butterflyl1on:


Is God earthly? Check the definition of selflessness and selfishness

Pleasing others often comes at a cost to you as a person. It is not always pleasant or pleasurable but when we still go ahead and please others despite these uncomfortable position then are we selfless.

The definition of selflessness does not say you do not consider yourself what it says is that YOU CONSIDER OTHERS ABOVE YOURS. This means when compared, you often CHOOSE others above yours. Get it now?

if you were to consider others above yourself, that means that you are not considering yourself. If you help people in need not because you empathize with them only but because you empathise and obey God. The n empathising to obey God and helping gets done out of a selfish reason i.e to obey God

pesty100:
if you were to consider others above yourself, that means that you are not considering yourself. If you help people in need not because you empathize with them only but because you empathise and obey God. The n empathising to obey God and helping gets done out of a selfish reason i.e to obey God

Wrong!

The phrase is considers others ABOVE yourself and not CONSIDER OTHERS ENTIRELY! If you look hard enough you would notice the difference.

I repeat pleasure does not always follow selflessness. Selflessness can come with emotional pain and trauma especially when your efforts at doing good is turned around to make you look bad or actually does.

So claiming that pleasure ALWAYS accompanies selflessness is an error on your part.

butterflyl1on:


Wrong!

The phrase is considers others ABOVE yourself and not CONSIDER OTHERS ENTIRELY! If you look hard enough you would notice the difference.

I repeat pleasure does not always follow selflessness. Selflessness can come with emotional pain and trauma especially when your efforts at doing good is turned around to make you look bad or actually does.

So claiming that pleasure ALWAYS accompanies selflessness is an error on your part.

True

butterflyl1on:


Wrong!

The phrase is considers others ABOVE yourself and not CONSIDER OTHERS ENTIRELY! If you look hard enough you would notice the difference.

I repeat pleasure does not always follow selflessness. Selflessness can come with emotional pain and trauma especially when your efforts at doing good is turned around to make you look bad or actually does.

So claiming that pleasure ALWAYS accompanies selflessness is an error on your part.

What am trying to say that you don't get is if you are selfless because you want to obey God then you are selfish.

pesty100:

Elucidate

Lol a pest and a butterfly?

Yea

I'm interested in the query by Butterflyl1on. Being irreligious or atheistic shouldn't compel you to stop at seeing the world for what it truly is. Of course, life is somewhat hopeless; we live to die someday. Consciousness is Pain. However, religious Ideologies provide hope. Be it false or not, the hope is real to those who experience it; its their reality.
Though I'm irreligious and poke holes in the Christian doctrine for its many outrageous and unfounded claims, I give it credit for the hope (opium) it successfully provides the hopeless populace. We all need to be happy whether theist or atheist.

Ignorance is bliss, but its price is destruction!

pesty100:

What am trying to say that you don't get is if you are selfless because you want to obey God then you are selfish.

No!

If I am selfless because I want to obey God it's simply because I CHOSE to obey him not for me but for the sake of others. I could have as well chosen to disobey him and live for myself.

Do you see the difference again?

pesty100:

I would make sure that I don't impregnate anyone

Yes abortion is one of the destructive solutions Atheism has to offer. Hitler was an undercover Atheist, it is frightening to see the implications of this for an unwary humanity.

As an undercover Atheist Hitler offered humanity abortions, institutionalized euthanasia, horrific Frontal Labotomies without anesthesia, gas chambers to solve racial problems.

Pesty100, your Atheist beliefs will make Hitler proud. You will make a women suffer for your selfish lust. Atheists force their woman to undergo cruel Sterilization or use poisonous medication to block all pregnancy while the Atheist greedily deposits his SATANIC sperm into her, year after year as her soul dries up.

butterflyl1on:


No!

If I am selfless because I want to obey God it's simply because I CHOSE to obey him not for me but for the sake of others. I could have as well chosen to disobey him and live for myself.

Do you see the difference again?

Maybe in 10 years from now. Pesty100 is in da hood, his Homies are checking him like, like.

