Emyogalanya:
NO MIND THAT GUY LIFE LONG VOW OF CELIBACY AND A MAN CAME FOR YOUR HAND IN MARRIAGE YOU ACCEPTED HIM BECAUSE MARRIAGE WILL HELP YOU FULFIL THAT VOW. AND SAME FOR JOSEPH TOO? DID HE ALSO TAKE A SIMILAR VOW TOO? AND WENT ON TO MARRY A WOMAN TO HELP HIM ACHIEVE HIS VOW? THESE GUYS ARE TERRIBLE LIARS. THE REASONABLE THING IS TO AVOID MARRIAGE IF YOU TOOK A VOW OF CELIBACY

And it is reasonable to you that a Virgin would conceive?
And it reasonable to you that a Son would give His mother to another person to take care off while He has blood brothers?
And in Hosea 1:2 it reasonable that God would tell a prophet to marry a prostitute?
The ways of God are not ours, Is 55:8
This the summary if you want take it or leave it.
Mary(and Joseph) had taken vows to be Virgins for the sake of the Kingdom, but God directed through various means for them to get married. The purpose was for the Blessed Virgin Mary to be Mother Jesus, and Joseph to be his guardian and protector of the Mary.


" Protestant Reformers themselves—Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli believed Mary was perpetually a Virgin" The Church Fathers believed same. Councils that approved the bible to be the inspired Word of God did not have problem with the teaching . But those who have lost the oral tradition of Christianity believe something else . Goodluck to them.



Haven't you heard Christ say people can chose to be Eunuchs (Virgins) for the Kingdom of God(Mt 19:12)?

And where does the Bible say something must be explicitly written (Sola Scriptura)?

Rather Jesus told His apostles he who hears you hears me (Lk 10:16),and in another place he said "go and preach to the world" (Mk 16:15 & Mt 28:19)(not go and write to the world, writing is part of communication not all of communication) .
Mk 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
And Paul said in another place whatever you hear from me in Word or in Writing (Phil 4:9),

Philippians 4:9New International Version (NIV)
9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

And 2Tim 2:2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

The point here is that Christian Tradition does not subsist in what is written alone but includes oral handing over of the message to the next generation and the council of the Apostles(Acts 15 the first council of the Church). The canon of the Bible was accepted over 300AD in one of such councils of the Church.
Now those who lost the oral part of Christian Tradition preach Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone).

If writing(the written word of God) which is important is the only source of Jesus words. Jesus won't say who ever hears you hears me Lk(10:16). And John 21:25 would not allude to the fact that everything is not written in the bible. How many of the Twelve apostles wrote books (of course we wish they did).


Now food for thought (John 19:26-27)
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. and to the disciple, "Here is your mother." From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

Could Jesus take his mother and give to John, if he was not the only Child?

Remember this is the Gospel of John, so John is saying that from that time on (not temporarily), he took Mary now His Mother to his home.

So to you it is impossible for the womb where the Holy Ghost worked wonders to be left intact, where God the Son ,He whom through all things were created (including that blessed womb), He who walked on water, who transfigured on Mount Tabor, the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega dwelt for nine months to be left intact?

If you had the chance to create your own Mother, what wonders wont your perform? (Ex20:12"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.)

God gave clear instructions how the Ark of the Covenant was to be built Ex 25:10-22. Now what the ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant(Heb9:4) . You know numerous wonders that accompanied the Ark.
Definitely, greater wonders would accompany the Ark not built by human hands but God's hands. Greater wonders would accompany the New Ark which was not carrying a shadow of what was to come but the fulfillment, Jesus Christ Himself.

Psalm 87:3. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God.

Jesus dwelt in this womb for nine months, why wouldn't glorious things be spoken of her?

Elizabeth in Luke1:43 said "And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "

The Lord has done great things to her Lk 1:49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.

2 Chronicles 6:41
"Now therefore arise, O LORD God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.

Who are you to question to Most High?

