butterflyl1on:
Pesty100 you know gold and diamonds are limited on the planet hence their very high values right? If I gave you a stack of gold or a stack of diamonds and then one day you go blind and can no longer see them in all their beauty and glory would you throw them away because you went blind?

You analogy does not share any similarities with the situation i posted.

pesty100:

You analogy does not share any similarities with the situation i posted.

1000% it does!

You said life is valuable due To it's limited nature (GOLD AND DIAMOND ARE ALSO VALUABLE DUE TO THEIR LIMITED NATURE)

you said you would not hesitate to take your own life if things become unbearable (this means if you no longer SEE any value to life based on your unbearable situation)

SEEING GOLD AND DIAMOND IS PART OF WHAT MAKES YOU APPRECIATE THEIR VALUE SO WHEN YOU GO BLIND AND CAN NO LONGER SEE THE GOLD AND DIAMOND AND CANNOT TELL IF WHAT YOUR HANDS ARE FEELING ARE ROCKS OR TRUE GOLD AND DIAMONDS WOULD YOU THROW THEM AWAY ( like you talked about ending it all)

Now that I have shown you the similarities you can go ahead and answer my question.

butterflyl1on:


1000% it does!

You said life is valuable due To it's limited nature (GOLD AND DIAMOND ARE ALSO VALUABLE DUE TO THEIR LIMITED NATURE)

you said you would not hesitate to take your own life if things become unbearable (this means if you no longer SEE any value to life based on your unbearable situation)

SEEING GOLD AND DIAMOND IS PART OF WHAT MAKES YOU APPRECIATE THEIR VALUE SO WHEN YOU GO BLIND AND CAN NO LONGER SEE THE GOLD AND DIAMOND AND CANNOT TELL IF WHAT YOUR HANDS ARE FEELING ARE ROCKS OR TRUE GOLD AND DIAMONDS WOULD YOU THROW THEM AWAY ( like you talked about ending it all)

Now that I have shown you the similarities you can go ahead and answer my question.

Can one conclude on the quality of a metal by sight alone?
You analogy would have been correct if it were along the lines of when does the gold stop being valuable, losing one's sight does diminish the value of gold, excruciating pain that only leads to death will surely diminish life's value.

If the gold with its value were to cause harm to humans then it starts to lose its value.

Hope you see the difference

pesty100:

Can one conclude on the quality of a metal by sight alone?
You analogy would have been correct if it were along the lines of when does the gold stop being valuable, losing one's sight does diminish the value of gold, excruciating pain that only leads to death will surely diminish life's value.

If the gold with its value were to cause harm to humans then it starts to lose its value.

Hope you see the difference

Now it's obvious you don't read to understand
Let Me post my comment again.

Pesty100 you know gold and diamonds are limited on the planet hence their very high values right? If I gave you a stack of gold or a stack of diamonds and then one day you go blind and can no longer see them in all their beauty and glory would you throw them away because you went blind?

From the above in bold you can see that the value was already determined and appreciated before you suddenly went blind ONE DAY!

since the value had already been gotten and all you now have to confirm its the same pieces now is only your sight and then ONE DAY you suddenly lose this much coveted sight and can no longer know if the diamonds or gold have been substituted by rocks since people now have to help you to move around and also help you get the gold and diamond. Would you throw them away since your sight which values them is now gone?

Loss of sight is pain enough as it is for someone who was once able to see so well.

What I just did above is a logical way of looking at issues holistically and not the tunnel vision you possess.

Would you throw them away or disregard them?

butterflyl1on:


Now it's obvious you don't read to understand
Let Me post my comment again.



From the above in bold you can see that the value was already determined and appreciated before you suddenly went blind ONE DAY!

since the value had already been gotten and all you now have to confirm its the same pieces now is only your sight and then ONE DAY you suddenly lose this much coveted sight and can no longer know if the diamonds or gold have been substituted by rocks since people now have to help you to move around and also help you get the gold and diamond. Would you throw them away since your sight which values them is now gone?

Loss of sight is pain enough as it is for someone who was once able to see so well.

What I just did above is a logical way of looking at issues holistically and not the tunnel vision you possess.

Would you throw them away or disregard them?

See the difference.

If something one value causes one unbearable pain leading that leads to imminent death then that something becomes invaluable.

