brocab:
You are not ignorant of the scriptures, we have written the truth to you-we have showing you the written Word of God
{John 14:23-24} “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.…
{John 8:51} Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."
{John 15:10, John 16:27, John 14:15,21} If you love me, keep my commandments…

Again you are not ignorant, we have written the truth to you-we have showing you the written Word of God-verse after verse, you have refused these Words with a passion, you have claimed the bible is not the only traditional Word of God, you won't accept God speaks to us through His Word, nor will you allow your heart to swallow up your pride.
You believe in other traditions that the Spirit of God did not teach you, you bow down to paganism praying "to" martial things that are seen, idol's of the rosaries, statues of a dead souls-instead you alter to pray directly to the unseen God the Father Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as the written Word of God {bible} have directed us to do..
You have refuse to recognise the scriptures, and your arguments are about your traditional Church and how great it stands.

brocab:
The apostles may know the truth, but what is sad you don't know? And by the looks of this below, neither does the Catholic Church know the truth in Christ.
Everything about the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, matter of fact, none of you know Christ and the scriptures, thru shall not make any graven images, from above, on earth and under the earth, you have made and bowed down to all three.
The Word of God was giving to us by God, Do you realise the Bible makes claims about the creation of the universe, the nature of the God who created the universe and reigns supremely over it, and the fate of mankind. {You do realise the Catholic Church refuses to teach this bible knowledge, matter of fact they teach other doctrines that doesn't line up with the scriptures.}
If these claims are true, then the Bible is the most important book in the history of mankind. If the Bible is true, then it holds the answers to life’s biggest questions: “From where did I come?” “Why am I here?” and “What happens to me when I die?” The importance of the Bible’s message demands it receive fair consideration, and the truthfulness of its message is observable, testable, and able to withstand scrutiny.
The writers of the Bible claim that the Bible is God’s very Word. The apostle Paul writes that “all Scripture is God-breathed”
{2 Timothy 3:16} That is to say, all the words recorded in the original writing of Scripture originated from the mouth of God before ever reaching the minds and pens of the biblical writers. The apostle Peter also writes that “prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” {2 Peter 1:21}
The phrase “carried along” is indicative of a sail being propelled by the wind. That is, the writing of Scripture was directed by the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not originate with man and is, then, a product of God and carries the authority of God.
When it is put to the test, the Bible is proved true in every area. Its truth extends to the spiritual, as well. That means that when the Bible says the Hittite nation existed, then we can believe that there were Hittites, and when the Bible teaches that “all have sinned” {Romans 3:23} and the “wages of sin is death” {Romans 6:23} then we need to believe that, too. And, when the Bible tells us that “God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us” {Romans 5:8} and that “whoever believes in [Jesus] shall not perish but have eternal life” {John 3:16} then we can and should believe that, also.
The bible may not be enough for you, and the only reason to this is, you haven't studied the bible enough the understand It, the blind can only lead the blind, and since the bible isn't worthy to you, I suppose you will never understand nor believe the unseen God.
It is the dead in spirit, that makes images of things that are seen by men, In the bible-Jesus said:blessed are those who don't see and believed.
So now you have the input about the bible, and why the bible teaches us to believe.
{John 20:28-29} Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed.”

brocab:
One thing for sure you are not my brother in the Lord, but believers do care for those like you, who refuses the Word of God. Anybody can call themselves Christian, but without the Spirit of the Lord, your resources to gain eternal life is nil..
Someone without love, wouldn't waste his time trying to help you with understanding who God is.
If someone didn't love you, they wouldn't waste their time trying to save your soul before you end up in hell fire with your father the devil.

9inches:


1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

9inches:


I hope you become a Christian some day. As of now, you don't know your left from your right. Who is your pastor, or are you pastor yourself?

9inches:


I hope you become a Christian some day. As of now, you don't know your left from your right. Who is your pastor, or are you pastor yourself?

brocab:
The Catholic Church claims Peter built the Catholic Church. Peter was a sinner, and somehow Peter became Pope according the the Catholic's, and somehow you have this idea Peter built the Catholic Church. I suppose Peter is like Mary-Peter didn't sin either, because Popes who become Popes, are supposedly by the Catholic's are sinless..
{Matthew 16:15-17} “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. ”Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven, and Jesus spoke about the Church, that was to be built on the Words God had given to Peter to repeat..
So which was it, was your Church built upon Peter's own words, or was it built upon God's Words, God had spoken through Peter?