Dis Nigga gonna stir the pot long after the meal is cooked, cause he ain't gonna share wit his Homies. Pesty bro, What's up my Nigga, ya'll gonna leaven the dough or what?

Are you init to winit?

ScienceWatch:
Maybe in 10 years from now. Pesty100 is in da hood, his Homies are checking him like, like.

Dis Nigga gonna stir the pot long after the meal is cooked, cause he ain't gonna share wit his Homies. Petty bro, What's up my Nigga, ya'll gonna leaven the dough or what?

Are you init to winit?

He just may not get what you just said.

butterflyl1on:


No!

If I am selfless because I want to obey God it's simply because I CHOSE to obey him not for me but for the sake of others. I could have as well chosen to disobey him and live for myself.

Do you see the difference again?

are you willing not to go to hell for the sake of others?

ScienceWatch:
Yes abortion is one of the destructive solutions Atheism has to offer. Hitler was an undercover Atheist, it is frightening to see the implications of this for an unwary humanity.

As an undercover Atheist Hitler offered humanity abortions, institutionalized euthanasia, horrific Frontal Labotomies without anesthesia, gas chambers to solve racial problems.

Pesty100, your Atheist beliefs will make Hitler proud. You will make a women suffer for your selfish lust. Atheists force their woman to undergo cruel Sterilization or use poisonous medication to block all pregnancy while the Atheist greedily deposits his SATANIC sperm into her, year after year as her soul dries up.

this is nonsense in its purest form

ScienceWatch:
Maybe in 10 years from now. Pesty100 is in da hood, his Homies are checking him like, like.

Dis Nigga gonna stir the pot long after the meal is cooked, cause he ain't gonna share wit his Homies. Petty bro, What's up my Nigga, ya'll gonna leaven the dough or what?

Are you init to winit?

Elucidate

pesty100:

What am trying to say that you don't get is if you are selfless because you want to obey God then you are selfish.

HHHaaaaa,hic hic haa I just drove over a damn pavement now due to a fit of uncontrollable laughter.

Forgive me. Pesty100 what you are in fact saying is that an Atheist is too selfish to serve God. But unconsciously you twist it out of habit to trap an unwary reader.

The deep truths that Butterfly1on is so kindly sharing here is meant to encourage those innocent, loving, God worshiping persons that have to endure the heartless scorn of Satanic Atheism.

butterflyl1on:




He just may not get what you just said.

i didn't

ScienceWatch:
HHHaaaaa,hic hic haa I just drove over a damn pavement now due to a fit of uncontrollable laughter.

Forgive me. Pesty100 what you are in fact saying is that an Atheist is too selfish to serve God. But unconsciously you twist it out of habit to trap an unwary reader.

The deep truths that Butterfly1on is so kindly sharing here is meant to encourage those innocent, loving, God worshiping persons that have to endure the heartless scorn of Satanic Atheism.

don't read nairaland land while driving!!! Stupid decisions results in bad things.

That's definitely not what am trying to say

pesty100:
are you willing not to go to hell for the sake of others?

I am willing to live for the sake of others not based on any reward as an incentive but because it is a life I CHOSE to live.
You need to understand this simple thing. Selflessness does not mean there is a reward attached to it.

butterflyl1on:




He just may not get what you just said.

Lol very loud !!!
You are right again, Pesty100 just asked me very shyly to explain what Nigga, winit, init, leaven, Homies and stir the pot mean.

In fact he used the Bling Bling word, elucidate.
Now, does that not up the game for a low IQ Nigga?

ScienceWatch:
Lol very loud !!!
You are right again, Pesty100 just asked me very shyly to explain what Nigga, winit, init, leaven, Homies and stir the pot mean.

In fact he used the Bling Bling word, elucidate.
Now, does that not up the game for a low IQ Nigga?

This guy you are simply impossible.

pesty100:

don't read nairaland land while driving!!! Stupid decisions results in bad things.

