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removetheturban:
Yes, I take pride in it. You are funny by saying that. What word of yours is not English? The Bible that you have in your hand is full of English words. I do not believe that you have Spanish words in an English Dictionary.

Jehovah is an English translation of the name of God. There has never been a contest to that until recently when Pentecostals began seeking ways to gain fame and pay. For many centuries it has been accepted by all denominations.

Jehovahs Witnesses take pride in it just the way you take pride in Jesus which is equally an English word

Jesus is not the word written in the Scriptures. It was introduced into English centuries after Jehovah was. That is what you do not know. Jehovah, as a name was already established and popular even before the name Jesus, was translated into English.

They are both English names and cannot be found anywhere in the scriptures. Translation is all that is needed for us to understand the message of the Bible. If you are not open to translation then you will not accept anything in the Bible.

Yahweh is not English. If you want to stick to it, then you have to discard Jesus and go to Yehoshua or Yeshua.

You cannot embrace all other names in English and then discard one which is Jehovah. I will tell you again. All these names below stem from the name Jehovah and all of them have been translated into English and embraced.

Jehoadah, whom Jehovah adorns[53]
Jehoaddan
Jehoahaz
Jehoash, Jehovah-given[54]
Jehohanan, whom Jehovah gave, a name of which John is the contraction.[55]
Jehoiachin
Jehoiada
Jehoiakim
Jehoiarib
Jehonadab
Jehonathan, whom Jehovah gave[56][57]
Jehoram
Jehoshaphat, whom Jehovah judges,[58] Jehovah-judged[59]
Jehosheba, Jehovah's oath,[60] Jehovah-swearing[61]
Jehoshua
Jehovah, I am; the eternal living one,[62] to be, exist,[63] to be, to become; [64] I am who am, hath sent me; I am who am with you,[65]
Jehovah-jireh, Jehovah will see; i.e., will provide[66]
Jehovah-nissi, Jehovah my banner[67]
Jehovah-shalom, Jehovah send peace[68]
Jehovah-shammah, Jehovah is there,[69]
Jehovah-tsidkenu, Jehovah our righteousness,[70]
Jehozabad, Jehovah-given,[71] whom Jehovah gave[72]
Jehozadak, Jehovah-justified,[73] Jehovah justifies[

The above is from your beloved Wikipedia

Revelation 9:11 They had a ruler, who was the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon. In Greek it is Apollyon.

If the Bible could accept the translation of a name from one language to another, what stops you from applying the same logic to the one name of all that you are refuting, Jehovah? Yahweh is not an English translation while Jesus is .

In actuality, the Tetragrammaton is YHWH and not Yahweh. Yahweh itself is a composition It was not written anywhere before scholars of the past generations added two vowels to it 'a' and 'e'. Those vowels cannot be proved by anyone to be exactly accurate. But it was added to make it pronounceable.

In effect, I am not asking you not to use it. Jehovah's witnesses have no problem with anyone using Yahweh. I am only saying for argument sake. So do not take my words to the charity fare. Do your own deep digging and acquaint yourself with this information.

The Bible said Greek and Hebrew not English. With all your jege jehovah was coined by a pagan (a non jw) someone with trinitarian. Something that has pagan roots you use them in worship?

The name that they are not even sure of the right pronunciation you take pride in? So you people pronounce the name of your God wrongly?

removetheturban:
Yes! Brilliant because he said that he does nothing on his own initiative. John 20:21 He says just as the father sends him, he sends. Do you want to make him a liar?
The father GAVE him life and authority John 5:27. Are you just getting to know this?

u don't have to twist the word.
Life comes from the Father himself. So the Father has also allowed the Son to give life. And the Father has given him the power to judge all people because he is the Son of Man.
John 5:26‭-‬27 ERV
It says the father allows the son to give life not d father gave d son life nd authority....in ur zeal to be correct u still av to stay within the purview of scripture.
U agreed the son sent the spirit from the father wch is all i needed to hear, bravo.. Jesus is God, it is a proof

removetheturban:
Such a great escape for you. I am sure you would be a perfect cast for a lead role in 'The Great escape' 2018 remake. I asked three questions that you just avoided. I know that the devil quoted Psalm 91. the verse began with "It is written" and even a child knows that it will be found in Hebbrew scripture.

