butterflyl1on:


Wrong about the supplements.

He was fed freshly grown vegetarian feed or produce. This was in 1950 before the era of chemical additives. The lion wasn't given supplements.

Those who raised this lion owned a ranch so they were farmers

Supplements existed in the 1950s

The owners of Tyke were not as irresponsible as you are making out. They tried to feed it meat for 4 years and consulted many experts who most likely would have recommended supplements to what it missed from not eating meat! If they didn't Tyke would have died of malnutrition.

butterflyl1on:



You need to go through all I have posted on this matter along with the videos and stop embarrassing yourself with this ignorance

Milk and eggs are animal protein.

[quote author=butterflyl1on post=64808763]

Dalaman it's a pity that you are deliberately embarrassing yourself.

Right from1950 till date (2018) everyone knows that tyke the vegetarian lion was real and was assessed by vets and even a world famous zoo curator. Maybe you know something they who physically saw and assessed this lion do not know.

You are sitting where ever you are in 2018 but somehow know something all the people since 1950 till date do not know about this cat.

I have even helped you further by daring you to find from the vastness of the world wide web, one comment IN ANY LANGUAGE from the world wide web that says tyke the vegetarian lion was fake and a lie.

Only one is all there is to it. You are in 2018 and your denial of the obvious is simply due to your heady nature and your inability to accept you are wrong due to your proud nature so you will keep arguing to your grave even when everything is true and you are the one being ignorant.

Don't take my word for it. Take advantage of the vastness of the world wide web and refute my word. It's you and the world wide web against me so use it and shut me down [/quo
My dear you dey try oh!
Replying all these talk, you have proved your point, just let it go!
Please!
Ask Muslim converts what happened to them and hear their stories..
Stop trying so hard to convince any man..
Let it Go!

charytea:

Please Madam, I've been reading all you were spewing up there and never quoted you, it will do you good if you do same, thanks .
Eternally yes!..
Parents disown their children.
Mind your business biko!
I didn't quote you and the person I did has replied politely and sensibly.
thanks...

Bwahaha... this is a public forum and ppl can quote whoever, whenever they please. If you don't like it maybe you can get off the forum you know?

And you have lack comprehension because I never referred to disowning kids

Peace.

Get yo' life

What the bible said about Eve was "multiplication of pains and sorrow while giving birth", meaning by default all female (humans and animals) feel pains while giving birth but that of female humans is like x2/4

butterflyl1on:


Dalaman it's a pity that you are deliberately embarrassing yourself.

Right from1950 till date (2018) everyone knows that tyke the vegetarian lion was real and was assessed by vets and even a world famous zoo curator. Maybe you know something they who physically saw and assessed this lion do not know.

You are sitting where ever you are in 2018 but somehow know something all the people since 1950 till date do not know about this cat.

I have even helped you further by daring you to find from the vastness of the world wide web, one comment IN ANY LANGUAGE from the world wide web that says tyke the vegetarian lion was fake and a lie.

Only one is all there is to it. You are in 2018 and your denial of the obvious is simply due to your heady nature and your inability to accept you are wrong due to your proud nature so you will keep arguing to your grave even when everything is true and you are the one being ignorant.

Don't take my word for it. Take advantage of the vastness of the world wide web and refute my word. It's you and the world wide web against me so use it and shut me down

Do you have any evidence of the lion eating grass or are words from people all that you have?

dalaman:


There are dogs, cats and other animals saying a few words on YouTube. Anybody with a brain will know that an animal like a dog will be able to utter a word or two if trained because of the nature of their mouth and based on the type of sound they make. A dog has a large and flexible tongue with a wide mouth and jaw that moves like that of a human, it barks and some dogs bark in funny ways that sound as if they are uttering words so it's not out of the world for a dog to be trained to utter a few words. Dogs can utter few words but they can NOT have any conversation with a human being. Same applies to all the animals you mentioned. They can never hold a real time conversation , they can only repeat words they were taught. Snakes can not even talk at all. Provide evidence of snakes talking or shut up.

Sigh here is another exception.

The pine snake (Pituophis melanoleucus) has a vocal cord

it is the only snake in the world with a vocal cord.

What is a vocal cord used for. It works as the producer of your voice when your tongue touches it in instinct ways.

This snake unlike it's counterparts has a vocal cord. Wouldn't you think that all snakes shouldn't have such?

It not only hisses, it makes a deep loud roar. A sound which is strange in snakes.

All it now needs is enough intelligence like the other "out of the ordinary) animals I already listed and it would be taught to make human speech. It has a tongue and a vocal cord and already knows how to use the tongue with the vocal cord to make deep roaring sounds.

