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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Sanctus1(m): 3:58pm On Jan 03, 2018
LagosismyHome:


i tire for the person undecided

I understand what you guys are saying but was just trying to make a valid point here. we are here to learn from each other
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by TWoods(m): 4:05pm On Jan 03, 2018
Chukason1:


Thanks big time ... But can any of this process grant a permanent residence

Yes.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by TWoods(m): 4:10pm On Jan 03, 2018
Ijebuboy525:
Good morning fams, my school resumes on January 10, but I intend leaving Nigeria on 11th for a personal reason, I want to know if I won't have issues at the POE

Lagosismyhome
Bigfrancis21
Twoods

You will surely be turned back unless you have a new i20 allowing you to start school later than Jan 10.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Olasunkey: 4:11pm On Jan 03, 2018
gbollytee:
Thanks. I went there today and it was there. Gracias
can I pm you
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by gbaby4live: 4:11pm On Jan 03, 2018
LagosismyHome:


hummm your village people should free you ooo .........pele . This would have been one stressful journey

Thankfully a lot of things are electronic so might be easier than previous years to retrive and get temp replacement . The school would be the best to guide you on how to sort out school matter and also opening bank account or other functions that needs a passport . You can only take it one step at a time and with time it resolves itself . Work closely with the school ... If you need a Visa stamp , then check canada or mexico after you get another Nigerian passport . That ticket might be cheaper than going to Nigeria . but that if you really need it

at the same time, contact all the places you went through Airtran , airport . Call them and ask for their lost and found section. Also stay in touch for up to 2 - 4 months and keep calling incase someone returns it ....... I once left a camera on the train , which was painful to me because it had pictures of my family visit . i left my contact with the train station and kept following up . 2 months later when i have forgotten about it , i got a call that the camera has been found. That only happened because i stayed in touch and left my details . I was so grateful because those pictures were not replaceable

All them this village people sha..

Already left my contact details with them and I'm hoping to hear good news from them.

Thanks for the Canada and Mexico option, I really appreciate it.

Yea, my school told me to show up so they can help me process few documents that I'll be using till I hv my new passport in case I didn't see it..

Thank you so much smiley

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Shittu76: 5:01pm On Jan 03, 2018
Hi VO,complement of the season.

Goes my worried,

I filled my ds-160 myself and I was not aware of the information to put on the US Contact Information so I put a friend contact information and I even indicate that the relationship of the counter person is FRIEND instead of putting the school info.In this case what should I say if questions comes on it .


Looking forward to mind settling responds.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Olasunkey: 5:31pm On Jan 03, 2018
I have been a silent followers since over 4 months now and I came across nairaland when I was making research on some visa stuffs and I just continuing reading it every day….
Special thanks to olumighty who help me paid my sevis fee and so to those who transcript I read here.
Visa Delayed…..: Dec 7th 6:30am
Visa Approved…..:Dec 29th 9:30am

My story goes like this,
I choose La Roche College as my school of choice and my major is Biochemistry with the aim of goin for forensic courses….
I applied for interview on the 7th after which I was denied by the Vo all she said first was this school has an acceptance rate of 94% and denied me I was confused and I promise to refire after 3 days I paid for another appointment… then the earlier date I saw was Jan 14th so I book emergency appointment and got Dec 29th ……….. lets go to the main deal..
On the 29th I woke up in the morning around 3am and go through my points and I prayed … so by 7am I got to Orile by 7:30 and I enter CMS I got to CMS by 8:10 na so me and my dad drop as we no know road to embassy with the hope of asking for road and we my dad dey ask for road na so one man come met me show me ID card say let me see what you carry I was like shey this one mad nii I quickly call my dad he con say he be police after 5mins of argument we give am he con check and he saw my dad SOA and he was like this is OLUWOLE DOCS, all my brain don scatter I forget everything I read becuz I no cram and its going 9am already and I have appointment for 9:30 no time to go bank go dey confirm… so my dad settle am like 1k after making calls……… got to the embassy by 9:15 I enter… thank God people Plenty so I just organize myself …. After all so we cue for line and we remain like 15 people to be interview the day was a blue paper day … so the CGI guy just direct 2 guy and me say make we go new window , the man doing biometric was the one who want to interview us……….
The man was very very friendly and lively .. the 2 guys b4 me he approved them both but he can type for Africa … so he remain my turn..
Vo: Good Morning, How are you today?
ME: Good morning sir, I’m Fine and how about yourself?
Vo: I’m good, pass me your docs and I did
Vo: then he type for like 2mins and said where are you going to?
ME: I’m going to La Roche college, Pittsburgh Pennsylvania to pursue my bachelor’s degree in Biochem
Vo: then he type for like 3mins again and said Major Chemistry and I said No sir it’s Biochem
Vo: I see you just finished High school and I said yes sir, let me see your Transcript
Me: I shocked and said I don’t have my transcript here sir, I have my WAEC Cert and he said just show me something and I gave it to him a then he types again..
Vo: what will this course do for you?
Me: It will equip me with strong foundation in chemistry and it would give me the hands on experience required to be a forensic sci and he types again
Vo: what does your dad does sorry who is paying for this
ME: My dad
Vo: what does he does
Me: he’s a fluid and pipeline Engr he works as a contractor to NNPC and Mobil then he types
VO: is it Excon Mobil I said No Mobil oil & gas and he said here in Nigeria I said Yes and he said so you have anything tp show me you have the amount stated on this i20
Me : yes and I showed him.. my dad SOA and he checked for like 2mins and types then he give me bak my Cert and sevis and i20 and he continue checking the statement and I begin pray for mind say God pls no make am put me for AP because I heard it can be frustrating and he types again …..
Vo: he gives me back the SOA and said sorry give me the i20 back and I did and he just dey fold the i20 inside my passport and begin dey say the magic words your visa is approved and you would receive an email on where to pick it and tell me I would be needing my i20 at the Poe I should keep it with me but he no give me the i20.. so I just collect my white paper and said thank you sir and leave…
But Gurus since then if I track am I dey see Administrative Processing and I’m worried and confused as my i20 resume to Jan 8th but I have a letter from the school saying I can enter up till Jan 16th ………