But whatever happened to the answers to my questions. I will repost them below. Pls answer me, I beg you. Anything you say above no problem but the questions needs answers.

ok lets go

Matthew 4:6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
He said to Jesus, “If you are the Son of God, jump off, because the Scriptures say, ‘God will command his angels to help you, and their hands will catch you, so that you will not hit your foot on a rock.’”

Who did the devil refer to as "HE" ?

the Father

Why is that "he" said to have angels?

cos he quoted the scripture verbatim. He didn't say "we can infer from wat was written" rather he said "it is written"

Why didn't the devil use the pronoun 'your' if they are coequal or the same persons (Jesus and Jehovah)?

open ur scripture to psalm 91 nd check if u see your since he quoted verbatim.. Jesus also replied, it is written "you shall not tempt the lord your God".. Verbatim as it is in deuteronomy.. Why didn't Jesus say, "according to deuteronomy i am not supposed to tempt my God"? Did he say that? Nope. He quoted the scripture verbatim..

Okay.
Since you said that he is the mediator. Mediator between who and who?

Hairyrapunzel:
Who is avoiding your questions when I already know what you want to assume. Continue arguing from silence. Is it not an assumption. Did the Bible say that since the name of the holy spirit did not change when it came down in bodily form that means God was not supposed to change when he became Jesus? Kindergarten reasoning. You want me to answer questions based on your leaders assumptions? My answer is no.

Well keep assuming that I can knock someone's teeth out. Don't worry I ain't angry because It's all in your head and imaginations. You know you assume a lot. It's your way. That I called you out on your fallacy and assumption it is now aggressiveness. Jw and their persecution complex. It's so typical of you guys. Who is confabulating? I guess it's you.

Well Jesus is the only way, the only truth and the only light. All who will go to the father must go through Him. The Bible did not say organisation's take note. Therefore Jesus is our mediator not some 7 old men in New York who say they are the faithful and discreet slave and they are the mediators between their followers and God.

Jesus is God because He is the one and only Son of God, He is the alpha and omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, He is the only savior of the world, He is the Good Shepherd, the creator of the universe, the tree of life, the eternal one, He is worshipped and glorified, we pray to him, He is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, He is the redeemer of the whole world, He is the great healer, He is the Lord of hosts, King of kings, Lord of lords, The I Am, He is the Mighty God, wonderful counselor, He is in the Father as The Father is in Him, He is one with the Father. Jesus is God. Come and beat me for saying all these.

Hairyrapunzel:
They are elementary topics for Jw and you are struggling with it. Smh.

What was I struggling with?

Do you believe that God sent his son? John 3:16?

Hairyrapunzel:
The Bible said Greek and Hebrew not English. With all your jege jehovah was coined by a pagan. Something that has pagan roots you use them in worship?

Yes, the Bible was in Greek and Hebrew but do you speak any of those?

We worship Jehovah and we do not meddle with idolatry.

John 5:27 Was Jesus granted to have life in him by God?

removetheturban:
The Bible said that the man and the wife are one. It is very easy for every adult to understand that one. The Bible also encourages the wive to be submissive to the man because he is her head. They are one in 'union' but practically they are separate entities with one being the superior and the head. This is very clear to everyone even an atheist. The comparison shows you the oneness that exists between Jehovah and Jesus and the superiority that Jehovah has as a creator and the father FROM whom all things came (Jesus included). No matter how to try to unsettle the water, I will keep settling it.

Please, answer my question. I will repost it below and embolden it.