1Sharon:



Bwahaha... this is a public forum and ppl can quote whoever, whenever they please. If you don't like it maybe you can get off the forum you know?

And you have lack comprehension because I never referred to disowning kids

Peace.

Get yo' life

You see the problem? you can't say a thing without being insultive and It makes me wonder what type of Lady that makes you!
Who truly lacks comprehension?
I addressed an issue concerning disobedience and pain and you brought up an issue concerning eternal hell!
Come! Are you sure you are OK?
Plus who are you to ask me out of any forum here?
Grow up girl, I pick my battles wisely

budaatum:

Supplements existed in the 1950s

The owners of Tyke were not as irresponsible as you are making out. They tried to feed it meat for 4 years and consulted many experts who most likely would have recommended supplements to what it missed from not eating meat! If they didn't Tyke would have died of malnutrition.

That's human and not for animals or cats.

butterflyl1on:


Sigh here is another exception.

The pine snake (Pituophis melanoleucus) has a vocal cord

it is the only snake in the world with a vocal cord.

What is a vocal cord used for. It works as the producer of your voice when your tongue touches it in instinct ways.

This snake unlike it's counterparts has a vocal cord. Wouldn't you think that all snakes shouldn't have such?

It not only hisses, it makes a deep loud roar. A sound which is strange in snakes.

All it now needs is enough intelligence like the other "out of the ordinary) animals I already listed and it would be taught to make human speech. It has a tongue and a vocal cord and already knows how to use the tongue with the vocal cord to make deep roaring sounds.

Where is the evidence you have of a snake talking Ogbeni? I won't even allow you get away with your stupidity because you want to defend ancient Jewish mythology at all cost. We were told the snake had a real time conversation with a Woman. Animals no matter how they are trained can NOT have real time conversation with humans. They can ONLY mimic words they've been taught over time. They can not hold real time conversation with anybody. You are here stupidly trying to tell us that a snake had a real time conversation with a woman and even convinced her to do something she was against and expect me not to call you a fool for even trying to say its teal because it appeared in some ancient book of mythology and folklore. You are a senseless mor0n.

dalaman:


My guy will you stop displaying your mental illness endlessly?

Just show me the pictures of the lion feeding on grass. It's that simple. If thy could provide the pictures of the lion drinking milk then they should also provide the pictures of the lion eating grass and herbs.

Shouting that something is on Amazon means nothing. Here is a book about how someone reincarnated from a past life on amazon. You should believe reincarnation is true because a book was written about it on Amazon and it appears under the true life stories.

https://www.amazon.com/True-Real-Life-Stories-Reincarnation-ebook/dp/B00XFMQIEC

Your mental illness will never allow you reason well.

superhumanist:


Milk and eggs are animal protein.

Like I said, read all I posted on this matter. Here is a bit of it.

Scientific dilemma
Science is at a loss when it comes to Little Tyke. Felines are the strictest of carnivores. Without flesh she should have developed blindness, as well as dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM), a degenerative disease that turns heart muscles flabby and limits their ability to pump blood. This is because her diet didn't contain an adequate source of the amino acid, taurine.
Little known in the 1950's, subsequent research at UC Davis in 1976 proved that taurine is an essential nutrient for felines, the lack of which would cause degeneration of the retina. later research implicated inadequate taurine levels in dilated cardiomyopathy as well. For cats with DCM, if the disease has not progressed too far, administering taurine causes an almost miraculous recovery. Formerly, cats lived only a few days to weeks after diagnose.
Taurine is non-existent in natural non-animal sources. It is present in minute amounts in milk and eggs. Little Tyke could have gotten her taurine requirement from milk, if she drank 500 gallons per day, or from eggs, if she ate more than 4000 per day. How did Little Tyke get taurine?

She could not have been drinking 500 gallons of milk or 4000 eggs a day plus tuarine was relatively unknown in 1950 and was known in 1976. Yet she lived for 9 years and was reported as the healthiest African lion ever seen by a world famous zoo curator.

Cc budaatum

butterflyl1on:


Wrong about the supplements.

He was fed freshly grown vegetarian feed or produce. This was in 1950 before the era of chemical additives. The lion wasn't given supplements.

Those who raised this lion owned a ranch so they were farmers

Come on, butter, you rear pigs! You know what happens if your pigs are not fed the right nutrients!

You are wrong about additives. The lion's diet would have required some severe diet knowledge or it would not have gotten the nutrients it required.