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Solomon27(m): 5:33pm On Jan 03, 2018
Olasunkey:
I have been a silent followers since over 4 months now and I came across nairaland when I was making research on some visa stuffs and I just continuing reading it every day….
Special thanks to olumighty who help me paid my sevis fee and so to those who transcript I read here.
Visa Delayed…..: Dec 7th 6:30am
Visa Approved…..:Dec 29th 9:30am

My story goes like this,
I choose La Roche College as my school of choice and my major is Biochemistry with the aim of goin for forensic courses….
I applied for interview on the 7th after which I was denied by the Vo all she said first was this school has an acceptance rate of 94% and denied me I was confused and I promise to refire after 3 days I paid for another appointment… then the earlier date I saw was Jan 14th so I book emergency appointment and got Dec 29th ……….. lets go to the main deal..
On the 29th I woke up in the morning around 3am and go through my points and I prayed … so by 7am I got to Orile by 7:30 and I enter CMS I got to CMS by 8:10 na so me and my dad drop as we no know road to embassy with the hope of asking for road and we my dad dey ask for road na so one man come met me show me ID card say let me see what you carry I was like shey this one mad nii I quickly call my dad he con say he be police after 5mins of argument we give am he con check and he saw my dad SOA and he was like this is OLUWOLE DOCS, all my brain don scatter I forget everything I read becuz I no cram and its going 9am already and I have appointment for 9:30 no time to go bank go dey confirm… so my dad settle am like 1k after making calls……… got to the embassy by 9:15 I enter… thank God people Plenty so I just organize myself …. After all so we cue for line and we remain like 15 people to be interview the day was a blue paper day … so the CGI guy just direct 2 guy and me say make we go new window , the man doing biometric was the one who want to interview us……….
The man was very very friendly and lively .. the 2 guys b4 me he approved them both but he can type for Africa … so he remain my turn..
Vo: Good Morning, How are you today?
ME: Good morning sir, I’m Fine and how about yourself?
Vo: I’m good, pass me your docs and I did
Vo: then he type for like 2mins and said where are you going to?
ME: I’m going to La Roche college, Pittsburgh Pennsylvania to pursue my bachelor’s degree in Biochem
Vo: then he type for like 3mins again and said Major Chemistry and I said No sir it’s Biochem
Vo: I see you just finished High school and I said yes sir, let me see your Transcript
Me: I shocked and said I don’t have my transcript here sir, I have my WAEC Cert and he said just show me something and I gave it to him a then he types again..
Vo: what will this course do for you?
Me: It will equip me with strong foundation in chemistry and it would give me the hands on experience required to be a forensic sci and he types again
Vo: what does your dad does sorry who is paying for this
ME: My dad
Vo: what does he does
Me: he’s a fluid and pipeline Engr he works as a contractor to NNPC and Mobil then he types
VO: is it Excon Mobil I said No Mobil oil & gas and he said here in Nigeria I said Yes and he said so you have anything tp show me you have the amount stated on this i20
Me : yes and I showed him.. my dad SOA and he checked for like 2mins and types then he give me bak my Cert and sevis and i20 and he continue checking the statement and I begin pray for mind say God pls no make am put me for AP because I heard it can be frustrating and he types again …..
Vo: he gives me back the SOA and said sorry give me the i20 back and I did and he just dey fold the i20 inside my passport and begin dey say the magic words your visa is approved and you would receive an email on where to pick it and tell me I would be needing my i20 at the Poe I should keep it with me but he no give me the i20.. so I just collect my white paper and said thank you sir and leave…
But Gurus since then if I track am I dey see Administrative Processing and I’m worried and confused as my i20 resume to Jan 8th but I have a letter from the school saying I can enter up till Jan 16th ………