MosesAlex:
So to you it is impossible for the womb where the Holy Ghost worked wonders to be left intact, where God the Son ,He whom through all things were created (including that blessed womb), He who walked on water, who transfigured on Mount Tabor, the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega dwelt for nine months to be left intact?

If you had the chance to create your own Mother, what wonders wont your perform? (Ex20:12"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.)

God gave clear instructions how the Ark of the Covenant was to be built Ex 25:10-22. Now what the ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant(Heb9:4) . You know numerous wonders that accompanied the Ark.
Definitely, greater wonders would accompany the Ark not built by human hands but God's hands. Greater wonders would accompany the New Ark which was not carrying a shadow of what was to come but the fulfillment, Jesus Christ Himself.

Psalm 87:3. Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God.

Jesus dwelt in this womb for nine months, why wouldn't glorious things be spoken of her?

Elizabeth in Luke1:43 said "And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? "

The Lord has done great things to her Lk 1:49 Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name.

2 Chronicles 6:41
"Now therefore arise, O LORD God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.

Who are you to question to Most High?

Just curious. Did the early Christians worship Mary as the Chatholics do today? Any evidence?

MosesAlex A Man Married A Woman And You Are Here Telling Me That Its A Sin For Him To Meet That Same Woman. WHERE DID YOU SEE THEM TAKE THE VOW. YOU THINK MARY IS THE ONLY VIRGIN AT THAT TIME? AND WHATS THE BIG DEAL IN A VIRGIN CONCEIVING? WAIT TILL YOU HEAR ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION. VIRGIN OR NO VIRGIN EXTRA CHILD OR NOT DOES IT REDUCE THE POWER OF CHRIST AS SAVIOUR? NO. WHEN MY DAD DIED WE THE CHILDREN WERE NOT AROUND SO THAT MEANS WE ARE NOT HIS CHILDREN. SO IF MY DAD CALL ANY YOUNG MAN SAYING MY SON GIVE ME WATER AND BEFORE HE CAME AROUND HE DIED IT THEN MEANS HE HAS HANDED OVER THE WHOLE HOUSE TO HIM? INCLUDING MY MUM? DID THE APOSTLE TELL YOU HE IS MOTHERLESS DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT JESUS WAS SEEN AS ENEMY OF THE STATE AS SUCH NO ONE COULD ASSOCIATE WITH HIM. AS EVEN HIS ARMSTLES RAN AWAY EVEN IN OUR CONTEMPORARY LIFE ITS EASIER FOR WOMEN TO COME CLOSE DID YOU ALSO NOTE THAT ONLY WOMEN FOLLOWED HIM TO THE PLACE COS NO MAN COULD DARE CONFRONT SOLDIERS BUT WOMEN COULD HENCE THE ABSENSE OF HIS BROTHERS

Investnow2017:


Just curious. Did the early Christians worship Mary as the Chatholics do today? Any evidence?

Did the Isrealites ever worship the Ark of Covenant? The answer is no.

Did they reverence it ? The answer is a resounding yes.

Same with Catholics . Luke 1:48 All generations would call her blessed. Yes even the generation of the early Christians called her blessed.

So are you among the generations that would call her blessed? If you are not , something is wrong .

Emyogalanya:
WHERE DID YOU SEE THEM TAKE THE VOW.

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The Church which is the pillar of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) told me . Same Church that approved the bible and told us believe the bible.

YOU THINK MARY IS THE ONLY VIRGIN AT THAT TIME? AND WHATS THE BIG DEAL IN A VIRGIN CONCEIVING? WAIT TILL YOU HEAR ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION. VIRGIN OR NO VIRGIN EXTRA CHILD OR NOT DOES IT REDUCE THE POWER OF CHRIST AS SAVIOUR?

