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salvation101:
u wish don't you? My resilience is a nightmare to u .. Ain't going away from dis thread bruh .. Held d fort against ur guys last night nd dey scurried away at my question. Dey seemed to be more interested in my grammar dan in d subject matter

i also know how u evaded all his questions about ur society. U were so ashamed

same question asked a zillion times, seems u r out of steam and this back and forth is all u av left. Why did God call Jesus God Heb 1:8

If we want to talk about the organisation I am willing but on another thread. we will take it one by one. You were so naive to Hairara or whatever giving you supplies like you ran out of. You were so happy to the point of asking if he was an insider. I will keep calling you out even if you run away. Same questions have not got any answer. What did Jesus call himself a God or a son?

Your resilience is good for me because few people stay around to hold a conversation. Not a battle and not a competition. It is a conversation forum that is how I see it. I am glad that you have learned a lot so far from the Bible. I am sure you have never met my type ever.

salvation101:
i know u were heading there.

When Mary had Jesus, did she call him God?

salvation101:
i know u were heading there.

Does Jesus have a God?

removetheturban:
Hebrews 3:9Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
9 For 40 years in the desert, your people saw what I did.
But they [b]tested [/b]me and my patience.

Temptation is different from Test.
The Bible encourages us to taste and see that Jehovah is good.

Why was Jesus tempted if he were God?
answer me
you cannot slip out of this one

test and taste are now the same thing? Other versions use the word tempt there bruh..d greek word Peirazo here is still the same word used in matt4:1 and it was used about Satan in verse 3..so satan is a taster huh? He came to taste Jesus?

removetheturban:
LOL I have been here. I came here for questions so I will not run away form there. I take them when I go out in the ministry so online questions are puerile.

When Stephen saw Jesus in the heaven, did he say that he saw Gods? How many persons did he see? What was the position of Jesus?

wow,Jesus stood up for him.. what position was Jesus in Revelation 22:1..

removetheturban:
When the Bible said that God sent his son, do you believe it? did he send his mate or his son? John 3:16

u seem to hate Philippians 2:7,8..but it is in ur Bible na.

removetheturban:
Where did the ERV get their Bible from? I am shocked. This is worse than the 55 Men's heretic insertion
Colossians 1:15

Colossians 1:15Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
The Son of God Is the Same as God
15 No one can see God,
but the Son is exactly like God.
He rules over everything that has been made.

English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Berean Study Bible
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Berean Literal Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

New American Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

King James Bible
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

International Standard Version
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

NET Bible
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,


Why is Jesus called the firstborn of ALL creation?

but u av been quoting from ERV and u told me earlier dat u used it alot.. Why are u running away from it now? Are u a cherry picker ..

removetheturban:
If we want to talk about the organisation I am willing but on another thread. we will take it one by one. You were so naive to Hairara or whatever giving you supplies like you ran out of. You were so happy to the point of asking if he was an insider. I will keep calling you out even if you run away. Same questions have not got any answer. What did Jesus call himself a God or a son?

but i quoted where God called Jesus God na.. He said thy throne oh God...

Your resilience is good for me because few people stay around to hold a conversation. Not a battle and not a competition. It is a conversation forum that is how I see it. I am glad that you have learned a lot so far from the Bible. I am sure you have never met my type ever.

dis is the longest conversation i av had on this forum.. On dis forum, i hardly meet anyone dat impresses me in argument as most of dem end up getting hysterical. But i av been enjoying my conversation with you, u are calm and well learned. I av even copied ur style of argument and added to my arsenal

salvation101:
lol, can u tell us the names of the pentecostal who did it and how u knew it is pentecostals. U think ur information on Wikipedia isn't vetted? U think u just supply it and it becomes law and binding? Think again sir.

lol (was just joking though). I don't know but some of my edits get re-edited. I do not know your real name, I will ask Asewa. You could be the one editing my updates. (jokes)

salvation101:
did you check ur bible and gen 1:1 and didn't find the name elohim there? Did u also check and didn't find adonia there? If u accuse me of using Google, i would not mind cos i use every available information within my reach, unlike u, i am not tied down by dogma and some philosophies of men

With all the resources within your reach, you are not able to prove a simple subject concerning the person of Jesus. With my hands tied down and a bible in my palm, I have been able to prove to you what your pastors have failed at for decades. Elohim means God but you brought in a pagan doctrine and try to blaspheme the word of God. Thank God I came to check on you.

Wasn't Moses also called Elohim?

