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Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by edimolu(m): 1:52pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Mariinee:may God forgive you! |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by MrSamuel1(m): 3:05pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
BadLuckonmyGame:. You when you read about God the father, God the Son and God the holy spirit In the bible .it means three personalities .but instead of long statement like the one above.you simply say 'trinity'.just like instead of saying father ,mother and their children.you can just say 'family'. the word trinity was later coine d by scholars to mean 'three in one' .if you look at the word trinity ,it is a combination of "tri"-three and unity.the means God the father ,the Son and the Holy spirit. So if you don't like the term "trinity " you can keep on calling the whole thing . I hope I av help someone. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by traeces(m): 3:19pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Smith actually obtained testimonies from 11 men who said they had seen the golden plates not 8 as you quoted above. But I ask, how does that in the least compare with the lord Jesus whom God began to speak about right from Genesis 3:15 many 1000s of years before he was born and all through the ages by the mouth of prophets of all ages who received inspiration to prophecy what they did not fully grasp at the time? Notice also that just before Jesus came, John had been testifying about him without knowing his identity until he saw the sign. Don't forget, John's had encountered an angel before John's birth so much so that even the people of his day could not take his testimony for granted. Once Jesus arrived, he began to declare that he is the son of God but many including his brothers did not believe him until his death when even a soldier standing declared that "truly, this was the son of God" when he saw all the signs that followed his death. Finally, when he resurrected, he revealed himself to Peter, the twelve, and to more than 500 brothers at the same time most of whom were still living at the time. If you can believe that you are your father's child on the testimony of your mother but can't believing the fact of Jesus resurrection in the face of all the historical evidences, then I clearly can't help you. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by hopefulLandlord: 3:30pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Doctormarrvin: I didn't "deny" its existence, I know he doesn't exist! the word "deny" sounds like I have all the evidence I need but chose to ignore them or something I don't accept any creation story, its obvious each and every one of them are manmade and used to predict what happened before they got here, like someone sleeping in the USA tonight and waking up in a Canadian hotel can spill a lot of theories about how he got there from "train brought me here" to "I must've taken a plane" to "I teleported down here" we are all trying to find our way in this world we find ourselves and conjuring "god" as explanation just seems too intellectually lazy a position to take; To believe in a God is to relinquish your ability to seek the truth... To simply give up on the answers to the impossible questions... To stop using the most important of Human faculties, the ability to question... All questions about the universe, pain, suffering, evil, morality etc...God did it.....now get back to work and pay your tithe because he needs money... |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by traeces(m): 3:33pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
richythePH: Everything you are saying can be compared to an ant that is busy arguing with fellow ants that THERE IS NO INTERNET simply because it lacks capacity to grasp the subject. There is much more in creation beyond the 3-d world me and you are used to and it will do you good to simply stop where the word of God stops. Deut 29:29 |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 3:35pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
MrSamuel1:are u telling me what your Yahoo boys/men (pastors) told u or u read the bolded from your Bible... @ bolded can u refer me to where u read these statement in the Bible? I'm waiting... |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by hopefulLandlord: 3:37pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
traeces:11 gave testimonies and 8 handled the golden plates everything else you wrote there aren't historical, that's using bible to confirm the bible aka "circular reasoning" fallacy and everything becomes true due to such a fallacious thinking |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by traeces(m): 3:42pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
walepackage: Not really, if we realise how that God's thoughts and ways are indescribably higher than our thoughts ways (Isaiah 55:9), we will be content with what he has revealed. Just imagine a one year old child asking his mother what is in her womb and how it got there? No matter the explanation the mom gives, he is never going to understand. At least until another decade. Make peace with the fact that God is not your mate. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by traeces(m): 3:53pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: The bible was written on 3 different continents by 40+ others under divine inspiration of the Holy Ghost over a period of over 1500 years. That puts the bible in a class all its own as it is a book of books. It is one of histories most reliable reference material so if you think I should not use the bible to explain the bible, what will you suggest? archeology, science or metaphysics? |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by traeces(m): 4:10pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:I find it very funny when I encounter free thinkers who bandy the assertion that faith in God amounts to intellectual laziness. Where has your intellectual dexterity led you? Think about it, even in the physical world, Newtonian mechanic laws are very valid for as long as speeds are not approaching the speeds of light and masses not approaching subatomic orders. Newton's erstwhile valid laws do not hold in those realms! How then can you hope to explain God who is spirit and require those who worship him to worship in truth and in spirit with your eyes, hands, ears, mouth? For the sake of the eternal destiny of your spirit, I advice you to repent before God and beg him to give you faith to believe that he is and he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him (Heb 11:6) Faith that he exists comes before evidence of hia existence |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by traeces(m): 4:21pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Mariinee: My dear mariinee, the simple fact that the prophet did not know what was going to become of the eternal destiny of his spirit or of his followers is one of the many reasons why he cannot command my following. Secondly, the death and resurrection of Jesus was not meant to take away man's freedom to choose. It was meant to make it possible for man to return to God his home following the fall which is why the bible says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever BELIEVES in him will not perish but have everlasting life" Jn 3:16 What that means is, if in spite of his death, one chooses not to believe, heavens will not fall but he or she misses out on the eternal life God made possible through Jesus and perishes in hell which has always been the intent of Satan. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by SIINXU: 4:30pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
kaybams1: Oshe thinker! Fùck off my mentions. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 5:45pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
edimolu:I think you need the forgiveness more. Stop jumping on my mention. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by tommynico(m): 5:48pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