Losing one's sight doesn't change the value of an object, e.g a blind man can confirm that money is different from paper by smell, the blind man could still confirm the value of the gold by using his son or someone he can trust.

Life is different from an object, an object loses its value when it cannot be used as a means of exchange i.e when it's too surlrplus or no one needs it.

Fact is One's life isn't at par with gold no matter how you try to twist it.

pesty100:


See the difference.

If something one value causes one unbearable pain leading that leads to imminent death then that something becomes invaluable.

Losing one's sight doesn't change the value of an object, e.g a blind man can confirm that money is different from paper by smell, the blind man could still confirm the value of the gold by using his son or someone he can trust.

Life is different from an object, an object loses its value when it cannot be used as a means of exchange i.e when it's too surlrplus or no one needs it.

Fact is One's life isn't at par with gold no matter how you try to twist it.

You have been caught in your own trap

I set the trap so well for you and you never even saw it coming

So for material things you can think up safeguards so well but for your life you would easily end it all due to what you call unbearable situations while what you call unbearable, someone else has borne it as if it was nothing.

So gold and diamonds cannot be equated to life yet you cannot discard gold and diamonds just like that but you can discard your life just like that.

I love it when my traps catch a big animal

butterflyl1on:


You have been caught in your own trap

I set the trap so well for you and you never even saw it coming

So for material things you can think up safeguards so well but for your life you would easily end it all due to what you call unbearable situations while what you call unbearable, someone else has borne it as if it was nothing.

So gold and diamonds cannot be equated to life yet you cannot discard gold and diamonds just like that but you can discard your life just like that.

I love it when my traps catch a big animal

You are delusional
EMPHASIS ON "excruciating pain that only leads to death will surely diminish life's value."

If the person can in only possibly was escape death in that situation why put him through excruciating pain?

pesty100:

You are delusional
EMPHASIS ON "excruciating pain that only leads to death will surely diminish life's value."

If the person can in only possibly was escape death in that situation why put him through excruciating pain?

Save yourself from your delusion my friend. Oh wait, you can't so let me help you alright?

All over my conversation with you, I have deliberately set traps for you which you unwittingly kept falling into and even when you fall in you still never realised it

Let me show you.

1. You admitted to being an atheist (which was the beginning of my trap)
2. You confessed that this atheism which you posses offers NO PURPOSE TO THE WORLD
3.. you confessed that this atheism which you posses offers NO HOPE TO THE WORLD
4. you admitted that as an atheist you can take your own life when you feel life is unbearable (in other words you have suicidal tendencies which atheism is pushing you to have due to the no purpose, no hope it offers)
5. You claim material things are more valuable than your life so you would make safeguards for them but not for your life when it matters most
6. You wish you had not been born and indeed would do all you can to prevent yourself or your spouse from having children.
6. All you said above confirmed your nihilistic nature as the atheist you are so have no value for life.

Summary, you are a ticking time bomb and a blight to the world if push comes to shove .

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor I have caught one atheist cow o

budaatum:

You are the classical example for people becoming atheists. You have not seen voodoo or witchcraft but believe it because your friend told you it is real. I assume another friend told you god is real, which is why you believe it?

I suggest you go to Ile Ife and report back what you observe with your own eyes please. I myself come from the Orolu Kingdom. We are well steeped in juju and witchcraft. It is a huge source of revenue due to 419 scams.

It's either you didnt get my point or you are trying as usual to be stubborn in your ignorance.

The fact that I believe the devil exist doesn't make me one of the worshipers. And that I believe charm works doesn't make me a charmer all I'm saying is you guys are Cowards.

I did not believe that charm works because someone told me but I believe because my Bible tells me. So get that understood.

I am a man of few words my guy.

Make yourselves available and I will proof to you guys Charm works just say your last words to your family members.

Since you don't believe it exists you need not to be afraid and telling me I should be the one to go to Ife shows how Chicken hearted you are. I am not the one claiming it doesn't exist you guys are.


Gather yourselves say your last bye bye and let's fix a date.

It's either you don't come back alive or you come disabled.

tamethem:


It's either you didnt get my point or you are trying as usual to be stubborn in your ignorance.