Does it occur to you, the mystery that happened at the Incarnation? The Word becoming Flesh? That you compare it with AI

NO. WHEN MY DAD DIED WE THE CHILDREN WERE NOT AROUND SO THAT MEANS WE ARE NOT HIS CHILDREN. SO IF MY DAD CALL ANY YOUNG MAN SAYING MY SON GIVE ME WATER AND BEFORE HE CAME AROUND HE DIED IT THEN MEANS HE HAS HANDED OVER THE WHOLE HOUSE TO HIM? INCLUDING MY MUM? DID THE APOSTLE TELL YOU HE IS MOTHERLESS DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT JESUS WAS SEEN AS ENEMY OF THE STATE AS SUCH NO ONE COULD ASSOCIATE WITH HIM. AS EVEN HIS ARMSTLES RAN AWAY EVEN IN OUR CONTEMPORARY LIFE ITS EASIER FOR WOMEN TO COME CLOSE DID YOU ALSO NOTE THAT ONLY WOMEN FOLLOWED HIM TO THE PLACE COS NO MAN COULD DARE CONFRONT SOLDIERS BUT WOMEN COULD HENCE THE ABSENSE OF HIS BROTHERS

The account written by John was written several years after the Crucifixion. John said from then He took Mary to his home. Read the account again. John 19:26-27

Mosesalex I Thought You Said Jesus He Has Relatives So Why The Apostle Took Her To His Own Home What Happened To Joseph, His Family Members Etc

Emyogalanya:
Mosesalex I Thought You Said Jesus He Has Relatives So Why The Apostle Took Her To His Own Home What Happened To Joseph, His Family Members Etc

Joseph was not mentioned of in adult life of Jesus (apart from when they asked is this not the carpenter's son) so it is that the died before Jesus public ministry.
So why did the relatives take her instead to their home?

Let us look at the passage, note the bolded.

John 19:26-27 (A book can be written on this two verses alone, I am sure many have been written)
When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

Jesus had a special love for John, the beloved. Now Jesus was leaving, He placed her in the hands of his beloved disciple to take care of her as his mother.
Also note the language Jesus used "Behold thy Mother" That is more of a declaration.
Our Jesus, by giving her as a mother to John, gave her also as a mother to all who believe in him, who become children of God, and are not born of flesh and blood, or of the will of man, but of God. This is why we call her Mother Mary.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Have you asked why did all the apostle flee? Even John ran away at the Garden of Gethsemane. But was present at the Crucifixion?
Have you asked why all the apostles were martyred but John died a natural death?
Have why Our Jesus called his mother "Woman"? Gen 3:15, John 2:4, Rev 12:1-17

Matthew 13:55-56
55 Is not this the carpenter’s Son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
56 And do not all His sisters live here among us? Where then did this Man get all this?

The Bible is clear enough . Let’s not complicate it. Jesus had brothers and sisters born by mary. She was only a Virgin before christ was born

Mosesalex Now I'm Not Against Her Being The Mother Of The Church Thats What She Is As The Church Is The Body Of Christ. But Thats Where It Ends John Was RepresentiNg The Church. John Was Not A Member Of Joseph's Family And Has No Right Over Her As Much As There Are Living Relatives Which You Guys Say Are Jesus Cousins But At The Time Of His Death Lets Assume That Joseph Had Died And Mary Is Now A Widow. Do You Know That The bible Has Laws RegardinG WidowS And Laws Concerning Inheritance Of Properties (Widows Inclusive) Thats The Law Of The Redeeming Relative. Read The Book Of ruth. John Only Accepted Her On Behalf Of The Church And Not As The Traditional custodian And Inheritor From Joseph. And Before You Tell Me How Its Old Testament Note That Paul Says In The Book Of galatians That " In The Fulness Of Time God Sent His Son Born Of A Woman Under The Law" And Jesus Said The Law Is Not abolished By Him