Why did the Bible say that Jehovah is the head of Christ in 1 Corinthians 11:30?

u r only going about confusing ursef. Does ur scriptural understanding tells u dat man is superior to woman? Can u quote where u got dat from. Didn't d bible tell u dat he made man in his own image male and female? Does the headship of man mean superiority over the woman? Did God give man dominion over the woman just like he gave him dominion over every plant and animal?
I would personally pretend dat i didn't see u use the word Jehova here wen u boasted dat u didn't translate Theos and Krios to mean Jehovah...
Back to d mata.. How do u explain ur understanding of dis portion of scripture in light of Philippians 2:8? Wch says Jesus humbled himself to become obedient with God the Father? If he didn't have equality why does he have to humble himself to be obedient?

salvation101:
very simple.. Dey av distinct personality dat is why dey three are referred to as Elohim. U nd i do not share d same spirit. Man himself is a spirit. U av ur spirit and i have mine. I wonder where u got dat from

Man is a spirit

Are you trying to say that man 'has' a spirit or he 'is' a spirit?

So, three is referred to as Elohim Is that a synonym for Trinity?

Are you saying that Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit share the same spirit?

removetheturban:
For argument sake, if you say Jehovah is false and Yahweh is the real name. Can you show me any proven work(s) containing the word Yahweh?

The Tetragrammaton is YHWH and there is no vowel but 4 consonants. Who added the vowels 'a' and 'e' to the name?

when were they added?

nope u should bring d masoretic text lets see d original.. Yhwh are not ancient Hebrew letters.. Dat masoretic text is pronounced Yahweh.. Same as u can hear a Chinese word nd not necessarily pen it dowm in mandarin

removetheturban:
These are very elementary topics for JW. The whole world knows that

Ephesians 1:3Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
3 Praise be to[b] the God[/b] and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. In Christ, God has given us every spiritual blessing in heaven.

Can you explain why that verse in the ERV said that Jehovah is the God of Jesus Christ?

oh and u failed woefully in d elementary course..

aigboeben:
Why are you hitting on me? I may not have enough time to attend to you hence I come in the way I do. It appears to me that you are pained by my ways. If you were attending to my questions directly I would do same to yours. Being made to stew in your own juice skews you I guess. Integrity demands we do unto others as we would have them do to us. Please don't change my impression of you!

OKay. Well take your time and whenever you do can you tell me how God could have been able to see himself in John 1:18?

And since no one has seen God, did people see Jesus?

removetheturban:
Yes, I take pride in it. You are funny by saying that. What word of yours is not English? The Bible that you have in your hand is full of English words. I do not believe that you have Spanish words in an English Dictionary.

really? What about the many English words wit latin and French origin?

Jehovah is an English translation of the name of God.

wch was arrived at by mere juxtaposition of Yahweh and Adonia..

There has never been a contest to that until recently when Pentecostals began seeking ways to gain fame and pay. For many centuries it has been accepted by all denominations

false.. There has been age long dispute about that name, don't give me dat pentecostal hogwash. Wen did d pentecostal movement even start? U don't av to peddle falsehood sir.

Jehovahs Witnesses take pride in it just the way you take pride in Jesus which is equally an English word

i take pride in Jesus just as i take pride in Jesu and Yesu,

Jesus is not the word written in the Scriptures.

in matt1:1 u will find the word lesous..

It was introduced into English centuries after Jehovah was. That is what you do not know. Jehovah, as a name was already established and popular even before the name Jesus, was translated into English.

dis is a lie. There is no original word in Greek or Hebrew scripture dat has close pronunciation to jehova

They are both English names and cannot be found anywhere in the scriptures. Translation is all that is needed for us to understand the message of the Bible. If you are not open to translation then you will not accept anything in the Bible.

Jesus is the English way of pronouncing Lesous

Yahweh is not English. If you want to stick to it, then you have to discard Jesus and go to Yehoshua or Yeshua.

u r fighting a lost battle sir. Yahweh is the pronunciation to d ancient Hebrew word for God.. Do u want ti deny d fact dat the word jehova was gotten from juxtaposing Yahweh and adonia? A little Google search will clear ur doubt.

