LordAdam16:


Can you provide the post where I said Yoruba never supported GEJ in 2011?

You can be a complete id*ot!

Tinubu rolled with Buhari in 2015 because he wanted an in-road in Abuja, not because of any silly goodwill GEJ bequeathed. That's the trash they tell useless pawns like you.

And the reason he is not vocal against Buhari currently and accepted the reconciliation assignment is because he doesn't want to lose his in-road, else he'd have to start from the scratch again. He is 65 years, he doesn't have much anytime again to actualize his ambition to rule. That ugly toad doesn't give a sh*t about the good governance or progressiveness he scams you f*ckers with. It's his interests above everything.

We see through his gimmicks and the dumb excuses you b*tches call sophistication.

-Lord

I won't argue on the trash you wrote above but I want to know your own perspective about Nigeria.

what's your reason for supporting Gej?

tribal and religious affiliation?

Personal gain?

Good governance and genuine love for the country?

konoplyanka:
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And what's your reason for supporting Gej?

tribal and religious affiliation?

Personal gain?

Good governance and genuine love for the country?

[/s]

Answer my question first. Before asking me any question.

-Lord

u will get the shock of your life..APC is gunner

muykem:
2019 is a done deal for APC since BAT has accepted this role.

LordAdam16:


Answer my question first. Before asking me any question.

-Lord

Come again with your question.

superemmy:
Used, Dumped only to be reused.

Some people call this one Godfather of Western Politics all I see is just - Tissue Paper

do You expect Asiwaju to reject the offer ni... you wait and see who’s playing the game, Tinubu is a grand-politician, he’s even wiser now

konoplyanka:


Come again with your question.

Can you provide the post where I said Yoruba never supported GEJ in 2011?

-Lord

BakireBulmaker:


He still has a foothold in the VP.

Don't be a dullard!

And you think Buhari might not dump Osibanjo this time around SMH

Tinubu be wise okay.

superemmy:


And you think Buhari might not dump Osibanjo this time around SMH

For whom?

LordAdam16:


Can you provide the post where I said Yoruba never supported GEJ in 2011?

-Lord

You indicated that when you said we voted Buhari for personal gain against a southerner. Forgetting that Buhari contested against Gej in 2011 with a Yoruba VP yet we didn't vote for him. hence, I asked you why the scenario changed in 2015 even with the same variables. That should make any intelligent analyst ask why. You lots never see any wrong in Gej even when he himself has come out to apologize which made us believe it's for personal gain that's making you cry more than the bereaved.

Yorubas are realists, we support you and dump you if you fail. Some northerners like givbitcoin and on facebook have started accusing Yoruba of betrayal for attacking Buhari. Just like you ibos, they believe people should not voice out against their demigod even when all indications point out that he has failed.


I am happy for the role we are playing in Nigeria as we are the only voice of reason and conscience of the nation hence, the name calling from the two extremist tribes. You guys can keep hating but we don't give a damn.

konoplyanka:
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You indicated that when you said we voted Buhari for personal gain against a southerner. Forgetting that Buhari contested against Gej in 2011 with a Yoruba VP yet we didn't vote for him. hence, I asked you why the scenario changed in 2015 even with the same variables. That should make any intelligent analyst ask why. You lots never see any wrong in Gej even when he himself has come out to apologize which made us believe it's for personal gain that's making you cry more than the bereaved.

Yorubas are realists, we support you and dump you if you fail. Some northerners like givbitcoin and on facebook have started accusing Yoruba of betrayal for attacking Buhari. Just like you ibos, they believe people should not voice out against their demigod even when all indications point out that he has failed.


I am happy for the role we are playing in Nigeria as we are the only voice of reason and conscience of the nation hence, the name calling from the two extremist tribes. You guys can keep hating but we don't give a damn.[/s]

Provide proof, stop typing trash.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Provide proof, stop typing trash.

-Lord

Proof of what?

konoplyanka:


Proof of what?

Proof that I said "Yoruba never supported GEJ in 2011."

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Proof that I said "Yoruba never supported GEJ in 2011."

-Lord

Trying to be evasive.

Now answer my question. why do you wanna die because of GEJ?

konoplyanka:


Trying to be evasive.

Now answer my question. why do you wanna die because of GEJ?

Provide an answer.

It's not so hard.

If I made a statement, it shouldn't be so hard to quote it.

Don't try to meander away from it.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Provide an answer.

It's not so hard.

If I made a statement, it shouldn't be so hard to quote it.