The fact that I believe the devil exist doesn't make me one of the worshipers. And that I believe charm works doesn't make me a charmer all I'm saying is you guys are Cowards.

I did not believe that charm works because someone told me but I believe because my Bible tells me. So get that understood.

I am a man of few words my guy.

Make yourselves available and I will proof to you guys Charm works just say your last words to your family members.

Since you don't believe it exists you need not to be afraid and telling me I should be the one to go to Ife shows how Chicken hearted you are. I am not the one claiming it doesn't exist you guys are.


Gather yourselves say your last bye bye and let's fix a date.

It's either you don't come back alive or you come disabled.

All of them have no guts.

Chickenhearted atheists everywhere you look.

ScienceWatch:
prove me wrong SHITBAG!!!

You only need a pen, paper and a pair of healthy buttocks then do some calculations (Singularity). I know you think you're so smart but you're just a religitard who thinks he knows everything simply because you read the bible. Get a book and follow Karl Swarzchild's solution to Einstein's theory of general relativity equation. A blackhole is a point of singularity. From your arguments, you are just a thickhead who is full of braggadocio I doubt you can even solve a basic mathematical problem.

butterflyl1on:


Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor, analize107 it's about to go down

Let's see if they would be able to send representatives as the cowards they are. All talk and no action.

Butterflyl1on Sir, I just got back now and saw this. Wow! Finally the Atheists are getting the right kind of challenges.
ITS ABOUT TO GO DOWN !!

We should give Tamethem a big welcome, Sir. I leave it in your very capable hands.

I am following.

tamethem:


My guy many of you guys are empty bragging cowards.
I am a Christian and I guess I shouldn't be saying what I am about saying but the claims of your likes gets me annoyed and I think you guys need to be taught some life lessons.

You claim there is no God because you can't see Him and He would not reveal himself and you can't feel Him. But if you wanna feel the devil you will because he is cheap.

All you NL atheist should garther yourselves and get set to know if voodoo charms and witchcraft are real just pick a date and say bye bye to your families. I have a friend who is not a Christian who grew up in Ile Ife and very close to the typical locals with some powers that don't exist according to you guys, I would just tell him to take you guys to Ife and straight to some babas who just by their words from a distance without touching you would make all of you go blind for the rest of your lives or even make you dry up on the spot. And you may not return alive or may return half dead. Just make sure you have written your wills and give your last words before leaving home.

By the time you see the wonders of the devil in your lives no one would convince you to believe in God.

Please do a meeting reach a conclusion and get back to me. I mean this.

Tamethem, this is an excellent point you made earlier to Atheists, which Kingebukasblog, Butterflyl1on, Vaxx, Sonofthunder and others have been fiercely disproving.

I see you pointing your fore-finger at Atheist saying, "You claim there is no God because you can't see Him and He would not reveal himself and you can't feel Him. But if you wanna feel the devil you will because he is cheap."

There is no God because you can't see Him and He would not reveal himself and you can't feel Him. These words are the holy Grail of Atheism. It is a Hymnal rap song at their very small gatherings. It is the chorus of their only worship song.

It is the motto at every school built by Atheists: JESUS NEVER EXISTED. There is no God because you can't see Him and He would not reveal himself and you can't feel Him.

I see you peeping here Martinez19, I see you moniker flashing at the bottom of this page, then disappearing, then back again.

Show yourself, be brave. Face your worst nightmares today. Welcome to do the tests that will shatter Atheists delusions forever.

tamethem:


It's either you didnt get my point or you are trying as usual to be stubborn in your ignorance.

The fact that I believe the devil exist doesn't make me one of the worshipers. And that I believe charm works doesn't make me a charmer all I'm saying is you guys are Cowards.

I did not believe that charm works because someone told me but I believe because my Bible tells me. So get that understood.

I am a man of few words my guy.

Make yourselves available and I will proof to you guys Charm works just say your last words to your family members.

Since you don't believe it exists you need not to be afraid and telling me I should be the one to go to Ife shows how Chicken hearted you are. I am not the one claiming it doesn't exist you guys are.


Gather yourselves say your last bye bye and let's fix a date.

It's either you don't come back alive or you come disabled.

What you say is very scary, but at the same time absolutely TRUE. Most of us dont know that we are ruled by the spirit world and that there are only two sides we can choose from... Dark side or Light side.