You cannot embrace all other names in English and then discard one which is Jehovah. I will tell you again. All these names below stem from the name Jehovah and all of them have been translated into English and embraced.

nope Jehova is not a divinely inspired word. I can always replace it with the word God wch is not also inspired

Jehoadah, whom Jehovah adorns[53]
Jehoaddan
Jehoahaz
Jehoash, Jehovah-given[54]
Jehohanan, whom Jehovah gave, a name of which John is the contraction.[55]
Jehoiachin
Jehoiada
Jehoiakim
Jehoiarib
Jehonadab
Jehonathan, whom Jehovah gave[56][57]
Jehoram
Jehoshaphat, whom Jehovah judges,[58] Jehovah-judged[59]
Jehosheba, Jehovah's oath,[60] Jehovah-swearing[61]
Jehoshua
Jehovah, I am; the eternal living one,[62] to be, exist,[63] to be, to become; [64] I am who am, hath sent me; I am who am with you,[65]
Jehovah-jireh, Jehovah will see; i.e., will provide[66]
Jehovah-nissi, Jehovah my banner[67]
Jehovah-shalom, Jehovah send peace[68]
Jehovah-shammah, Jehovah is there,[69]
Jehovah-tsidkenu, Jehovah our righteousness,[70]
Jehozabad, Jehovah-given,[71] whom Jehovah gave[72]
Jehozadak, Jehovah-justified,[73] Jehovah justifies

..

The above is from your beloved Wikipedia

nice i see u did lotta research nd i hope u now believe in Wikipedia. Do not mistake it for a blog anymore

Revelation 9:11 They had a ruler, who was the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon. In Greek it is Apollyon.

If the Bible could accept the translation of a name from one language to another, what stops you from applying the same logic to the one name of all that you are refuting, Jehovah? Yahweh is not an English translation while Jesus is .

hehehehehehe.. So i can as well replace ur jehova with God in my Bible isn't it?

In actuality, the Tetragrammaton is YHWH and not Yahweh. Yahweh itself is a composition It was not written anywhere before scholars of the past generations added two vowels to it 'a' and 'e'. Those vowels cannot be proved by anyone to be exactly accurate. But it was added to make it pronounceable.

i responded to dis already

In effect, I am not asking you not to use it. Jehovah's witnesses have no problem with anyone using Yahweh. I am only saying for argument sake. So do not take my words to the charity fare. Do your own deep digging and acquaint yourself with this information.

why don't u used to inspired word? If u deny the word yahweh do u know u deny d word jehova too? Cos ur Yehowa where ur jehova is gotten fromwas arrived at by conjoining Yahweh and adonai

removetheturban:
Yes, the Bible was in Greek and Hebrew but do you speak any of those?

We worship Jehovah and we do not meddle with idolatry.

John 5:27 Was Jesus granted to have life in him by God?

Jehovah that you are not even sure if its the actual name. A name coined by a pagan (non jw). Smh.a name that has pagan origin has to be pagan right? So you people use a name from idolatrous roots in worship too? So pathetic.

salvation101:
u don't have to twist the word.
Life comes from the Father himself. So the Father has also allowed the Son to give life. And the Father has given him the power to judge all people because he is the Son of Man.
John 5:26‭-‬27 ERV
It says the father allows the son to give life not d father gave d son life nd authority....in ur zeal to be correct u still av to stay within the purview of scripture.
U agreed the son sent the spirit from the father wch is all i needed to hear, bravo.. Jesus is God, it is a proof

Not that I agreed. I was the one put it out and you picked on that. It is actually from the Bible. The son sent the spirit FROM the father. He said that all he does originates from he fathers. Since the father allowed doesn't it mean that the authority for him to have it belong to the father?

John 1:18 I know your Bible has a wrong rendition on it because it has no link to the Greek word used.
But my question is it is possible for God to see himself?

when the Bible says that no one can see God, were the apostles of Jesus shocked to see Jesus? Did they ever mention that part of the scripture to Jesus to explain why they could see him practically?

Hairyrapunzel:
Jehovah that you are not even sure if its the actual name. A name coined by a pagan (non jw). Smh.a name that has pagan origin has to be pagan right? So you people use a name from idolatrous roots in worship too? So pathetic.

