butterflyl1on:


Nobody is scared of worms or having their DEAD BODY eaten by them but here is my thing, why then do you see life as important (like you being and remaining alive) if at the end of the day you simply die and that's it for you and the worms have a buffet?

If this world is so terrible and so full of selfishness and chaos and pain as you believe why do you not simply take the easy way out and end it all? It shouldn't be so hard to do for someone like you should it?

I think the fact that our life is limited is what makes it valuable i.e we should make sure we live well, eat well,treat people fairly etc.

I am not against ending it all when one is unable to bear existence.

pesty100:

Care to illustrate what "STOP BEING A LAZY SELFISH ATHEIST!" means. I take offence at being called lazy and selfish.

How is the Excruciating pain someone with cancer that is terminal feels necessary? Or someone whose leg is cut off but still feels pain from the phantom limb necessary? For we human even though pain is necessary in some situations there are plenty of other situations where it's unnecessary and we still feel it. I don't want to bring a child into the world where the child might end up having to live with pain that's unnecessary.


My worldview isn't devoid of hope it's objective. Seeing things as they are doesn't necessarily mean that one is hopeless.

Your entire comments on this thread about what your worldview perceives about the world is all bleak and colourless. (maybe you should go through all your comments again and assess them) this makes your worldview a hopeless one QED.

You are a lazy and selfish atheist and it's no insult. After all your worldview declared that your world is full of the same.

Why do you foresee cancer and amputations on behalf of someone who hasn't been born yet? What is the ratio of people with limb amputations and cancer in the world compared to the population of the entire world? Are you an amputee? Do you have cancer? Did anybody in your family die from it?

To be honest your excuses are ridiculous and anyone reading this would see it.

butterflyl1on:


Damn right I chose my job purpose, I can choose my wife (that's another purpose). I can choose my car or kind of apartment (that's another purpose) but here lies the difference between you and I. I do not choose these various purposes for selfish reasons. I choose them for sake of helping in my own way to make this world a much better place, to help someone, to bring joy to someone and to use it to preach my Jesus who is the catalyst for all hope, joy, faith, love, peace, kindness, goodness etc which are all ways of seasoning this world which you claim is selfish, chaotic and full of pain.

Now between this worldview I have mentioned here and yours which do you logically think makes a hell of a lot more sense to a world you claim is messed up? Is it yours that has NO PURPOSE AND OFFERS NOTHING or mine which offers all of the above to your world of chaos, pain and selfishness?

If you choose your purpose based on belief how then is It selfless since you are doing it to satisfy your desire to please God? And not because you empathise with the plight of another person.
If you worldview as you claimed offer those to the world at the price of being untrue why then should I be obligated to believe a lie.

pesty100:

If you choose your purpose based on belief how then is It selfless since you are doing it to satisfy your desire to please God? And not because you empathise with the plight of another person.
If you worldview as you claimed offer those to the world at the price of being untrue why then should I obligated to believe a lie.

Hmm. Casually following.

butterflyl1on:


If you say NO GODS EXIST, How do you know this? Have you seen all and been everywhere both on earth and beyond to know this? Have you tasted death to know that there is nothing beyond it?

Please explain this omniscient ability you exclusively own to me.

There is no objective evidence to support the existence of a God. In the absence of objective evidence i hold firm

butterflyl1on:


Your entire comments on this thread about what your worldview perceives about the world is all bleak and colourless. (maybe you should go through all your comments again and assess them) this makes your worldview a hopeless one QED.

You are a lazy and selfish atheist and it's no insult. After all your worldview declared that your world is full of the same.

Why do you foresee cancer and amputations on behalf of someone who hasn't been born yet? What is the ratio of people with limb amputations and cancer in the world compared to the population of the entire world? Are you an amputee? Do you have cancer? Did anybody in your family die from it?

To be honest your excuses are ridiculous and anyone reading this would see it.