Most unfortunate is that all the evidence for Tyke the Veggie Lion is given by religious folks like you, and veggie apologetics. Would have been good to have some verifiable evidence. However, the fact remains that apart from in the controlled environment of domestication, no lion has been know to be vegetarian.

budaatum:

Come on, butter, you rear pigs! You know what happens if your pigs are not fed the right nutrients!

You are wrong about additives. The lion's diet would have required some severe diet knowledge or it would not have gotten the nutrients it required.

Most unfortunate is that all the evidence for Tyke the Veggie Lion is given by religious folks like you, and veggie apologetics. Would have been good to have some verifiable evidence. However, the fact remains that apart from in the controlled environment of domestication, no lion has been know to be vegetarian.

Google tyke the vegetarian lion and see if it's only religious folks like me that have his info. Go on and do that

And who spoke about about vegetarian lions in the wild? That is not part of our discussion. The discussion is can lions live without meat as carnivores?

The answer is obviously yes since this one was raised for 9 years strictly vegetarian.

Also budaatum, dalaman your fellow atheist disagrees with you.

He says no lion can be vegetarian due to their strict carnivore digestive system.

Seems both of you need to argue this one out while I sit back and rest my fingers

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Thanks sister. I am quite finished at this point. I will leave them to keep on with their deliberate denial of the obvious. The whole world says this lion is true but only one nairaland bench warmer is saying it is false.

He does have delusions of grandeur.

God bless you.

charytea:

You see the problem? you can't say a thing without being insultive and It makes me wonder what type of Lady that makes you!
Who truly lacks comprehension?
I addressed an issue concerning disobedience and pain and you brought up an issue concerning eternal hell!
Come! Are you sure you are OK?
Plus who are you to ask me out of any forum here?
Grow up girl, I pick my battles wisely

Aren't you a hypocrite? You accuse me of insulting you which I never did in my first quote to you and now you do the same insults that you are condemning?

Get your life

You can't handle me counteracting ur posts so you accuse me of insulting you lol

typical christian claiming the victim

1Sharon:


Aren't you a hypocrite? You accuse me of insulting you which I never did in my first quote to you and now you do the same insults that you are condemning?

Get your life

You can't handle me counteracting ur posts so you accuse me of insulting you lol

I can't handle you counteracting my post?
That's ridiculous!
If I can't handle you, how could I have handled my school projects??
Anyway, since the only thing you could deduce from my response is that I insulted you, then I am sorry for you Co's I never did!
And No! I am not a hypocrite..
thanks

butterflyl1on:


Like I said, read all I posted on this matter. Here is a bit of it.


She could not have been drinking 500 gallons of milk or 4000 eggs a day plus tuarine was relatively unknown in 1950 and was known in 1976. Yet she lived for 9 years and was reported as the healthiest African lion ever seen by a world famous zoo curator.

Cc budaatum

Vegetarian Lioness: Little Tyke
Here's the most objective article I've found on the topic. Still leaves a lot out. They could have said what they fed it, and consequences but didn't. Could it have survived in the wild, for instance on the diet they gave it? What was the consequence of it not having taurine? And so on.

1Sharon:


Aren't you a hypocrite? You accuse me of insulting you which I never did in my first quote to you and now you do the same insults that you are condemning?

Get your life

You can't handle me counteracting ur posts so you accuse me of insulting you lol

typical christian claiming the victim

I just saw the concluding part of your post!
You are soooooo pained you can't help but bring Christianity into this!
I am truly sorry for you!
And Dear, I am not a victim, never been and never will.. bye...

butterflyl1on:


Like I said, read all I posted on this matter. Here is a bit of it.





She could not have been drinking 500 gallons of milk or 4000 eggs a day plus tuarine was relatively unknown in 1950 and was known in 1976. Yet she lived for 9 years and was reported as the healthiest African lion ever seen by a world famous zoo curator.

Cc budaatum

They provided pictures of the lion feeding on milk but could not provide pictures of the lion eating grass and herbs. Very telling.

butterflyl1on:


Thanks sister. I am quite finished at this point. I will leave them to keep on with their deliberate denial of the obvious. The whole world says this lion is true but only one nairaland bench warmer is saying it is false.

He does have delusions of grandeur.

God bless you.

Its well bro!
Just let it go

butterflyl1on:


Google tyke the vegetarian lion and see if it's only religious folks like me that have his info. Go on and do that

And who spoke about about vegetarian lions in the wild? That is not part of our discussion. The discussion is can lions live without meat as carnivores?

The answer is obviously yes since this one was raised for 9 years strictly vegetarian.