MOSESALEX YOU CLAIM HE HANDED OVER TO JOHN THE BELOVED. WHERE WAS THIS JOHN IN GALATIANS 1;9 WHERE PAUL SAID HE DID NOT SEE ANY OTHER APOSTLE EXCEPT JAMES THE LORD'S BROTHER. AND YET THIS EPISODE HAPPENED MANY YEARS AFTER JESUS DEATH AND RISING FROM DEATH AND THE BIBLE WRITTEN 300 YEARS LATER AND YET THEY KEPT SIMPLE DETAILS LIKE THIS. THERE WERE MANY JUDAS IN THE BIBLE BUT THE BIBLE CAREFULLY DISTINGUISH THEM WITH THE TRAITOR OR ISI-CARROT

Mosesalex One Day You Will Also Say She Did Not cook And SweEP House For Joseph Or She No Even Tie Towel For chest Go Take bAth For Joseph's House. Cos You Were Living With Them As A Matter Of Fact You Think They Have Already Programme Mary Like robot. The Church Was Not Even In Existence When All This Happened The Direct People On Ground When It Happened Wrote Down What They Saw And Now One Pope Will Tell You Its Not So

Emyogalanya:
Mosesalex Now I'm Not Against Her Being The Mother Of The Church Thats What She Is As The Church Is The Body Of Christ. But Thats Where It Ends John Was RepresentiNg The Church. John Was Not A Member Of Joseph's Family And Has No Right Over Her As Much As There Are Living Relatives Which You Guys Say Are Jesus Cousins But At The Time Of His Death Lets Assume That Joseph Had Died And Mary Is Now A Widow. Do You Know That The bible Has Laws RegardinG WidowS And Laws Concerning Inheritance Of Properties (Widows Inclusive) Thats The Law Of The Redeeming Relative. Read The Book Of ruth. John Only Accepted Her On Behalf Of The Church And Not As The Traditional custodian And Inheritor From Joseph. And Before You Tell Me How Its Old Testament Note That Paul Says In The Book Of galatians That " In The Fulness Of Time God Sent His Son Born Of A Woman Under The Law" And Jesus Said The Law Is Not abolished By Him

Have you head of this beautiful woman Anna in Luke2:36-37. There was also a prophetess named Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, who was well along in years. She had been married for seven years, and then was a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left the temple, but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying.

Emyogalanya:
MOSESALEX YOU CLAIM HE HANDED OVER TO JOHN THE BELOVED. WHERE WAS THIS JOHN IN GALATIANS 1;9 WHERE PAUL SAID HE DID NOT SEE ANY OTHER APOSTLE EXCEPT JAMES THE LORD'S BROTHER. AND YET THIS EPISODE HAPPENED MANY YEARS AFTER JESUS DEATH AND RISING FROM DEATH AND THE BIBLE WRITTEN 300 YEARS LATER AND YET THEY KEPT SIMPLE DETAILS LIKE THIS. THERE WERE MANY JUDAS IN THE BIBLE BUT THE BIBLE CAREFULLY DISTINGUISH THEM WITH THE TRAITOR OR ISI-CARROT

You can take out time to read about the history of how we got the bible. It is good we have an idea

MosesAlex:


Have you head of this beautiful woman Anna in Luke2:36-37. There was also a prophetess named Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, who was well along in years. She had been married for seven years, and then was a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left the temple, but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying.

WHAT HAS ANN GOT TO DO WITH WHAT YOU QUOTED

MosesAlex:


You can take out time to read about the history of how we got the bible. It is good we have an idea

IT DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. I ASKED WHO WAS PAUL REFERING TO AS THE LORD'S BROTHER IN GAL 1 V 19. AS FOR ME READING HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE. IS IT HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE THAT WILL SHOW BETTER THAN THE BIBLE. I DO NOT NEGATE THE MAGISTARIUM OF THE CHURCH. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US IS THAT I BASE MY ARGUEMENTON BIBLE WRITERS WHO WERE CONTEMPORARIES OF JESUS WHO SAW HIM ATE WITH HIM PLAYED WITH HIM LIVED WITH HIM AND KNEW HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND RELATIONS WHEREAS YOU BASE YOURS ON BIBLE SCHOLARS BORN OVER 300 AFTER CHRIST. BETWEEN THESE TWO SCHOOL OF THOUGHT WHO DO YOU THINK WILL PRESENT A MORE ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF JESUS HISTORY. LEST I FORGET I'M PROUDLY ROMAN CATHOLIC