We have been conned by fake science to believe that we are masters of our own destiny, that what we think is all that matter.
That the powers and control by invisible spirits are fictious and therfore imaginary.

ATHEISTS THAT TAKE THIS TEST WILL COME BACK WITH SHOCKING REVELATIONS.

I see you peeping here Hopefullandlord, I see you moniker flashing at the bottom of this page, then disappearing, then back again, then disappearing, then back again .....

Show yourself, be brave. Face your worst nightmares today. Welcome to do the tests that will shatter Atheists delusions forever.

ScienceWatch:
Butterflyl1on Sir, I just got back now and saw this. Wow! Finally the Atheists are getting the right kind of challenges.
ITS ABOUT TO GO DOWN !!

We should give Tamethem a big welcome, Sir. I leave it in your very capable hands.

I am following.

See my brother I used to be a very bad stammerer until God helped me. Being a stammerer taught me one thing. Instead of wasting your saliver struggling to convince people on a point ACTION makes it easier. Example is " I can Beat You" "No you cant" Why the arguments ? Go into Action if you are sure of yourselves. It's Simple

Enough of wasting time with these atheists arguing. They say there is no witchcraft. Voodoo or Charms OK. I will help them to know there are Negative forces in the world and may be by that they would end up believing God exists.

At least every sane person knows if negative force exists Positive force must exist.

And if at the end of the day they loose their lives in the test at least their situation would have helped other atheists to get to know there is God.

Let them have a meeting get a date and make announcement on NL that per adventure they die in the process no One should be held responsible.

I will surely help them know that Witchcraft exists my Bible says so and my Culture says so.
Voodoo Exists my Bible says so and my Culture says so.
As my Bible can't be wrong, my forefathers are not fools from generation to generation.

I am not afraid to see them Die cause I won't have pity on them. And it would even be better if that happens because it will be a big News and by that help others with same mindset.

They should not be afraid because in their beliefs they are "Right" "Nothing Exists"

butterflyl1on:


Save yourself from your delusion my friend. Oh wait, you can't so let me help you alright?

All over my conversation with you, I have deliberately set traps for you which you unwittingly kept falling into and even when you fall in you still never realised it

Let me show you.

1. You admitted to being an atheist (which was the beginning of my trap)
2. You confessed that this atheism which you posses offers NO PURPOSE TO THE WORLD
3.. you confessed that this atheism which you posses offers NO HOPE TO THE WORLD
4. you admitted that as an atheist you can take your own life when you feel life is unbearable (in other words you have suicidal tendencies which atheism is pushing you to have due to the no purpose, no hope it offers)
5. You claim material things are more valuable than your life so you would make safeguards for them but not for your life when it matters most
6. You wish you had not been born and indeed would do all you can to prevent yourself or your spouse from having children.
6. All you said above confirmed your nihilistic nature as the atheist you are so have no value for life.

Summary, you are a ticking time bomb and a blight to the world if push comes to shove .

Sciencewatch, kingebukasblog, felixomor I have caught one atheist cow o

Butterflyl1on Sir, I have noticed how effectively to manage to get Atheists to reveal theIR darkest secrets. Now I can see more clearly why they refuse to directly answer the simple question that world religions are asking them, which is ;

WHAT DOES ATHEISM HAVE TO OFFER HUMANITY, THAT IS SUPERIOR TO WORLD RELIGIONS ?

tamethem:


See my brother I used to be a very bad stammerer until God helped me. Being a stammerer taught me one thing. Instead of wasting your saliver struggling to convince people on a point of ACTION makes it easier. Example is " I can Beat You" "No you cant" Why the arguments ? Go into Action if you are sure of yourselves. It's Simple

Enough of wasting time with these atheists arguing. They say there is no witchcraft. Voodoo or Charms OK. I will help them to know there are Negative forces in the world and may be by that they would end up believing God exists.

At least every sane person knows if negative force exists Positive force must exist.

And if at the end of the day they loose their lives in the test at least their situation would have helped other atheists to get to know there is God.

Let them have a meeting get a date and make announcement on NL that per adventure they die in the process no One should be held responsible.