brocab:
Everything about the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, matter of fact, none of you know Christ and the scriptures, thru shall not make any graven images, from above, on earth and under the earth, you have made and bowed down to all three of these.
You claim you have read the bible from top to bottom and still you are denying the written Word of God, that does not mention Purgatory, nor does it mention indulgence, these are the traditions of men preached to the world by the Catholic Church, a lie against humanity-priest forgive sins, and the Pope is God on earth.
Everything the Catholic Church preaches is a twisted verbal doctrine, everything that does not line up with the Word of God is a lie.
Your traditions teaches you, your mediators, who stands before God and Humanity-are Mary and the saints, you have been taught to pray through idol's such as the rosaries, you bow or nod your head down to statues, some even pray to them, you have been taught you are saved and baptised as an infant only through the Catholic Church, you believe you are saved in Peter-you refuse to believe every other Church that is outside the Catholic Church are saved in Christ.
Pope Francis said: universal Church means all man kind that lives and believes anything-are one in Christ-and yet the Muslims don't believe, nor the Hindi's, nor the artiest believe, Pope Francis teachers, by their good works you will be with Christ, at the end of this age to come. "Pope Francis is god on earth, leading people further away from the truth. Another traditional lie.
We are criticized everyday by you, the world criticizes the believers, we just need to watch the news to see which Christians are loosing their heads because of their own faith they have for Jesus.
{Not by works only, but by faith we are saved in Christ}..
How hypocritical, is this, when the above is not mentioned in the bible, and you claim I am not Christian because I believe in the written Word of God, and you believe in the traditional doctrines that could be only written by the Catholic Church.

brocab:
How hypocritical, is this, you claim I am not Christian because I believe in the written Word of God, when it is you that refuses to believe in the written Word of God, but rather you obey the traditions of men.
You believe you are Christian because you obey the Catholic Church.
The KJV bible teaches us about miracles, it teaches us the disciples preached the gospel before the bible was written, the bible is written so we will believe, Jesus said: to Thomas you believe because you have seen Me, but bless is he that believes without seeing Me. You say you have read the bible from top to bottom and still you disbelieve praying for the living-the bible is clear whom we are to pray too, the living God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I pray to the living God our Father, you pray to the dead saints expecting the dead to ask the living God-to save you from condemnation.
Don't you realise God is the God of the Living, He is not the God of the dead.
But you are taught to pray to the dead, you are taught to worship to the dead, and who is dead among you, the dead in spirit, are the blind leading the blind, condemnation comes to the unbeliever.
{John 3:18} “He that believe in Him is not condemned; but He that believe not is condemned already, because he have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
You may confess Christ with your mouth, but your heart is far from Him, you actions tells us your story-but the truth is, you are taught a different doctrine, a doctrine that had been added traditions of men, these traditions alone have caused humanity to stray away from the Lord-such traditions against the bible-teaching that priest can forgive sins, when in the bible-Only God can forgive?

brocab:
Actually Jesus said: I am a priest, but I can-not forgive you 'your sins, I can preach the truth to you, but no-man is God on earth..
Who is my pastor, look up Paul Washer on you tube, and listen to this man preach the gospel, he speaks only bible truth, the truth you haven't yet recognised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObjG_dr3lrU

9inches:


Why should I waste my time listening to a Paul Washer who believes a different doctrine than what Apostle Paul preached?

9inches:


You have shown you don't believe in the Word of God.

9inches:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture

9inches:

2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source

9inches:

3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

9inches:


1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source
3. State where that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

donnie:


Jesus wasnt referering to the man Peter when he spoke about building His church. The rock he spoke of is "the revelation that He (Jeusus) is the Christ"; which Peter had affirmed a moment earlier.

By the way, Peter the apostle was never on Rome. There's absolutely no historical record or scriptural backing for that. Apostle Paul was the one who laboured in Rome and established churches.

Simon Peter on the other hand was the apostle to the Jews (Galatians 2:8 ). He lived and died in Israel. His tomb was found in Jerusalem (http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/peters-jerusalem-tomb.htm).

Of course the Catholic church will reject such discoveries as falsehood as that could uncover many other lies.

It is a well known fact that Simon Magus (the magician), after his encounter with the apostles, didn't repent but went ahead to establish the false religion: Roman Catholicism, which contradicted Apostles' teachings in many ways, as it was a mixture of Jewish and pagan worship with a sprinkling of the gospels. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread362178/pg1

brocab:
The reasons is, if you just listened to Paul Washer he actually preachers so much like the apostle Paul-you can refuse to watch him, but then you also refuse the biblical Word of God, and if you so much believed in Paul's preaching, you wouldn't be rejecting the bible so much as you do.
From Jesus, He sent the Holy Spirit, and from there He always had good preachers, preachers that listened to the Spirit of God, preachers that believed in one truth-and what is that truth Christ is the truth.
But hey if you are not opened to listen to that truth, then stay believing in the lies the Catholic Church have been teaching you from the beginning.
Pay your indulgence and your purgatory monies, so you will pass go, Jesus said: the truth will set you free, but if you chose to believe the lie, then God will give you the lies you deserve..
{2 Thessalonians 2:9-12} The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

brocab:
Then why not share the Word of God since you believe you have all the answers?