Emyogalanya:
IT DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. G ASKED WHO WAS PAUL REFERING TO AS THE LORD'S BROTHER IN GAL 1 V 9. AS FOR ME READING HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE. IS IT HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE THAT WILL SHOW BETTER THAN THE BIBLE. I DO NOT NEGATE THE MAGISTARIUM OF THE CHURCH. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US IS THAT I BASE MY ARGUEMENTON BIBLE WRITERS WHO WERE CONTEMPORARIES OF JESUS WHO SAW HIM ATE WITH HIM PLAYED WITH HIM LIVED WITH HIM AND KNEW HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND RELATIONS WHEREAS YOU BASE YOURS ON BIBLE SCHOLARS BORN OVER 300 AFTER CHRIST. BETWEEN THESE TWO SCHOOL OF THOUGHT WHO DO YOU THINK WILL PRESENT A MORE ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF JESUS HISTORY. LEST I FORGET I'M PROUDLY ROMAN CATHOLIC

Paul was referring to the Apostle James son of Alpheus also known as James the less (either because he was younger or had a smaller stature than James Son of Zebedee, who was the first of apostles to be martyred)
At the foot of the cross (read Mk 15:40& John 19:25) you would were his mother (Mary of Cleopas) was said to be the Sister of the blessed Virgin Mary.
The verse says Mary of Cleopas is mother of James the less and Joseph.
Mt 13:55 lists the brothers of Jesus as James, Joseph, Simon and Jude.
Luke 6:16 and Jude1.1 says James and Jude are brothers
These are the brothers (relatives)

Emyogalanya:
IT DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. G ASKED WHO WAS PAUL REFERING TO AS THE LORD'S BROTHER IN GAL 1 V 9. AS FOR ME READING HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE. IS IT HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE THAT WILL SHOW BETTER THAN THE BIBLE. I DO NOT NEGATE THE MAGISTARIUM OF THE CHURCH. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US IS THAT I BASE MY ARGUEMENTON BIBLE WRITERS WHO WERE CONTEMPORARIES OF JESUS WHO SAW HIM ATE WITH HIM PLAYED WITH HIM LIVED WITH HIM AND KNEW HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND RELATIONS WHEREAS YOU BASE YOURS ON BIBLE SCHOLARS BORN OVER 300 AFTER CHRIST. BETWEEN THESE TWO SCHOOL OF THOUGHT WHO DO YOU THINK WILL PRESENT A MORE ACCURATE ACCOUNT OF JESUS HISTORY. LEST I FORGET I'M PROUDLY ROMAN CATHOLIC

Paul was referring to the Apostle James son of Alpheus also known as James the less (either because he was younger or had a smaller stature than James Son of Zebedee, who was the first of apostles to be martyred)
At the foot of the cross (read Mk 15:40& John 19:25) you would were his mother (Mary of Cleopas) was said to be the Sister of the blessed Virgin Mary.
The verse says Mary of Cleopas is mother of James the less and Joseph.
Mt 13:55 lists the brothers of Jesus as James, Joseph, Simon and Jude.
Luke 6:16 and Jude1.1 says James and Jude are brothers
These are the brothers (relatives)


Those who were there 300AD have letters of those who were 80AD,100AD etc to use to judge things

MosesAlex:

Paul was referring to the Apostle James son of Alpheus also known as James the less (either because he was younger or had a smaller stature than James Son of Zebedee, who was the first of apostles to be martyred)
At the foot of the cross (read Mk 15:40& John 19:25) you would were his mother (Mary of Cleopas) was said to be the Sister of the blessed Virgin Mary.
The verse says Mary of Cleopas is mother of James the less and Joseph.
Mt 13:55 lists the brothers of Jesus as James, Joseph, Simon and Jude.
Luke 6:16 and Jude1.1 says James and Jude are brothers
These are the brothers (relatives)