That's definitely not what am trying to say

You are saying exactly what your Atheist leaders Richard Dawkins and Harris was teaching from their Satanic podiums.

butterflyl1on:


I never said atheism had dogmas all I asked is what the alternative aimed to achieve and what direction does it aim to lead as an alternative. (do you get it now?)

So you do not know what atheism has to offer humanity? Is that statement of yours not showing that I was right all along that atheism is hopeless? Is a blind guide leading the blind.

Since you personally do not know what atheism has to offer humanity WHAT THEN IS YOUR PERSONAL PURPOSE FOR BEING AN ATHEIST?

at least people become something or follow something for a reason. Are you following blindly? Your "I don't know" declaration says you are.

Butterdflyl1on your questions are indeed deep and probing ones, in the domain of Satanism.
My experience is that most people embrace Atheism have criminal tendencies, they are easily recruited from criminal gangs, children that hate their parents, those that hate authority, those that hate moral and ethical restraints and bullies.

Serious Satanists troll Sites for Atheists because atheists are already spiritually separated and therefore are easy pickings.

I notice in many of your refreshing dialogues with Atheists, that you are very aware of their deception when you ask them questions about Atheists purpose and mission in humanity.

Satanism is at its very core Atheistic. Therefore Atheism as we experience it is but a tool of recruitment deeper into Satanism.

butterflyl1on:


You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

The hopelessness he is declaring in Atheism, is at the heart of Satanism.
Satanists have created Atheism, as a highly effective recruitment tool. Much of Atheists arguments can be traced back to HItler, He used the same principles to crush every Godly thing in Europe, Germany.

butterflyl1on:


You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

That is why most atheists are under-achievers in many areas of life . The nihilistic thoughts about life will always preclude atheists from doing something meaningful with life .

Please have you seen grizzlybear bro ? I hope he hasn't committed suicide

butterflyl1on:




He just may not get what you just said.

Atheists dont get it when you speak simple and straight, they dont get truth, now they dont get it when one speaks in code. Lol. Very loud !!!

DeSepiero:

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Though I'm irreligious and poke holes in the Christian doctrine for its many outrageous and unfounded claims.
!

What holes are you poking in Christian doctrine? You people know so little about Christian theology and are very delusional if you think you are poking holes .

Atheism starting from its definition has holes in it . The 'Lack of belief in God ' definition makes rocks , tissues , even the planets atheists . And when you lack something that means you are expected to have it . Meaning that atheism is like a deficiency. See? Holes everywhere !

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. "

butterflyl1on:


You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

Lol
Abeg lets ask him what is not limited on this planet that is valuable?
The guy is coonfused.

KingEbukasBlog:


That is why most atheists are under-achievers in many areas of life . The nihilistic thoughts about life will always preclude atheists from doing something meaningful with life .

Please have you seen grizzlybear bro ? I hope he hasn't committed suicide

All he sees is darkness and no beauty in this life. Give him access to rulership position and watch the true him emerge as he begins trying to enforce his worldview on the rest of the population.

Pesty100 you know gold and diamonds are limited on the planet hence their very high values right? If I gave you a stack of gold or a stack of diamonds and then one day you go blind and can no longer see them in all their beauty and glory would you throw them away because you went blind?

pesty100:
i didn't

Ok. lets try again for the very last time. Man lives a two-fold life, an outer material life and an inner emotional-mental life. His outward deeds and actions are simply the result of his inner thoughts and feelings.

The world which you do not see, the unseen world of thought and feeling, is the real world of causes ; the world which you see around is the world of mind/spirits effects.

Because man expresses his inner self by his outer actions, it may safely be said that his outer life corresponds to his inner life. The world as a whole in itself is nothing else but the expression of God/Overself, the very thought of God expressed.

Man, in his own little way, is also a creator and is creating his own world, the world of his own experiences the expression through which he lives. If mans tiny created world conflicts with the large God created world, man has then separated himself by his own actions and is easy prey to the opposite forces of Darkness.

butterflyl1on:


You are saying two conflicting things.