I will surely help them know that Witchcraft exists my Bible says so and my Culture says so.
Voodoo Exists my Bible says so and my Culture says so.
As my Bible can't be wrong, my forefathers are not fools from generation to generation.

I am not afraid to see them Die cause I won't have pity on them. And it would even be better if that happens because it will be a big News and by that help others with same mindset.

They should not be afraid because in their beliefs they are "Right" "Nothing Exists"

Wow Wow ! Excellent ! I must repeat what awesome power you learned from your setback Tamethem, which is; "Instead of wasting your saliver struggling to convince people on a point of ACTION makes it easier. Example is "I can Beat You" "No you cant" Why the arguments ?
Go into Action if you are sure of yourselves. It's Simple

ATHEISTS HAS BEEN SAYING FOR TOO LONG, "I can beat you."

Now it is 2018 ! It is action time. Action separates the men from the boys. TALK IS CHEAP, BUT BRANDY COST MONEY - Sydney Potier

DeSepiero:


I'd still say that your ignorance is not my concern. I'm not obliged to teach you. look for another Master.

You are saying you are a master, I will never say that about you, considering.

ScienceWatch:
Wow Wow ! Excellent ! I must repeat what awesome power you learned from your setback Tamethem, which is; "Instead of wasting your saliver struggling to convince people on a point of ACTION makes it easier. Example is "I can Beat You" "No you cant" Why the arguments ?
Go into Action if you are sure of yourselves. It's Simple

ATHEISTS HAS BEEN SAYING FOR TOO LONG, "I can beat you."

Now it is 2018 ! It is action time. Action separates the men from the boys. TALK IS CHEAP, BUT BRANDY COST MONEY - Sydney Potier

Iol,

Na so

tamethem:


My guy many of you guys are empty bragging cowards.
I am a Christian and I guess I shouldn't be saying what I am about saying but the claims of your likes gets me annoyed and I think you guys need to be taught some life lessons.

You claim there is no God because you can't see Him and He would not reveal himself and you can't feel Him. But if you wanna feel the devil you will because he is cheap.

All you NL atheist should garther yourselves and get set to know if voodoo charms and witchcraft are real just pick a date and say bye bye to your families. I have a friend who is not a Christian who grew up in Ile Ife and very close to the typical locals with some powers that don't exist according to you guys, I would just tell him to take you guys to Ife and straight to some babas who just by their words from a distance without touching you would make all of you go blind for the rest of your lives or even make you dry up on the spot. And you may not return alive or may return half dead. Just make sure you have written your wills and give your last words before leaving home.

By the time you see the wonders of the devil in your lives no one would convince you to believe in God.

Please do a meeting reach a conclusion and get back to me. I mean this.

You have a great plan to end the sickening mental gymnastics, that has Atheist believing that they are proving something substantial when all they are doing is delude themselves even more.

I am sure that your challenge will be welcomed by sincere High-level Atheists who want to break away from the mental barriers that has blocked their progress to higher levels of understanding the world that they live in.

It is the Low-level Atheists that will use every sly way to block any new knowledge that will expose their superstitious beliefs that spiritual powers and God are not real. ATHEIST SUPERSTITIONS ARE DEEP SEATED !

butterflyl1on: you admitted that as an atheist you can take your own life when you feel life is unbearable (in other words you have suicidal tendencies which atheism is pushing you to have due to the no purpose, no hope it offers)

I think it more humane to for one or an human being to take a life (with consent) that has become unbearable when the suffering is of no benefit and you concluded that i have suicidal tendencies which is because am an atheist? That's gold, i remember vividly that the guy that jumped into the lagoon the other day was an atheist o!

butterflyl1on: You claim material things are more valuable than your life so youwould make safeguards for them but not for your life when it matters most

I never said that, reread what i wrote. butterflyl1on its your religion dat doesn't values life that much, i do value life.

butterflyl1on: you said above confirmed your nihilistic nature as the atheist you are so have no value for life.

your premises might be right but your conclusion is way off.

tamethem:



Iol,

Na so

ATHEISTS THE TIME HAS ARRIVED ! DONT DIE IN YOUR BLACK HOLE, OR SURROUNDED BY DARK MATTER !