Those who were there 300AD have letters of those who were 80AD,100AD etc to use to judge things

THESE LETTERS HAPPEN TO BE THE SAME BIBLE YOU QUOTE FROM AND IN THEM THEY SHOW JESUS DID HAVE BROTHERS

MosesAlex:

Paul was referring to the Apostle James son of Alpheus also known as James the less (either because he was younger or had a smaller stature than James Son of Zebedee, who was the first of apostles to be martyred)
At the foot of the cross (read Mk 15:40& John 19:25) you would were his mother (Mary of Cleopas) was said to be the Sister of the blessed Virgin Mary.
The verse says Mary of Cleopas is mother of James the less and Joseph.
Mt 13:55 lists the brothers of Jesus as James, Joseph, Simon and Jude.
Luke 6:16 and Jude1.1 says James and Jude are brothers
These are the brothers (relatives)


Those who were there 300AD have letters of those who were 80AD,100AD etc to use to judge things

I'LL TELL YOU WHY AND HOW THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY CREPT INTO THE CHURCH

Emyogalanya:
THESE LETTERS HAPPEN TO BE THE SAME BIBLE YOU QUOTE FROM AND IN THEM THEY SHOW JESUS DID HAVE BROTHERS

Not all the documents(books) made it to the Bible. Even though some of the books in bible quoted from the ones that did not make it.
Example is Jude1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

You would not find the above quote in book of St. Jude anywhere in the old testament but in the book of Enoch. This book didn't make it to the Bible

Emyogalanya:
I'LL TELL YOU WHY AND HOW THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY CREPT INTO THE CHURCH

It never crept into the Church. It has always been there. My question to you brother. Is such a wonder impossible to God?

Jesus who said he can even raise stones to worship Lk19:40 or Mt3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Is 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

My dear, Nothing is impossible to God

MosesAlex:

Not all the documents(books) made it to the Bible. Even though some of the books in bible quoted from the ones that did not make it.
Example is Jude1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

BOOK OF enoch? The CanOn Of The Old Testament Is Diff From That Of The New Testament. If Such Book Exist The Canon Do The Apostle Have Power To Cannoise The Old Testament? Whose Authenticity Has Been Established Befor Christ Came They Were Already In Use. Granted That Some Books From The Apostle's ( gospel Of Thomas) Did Not Make It Into The New Testament So What Your Now Saying Is That A Book That Was Not Considered eligible By CannoNical Standard hence Its Removal Is What You Now Use As YardsTiCK For Eternal Virginity. If It Teach About It Why Did They Remove It From The Bible Only One Reason ; Cos It Is Heresy And Falsehood

MosesAlex:

It never crept into the Church. It has always been there. My question to you brother. Is such a wonder impossible to God?

Jesus who said he can even raise stones to worship Lk19:40 or Mt3:9
And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

Is 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

My dear, Nothing is impossible to God

ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD. BUT MY POINT IS THIS ITS NOT GOD THAT IS INVOLVED HERE IT IS JOSEPH AND MARY LIVING IN THE SAME ROOM FOR 12 TO ALMOST 30 YEARS AND YOU ARE SAYING HE DID NOT TOUCH HER IS MARY NOW A SPIRIT. YOU SHE DON'T EVEN REMOVE HER CLOTHS TO BATH USING TOWEL AND THEY DID NOT LIE ON THE SAME BED TOGETHER YOU JUST MADE A GODESS OF MARY

Emyogalanya:
ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD. BUT MY POINT IS THIS ITS NOT GOD THAT IS INVOLVED HERE IT IS JOSEPH AND MARY LIVING IN THE SAME ROOM FOR 12 TO ALMOST 30 YEARS AND YOU ARE SAYING HE DID NOT TOUCH HER IS MARY NOW A SPIRIT. YOU SHE DON'T EVEN REMOVE HER CLOTHS TO BATH USING TOWEL AND THEY DID NOT LIE ON THE SAME BED TOGETHER YOU JUST MADE A GODESS OF MARY

The point you are missing is the purpose their marriage is to take of Jesus. Our Lord is involved here. Mary would have been stoned if she took in without a husband. Jesus would have been seen as a bastard (God forbid).