Don't try to meander away from it.

-Lord

I said you made the insinuation. Stop trying to be clever by half. And if you can't answer my question no need to be hiding behind a finger. I know you already so quit the self deception.

konoplyanka:


I said you made the insinuation. Stop trying to be clever by half. And if you can't answer my question no need to be hiding behind a finger. I know you already so quit the self deception.

I made no such insinuation.

I'd answer your question, I'd give you a page if I want to.

But you don't post lies that I didn't say.

You have to admit that I did not make that statement, and you knowingly made a false statement before I answer your question.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


I made no such insinuation.

I'd answer your question, I'd give you a page if I want to.

But you don't post lies that I didn't say.

You have to admit that I did not make that statement, and you knowingly made a false statement before I answer your question.

-Lord

Since you admit they voted him in 2011 why berate them in 2015 for doing otherwise? Isn't obvious that they might have a legitimate grievances? Why the namecalling?

konoplyanka:


Since you admit they voted him in 2011 why berate them in 2015 for doing otherwise? Isn't obvious that they might have a legitimate grievances? Why the namecalling?

Admit you knowingly made a false statement before I answer anymore questions from you.

This is your second question, and I'd answer both questions you've asked.

But you have to admit your error.

You can't keep saying things I didn't say just to keep your banter coming. You've said I'm inconsequential, yet you can't seem to stop quoting me. What sort of validation are you looking for?

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Admit you knowingly made a false statement before I answer anymore questions from you.

This is your second question, and I'd answer both questions you've asked.

But you have to admit your error.

You can't keep saying things I didn't say just to keep your banter coming. You've said I'm inconsequential, yet you can't seem to stop quoting me. What sort of validation are you looking for?

-Lord

Ok. I admit.

konoplyanka:


Ok. I admit.

Alright.

Heres' are your first questions

And what's your reason for supporting Gej?

tribal and religious affiliation?

Personal gain?

Good governance and genuine love for the country?

The answer is none of the above.

I'm not Ijaw. I'm not a Christian. I don't work for the government or any politician for that matter. I'd be sick to believe anyone can remotely provide what is ideally good governance with this monumental disaster we call a central government. And I don't give a rat arse about a country whose people don't even know their problem.

Yes, I supported GEJ. But this is beyond supporting GEJ.

This is about acknowledging all our limitations and deciding that the best way forward is to make tangible improvements.

It's like going into space. We can't travel at the speed of light right now. But maybe some day we would be able to. We'd never stop aiming to travel as fast as we can. But if someone came right now and said he'd built a conventional rocket using current technology that'd be able to travel at the speed of light. I and billions of other people around the world would call it bullsh*t.

That was the story of 2015. And it would be the story of 2019. And the next couple of election years.

Thinking that someone who was financed by corrupt proceeds in a feeding-bottle unitary central government would jail his cronies who are helping themselves to the cookie jar is wishful thinking. It is impossible. In 2019, people like Kyari, Kingibe, Amaechi, Fashola who have been stealing under this government would pool funds together to help return Buhari.

So if you're expecting Buhari to arrest them now, you are either naive, stup*d, or both.

What we need is a person who would devote more time to making tangible improvements and preventing corruption. Someone who would create agencies like EFCC and ICPC. We need many more agencies like that--analogs of the GOA, FEC in the US for starters. We need someone who would implement processes and schemes like the BVN, IPPIS, TSA. Someone who would realize when government is paying for inefficiencies and sell any wasteful pet peeve, whether it is the refineries or power plants that can never seem to provide power steadily. Someone who would enact reforms like fertilizer, pension, ease of doing business reforms. Someone who'd introduce fiscal policies that'd improve the economy.

We don't need someone who says he'd jail people that sponsored his elections--which is impossible. Someone who says he'd make $1=N1 without having a clue how he would do it. Someone who says he'd add 10,000MW in 4 years, when we are struggling to pay for ongoing projects. Someone who says he'd pay tens of millions of unemployed graduates N5,000 monthly when we have tons of abandoned projects.

We don't need magicians. We need normal human beings with the capacity to keep this country afloat until whenever we decide it's time to restructure. And that means accepting that such people will make mistakes and also make improvements.

OBJ is not an epitome of good governance. But compared to Abacha, Shagari, he is much better. Yar'Adua was slow, had his errors, but compared to OBJ, he is much better. GEJ made his mistakes and was often took a little too long to get on with things, but compared to his predecessors he is much better.

