priests but only the sons of Aaron. The priests did not tithe.

13. The Lord Jesus Christ did not ask for or receive a tithe for support of His ministry. Being of the tribe of Judah (not Levi) He could not without breaking the law (Hebrews 7:14; Revelation 5:5).
Neither Peter (not of the tribe of Levi) nor Paul (of the tribe of Benjamin) could receive tithes for the support of their ministries.

14. Even the Jews do not practice tithing today because there are no Levites, priests, or temple worship in Jerusalem. Jewish rabbis know biblical law well enough to know that tithing under the present circumstances is unlawful. According to them, when the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem with a consecrated altar with priests and Levites officiating, all Jews living within the biblical tithing zones will tithe.

15. Some Christian ministries today continue to support tithing, using the argument that it predates Moses and the law. But this reasoning is not valid, for the Sabbath also predates the giving of the law (Exodus 16:23-29) and yet it is not binding on God’s people today (Romans 14:5,6; Galatians 4:9,10; Colossians 2:16,17).

17. According to Deuteronomy 14:22,23,28; 26:12; and Amos 4:4, the tithe was only given every three years. Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec, king of Salem, but this was the spoils of war, not the legalistic tithe of the land which Moses commanded. Also, God did not command the tithe, Abraham chose to give it of his own free will (Genesis 14:17-23; Hebrews 7:1-10).

18. The only other scriptural reference to tithing before Moses is Jacob. Again there is no command to tithe. In fact Jacob puts up numerous conditions to be met before he will pay the tithe to the Lord (Genesis 28:20-22).

19. The biblical references which address the tithing issues are: Genesis 14:20; 28:22; Leviticus 27:30-32; Numbers 18:20-28; Deuteronomy 12:6,11,17; 14:22,23,28; 26:12; 2 Chronicles 31:5,6,12; Amos 4:4; Malachi 3:8-10; Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; 18:12; Hebrews 7:5-9. 1

20. Paul the apostle to the Gentiles for this present dispensation of Grace does not mention tithing but says a great deal about Christian giving. Romans 15:25,26; 1 Corinthians 9:7-14; 16:1-3; 2 Corinthians chapters 8 & 9; Galatians 6:6-10; Philippians 4:10-19; 1 Timothy 5:9-18.
Notes:

According to Deuteronomy 14:22,23,28; 26:12; and Amos 4:4, the tithe was only given every three years

OBIGS:
you get problem. But your the one defending tithes. I wanted you to give me vivid reason why I still need to continue paying tithes. But I guess freeze is right

i go always see my mama pot as number1. Na her food sweet pass

Lolzzz,boy move along

Bollinger:
Can't. S.tupid people fascinate me. Trying to figure out how their minds work.

Proudly stupid. Are you happy now?

Now, move along.

Statsocial:
Though he doesn't take profits but the proceeds of his books alone would buy your entire ancestral community. The tapes he has sold may buy your entire local govt

Disclaimer: I titled this ''oyedepo's house'' not mansion. This is certainly not a Mansion o unless you haven't seen what a mansion looks like.

But the man himself said he hasnt made kobo from his books.

Why are you making excuses for him?

analize701:
Lolzzz,boy move along

only if you see me and still feel you can call me a boy.

analize701:
Don't mind satan disguising as Freeze.

A Sheep follows the Shepherd.

Jesus says, My sheep will hear my voice and they shall follow me, the voice of the stranger (FREEZE) they will not hear. Meaning, anyone who hears Freezes voice, is not Jesus' follower.


***Proudly sheeple***



Oyedepo chop my money.


You Must to chop my money.

Is Oyedepo and Jesus thesame person? Smh

analize701:
Proudly stupid. Are you happy now?

Now, move along.

Not really. Still trying to figure out how one can be poor UT is still willing to donate money to fraudsters.

xo he is usin the members head to make money building duplex for himself. purpose for tithe paying? bruh get sense or try borrow one

Bollinger:
Not really. Still trying to figure out how one can be poor UT is still willing to donate money to fraudsters.

Na your money?

MusicSots:
Is Oyedepo and Jesus thesame person? Smh

One is the master of the other.

OBIGS:
only if you see me and still feel you can call me a boy.

Whatever, just love along.

analize701:
Na your money?

No. It is just a symptom of why Nigeria is phucked up. I know you invested heavily in MMM and said the same thing? "Na your money"? Poverty is a terrible thing

Statsocial:
The authority of the Church lies in the Leaders and not the Members. Whatever they decide is good and fine.

No, Mr "Christian", the authority of a church lies with Christ Jesus and his Word.

It is not what members say; it is what Christ Jesus and God his Father say that matters, except if your gathering is not to and for God.

And God the Father chose levites to collect tithe because levites don't have any property or earthly belongings.

Or are you saying the words of your church members and that of your pastors now supersede that of God in your church?

analize701:
One is the master of the other.

Why not connect yourself to the true master and be free from paying middlemen your add-earned money.

Okoyeeboz:
Is that all? Oyedepo says this, Papa says that.

Deluded mediocre quoting a man instead of the Bible. I don't blame most of you, you're biblical blockheads who stand for nothing but fall for anything.

Oyedepo has positioned his son as head of his church business in the UK, his wife deputises for him here, his son in law is his PA. Don't go and plan your life, keep waiting for surplus food.

Hungry hypocrites everywhere.

Now I know you're among those that made Jesus to weep in the Book of John for your ignorance......

I pray you also see the light at the end of the tunnel....

Bollinger:
You assume I believe in any rubbish god. My god is math, science, logic, probability and common sense. Unlike you, I expect bad things to happen. It's normal. I don't blame the devil. I buy insurance to minimize the impact of whatever bad thing happened. You people will not go for medical check ups but when you drop dead your family will blame the devil . Is that not insane? You will not have insurance but when you get in an accident you will say god will provide. Is that not madness? Guy, you better wake and understand how life really works.

while you're free to operate in the natural, why are you criticising those that choose to operate in the HEAVENLY......

AndrewFarms:
while you're free to operate in the natural, why are you criticising those that choose to operate in the HEAVENLY......

In the heavenly? You mean in the gullible don't you?

analize701:
Whatever, just love along.

love kee.. You dey confuse ooo

janeade:
I love dis

You are blessed.

ivolt:

Delusion grandeur, money is never made from thin air or through wishes
or prayer, you either work for it or shave it off another person.
If you are aware of any church involved in printing or creating money, let us know.
Those MOGs are rich because people donate the money they are supposed
to keep or invest to the MOG in exchange for phantom spiritual reward.

The five loaves of bread and two fishes that the boy gave to be multiplied actually should have been invested by the boy to his stomach na.
The alabaster box that prostitute broke on Jesus should have been sold and invested na.
That woman that cooked her last meal and gave to Elijah, should have invested it Abi.
This thing about giving to the ministry is a spiritual things and can only be understood by spiritually minded people.
The mistake you and other Christians make is that you don't know how to give, why you give and the essence of giving.
We give not because we want blessings. We are blessed already. We give because we love God and He owns all of us.

OBIGS:
love kee.. You dey confuse ooo

I meant to say, Just move along. lol.
See this one.