Hope is an human construct, it's existence is based on the human who feels its existence.

No i don't forsee great pain for my potential offspring am not just willing to take that bet on their behalf. And I'd appreciated it if someone didn't take that bet on my behalf.

butterflyl1on:


Your entire comments on this thread about what your worldview perceives about the world is all bleak and colourless. (maybe you should go through all your comments again and assess them) this makes your worldview a hopeless one QED.

You are a lazy and selfish atheist and it's no insult. After all your worldview declared that your world is full of the same.

Why do you foresee cancer and amputations on behalf of someone who hasn't been born yet? What is the ratio of people with limb amputations and cancer in the world compared to the population of the entire world? Are you an amputee? Do you have cancer? Did anybody in your family die from it?

To be honest your excuses are ridiculous and anyone reading this would see it.

How has my worldveiw declared that atheists are selfish and lazy people?

If viewing the world objectivity and in a realistic fashion leads it to being bleak and colourless. How is it the fault of atheism?

pesty100:

I think the fact that our life is limited is what makes it valuable i.e we should make sure we live well, eat well,treat people fairly etc.

I am not against ending it all when one is unable to bear existence.

You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

TayserMahiri:


You are an idiot for having the name science in your moniker but trying to call blackholes and dark matter superstition.

prove me wrong SHITBAG!!!

pesty100:

If you choose your purpose based on belief how then is It selfless since you are doing it to satisfy your desire to please God? And not because you empathise with the plight of another person.
If you worldview as you claimed offer those to the world at the price of being untrue why then should I be obligated to believe a lie.

My worldview is meant to please God who isn't earthly but man who is earthly is the one to physically reap the produce. (do you get it now?)

My desire to please others is what is known as selflessness . If I had said I desire to please myself then I would be selfish.

I hope you have not forgotten the definition of selflessness and selfishness

selflessness
noun
concern more with the needs and wishes of others than with one's own.

selfishness
noun
the quality or state of being selfish; lack of consideration for other people.

Which of these two definitions matches my comment below

Damn right I chose my job purpose, I can choose my wife (that's another purpose). I can choose my car or kind of apartment (that's another purpose) but here lies the difference between you and I. I do not choose these various purposes for selfish reasons. I choose them for sake of helping in my own way to make this world a much better place, to help someone, to bring joy to someone and to use it to preach my Jesus who is the catalyst for all hope, joy, faith, love, peace, kindness, goodness etc which are all ways of seasoning this world which you claim is selfish, chaotic and full of pain.

Now between this worldview I have mentioned here and yours which do you logically think makes a hell of a lot more sense to a world you claim is messed up? Is it yours that has NO PURPOSE AND OFFERS NOTHING or mine which offers all of the above to your world of chaos, pain and selfishness?

Can you see selfishness in the above quote? Compare it with both definitions and correct your error.

pesty100:


How has my worldveiw declared that atheists are selfish and lazy people?

If viewing the world objectivity and in a realistic fashion leads it to being bleak and colourless. How is it the fault of atheism?

Atheism led you to that point being the hopeless, lack of purpose and nothing to offer worldview it is.

pesty100:

There is no objective evidence to support the existence of a God. In the absence of objective evidence i hold firm

What evidence have you gotten to declare there is no god? I asked you if you are omniscient? Have you been everywhere known and unknown to arrive at this position.

Evidence in this case is meant to be sought and gotten by you. So how has your omniscience been able to arrive at such a conclussion when you are clearly limited as a human as you have kept repeating?

pesty100:


Hope is an human construct, it's existence is based on the human who feels its existence.

No i don't forsee great pain for my potential offspring am not just willing to take that bet on their behalf. And I'd appreciated it if someone didn't take that bet on my behalf.