Must everyone live in one room apartment? Don't we have 2bedroom apartments today? .

The issue of making Mary a goddess is a lie from our and her adversary the devil. (Read Gen 3:15_and Rev12: 1-17)

Have not seen how I have been magnifying the power of God (Lk 1:46) as we discuss? The glory goes to God, for He that is mighty has done great things . Check Lk 1:49 The bible used plural "great things".

Emyogalanya:
BOOK OF enoch? The CanOn Of The Old Testament Is Diff From That Of The New Testament. If Such Book Exist The Canon Do The Apostle Have Power To Cannoise The Old Testament? Whose Authenticity Has Been Established Befor Christ Came They Were Already In Use. Granted That Some Books From The Apostle's ( gospel Of Thomas) Did Not Make It Into The New Testament So What Your Now Saying Is That A Book That Was Not Considered eligible By CannoNical Standard hence Its Removal Is What You Now Use As YardsTiCK For Eternal Virginity. If It Teach About It Why Did They Remove It From The Bible Only One Reason ; Cos It Is Heresy And Falsehood

That some letters or books didn't make to the Bible does not mean they are all false. John said in John21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
But those of ages would have more resources than us. Both oral and written truths.

MosesAlex:

That some letters or books didn't make to the Bible does not mean they are all false. John said in John21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
But those of ages would have more resources than us. Both oral and written truths.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER ITS NOT AN ARTICLE OF FAITH HENCE ITS ABSENCE FROM THE 'APOSTLE'S CREED OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT BELIEF PERPETUAL VIRGINITY IS CRITERIA FOR ENTERING HEAVEN. THAT JESUS DO OTHER THIS WHICH ARE NOT RECORD THATS BETWEEN BOOK OF JOHN ACCOUNT OF JESUS. WHAT DO YOU NOW SAY OF LUKE. MIND YOU ONCE THE CANON REJECTS A BOOK ITS ENTIRE CONTENTS STANDS REJECTED. HOW DOES IT SOUND LOGICAL TO YOU THAT A BOOK THAT COULD NOT MEET UP TO CANNOICAL STANDARD SHOULD NOW BE USE AS YARDSTICK TO DETERMINE AND UNREVEALED TRUTH. THE FIRST THING TO DO IS TO CANNOISE THEM AS WAS DONE TO DEUTROCANONICAL BOOKS

MosesAlex:


The point you are missing is the purpose their marriage is to take of Jesus. Our Lord is involved here. Mary would have been stoned if she took in without a husband. Jesus would have been seen as a bastard (God forbid).

Must everyone live in one room apartment? Don't we have 2bedroom apartments today? .

The issue of making Mary a goddess is a lie from our and her adversary the devil. (Read Gen 3:15_and Rev12: 1-17)

Have not seen how I have been magnifying the power of God (Lk 1:46) as we discuss? The glory goes to God, for He that is mighty has done great things . Check Lk 1:49 The bible used plural "great things".