brocab:
1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
Show as in bible knowledge where are we to make images of statues-to bow down to, and pray to them, also add to this where in the written Word of God does it say we are to pray to Mary and the dead saints, show us, where does the bible line up with paganism belief?

brocab:
[s]Thru shall not make any graven images of above on earth and under the earth.[/s]

brocab:
FACT: Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later.
Question #1: Does Jesus approve of calling the leaders of the church, "Father"?
Answer: {Matthew 23:9} YES/NO?
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. {Matthew 23:9}
FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to {Psalm 136} that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. {Revelation 4:8} has "angels singing" not "men praying".
Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray.
Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads?
Answer: {Matthew 6:7} YES/NO
"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. {Matthew 6:7}
Would you be able to explain why this is not written in the bible, and why do the Catholic's practice these traditions, when Paul never taught them? And the list continual's forever, and as sad at it is, all the above is twisted scriptures the Catholic's had made up over time through the traditions of men..

9inches:


Only if you are willing to learn.

Saintdaprince:
To cut the long story short, kindly marry from your church. If you two do not believe in the same church doctrines, problems concerning worship and religion will raise its ugly head.

Don't be unequally yoked with an unbeliever.

9inches:


It's insult to the Apostle Paul to equate Washer to him. They do not believe and preach the same message. Paul Washer preaches Martin Luther doctrine which is different from what Paul the Apostle preached.

brocab:
I am only seeking after the Word of God. All scriptures nothing else..

brocab:
It is not an insult-you only see it this way, why? because you know you yourself don't preach the Word of God, so in your own eye's anybody that preachers the Word of God in this day and age is an insult to you. And if Paul was watching over us, he will be in his joying moment knowing what he had preached about Christ, had spread across the nations.
We have great preaches that preach the Word of God-preaches that stands up on the pulpit speaking to thousands of believers daily, and we have believers that love the Lord so much they can't wait unto Sunday to talk about Him, they talk about Christ everyday.
We have believers, that obey the commandments of God ones that have fellowship with God all year round, believers that worship God, and talk with God 365 days per year.
Which of course this draws us closer to God-we search the scriptures daily we seek after His teaching, we find preachers that spreads the Word of God across the nations, we learn and we listen to every Word-Christians finding Christians who love God with all their heart soul and mind and strength, Christians who have a passion to love their neighbours as themselves.
This is the Word of God-Love one another...
Plus you won't know what Paul Washer preachers until you here him out-you are only guessing what he preaches, try listening one time in your life, spread those wings of yours and know the truth in your heart.

9inches:


I admire how you are making things up in your imagination. Attributing to me statements I did not make only to counter the statements thinking you countered my own statements.
I posed you a challenge:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

AlanTuringAI:

He has listed some of those doctrines he thinks contradicts the Bible like bowing and praying to graven images, praying with rosary, purgatory teaching, making confessions to a fellow man-Rev Father, Preaching of Mary being a virgin all through her life, Just to mention a few. You've not responded to any of them but repeating the same questions which he has given you answers to. I'm interested in learning about these two, cos the Catholics around me I've asked become angry and combative when I ask them for biblical clarifications of their doctrines, instead of enlightening me.

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture

2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)

9inches:


That's pertaining to number 1 only.

He is yet to fill number 2 (very important)

Number 2 should then segway him into (3), where he should critic (2) and expose the contradictions or the false teachings therein.

Since you are interested, you can fill in (2) and (3) and I will weigh in.

AlanTuringAI:

How do you expect me or him to give you answers to number 2 when we are not Catholics. How do you expect me to know authentic Catholic sources from fake ones, and what they say about those questions raised in number 1 when we are not Catholics? Our source is the Bible and we felt those doctrines contradict the Bible. Tell us proofs from the same Bible that those doctrines do not contradict the Bible. That's not too much to ask.

9inches:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture

9inches:

2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)

(Col. 2:

9inches:

3. State where and how that Catholic doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

9inches:


I admire how you are making things up in your imagination. Attributing to me statements I did not make only to counter the statements thinking you countered my own statements.
I posed you a challenge:

1. Mention any Catholic doctrine you think contradicts the Scripture
2. State or quote the exact interpretation of that doctrine from an authentic Catholic source (what does the Church teach about this?)
3. State where and how that doctrine contradicts the Scripture.

9inches:
Like I said, if you are willing to learn. Students don't set rules on how their teachers teach them. A good student pays attention to the teacher and asks questions if need be.

brocab:
My second time explaining these same verses-maybe you are looking for the wrong answers, and not the truth.

FACT: Catholics are taught to call their priest, "Father", as a religious title of respect. Christians in the first century never called their leaders, "father". This first happened hundreds of years later.