While people like you look at PDP's 16 years of governance and see mindless corruption, I see progress from a do-or-die affair with regular assassinations to a more egalitarian fair electoral process. I see the revamping of agriculture. Diversification. Unprecedented improvement of the economy.

If you are going to throw all that away, you don't do so for Buhari or any bigot like him (I'm talking about people like IBB, Kwankwaso, el-Rufai). You move forward, not backward.

So yes I supported GEJ because he represented progress from our dark, disparate past, and Buhari represented our dark, disparate past. GEJ would not usher us the Nigeria of our dreams, no one at the moment can, all he can do is add to the foundation started by OBJ that'd get us there.

Your second question

Since you admit they voted him in 2011 why berate them in 2015 for doing otherwise? Isn't obvious that they might have a legitimate grievances? Why the namecalling?

Because in 2011, the SW PDP and SW AC blocs decided to support Jonathan because the AC had no realistic chance of winning. In 2015, the SW PDP remained with Jonathan, while the SW APC bloc voted Buhari because they wanted an in-road into Abuja via the Yoruba VP slot.

Then instead of just calling it politics, they made silly excuses that it was because of Jonathan's incompetence. That's an insult.

The core North voted against GEJ in 2011 and 2015 because they believed they were shortchanged. GEJ's performance had nothing to do with. And they'd be the first to admit it. Over in the SW, you guys come up with silly excuses, instead of just saying you did it for politics and get on with it.

Jonathan was corrupt. But so is Tinubu, Fashola, Amaechi, Saraki, Kwankwaso, Atiku, OBJ, Buhari.
Boko Haram grew under GEJ. But APC was sending letters to the US government; the Northern elite were screaming genocide when Ihejirika was on their tail; they applauded when the US blocked arm sales from Brazil, Israel, told Saudi Arabia to deny us flying our arms across their airspace; they mocked GEJ for forming the coalition with Niger, Chad, and Cameroon; and condemned us getting arms from the black market when it was clear that the US blocked legitimate sales to us.
Or is it Chibok Girls. Where you guys never thought it okay to ask why a government directive for exams not to be conducted in the school was flouted. And openly derided the GEJ government for trying to negotiate their release.
They had to lie he didn't make any achievements. They were all mocked as paper achievements--from single-digit inflation rate to the railway construction to becoming the largest economy in Africa.
Then you guys started sharing lies and silly propaganda. Sanusi said $20b was missing. GEJ had three separate audits within a month, one of them by PwC, and no $20b was found to be missing. Till date, with APC in power, they haven't found or even traced Sanusi's phantom missing $20b. That a serious government could solve Nigeria's electricity issues (estimated to be over 100,000MW worth over $150b) in 6 months.

And since you guys had no legitimate reason to go against GEJ, you guys started making untenable promises. Ending corruption, feeding school children and what not.

The SW played dirty politics prior to 2015 and instead of having the decency to say they were just in it for access to Abuja, they maintain their loud hypocrisy.

I'm the last person who'd say GEJ did not make any mistakes, but I think the blow back to most of them are unwarranted, exaggerated or unfair. For example, the Immigration Borro incident. Everyone blames GEJ for it, and that's to be expected since the buck stops at his table. But most people fail to talk about the fact that the exercise was carried out by a contracted private firm. They do not talk about the fact that all the money was refunded, and that families of those who died received compensation and an automatic employment slot.

-Lord

You guys aren't looking at the big opportunity here for BAT.

Buhari himself is in the hot seat here. This job will even afford Tinubu a big advantage to
solidify his hold.

Politician will always cut-a-deal in the name of reconciliation and the kind of deal Tinubu will pull will never pay Buhari on the long run. Hope you know Buhari didn't anhiliate Tinubu, but the entire party and I tell you the party is waiting for him in the election.

You can recall, tinubu saying no automatic ticket for Buhari in 2019, and you know APC
had history of imposition before, but this time around the catch will be, no automatic ticket(no imposition), come for primary.


Now as far as APC is concerned, in a free and fair Primary, Buhari can not win. He needs
to get dirty( spend the money) to win but sadly he isn't cut for that.


However assuming he gets dirty, eventually won, and even won presidency, the corruption case that will hang directly on his head will be worse than Jonathan's own.


But I know Buhari will not and even the present loyalty he has are just paper weight. Elections in Nigeria are still controlled by the heavyweights.

Bearing that in mind, there is a Coalition people and the Red Card Movement too, they all want his downfall. if they didn't succced, there sure be a paradigm shift in 2023.