Congrats.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by gbollytee(m): 5:51pm On Jan 03, 2018
Olasunkey:

can I pm you
Sure
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by gbollytee(m): 5:53pm On Jan 03, 2018
gbollytee:
Gurus should please advise what airline is okay to go with. I checked air maroc and i saw a schedule of almost 11hours stop over in Morocco. Is this how it is. Although i saw 4hours stop but the 11hrs stop is cheaper. Please advise and suggest other options. Thanks
Help!!!!! I need suggestions abeg
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Damilare5882(m): 6:09pm On Jan 03, 2018
imperiouxx:


Stay warm. This is cold season.
Yes sir ... i dress like an Onion ...............LOOOOOOL grin grin grin grin

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by ProfOjah1234: 6:25pm On Jan 03, 2018
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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by hayor88(m): 6:44pm On Jan 03, 2018
Olasunkey:
I have been a silent followers since over 4 months now and I came across nairaland when I was making research on some visa stuffs and I just continuing reading it every day….
Special thanks to olumighty who help me paid my sevis fee and so to those who transcript I read here.
Visa Delayed…..: Dec 7th 6:30am
Visa Approved…..:Dec 29th 9:30am

My story goes like this,
I choose La Roche College as my school of choice and my major is Biochemistry with the aim of goin for forensic courses….
I applied for interview on the 7th after which I was denied by the Vo all she said first was this school has an acceptance rate of 94% and denied me I was confused and I promise to refire after 3 days I paid for another appointment… then the earlier date I saw was Jan 14th so I book emergency appointment and got Dec 29th ……….. lets go to the main deal..
On the 29th I woke up in the morning around 3am and go through my points and I prayed … so by 7am I got to Orile by 7:30 and I enter CMS I got to CMS by 8:10 na so me and my dad drop as we no know road to embassy with the hope of asking for road and we my dad dey ask for road na so one man come met me show me ID card say let me see what you carry I was like shey this one mad nii I quickly call my dad he con say he be police after 5mins of argument we give am he con check and he saw my dad SOA and he was like this is OLUWOLE DOCS, all my brain don scatter I forget everything I read becuz I no cram and its going 9am already and I have appointment for 9:30 no time to go bank go dey confirm… so my dad settle am like 1k after making calls……… got to the embassy by 9:15 I enter… thank God people Plenty so I just organize myself …. After all so we cue for line and we remain like 15 people to be interview the day was a blue paper day … so the CGI guy just direct 2 guy and me say make we go new window , the man doing biometric was the one who want to interview us……….
The man was very very friendly and lively .. the 2 guys b4 me he approved them both but he can type for Africa … so he remain my turn..
Vo: Good Morning, How are you today?
ME: Good morning sir, I’m Fine and how about yourself?
Vo: I’m good, pass me your docs and I did
Vo: then he type for like 2mins and said where are you going to?
ME: I’m going to La Roche college, Pittsburgh Pennsylvania to pursue my bachelor’s degree in Biochem
Vo: then he type for like 3mins again and said Major Chemistry and I said No sir it’s Biochem
Vo: I see you just finished High school and I said yes sir, let me see your Transcript
Me: I shocked and said I don’t have my transcript here sir, I have my WAEC Cert and he said just show me something and I gave it to him a then he types again..
Vo: what will this course do for you?
Me: It will equip me with strong foundation in chemistry and it would give me the hands on experience required to be a forensic sci and he types again
Vo: what does your dad does sorry who is paying for this
ME: My dad
Vo: what does he does
Me: he’s a fluid and pipeline Engr he works as a contractor to NNPC and Mobil then he types
VO: is it Excon Mobil I said No Mobil oil & gas and he said here in Nigeria I said Yes and he said so you have anything tp show me you have the amount stated on this i20
Me : yes and I showed him.. my dad SOA and he checked for like 2mins and types then he give me bak my Cert and sevis and i20 and he continue checking the statement and I begin pray for mind say God pls no make am put me for AP because I heard it can be frustrating and he types again …..
Vo: he gives me back the SOA and said sorry give me the i20 back and I did and he just dey fold the i20 inside my passport and begin dey say the magic words your visa is approved and you would receive an email on where to pick it and tell me I would be needing my i20 at the Poe I should keep it with me but he no give me the i20.. so I just collect my white paper and said thank you sir and leave…
But Gurus since then if I track am I dey see Administrative Processing and I’m worried and confused as my i20 resume to Jan 8th but I have a letter from the school saying I can enter up till Jan 16th ………