Was satan also called Theos? Is satan also a Trinity?

salvation101:
wow,Jesus stood up for him.. what position was Jesus in Revelation 22:1..

You narrowly escaped this question but it was brought forward.

When Stephen saw Jesus in the heaven, did he say that he saw Gods? How many persons did he see? What was the position of Jesus?

salvation101:
Your resilience is good for me because few people stay around to hold a conversation. Not a battle and not a competition. It is a conversation forum that is how I see it. I am glad that you have learned a lot so far from the Bible. I am sure you have never met my type ever.
dis is the longest conversation i av had on this forum.. On dis forum, i hardly meet anyone dat impresses me in argument as most of dem end up getting hysterical. But i av been enjoying my conversation with you, u are calm and well learned. I av even copied ur style of argument and added to my arsenal

Oh, your arsenal! hahaha! Thanks for the compliment. I am online because I have some free time. Work allows me that leisure for now. I guarantee you, if not for you, I wouldn’t have responded to some people in this forum. I would pass on their comments. And, thanks for your calmness and tenacity as well. I encourage that even though you are my opposition on Nairaland lol

but i quoted where God called Jesus God na.. He said thy throne oh God...[/quote]That was not the question that I asked. Where did Jesus call himself God? Another Trinitarian quote that they hold so dearly. Hebrews 1:8 is from Psalms 45:6 Which is best translated as “But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness”.

salvation101:
but u av been quoting from ERV and u told me earlier dat u used it alot.. Why are u running away from it now? Are u a cherry picker ..

I do not pick rotten tomatoes lol. As I told you we used all Bible translations but we avoid the heretical texts inserted in those versions. For example, Colossians 1:15 which was heretically translated in the ERV, we avoid it.

John 4:46 Do you believe that Jesus was FROM God?

removetheturban:
lol (was just joking though). I don't know but some of my edits get re-edited. I do not know your real name, I will ask Asewa. You could be the one editing my updates. (jokes)

its Osewa not Asewa nd by d way he knows me as Salvation101 as well

salvation101:
here you go again. Where did i say u must use the word Jesus? U r just doing all u can to make Jehovah appear sacrosanct but guess wat? It is just a mere translation

I hear you. Answer my questions above.

salvation101:
its Osewa not Asewa nd by d way he knows me as Salvation101 as well

lol. Thanks for the correction. I will find out.

removetheturban:
You narrowly escaped this question but it was brought forward.

When Stephen saw Jesus in the heaven, did he say that he saw Gods? How many persons did he see? What was the position of Jesus?

i didn't escape anything. Dat was just an event and i showed you where Jesus as the lamb sat upon the throne as well.

salvation101:
did you check ur bible and gen 1:1 and didn't find the name elohim there? Did u also check and didn't find adonia there? If u accuse me of using Google, i would not mind cos i use every available information within my reach, unlike u, i am not tied down by dogma and some philosophies of men

With all the resources within your reach, you are not able to prove a simple subject concerning the person of Jesus. With my hands tied down and a bible in my palm, I have been able to prove to you what your pastors have failed at for decades. Elohim means God but you brought in a pagan doctrine and try to blaspheme the word of God. Thank God I came to check on you.

Why really was Jesus called a son and not a mate or father? Do you think Jesus would have been pleased to be called father?

salvation101:
i didn't escape anything. Dat was just an event and i showed you where Jesus as the lamb sat upon the throne as well.

On whose throne?

salvation101:
u seem not to av checked ur greek scripture in matt 1:1 like i suggested. Wat do u see there, Yeshua or Lesous? Nd who is judging you for using the word jehova? Certainly not me. U can call him any name you like but don't patronize me wit dat. Same English who used the word jehova also used the word God so y trying to force me to use ur semantics?

I am not forcing you to use it. It is actually your choice. But the bottom line is that If you refute the name and accept Jesus, you are a hypocrite. If you accept Yahweh believing that it was the original name, then you are 7 planets away from reality. The original name written by Jehovah is YHWH any other thing is a translation. The name of Jesus is Yehoshua or Yeshua and no one can categorically give the exact pronunciation. The word Jesus came to be centuries after Jehovah was established. But you chose one and refuted Jehovah claiming it was juxtaposed. How about Yahweh? You are dumbfounded to have discovered this, I am sure. You never thought of it. I do not think that you would ever brag about Yahweh again, ever. LOL.