To the best of my knowledge, the trinity can be likened to the relationship between pharaoh and Joseph when he declared Joseph the ruler of all of Egypt, and it is only by his position on the throne will he be greater than him. God is the eternal king of all ages, Jesus is his firstborn who was with him from the very beginning of creation as he is God's word. And when he was crucified, he ascended up to heaven and God himself gave him a sit at his right-hand with a name that is above all and every other name in heaven, on earth and or in other realms of creation. The holy spirit in thesame way is the spirit of God the father that was released or sent to dwell in the hearts and amidst of those that are righteous and faithful, those who believe in the teachings of Jesus and have accepted him as their Lord and saviour. In veiw of this, there are two ways by which a man can walk, good or evil, one leads to eternal glory and comfort with unparalleled joy and happiness, while the other leads to eternal judgement and pain, anguish, regret and suffering. All we have to do is to choose that which appeals to us but not without learning first of the benefits attached and that's more reason why God sent his son as an emissary of his kingdom to plead and also forewarn us of our respective decisions and the choices we make. Let those that choose to believe in the word of God hold steadfast unto their Faith and be more fervent in their faithfulness, and those that have choosen ignorance instead of knowledge and wisdom do so and continue to thread on their path of blindness, the end will justify that which have been said from the beginning of time. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by edimolu(m): 5:55pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Mariinee:that is blasphemy, and you should seek for his forgiveness! am sure if a xtian had said that around muslims, ya'll would be putting a dagger to his throat by now!... peace |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by edimolu(m): 5:59pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
tommynico:your brain power is a gift to humanity...you have spoken well! especially the bolded! cc worldword abi na wordworld sef |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 6:03pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
edimolu:It's not blasphemy, it's the truth. If the bible was the truth, it wouldn't have so many versions and different churches wouldn't use different versions, some are even writing their own bible, that's blasphemy. And I don't put anything to anybody's neck, anyone can say whatever they like. 2 Likes |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
tommynico:To the best of your knowledge? Where did you gain this knowledge from? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 6:05pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
SIINXU:Hehehe, why did you tell him to fvck off now? He made sense, you should counter that. 1 Like |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Unik3030: 6:07pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
vertueptime:u this head slamming pedophile will not face your blood sucking religion of piss n try to abolish killing, maiming,destroying n fighting for your pedophile Mohammed. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 6:18pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
edimolu: Are you saying that Jesus is not God that "came to the earth in human flesh"?! That is what am trying to verify? |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by edimolu(m): 6:25pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Mariinee: we call it doctrines dear, every church has its way of churching, yet serving the same God still binds us together as one and that can never be neglected! Nevertheless, the fact that Christianity alongside the bible holds contradictive claims doesn't make the bible badly corrupt...that is too much to have asserted.... you can abuse me all you want,i won't fight back, never! but do not talk ill of a holy book! peace |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by edimolu(m): 6:31pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
WORDWORLD:i know you trying to put me in a tight spot! lol well as far as i know, jesus is not God, jesus during his earthly period never claimed being God, he is the son of God! now hold on, before you hit me with usual weak punch, "why is son different from the father",? please do well to read again my post to which you quoted! peace |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by treasurevee9(f): 6:34pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
1 John 5:1-8 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 6:43pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
edimolu:Doctrines is using different versions of ONE book, a holy book of God? Lmao. I will say it again, the bible is a badly corrupted book...it's not holy, it's just a book. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Doctormarrvin: 6:43pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:so with all the questions man has brought up..you're satisfied with the answers man has gotten? I wonder what we've done with all the truths and answers to the impossible questions we have..don't take this like we're quarreling bro,cos we're not! I believe in God yet that has not stopped me from using my brain..we'll continue to get curious and we'll continue to invent answers to satisfy our curiousity,thats the endless circle bro!..There are countless number of really smart people that believe in the theory of special creation..i'd still like to know what creation theory you believe in |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Doctormarrvin: 6:55pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Live a just and moral life and alot of you are misinterpreting it to mean stop using your brain?.. Who said science and Christianity cannot work?.. Science is man made yet alot of you believe everything your scientist tell you cos you think they have proof that you clearly have not seen! Why don't you disprove the theory that says anything moving with the speed of light attracts infinite mass? Or disprove the supposed ultimate cold death of the universe or disprove black holes or worm holes or the theory that said we evolved from bacterias...you have alot of disproving to do with the so called science you believe in but y'all ignore that and blame Christianity on the fact that you can't think adequately for yourself |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Doctormarrvin: 7:07pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Y'all acting smart and logical when it comes to Christianity...remove Christianity and show us the smartness you think Christianity is stopping you from using...Jesus died for our sins but the free will to repent from whatever evil we are doing still remains with us.. Imagine a world where everybody faithfully adhered to the teachings of the bible..a perfect world with no rape, murder, extortions,basically a perfect world with no crime...y'all keep blaming God for the evil brought upon man by man.. Let me give you an example...Imagine baby Hitler was born in the 21st century Nigeria with the same destiny of committing mass genocide..then he suddenly went missing and was found dead.. Alot of you lots will curse God and blame him for the death of such an adorable infant because you have no knowledge of who this child would grow up to be... Assuming he didn't die and grew up to be the monster we know him to be.. You lots will still curse God for allowing such a monster to be born in the first place...The problem is with humans themselves but y'all can't see it..the need to cast blame is what drives alot of you |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by edimolu(m): 7:09pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Mariinee:different versions? yes..but it holds the same meanings in all entirety! still repeating it? you even had to emphasize using the word "just"...lol..how much do you even know about the bible to reach such hilarious conclusion? |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 7:13pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
edimolu:The same meanings indeed. I know enough about it to know it's just a book. It's not hilarious, it's the truth. 1 Like |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Nobody: 7:14pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
Doctormarrvin:Sweetheart, calm down. Happy New Year. |
Re: Heated Argument, Note: This Could Shake Your Belief (photos) by Doctormarrvin: 7:16pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
edimolu:Lol.. |
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