Catholics try to prove the infallibility of the Catholic Church by stating that the Catholic Church is the infallible interpreter of the Bible. Their claim makes the church equal, if not superior, to the Bible and is another of their efforts to present the Catholic Church as an authority in religion instead of the Bible only. Please notice the following from Catholic sources:
"To make it in any sense an infallible revelation, or in other words a revelation at all to us, we need a power to interpret the testament that shall have equal authority with that testament itself." (The Question Box, p. 95)
"An infallible Bible is no use without an infallible interpreter..." (My Catholic Faith, p. 145).
"The Scriptures can never serve as a complete Rule of Faith and a complete guide to heaven independently of an authorized, living interpreter." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 68).
"The Church is the only divinely constituted teacher of Revelation. Now, the Scripture is the great depository of the Word of God. Therefore, the Church is the divinely appointed Custodian and Interpreter of the Bible. For, her office of infallible Guide were superfluous if each individual could interpret the Bible for himself...God never intended the Bible to be the Christians' rule of faith independently of the living authority of the Church." (Ibid., p. 77).
There are no passages in the Bible which state that Christ made His church the infallible interpreter of His Word. There are none that mention an infallible interpreter and none that hint or remotely imply that Christ wanted one. How, then, do the Catholic officials go about proving their tremendous claims? First they try to do so by implying that the Bible cannot be understood. Notice the following:
"For the Scripture is not like other books, dictated by the Holy Ghost, it contains things of deepest importance, which in many instances are very difficult and obscure. To understand and explain such things there is always required the coming of the same Holy Ghost." (The Great encyclical Letters of Leo XII, p. 227).
"We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith...because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance..." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 73).
"Is it possible to misunderstand the Bible? Yes, even the Bible itself says so. 'In these epistles there are certain things difficult to understand, which the unlearned and the unstable distort, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures also, to their own destruction' (2nd Peter 3:16)." (A Catechism for Adults, p. 10)
Catholic officials follow up this claim by stating that one can get the true meaning only from the Catholic Church. As we said before, the Catholics have no passages which mention an official interpreter and, thus, they try to support their claim through human logic and reasoning. Anytime men do such, it amounts to nothing more than human philosophy rather than Scriptural proof. The Bible says, "Let God be true, but every man a liar..." (Rom. 3:4)
It also warns, "See to it that no one deceives you by philosophy and vain deceit, according to human traditions, according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ." (Col. 2:
The inspired writers taught that we most certainly can understand the Scriptures. "For we write nothing to you that you do not read and understand." (2 Cor. 1:13) "Therefore do not become foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is." (Eph. 5:17)

FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. {Revelation 4:8} has "angels singing" not "men praying".One of the great wonders of the world to me is how anyone could claim to be a Catholic and still believe the Bible is God's Word. Even the Catholic Douay version of the Bible condemns the Catholic faith repeatedly.
The honest truth is that Catholics have been brainwashed to accept the traditional teachings of the Vatican as superior to whatever the Word of God actually says.
Jesus plainly condemned placing the traditions of religion over the Word of God (Mark 7:6-13, Psalm 118:8 ) admonishes, "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." I'll give you several examples of how the Catholic religion contradicts the Bible, placing man's tradition over God's Word.
Bowing to Mary is Idolatry!
There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible leading Christians to recognize Mary, adore Mary, or talk to Mary. Although most Catholics deny worshipping Mary, a picture is worth 1,000 words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vl1n__bbY
Pope John Paul II adoring Our Lady of Fatima, are clear irrefutable evidences of idolatry. Look up the word "worship" in any dictionary and you'll find that Catholics do indeed WORSHIP Mary and other hordes of dead saints. Those who want to fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church and accept it as a true "church" are ignoring its blasphemous teachings concerning Mary.
The Catholic religion is straight out of the pits of Hell!
"Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols" {Psalm 97:7}
The Vatican II Council and the New Catholic Catechism reaffirmed that Mary is the sinless Mother of God, that she ascended bodily to Glory (i.e., the Assumption of Mary) and was crowned as the Queen of Heaven, that she can hear and answer prayer.
Of course, no such teachings are found ANYWHERE in the Bible. Mary is NOT the queen of heaven, she did NOT ascend bodily, and Mary certainly is NOT sinless! The mother of Jesus was a sinner!
Where in the world did anyone ever get the twisted idea that Mary was sinless? No such teaching is taught in the Word of God. The Bible is clear in {Romans 3:23}... "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." That includes Mary! The ONLY sinless being who ever walked this earth was the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15)
{Exodus 20:4,5}"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God
In state of all this, if the traditions were verbally said among the apostles, it would have been written in the bible, but as strange as it seems none of what the Catholic Church believes men should do, isn't mentioned..