One lion did. In a controlled environment! And I don't know that it was "strictly" since the "the Westbeaus advertised a thousand dollar reward for anyone who could devise a method tricking Little Tyke into eating meat."

charytea:

I can't handle you counteracting my post?
That's ridiculous!
If I can't handle you, how could I have handled my school projects??
Anyway, since the only thing you could deduce from my response is that I insulted you, then I am sorry for you Co's I never did!
And No! I am not a hypocrite..
thanks

So when you ask someone if they're ok and to grow up isn't that an insult? Or is that just normal banter for you where you come from?

When you do that which you accuse others of, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

1Sharon:


So when you ask someone if they're ok and to grow up isn't that an insult? Or is that just normal banter for you where you come from?

When you do that which you accuse others of, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

When you tell someone to "GET YOUR LIFE"
and imply that I can't comprehend, or lack comprehension, what do you call that?.
Who is really playing the victim here!
So u know, I never felt insulted in the first place..
I only replied you in the tone you set
OK?

charytea:

When you tell someone to "GET YOUR LIFE"
and imply that I can't comprehend, what do I call that?.
Who is really playing the victim here!
So u know, I never felt insulted in the first place..
I only replied you in the tone you set
OK?

Lol you are funny. In my original post to you was I rude? Go and check

So actually It's me who replied you back in the tone YOU set.

You felt insulted because I asked questions you didn't like about ur god. I understand

.

budaatum:

One lion did. In a controlled environment! And I don't know that it was "strictly" since the "the Westbeaus advertised a thousand dollar reward for anyone who could devise a method tricking Little Tyke into eating meat."

Exactly! And it also says and I quote "Numerous plans met with failure since Little Tyke refused to have anything to do with flesh."

So it was strictly vegan.

charytea:

When you tell someone to "GET YOUR LIFE"
and imply that I can't comprehend, or lack comprehension, what do you call that?.
Who is really playing the victim here!
So u know, I never felt insulted in the first place..
I only replied you in the tone you set
OK?

Let it go. Try not to waste your energy and much sought after words on just "anybody".

Let it go.

1Sharon:


Lol you are funny. In my original post to you was I rude? Go and check

So actually It's me who replied you back in the tone YOU set.

You felt insulted because I asked questions you didn't like about ur god. I understand

You didn't answer my question!
Wat that an insult or not?
In my reply to your original post, was I rude to you?
When you do that, I'll continue this chat.
I don't worship a god but The True God!
I truly don't know why you keep bringing My God into this!
You are truly pained!
And this is the last reply I'll grant you, I can't keep wasting my time on you..
P.S for whoever that comes across this Post. I want you to learn that everyman is entitled to his beliefs,
constitutionally, I have the freedom of religion, worship whatever I believe in peacefully
now when someone else tries to abuse my belief, and question it. I have every right to defend it whether it is logical to you or not.
Stick to what you believe and let Me stick to mine peacefully
Thanks

charytea:

You didn't answer my question!
Wat that an insult or not?
In my reply to your original post, was I rude to you?
When you do that, I'll continue this chat.
I don't worship a god but The True God!
I truly don't know why you keep bringing My God into this!
You are truly pained!
And this is the last reply I'll grant you, I can't keep wasting my time on you..
P.S for whoever that comes across this Post. I want you to learn that everyman is entitled to his beliefs,
constitutionally, I have the freedom of religion, worship whatever I believe in peacefully
now when someone else tries to abuse my belief, and question it. I have every right to defend it whether it is logical to you or not.
Stick to what you believe and let Me stick to mine peacefully
Thanks

Touché

I was wondering why they kept calling it Little Tyke. Was it perhaps small for it's age? Seems it died young too, 9 years as opposed to 25-30, for a lion in captive.


I wrote an article on Little Tyke for the White River Valley Museum s newsletter a couple of years ago. She lived just down the street from my house (although a generation earlier). Yes, she died early for a lion in captivity; it s unknown if her unusual diet played any role (perhaps weakening her immune system?). It s likely that she never ate meat because she didn t have a mother to introduce it to her as a lioness will do for her cubs in the wild. Furthermore, at the time she would normally have been learning to eat meat, she was recovering from a tremendously painful burn--she likely learned to associate the smells of raw flesh with intense pain and, therefore, avoided all contact with raw meat. Georges Westbeau, her owner, spun all kinds of nonsense about having trained her to eat a vegetarian diet to her being a sign from God (the lion lying down with the lamb and all that). He was definitely a bit of a P.T. Barnum in that respect.