When was the name Jesus introduced to English?

salvation101:

cos he quoted the scripture verbatim. He didn't say "we can infer from wat was written" rather he said "it is written"

So, who is wrong, satan or the scripture that he quoted?

salvation101:

open ur scripture to psalm 91 nd check if u see your since he quoted verbatim.. Jesus also replied, it is written "you shall not tempt the lord your God".. Verbatim as it is in deuteronomy.. Why didn't Jesus say, "according to deuteronomy i am not supposed to tempt my God"? Did he say that? Nope. He quoted the scripture verbatim..

So I am asking why didn't he use 'your' as opposed to 'he' that he used? If Satan believe that God and Jesus was coequal why didn't he say "your angels"?

Hairyrapunzel:
Jehovah that you are not even sure if its the actual name. A name coined by a pagan (non jw). Smh.a name that has pagan origin has to be pagan right? So you people use a name from idolatrous roots in worship too? So pathetic.

So, what is the correct name of God?

removetheturban:
Man is a spirit

Are you trying to say that man 'has' a spirit or he 'is' a spirit?

So, three is referred to as Elohim Is that a synonym for Trinity?

Are you saying that Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit share the same spirit?

man is a spirit not man has a spirit. Dat is one thing u do not know amd WT wont teach you.. U live in a body and av a soul but u are a spirit

removetheturban:
So, what is the correct name of God?

My own is you are using a name coined by a pagan (non jw) a name that has pagan origin in worship. In fact it is the most important name in your religion. A name that is not the actual name.

Continue asking me for the correct name.

salvation101:
u r only going about confusing ursef. Does ur scriptural understanding tells u dat man is superior to woman? Can u quote where u got dat from. Didn't d bible tell u dat he made man in his own image male and female? Does the headship of man mean superiority over the woman? Did God give man dominion over the woman just like he gave him dominion over every plant and animal?
I would personally pretend dat i didn't see u use the word Jehova here wen u boasted dat u didn't translate Theos and Krios to mean Jehovah...
Back to d mata.. How do u explain ur understanding of dis portion of scripture in light of Philippians 2:8? Wch says Jesus humbled himself to become obedient with God the Father? If he didn't have equality why does he have to humble himself to be obedient?

Yes, superior in position. Superior also means position. It is an English word that can stand as a rank or position and you know what I mean. You are trying to unsettle the water instead of answering my question. my question is

Why did the Bible say that Jehovah is the head of Christ in 1 Corinthians 11:30?

Over to your own question: Philippians 2:8 Jesus humble himself as a man even before men. He washed the feet of men and he even endured insult and torture. He said he was without a place to lay his head. He dined with sinners and was seen with the lowly and rejected of the society. Even to the point of death he maintain humility. He said that he could ask his father to send him 12 legions of angels. Not that he would do it but as the father to SEND. Similar to what the devil quoted in Psalms, 'HIS angels'.
Jesus never puffed up even with all his power but when he healed people he asked them to seal their lips instead of broadcasting. He

So Jesus not only descending from his glorious position in heaven, he still humbled himself while he was on earth. And he did that till his agonising death thereby setting a pattern for his followers.


Can you answer my question above?

Wow!
You are condemning mine. You said that it is not the actual name, so, then, tell me the actual name. You cannot condemn what you have no answer for.

Hairyrapunzel:
My own is you are using a name coined by a pagan (non jw) a name that has pagan origin in worship. In fact it is the most important name in your religion. A name that is not the actual name.
Continue asking me for the correct name.

removetheturban:
When was the name Jesus introduced to English?

Continue asking. The fact remains that the most important name to you was coined by a pagan and has idolatrous roots because it is associated with trinitarians shikena.

hahahahaha This is the most absurd thing that you have said so far.
Can you give me further insight on this? I'm curious to know why you said that.
How does Genesis 2:7 read in your Bible?

Are you serious about what you just said?

So, you believe that you are a spirit now?

salvation101:
man is a spirit not man has a spirit. Dat is one thing u do not know amd WT wont teach you.. U live in a body and av a soul but u are a spirit

Hairyrapunzel:
Continue asking. The fact remains that the most important name to you was coined by a pagan and has idolatrous roots because it is associated with trinitarians shikena.