bro kindly help plssssss
I requested for emergency and told I wiuld be contacted via email.....since morning I hvnt gotn any email yet......wat can I du bro? deadline date for me is jan 22......GOD BLESS
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Olasunkey: 7:10pm On Jan 03, 2018
hayor88:


bro kindly help plssssss
I requested for emergency and told I wiuld be contacted via email.....since morning I hvnt gotn any email yet......wat can I du bro? deadline date for me is jan 22......GOD BLESS
Login to your appointment booking web and if it's approved you will see it there
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by MsNas(f): 8:51pm On Jan 03, 2018
imperiouxx:
Hello guys. I'm back from my 2.5 weeks vacation to Nigeria. I don't know internet is crazily slow in Nigeria like this shocked I can count the number of times I was able to open few webpages successfully.... most times it's "Error: page cannot be found". It's discouraging to keep refreshing webpage except when it's school related.

Men, I see the reasons people thank God after getting the visa...... most people walking on the streets of Lagos are really angry..... they are not smiling because the country is not smiling at anyone anymore. Lots of gas stations with no gas. Uncountable hotels in every corner you go with lots of hustlers - girls of different shape wink Heavy traffic, smell of burning soot mixed with noises..... men, environmental pollution everywhere. Heat wave o! shocked .... my first full day in Nigeria, I showered 5 times but with time I started getting use to it and my showering cuts down to 2 per day, sometimes I do 3. I experienced excessive sweating throughout my staying. But I'm glad that I was able to make enough visits to old places and friends.

The intriguing story: so we took our traditional and white wedding to Nigeria after 3.5 years of marriage in U.S. The event was colorful and fantastic....... Lagosismyhome, it seems you know..... how? Well, three days later, I met Ojap on WhatsApp. He asked for my full name, date and place where the wedding was held. Then he said he thinks his dad attended. He sent me a photo proof and in the photo is my mom, his dad and my aunty........ his dad is my mom's younger brother (extended family).... my uncle cheesy It's so funny that Ojap and I are family. Ojap is my good friend which I met here in 2011 and our friendship offline has been great. I see the reason it's good to be good to everyone. We don't know where or how we will meet tomorrow.


Oh! Before I forget the combined shayo for these guys:

@ Damilare5882, Cephas0009, abeeolars, ahyoncolar, fisayoprisca, StackNerd, isaacology, lakreame, MissPezz, Pinkgodezz, josiahese (friend), lovelyonps, Oyin04, tosinooo, ABIM2016, Upandup, Damiflies, vikturaikay, oyeleye22, ekiee, Dupsaw, pareeHot, lydia19, Messibliss207, k199192, softamy, tomshach, Fabchiby, HST, Goodguyalways, Mandem101, Senate111, Yommex3, Jericho30, Titusnick, Eeffy, sirhamilton, Kheake, Wolexy1212, aanexplus, subset, FemiJFK, johnsonnob, MrAdelaja and goodemma20


Cheers guys!
That means I need to come and start collecting maintenance money from you then grin grin Happy Married Life

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by bushlance(m): 9:49pm On Jan 03, 2018
ehixestgratias:


Plz how did u do it? I hv tried booking an earlier date buh don't know how to go about it...thanks
Just keep trying. You might get lucky. As at yesterday earliest date dropped to 5th from 30th.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by bushlance(m): 9:58pm On Jan 03, 2018
@Time2smile please I PMed you.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Time2Smile(m): 10:00pm On Jan 03, 2018
gbaby4live:


All them this village people sha..

Already left my contact details with them and I'm hoping to hear good news from them.

Thanks for the Canada and Mexico option, I really appreciate it.

Yea, my school told me to show up so they can help me process few documents that I'll be using till I hv my new passport in case I didn't see it..

Thank you so much smiley
Yeah, you will certainly need some form of official government issued ID.