The Light is here for all the world. Take up this easy practical challenge from Tamethem, your challenge will be on youtube for the benefit of the world. You will make money from writing a book called, "THE OPPOSITE OF GOD." You will make a movie that will shame Richard Dawkins. You will be come infamous but rich. we will make sure of that.

tamethem:


It's either you didnt get my point or you are trying as usual to be stubborn in your ignorance.

The fact that I believe the devil exist doesn't make me one of the worshipers. And that I believe charm works doesn't make me a charmer all I'm saying is you guys are Cowards.

I did not believe that charm works because someone told me but I believe because my Bible tells me. So get that understood.

I am a man of few words my guy.

Make yourselves available and I will proof to you guys Charm works just say your last words to your family members.

Since you don't believe it exists you need not to be afraid and telling me I should be the one to go to Ife shows how Chicken hearted you are. I am not the one claiming it doesn't exist you guys are.


Gather yourselves say your last bye bye and let's fix a date.

It's either you don't come back alive or you come disabled.

You wouldn't really be proving anything Ito him if you are already advising him to say his last words to his family. Who knows you might be a radical theist and just decide to kill him. In that sense you are already guilty of agumentum ad baculum (appeal to force)

tamethem:



Iol,

Na so

ATHEISTS THE TIME HAS ARRIVED ! DONT DIE IN YOUR BLACK HOLE, OR SURROUNDED BY DARK MATTER !

The Light is here for all the world. Take up this easy practical challenge from Tamethem, your challenge will be on youtube for the benefit of the world. You will make money from writing a book called, "THE OPPOSITE OF GOD." You will make a movie that will shame the leader of modern Atheism, Richard Dawkins. You will be come infamous but rich. Tamethem, Kingebukasblog, Butterflyl1on, Vaxx, Sonofthunder and others will make sure of that.

I can just see Richard Dawkins whisper in Harris ear, THE END HAS COME.

tamethem:


See my brother I used to be a very bad stammerer until God helped me. Being a stammerer taught me one thing. Instead of wasting your saliver struggling to convince people on a point ACTION makes it easier. Example is " I can Beat You" "No you cant" Why the arguments ? Go into Action if you are sure of yourselves. It's Simple

Enough of wasting time with these atheists arguing. They say there is no witchcraft. Voodoo or Charms OK. I will help them to know there are Negative forces in the world and may be by that they would end up believing God exists.

At least every sane person knows if negative force exists Positive force must exist.

And if at the end of the day they loose their lives in the test at least their situation would have helped other atheists to get to know there is God.

Let them have a meeting get a date and make announcement on NL that per adventure they die in the process no One should be held responsible.

I will surely help them know that Witchcraft exists my Bible says so and my Culture says so.
Voodoo Exists my Bible says so and my Culture says so.
As my Bible can't be wrong, my forefathers are not fools from generation to generation.

I am not afraid to see them Die cause I won't have pity on them. And it would even be better if that happens because it will be a big News and by that help others with same mindset.

They should not be afraid because in their beliefs they are "Right" "Nothing Exists"

appealing to the use of force in an argument proves nothing

pesty100:

You wouldn't really be proving anything Ito him if you are already advising him to say his last words to his family. Who knows you might be a radical theist and just decide to kill him. In that sense you are already guilty of agumentum ad baculum (appeal to force)

Excuses and more excuses

Just take up the challenge is all there is to it and not Latin qualifiers.

butterflyl1on:


Excuses and more excuses

Just take up the challenge is all there is to it and not Latin qualifiers.

argumentum ad baculum my friend.

pesty100:
appealing to the use of force in an argument proves nothing

He didn't say it proves anything. His experiential invitation is meant to prove everything to the atheist. Stop throwing excuses around and stop insinuating that the guy is a diabolical theist when he clearly isn't. He simply sent out a "cordial" invitation

butterflyl1on:


He didn't say it proves anything. His experiential invitation is meant to prove everything to the atheist. Stop throwing excuses around and stop insinuating that the guy is a diabolical theist when he clearly isn't. He simply sent out a "cordial" invitation

he said that they should say bye to their family that's shows enough.

pesty100:
argumentum ad baculum my friend.

There is no such thing like argumentum ad baculum oga. To the atheist voodoo does not exist and by extension neither does the devil so how can this be argumentum ad baculum when none of such exists that would warrant such to an atheist?

Stop being a coward and volunteer if you dare.