@salvation101 he might be trying hard not to offend you. He seems to have a different name for his God that you may not agree to.
Sir, are you not proud of the name of your God?

removetheturban:
Wow!
You are condemning mine. You said that it is not the actual name, so, then, tell me the actual name. You cannot condemn what you have no answer for.

I can condemn what I have no answer for. Just like the way you condemn Christians position on their doctrines. I am free. I am just trying to be like you.
Is jehovah the actual name before? Jehovah is an assumed English pronunciation of the name yahowah. Gotten from inserting the vowels adonai into YHWH which was done by a pagan ( non jw or trinitarian).
So you hold words coined by pagans in the high esteem? Interesting

salvation101:
nope u should bring d masoretic text lets see d original.. Yhwh are not ancient Hebrew letters.. Dat masoretic text is pronounced Yahweh.. Same as u can hear a Chinese word nd not necessarily pen it dowm in mandarin

I am still asking you.

Who added the two vowels 'a' and 'e' in the yAhwEh?

What we have in the scriptures is YHWH, the Tetragrammaton.

Where did they get the 'a' and the 'e' from?

Why do many other Hebrew names have 'o' after the 'h' and this name does not have it?

I need to know the people who added those vowels first and why they added it.

Hairyrapunzel:
I can condemn what I have no answer for. Just like the way you condemn Christians position on their doctrines. I am free. I am just trying to be like you.
Is jehovah the actual name before? Jehovah is an assumed English pronunciation of the name yahowah. Gotten from inserting the vowels adonai into YHWH which was done by a pagan ( non jw or trinitarian).
So you hold words coined by pagans in the high esteem? Interesting

Going by your point, the number of vowels in Adonai is 4 while Jehovah has only 3 vowels. Why did you asert that they created Jehovah from 'AOAI'?

Do you believe in the God of Salvation101?

Hairyrapunzel:
Continue asking. The fact remains that the most important name to you was coined by a pagan and has idolatrous roots because it is associated with trinitarians shikena.

When was the name Jesus introduced to the English language?

removetheturban:
Not that I agreed. I was the one put it out and you picked on that. It is actually from the Bible. The son sent the spirit FROM the father. He said that all he does originates from he fathers. Since the father allowed doesn't it mean that the authority for him to have it belong to the father?

u r still going back and forth avoiding my question. I will play the fool for now though..
Like someone said earlier, u make bogus claims built from assumptions.. Just check d word "doesn't that mean ".. U r assuming. U close ur eyes to several places in scripture dat provides you dat answer, u stick to an assumption. Wat is d product of ur assumptions according to Philippians 2?

John 1:18 I know your Bible has a wrong rendition on it because it has no link to the Greek word used.

interesting..

But my question is it is possible for God to see himself?

my answer is a rhetorical question.. Is it impossible? U see ur ideology has already placed a limitation on ur perception of God's ability.

when the Bible says that no one can see God, were the apostles of Jesus shocked to see Jesus? Did they ever mention that part of the scripture to Jesus to explain why they could see him practically?

and on several occasions his disciples worshipped him? Thomas called him God?

removetheturban:
@salvation101 he might be trying hard not to offend you. He seems to have a different name for his God that you may not agree to.
Sir, are you not proud of the name of your God?

The actual name of God is
I AM, God, Father, Lord, Jesus, Lord of Hosts, Eternal one, King of kings, Lord of Lord, Almighty God, Creator of the universe, Adonai, Elohim, Ancient of days, Yaweh, yahowah, Yeshua, Yehovah, Jehovah, Chukwu, Chineke, Yesu, Jesu. The list is endless.

Unlike you I don't stick to only one name which is not even the actual name of God as the name of God. Come and beat me.

removetheturban:
So, who is wrong, satan or the scripture that he quoted?

if i say dumb submission now u will say i insulted u.. Wen Jesus said (though shall not tempt the lord thy God.. Instead of i, who was wrong? Jesus or the scripture he quoted