Where did those vowels in Yahweh come from?

salvation101:
the power given to pope was given to him by the government. Am glad u agreed dat scholars disagreed with the name and not just pentecostals.. There are also a lot things the pope permitted wch has no biblical backing such as selling of indulgence.. Would u accept dat today just cos pope accepted it at one time?

until the end of time, the pope is seen as your leader. No matter how much you think of him, he speaks on your behalf. Just in case you are trying to distinguish yourself. You can only do it this far.
Just in case you did not know, other religions do not know the differences in Christianity or the different doctrines. They see you as you see them. The only odds are the Jehovah’s witnesses and fewer times the Mormons. Ours is very plain because of our field works and conscientious objections. You are called the mainstream or Trinitarians.

Scholars did not disagree that the name Jehovah was right but they replaced it with Lord, sustaining the Jewish belief of not pronouncing the name of God and also, to sustain their Trinitarian belief. The name exposes the Trinity so badly. That is why they hate it. They etch it on their walls and write it in their books but they do not want the masses to know. Someone died for you to know the name of God. They would have replaced it simply with LORD and you wouldn’t have known.
Today you have the freedom to know and it is your choice.

salvation101:
well you can make ur further research ok? Yehowah is gotten from the word Yahweh and Adonai wch means those folks who derived the word didn't av a problem with YHWH being Yahweh

I can accept to research on what you did not condemn. You have condemned the name Jehovah and publicly stated that it was created in the 13th century. We have texts written Jeova back in the 1100’s but you did not dig deeper enough. You based your suppositions on bloggers who told you that it was created by a Catholic monk LOL.
I notice how energetic and enthusiastic you were that day. You are now called out to prove your logic and now and you are stuttering.

Tell me who added those vowels in Yahweh before you jump out of your sinking ERV ship. You have completely deserted KJV but you told me that it is one of your best. Lol. We will keep spotting more flaws in the ERV. Ask Yoruba, Greek and Hebrew to hold on for us to trash this one out.

Where did you get the yAhwEh from?
The Bible only has the Tetragrammaton, YHWH.
You know the origin of Yahowa but you do not know where Yahweh is originates. You must know this.
Answer me, please.

salvation101:
When I told you that you will never sink with a ship I was right. You jumped out of KJV cruise when I spotted out the heresy and embarked on ERV sail. As soon as I spotted a flaw in ERV you jumped out of it and right into Yoruba Bible sail. Very soon we will delve into that Yoruba Bible and I will see how you jump out of that ship.
Do u av the Greek and Hebrew version of the Bible handy? Why do you if u accept there wouldn't be any error in translation? Why do u look up root words for proper understanding?

You did not tell me this when you condemned my Bible. You were stern on your points and resolute to decimate the JW Bible. How subtle you sound now like you cannot hurt a fly. Now you are running to Greek and Hebrew We will get there. Anywhere you run to, we are coming. You were gyrating on the juxtaposition of words.
Tell me where you got the “a” and “e” vowels in Yahweh.

You must answer that question.

When were they added and who added them?

Why where they added?

removetheturban:
With all the resources within your reach, you are not able to prove a simple subject concerning the person of Jesus. With my hands tied down and a bible in my palm, I have been able to prove to you what your pastors have failed at for decades. Elohim means God but you brought in a pagan doctrine and try to blaspheme the word of God. Thank God I came to check on you.

Wasn't Moses also called Elohim?

Was satan also called Theos? Is satan also a Trinity?

what did u prove? You dat kept evading questions.? I let alot of dem slide just cos am aware u had no clue.. If u like u can twist the word to mean wat u want to evade as usual but am sure ur Hebrew and Greek scriptures are handy. God simply said he will make Moses like Elohim to Pharaoh. Wch he did by honoring every words moses spake to Pharoah nd in Pharaoh eyes moses looked like a super human but it was God working all d while

salvation101:
where av i said i do not believe in translation? All the Bible i av been quoting is in English translation isn't it? I do believe in translation and dat is y i believe calling God Theos or Jehovah is immaterial cos dey are mere translations.

Is Theos Greek? Theos is not even Greek . For the record what you are referring to as Theos is Θεὸς. haha.
If Theos and Jehovah are immaterial to you, is Yahweh also immaterial?

removetheturban:
Oh, your arsenal! hahaha! Thanks for the compliment. I am online because I have some free time. Work allows me that leisure for now. I guarantee you, if not for you, I wouldn’t have responded to some people in this forum. I would pass on their comments. And, thanks for your calmness and tenacity as well. I encourage that even though you are my opposition on Nairaland lol

Paul spent 3 good months trying to reason scripture with the jews, i am not there yet.