You say LIFE IS VALUABLE yet you say you would not hesitate to end it all if it becomes unbearable

This means life indeed isn't valuable to you. It's not it's limited nature that makes it valuable and if indeed this limitation makes it valuable why then do you see only pain, selfishness and suicide in it?

Is taking life more valuable than keeping life? You just said taking life (suicide) is more valuable than life itself (under certain conditions).

My worldview says that there is no condition that should be more valuable than life. Suicide is never an option even when all is seemingly unbearable.

You are still declaring the hopelessness in atheism for all to see

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor you need to read this with me o. My eyes have seen my ears.

Why do Atheists battle and sweat to understand what you are saying? Very sad.

Religions are the most effective institutions to teach man destiny. As a man creates his own destiny by his thoughts and feelings and actions he gets back unerringly from life sooner or later what he himself gives to life. There is no escape.

We are here to learn, to learn who and what we are. And to worship the Creator with obedience. That is the purpose of our birth, and the experiences of life are the lessons which will ultimately teach you. Mentorship is crucial to rapid progress. Choose a good mentor.

Mostly we learn blindly and unconsciously, but still we are learning. It is unfortunate that most men learn more from sufferings
than from pleasures. Unfortunate because they seldom learn enough with a single sorrow. It has to be repeated at great cost. Wisdom dont come cheap.

KingEbukasBlog:


That is why most atheists are under-achievers in many areas of life . The nihilistic thoughts about life will always preclude atheists from doing something meaningful with life .

Please have you seen grizzlybear bro ? I hope he hasn't committed suicide

Kingebukasblog, Compliments of the season to you and your family, it is good to see you back Sir.

You make goods points here. I trust you dont mind me adding what I have noticed, about something all Atheists have in common;
It is the way they use nerve racking circular questioning, they are trapped in this closed loop. They never get out, to consider solutions to the very problems their questions create. Their method of question creates an ever bigger stream of opportunities for themselves to feast on. They seem to believe that their questions are the highest expressions of knowledge.

Atheists are not solution driven. God help humanity if they were. Just look at what that Atheist Hitler came up with or recently the leader of Atheism Richard Dawkins. God help Humanity !!

To summarize: Atheists should stick to questions. Please leave solutions to world religions.

KingEbukasBlog:


What holes are you poking in Christian doctrine? You people know so little about Christian theology and are very delusional if you think you are poking holes .

Atheism starting from its definition has holes in it . The 'Lack of belief in God ' definition makes rocks , tissues , even the planets atheists . And when you lack something that means you are expected to have it . Meaning that atheism is like a deficiency. See? Holes everywhere !

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. "

I lack that Strong belief that a Jewish maiden conceived out of wedlock and birthed a son who died before I was born to save me from a place of eternal torment that he designed because this guy is God.

I lack a strong belief in many other unfounded myths and ancient folklore.

I lack a strong belief in Santa Claus, and spiderman.

I lack a strong belief that Buhari is the saviour of Nigeria.


Who says I'm expected to have those beliefs. How helpful are they?

Not all beliefs are necessary bro, grow up, wake from your fantasies and face reality !!

felixomor:

Lol
Abeg lets ask him what is not limited on this planet that is valuable?
The guy is coonfused.

Compliments of the season Felixomor, and to your family. It is good to see you again. Long time no see. Welcome back.

The confusion came when he started mixing abstract/spiritual ideas with his own.

I wish to gently add that he should hold it upper most in his mind that there are times when misfortunes are cups of blessing and they should be accepted. There are also times when good gifts are cups of poison, and they should be rejected. Only by spiritual wisdom can we judge between them.

The ego, is an enemy ; it can become our friend. It is our enemy so long as it monopolizes our attention.
It becomes our friend when we push ego aside and say, "Not my will, but Thy will be done." Jesus Christ is a great example of this.

If we look for that which is behind our personal self, our personal life, our mind, our body, for that what is true reality and spirit, you will find peace. No one can rob you of it ; no one can take it away from you. You will have found life eternal.

THE CONFUSION ENDS !!