That aside, back to Buhari, the joker is going to be in APC primary. I have a feeling he
might be the first sitting president to loose primary election, that itself is more
humiliating.



Those who are telling him not to contest, they are right, Buhari disposition can't handle it
aside his health and even the battered image his cabals have given him, he just can't
open the vault and pump the money out which is the only weapon he can use, but if he
decided to do that he will be worse than Jonathan.

free2ryhme:

Does anyone remember how Tinubu was told he didn't contribute much to Buhari's emergence as president, and thereafter was reduced to a figurehead?

Let the lessons begin...



LAW 7
GET OTHERS TO DO THE WORK FOR YOU, BUT ALWAYS TAKE THE CREDIT
Use the wisdom, knowledge, and legwork of other people to further your own cause. Not only will such assistance save you valuable time and energy, it will give you a godlike aura of efficiency and speed. In the end your helpers will be forgotten and you will be remembered. Never do yourself what others can do for you.

jaxxy:


I might admire tinubu's gentlemanly gesture to work for the survival of his party if he's really going to mend fences with all concern like fashola and saraki etc... bt i detest the hypocrisy of buhari and his cabal rite now. Why using tinubu dis way wen u know ure going to discard him after getting wat u all want?

Politics is called dirty for a reason. Backstabbing is a clear and present danger for all who dabble into it. However, if you are going to backstab anyone ensure that it is someone who can forgive and possibly overlook, when he gets to hold the knife; else- you are a goner! The buildup to 2019 elections is going to be a great theatre of dramas, surprises, bargains and the usual influence of godfatherism. In the end, a new history altogether would have played out... grab your popcorn guys!

9gerian:


Politics is called dirty for a reason. Backstabbing is a clear and present danger for all who dabble into it. However, if you are going to backstab anyone ensure that it is someone who can forgive and possibly overlook, when he gets to hold the knife; else- you are a goner! The buildup to 2019 elections is going to be a great theatre of dramas, surprises, bargains and the usual influence of godfatherism. In the end, a new history altogether would have played out... grab your popcorn guys!

Ure totally right Apc set up a comedy/thriller show and we are watching. Baba obj has set the ball rolling in true style and fashion and we are not disappointed. Im still expecting saraki's play out and obj's grand slam cos he hasn't finished.

Buhari better listen and pay attention! Its not going to be funny. His cabal have left the stage control to give way for Apc to do all the election hard work and hype for them cos they are inglorious by all standards to Nigerians

Einl:
In the history of Fulani, they have always used an insider to defeat their enemies. That is how they work.

Yoruba people better call Tinubu to order if the plan of chasing Buhari out is to succeed.

Buhari is not the right person for the country. We must kick him out and the Yorubas better help rather than been used.

Look at Osinbanjo...even an infertile dog is of more use than he is.

It's open season of anything goes but can you in all honesty convince yourself that Sambo was more active as VP than Osinbajo has been

Ovamboland:


It's open season of anything goes but can you in all honesty convince yourself that Sambo was more active as VP than Osinbajo has been

What are you saying? Your comparing apples and oranges.

Who is talking about Sambo? About the past?

This is the current. The present. We are talking about Osinbanjo and what he is doing now.

Einl:


What are you saying? Your comparing apples and oranges.

Who is talking about Sambo? About the past?

This is the current. The present. We are talking about Osinbanjo and what he is doing now.

That's because you pretend you don't know Osinbajo is in charge of the economy or what is left of it and he has caused to be appointed people his knows and can work with. This includes pastors from his church. How can you say such horrible words about him?

What duties handed over to him has he not handled creditably well? What of the time he spent as acting President, any serious mis steps? How about his visits to troubled spots nationwide to calm nerves, were they successful or not?

If you are honest address the present and current actions and tell us what should have been done better or differently

You don't just abuse the privilege to write publicly to peddle false narratives whatever your motives may be.

Ovamboland:


That's because you pretend you don't know Osinbajo is in charge of the economy or what is left of it and he has caused to be appointed people his knows and can work with. This includes pastors from his church. How can you say such horrible words about him?

What duties handed over to him has he not handled creditably well? What of the time he spent as acting President, any serious mis steps? How about his visits to troubled spots nationwide to calm nerves, were they successful or not?

If you are honest address the present and current actions and tell us what should have been done better or differently

You don't just abuse the privilege to write publicly to peddle false narratives whatever your motives may be.

That is your opinion...and you are entitled to it.

My opinion is that he has been poor. Simple.