Paul went into the synagogue and spoke very boldly. He continued doing this for three months. He talked with the Jews, trying to persuade them to accept what he was telling them about God’s kingdom. But some of them became stubborn and refused to believe. In front of everyone, they said bad things about the Way. So Paul left these Jews and took the Lord’s followers with him. He went to a place where a man named Tyrannus had a school. There Paul talked with people every day. He did this for two years. Because of this work, everyone in Asia, Jews and Greeks, heard the word of the Lord.
Acts 19:8‭-‬10 ERV

salvation101:
what did u prove? You dat kept evading questions.? I let alot of dem slide just cos am aware u had no clue.. If u like u can twist the word to mean wat u want to evade as usual but am sure ur Hebrew and Greek scriptures are handy. God simply said he will make Moses like Elohim to Pharaoh. Wch he did by honoring every words moses spake to Pharoah nd in Pharaoh eyes moses looked like a super human but it was God working all d while

Same thing Jesus said that he does nothing of his own initiative but the father. he even told us that the father is our God. But you keep making him a liar by saying that he is the God and not his father. He told us that he LEARNED from the father and whatever the father does is what he would do.

Saying otherwise is making him a liar. If you believe in Jesus you will hear his words because he said that he knows his sheep and his sheep hear him. Do you hear him speaking in John 20:17? Just in case you didn't hear properly, he said that his God is equally our God.

salvation101:
u seem to hate Philippians 2:7,8..but it is in ur Bible na.

You are everything. You answer none of my questions. You allowed them to slip through and automatically they get lost in the last pages. Is it difficult to answer? I will post it again here.
When the Bible said that God sent his son, do you believe it? Did he send his mate or his son? John 3:16

Considering Philippians 2:7-8 You have asked me to explain it and I did. Look up for my explanation. Why should I hate the Bible verse. This blame tactic is not the answer to the question. Here is Philippians 2:7-8 AGAIN
7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form+ and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man,* he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.
Yes, Jesus condescended and took a humble form making others superior to him. He, although being the crowned king of God, was under human rule and law. He even paid his tax. The point is, even before coming to the earth, he was described as a master worker for God, Jehovah in heaven. He was the firstborn of ALL creation and before anything else was created he existed. That is why it is said that everything came THROUGH him. When something comes through you, you are not the source but a means through which that thing is actualized.
Jesus never at any time claimed to take the glory of God. He prayed and bowed to God. God never bowed to Jesus. God never prayed to Jesus.

removetheturban:
but i quoted where God called Jesus God na.. He said thy throne oh God... That was not the question that I asked. Where did Jesus call himself God? Another Trinitarian quote that they hold so dearly. Hebrews 1:8 is from Psalms 45:6 Which is best translated as “But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness”.

hehehehehehe u av a problem with that scripture too? Ok explain succinctly using annotated diagram .

Tell me wat it means to u

removetheturban:
With all the resources within your reach, you are not able to prove a simple subject concerning the person of Jesus. With my hands tied down and a bible in my palm, I have been able to prove to you what your pastors have failed at for decades. Elohim means God but you brought in a pagan doctrine and try to blaspheme the word of God. Thank God I came to check on you.

Why really was Jesus called a son and not a mate or father? Do you think Jesus would have been pleased to be called father?

i have as a matter of fact but like d jews paul d apostle argued with for months, u are holding rather to ur tradition instead of d word... Even if u didn't take anything from this thread am sure u came to realize that Jesus was executed by the Roman government on the cross and that the name Jehova is just a conjoining of Yahweh and adonai..

salvation101:
Paul spent 3 good months trying to reason scripture with the jews, i am not there yet.

haha nice joke. Now, here are parts of the things that he tried to reason with them 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Corinthians 8:6
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
6 For us there is only one God, and he is our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also have life through him.

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; [quote author=salvation101 post=63997438]Paul went into the synagogue and spoke very boldly. He continued doing this for three months. He talked with the Jews, trying to persuade them to accept what he was telling them about God’s kingdom. But some of them became stubborn and refused to believe. In front of everyone, they said bad things about the Way. So Paul left these Jews and took the Lord’s followers with him. He went to a place where a man named Tyrannus had a school. There Paul talked with people every day. He did this for two years. Because of this work, everyone in Asia, Jews and Greeks, heard the word of the Lord.
Acts 19:8‭-‬10 ERV[/quote Paul I have been speaking the words that Paul spoke to you very boldly for months now and still you are playing the role of the Pharisees. Did you know all these and still refute?