I read this village people thing a lot on Nairaland. Does anyone really believe village people made you forget your carry on luggage.
It's so unfair to these poor so called village people. Forgetting your bag has nothing to do with any village people.

You really dropped a ball there and all prospective travelers should be very alert with regards to their luggage and surrounding in general.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by LagosismyHome(f): 10:18pm On Jan 03, 2018
Time2Smile:


It's so unfair to these poor so called village people. Forgetting your bag has nothing to do with any village people

grin grin awwww are you feeling sorry for village people. Lol.... take it easy , how kind of you cheesy

Does exist though , just a joke phrase

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by ehixestgratias: 11:11pm On Jan 03, 2018
bushlance:

Just keep trying. You might get lucky. As at yesterday earliest date dropped to 5th from 30th.


Thanks bro... I hv bn freshing but I can't even see d dates.. Do i need to reschedule before i will see d date? I don't want to mk mistake because I only hv one chance to reschedule...plz if there's a way u can help, i will most appreciate
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by eddyme(m): 11:34pm On Jan 03, 2018
Joan011:
looks lyk ur friend hates u, if its 4 undergrad u can be applying even till March.

Thanks alot boss.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by imperiouxx(m): 11:48pm On Jan 03, 2018
Sanctus1:


am very sure in nigeria to get a licence to practise as a clinical lab scientist ,you need a first degree in clinical lab sci

Disregard all I've said about this case. Do what ever makes you happy. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by imperiouxx(m): 12:05am On Jan 04, 2018
MsNas:

That means I need to come and start collecting maintenance money from you then grin grin Happy Married Life

grin
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by hankkk: 12:21am On Jan 04, 2018
Good day dear house. Please, I am reapplying for the visa after I was denied 20th of Dec. However my school resumes on the 11th of Jan. and the earliest date I got when I was on cgi early this morning was 22th Jan, what shall I do? I have seen some people talking about emergence booking- how can I go about it?
Thank you...
p.s I want to book a date by 1 am today
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by hankkk: 12:33am On Jan 04, 2018
hankkk:
Good day dear house. Please, I am reapplying for the visa after I was denied 20th of Dec. However my school resumes on the 11th of Jan. and the earliest date I got when I was on cgi early this morning was 22th Jan, what shall I do? I have seen some people talking about emergence booking- how can I go about it?
Thank you...
p.s I want to book a date by 1 am today

I just got this on ustraveldocs.com:
Students or exchange visitors
Purpose of travel is to begin or resume a valid program of study in the United States within 60 days when no regular visa appointments are available. This option is limited only to students and exchange students who are within 60 days of their start date. It is also limited only to applicants who have not been refused a visa within the last six months at either the U.S. Embassy in Abuja or the U.S. Consulate General in Lagos.
I was refused a visa 20th Dec, that's within the last 6 months like stated above. What shall I do, please?
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by DLanguage: 12:59am On Jan 04, 2018
Pearl93:


Hello. I am also going to Texas A and M commerce. Congratulations on getting the Visa. We should hook up

Pls can we have a private chat am going to Texas A&M University Comerce as well. u can reach me on 08030505554

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Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by OluDare01(m): 1:46am On Jan 04, 2018
Damilare5882:
Yes sir ... i dress like an Onion ...............LOOOOOOL grin grin grin grin
Lol
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by bushlance(m): 1:55am On Jan 04, 2018
ehixestgratias:


Thanks bro... I hv bn freshing but I can't even see d dates.. Do i need to reschedule before i will see d date? I don't want to mk mistake because I only hv one chance to reschedule...plz if there's a way u can help, i will most appreciate

It's actually not difficult. You will see an available date before you can schedule. But if you have an already scheduled appointment you wouldn't have access to available dates. Send me a PM I'll guide you.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Time2Smile(m): 2:02am On Jan 04, 2018
bushlance:
@Time2smile please I PMed you.
Please post your inquiry here. You will likely get better answer than I can provide.
Re: General U.s.a (student) Visa Enquiries-part 13 by Time2Smile(m): 2:10am On Jan 04, 2018
LagosismyHome:


grin grin awwww are you feeling sorry for village people. Lol.... take it easy , how kind of you cheesy

Does exist though , just a joke phrase
While you might think it is a joke phrase Ma'am, a lot of Nigerians seem to think there are some kind of "dark forces" always working against them. And most of these forces are directed at them by their village people (euphemism for old, extended family members).

I actually think it is an important discussion, which affects our psyche as a nation, but this is probably not the right thread for this dialogue.

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