Hope is a reality. It's an inbuilt mechanism in all beings. It's not a deliberate construct of ours. we have nothing to do about it. IT JUST IS! it can be magnified or lessened but nevertheless, IT IS!

so if you somehow got someone pregnant you would immediately seek for an abortion since you do not want to take this risk.

butterflyl1on:


You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

Well done Butterfly1on Sir, your well planned probing questions has forced that Pesty Nigga to blow his own cover. All that is left now is for you go in and arrest him in front of his Homies with the authority of the creator God invested in you. IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME.

butterflyl1on:


You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

How is life being valuable in conflict with ending life when it's too painful??

When have i said that the only thing I find in life is pain and selfishness? I merely acknowledged the existence of both. Am not saying in essence that only pain and selfishness exist. I acknowledge that pleasure and self fulfillment exists also.

Are you saying someone under really excruciating pain should be allowed to stay alive to feel excruciating pain when they have consented to death even when we know that their situation is terminal?

butterflyl1on:


Hope is a reality. It's an inbuilt mechanism in all beings. It's not a deliberate construct of ours. we have nothing to do about it. IT JUST IS! it can be magnified or lessened but nevertheless, IT IS!

so if you somehow got someone pregnant you would immediately seek for an abortion since you do not want to take this risk.

I would make sure that I don't impregnate anyone

butterflyl1on:


My worldview is meant to please God who isn't earthly but man who is earthly is the one to physically reap the produce. (do you get it now?)

My desire to please others is what is known as selflessness . If I had said I desire to please myself then I would be selfish.

I hope you have not forgotten the definition of selflessness and selfishness

selflessness
noun
concern more with the needs and wishes of others than with one's own.

selfishness
noun
the quality or state of being selfish; lack of consideration for other people.

Which of these two definitions matches my comment below




Can you see selfishness in the above quote? Compare it with both definitions and correct your error.

Does it pleases you to please God?
Would you be unplease if you didn't please God?

pesty100:

I would make sure that I don't impregnate anyone

You can only speak for yourself and not for the other party who tangos with you?

pesty100:

Does it pleases you to please God?
Would you be unplease if you didn't please God?

Is God earthly? Check the definition of selflessness and selfishness

Pleasing others often comes at a cost to you as a person. It is not always pleasant or pleasurable but when we still go ahead and please others despite these uncomfortable position then are we selfless.

The definition of selflessness does not say you do not consider yourself what it says is that YOU CONSIDER OTHERS ABOVE YOURS. This means when compared, you often CHOOSE others above yours. Get it now?

butterflyl1on:


What evidence have you gotten to declare there is no god? I asked you if you are omniscient? Have you been everywhere known and unknown to arrive at this position.

Evidence in this case is meant to be sought and gotten by you. So how has your omniscience been able to arrive at such a conclussion when you are clearly limited as a human as you have kept repeating?

I have seen no objective evidence for the existence of a God that's enough for me.

butterflyl1on:


You can only speak for yourself and not for the other party who tangos with you?

Other party? I hope you know that humans don't engage in sex only for procreation

butterflyl1on:


Is God earthly? Check the definition of selflessness and selfishness

Pleasing others often comes at a cost to you as a person. It is not always pleasant or pleasurable but when we still go ahead and please others despite these uncomfortable position then are we selfless.

The definition of selflessness does not say you do not consider yourself what it says is that YOU CONSIDER OTHERS ABOVE YOURS. This means when compared, you often CHOOSE others above yours. Get it now?

God isn't earthly and you know this because the Bible says so. You please other people to please God to please your self. Please don't start twisting the definition of selflessness.

pesty100:

Other party? I hope you know that humans don't engage in sex only for procreation

I hope you know that some ladies engage in sex for sake of procreation.

pesty100:

God isn't earthly and you know this because the Bible says so. You please other people to please God to please your self. Please don't start twisting the definition of selflessness.

You are the one trying to twist things. Pleasing others ISNT ALWAYS meant to please you. It can and indeed will displease you often.