YOU MISS IT THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIER MARRIAGE. RATHER GOD USED THE PERSONS IN THE MARRIAGE JOSEPH HAS ALREADY ENGAGE MARY. WILL HE BE TAKING A WIFE HAVING TAKEN A VOW OF CHASTITY LIKEWISE MARY? CHASTITY VOW IS DIFF FROM CELIBACY VOW WHILE CHASTITY VOW STOPS AT MARRIAGE IN CELIBACY VOW YOU DO NOT MARRY AT ALL LIKE JEHOSAPHAT DAUGHTER

Emyogalanya:
YOU MISS IT THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIER MARRIAGE. RATHER GOD USED THE PERSONS IN THE MARRIAGE JOSEPH HAS ALREADY ENGAGE MARY. WILL HE BE TAKING A WIFE HAVING TAKEN A VOW OF CHASTITY LIKEWISE MARY? CHASTITY VOW IS DIFF FROM CELIBACY VOW WHILE CHASTITY VOW STOPS AT MARRIAGE IN CELIBACY VOW YOU DO NOT MARRY AT ALL LIKE JEHOSAPHAT DAUGHTER

Let me use Abraham as an example (for scripture profits for instruction,2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Abraham prayed for a heir, he was promised that his descendants would be numerous. Yet when the heir came God asked for the heir to be sacrificed. This was a trial for Abraham. But He was faithful. God rewarded Abraham for His faith

Now vows can be made in public or in the privacy of your room. You can tell God you won't marry or be a virgin for the sake of the Kingdom in private, and for several years as you grow older. Until the time comes for the public vow.

For example Samuel ( 1Samuel 3) was in the temple from the age of 3. And when the time comes like when Samuel heard God's voice and had to go and meet Eli. And Eli explained to him that it was God calling.

Staying in temple was also available to females. Remember Anna the prophetess of Lk 2: 36

Mary grew up in the temple. And when the time came she was told by her superiors (Like Eli talking to Samuel) that God's plan for her is marriage. It was a source of trial to her like that of Abraham. Remember Anna and Simeon had been in the temple for years so they knew Mary and saw her grow up.

Mary obeyed but believed God is faithful. In her encounter with Angel Gabriel the Bible said she was troubled by what he was saying (Lk 1:29)not of his presence. He explained to her that the power of the Most High would do it. And she assented "Behold the handmaid of the Lord let it be done to me according to you word"

And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us. John 1:14

The rest is history. She is Virgin and She is Mother. Her vow Virginity remained intact. God Almighty worked His wonders.

What is most important here is for us to imitate what is beautiful. St Paul said in Phil4:9
Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me--put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.
So somethings we can learn from Mary.
1.Faith: Having strong faith in God.
2. Submission to God's wiil. And availability to be an instrument of God.
3. Courage
4. The Angel told her , the Lord is with you, this was even before the Word was made Flesh. (Similar to what the angel told Gideon Judges 6:12) . Is the Lord with us?
5. She was full of grace as the Angel said. Are we full of grace, holiness or filled with filth, unrighteousness etc?)
6. Rejoicing with the good that happens to Our neighbor
7. Being of help to people, she remained with Elizabeth from her sixth month to her ninth month.
8.She had to be a prayerful person to be full of grace and for the Lord to be with her. Jesus was described by John as being full of grace and Truth John 1:14. Like Mother like Son
9. She ponders on God's words , do we make time for scripture reading
10. When Elizabeth filled with the Holy Ghost said how is it that the Mother my Lord would visit me. Mary glorified God in return.

Peace be with you!

Mosesalex There Were No Married People Under Vow Even In Aincient Israel. You Only Have People That Do Something Similar To Daughter Of jephtha's In The Book Of Judges But They Don't Get Married Judges 11 ; 34 ~ 40

Emyogalanya:
HER PARENTS NAME IS ANN AND JOACHIM. WAIT O DID YOU SAY SHE TOOK A VOW OF LIFE LONG VIRGINITY YET JOSEPH CAME TO SEEK FOR HER HAND IN MARRIAGE AND SHE ACCEPTED IS MARRIAGE A PLACE TO FULFIL SUCH VOW? OK ALLOW OUR PRIEST TO MARRY SO THEY CAN BE CELIBATE IN MARRIAGE AND LETS SEE

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MY BROTHER I'M A CATHOLIC O BUT I DO NOT TAKE WRONG TEACHING