You can please others and still be angry at them same second. Hate their ways, feel disgusted. All these are not pleasurable to you but regardless of how you feel you still help them, give to them, etc. This is what selflessness is and if anyone told you that being selfless guarantees you pleasure then that person is misleading you.

Aren't you guys arguing partly from a faulty premise that 'religion', is this case Christianity is the opposite of 'Atheism'?

Well, I understand that Atheism is a stance, just like Theism.

cc. butterflyl1on , pesty100

what's up with these insectivorous names

butterflyl1on:


I hope you know that some ladies engage in sex for sake of procreation.

That's the problem of those ladies. I will at least make sure that am on the same page with my lady

butterflyl1on:


Damn right I chose my job purpose, I can choose my wife (that's another purpose). I can choose my car or kind of apartment (that's another purpose) but here lies the difference between you and I. I do not choose these various purposes for selfish reasons. I choose them for sake of helping in my own way to make this world a much better place, to help someone, to bring joy to someone and to use it to preach my Jesus who is the catalyst for all hope, joy, faith, love, peace, kindness, goodness etc which are all ways of seasoning this world which you claim is selfish, chaotic and full of pain.

Now between this worldview I have mentioned here and yours which do you logically think makes a hell of a lot more sense to a world you claim is messed up? Is it yours that has NO PURPOSE AND OFFERS NOTHING or mine which offers all of the above to your world of chaos, pain and selfishness?

Wow, you have brought me to me knees Sir. I feel inspired to let go of my own highly flawed scientific thinking and bow to the awesome magnificence of what Jesus is offering to all those that come closer.

You have wisely highlighted the incredible difference between an Atheists choice and your choice. Atheists won't be able to understand what I am going to say to you now;

Butterfly1on Sir, You are the salt of the earth.
You are the head and not the tail. Atheists are the tail.
The spirits rule our lives both from the Dark side and the Light. You Sir, are from the Light because your ideas can only come from that Light, if it was merely mental agreement, it would not have the force I witness in you. SALUTE !!

DeSepiero:
Aren't you guys arguing partly from a faulty premise that 'religion', is this case Christianity is the opposite of 'Atheism'?

Well, I understand that Atheism is a stance, just like Theism.

cc. butterflyl1on , pesty100

what's up with these insectivorous names

Elucidate

Lol a pest and a butterfly?

DeSepiero:
Aren't you guys arguing partly from a faulty premise that 'religion', is this case Christianity is the opposite of 'Atheism'?

Well, I understand that Atheism is a stance, just like Theism.

cc. butterflyl1on , pesty100

what's up with these insectivorous names

NO!

We are analysing worldviews and not what you think. Nobody is playing the game of words and opposites here.

pesty100:

That's the problem of those ladies. I will at least make sure that am on the same page with my lady

You know that isn't possible. The only way you can be on the same page of a certainty is if you have ABSOLUTE CONTROL of her thoughts so can stop her from thinking in certain ways even without her knowledge.

butterflyl1on:


You know that isn't possible. The only way you can be on the same page of a certainty is if you have ABSOLUTE CONTROL of her thoughts so can stop her from thinking in certain ways even without her knowledge.

Let's leave this alone with me and the lady planning on having sex in the foreseeable future ehn?

ScienceWatch:
Wow, you have brought me to me knees Sir. I feel inspired to let go of my own highly flawed scientific thinking and bow to the awesome magnificence of what Jesus is offering to all those that come closer.

You have wisely highlighted the incredible difference between an Atheists choice and your choice. Atheists won't be able to understand what I am going to say to you now;

Butterfly1on Sir, You are the salt of the earth.
You are the head and not the tail. Atheists are the tail.
The spirits rule our lives both from the Dark side and the Light. You Sir, are from the Light because your ideas can only come from that Light, if it was merely mental agreement, it would not have the force I witness in you. SALUTE !!

I follow your lead sir.

You just declared something prophetic to me now and do not even know it.