jamescross:
so Paul was deceiving himself

By saying what?

paxonel:
By saying what?

1 Corinthians 14:14

paxonel:
Tongue speaking is absolute deception when the speaker have no interpretation

The present and prevalent view on "speaking in tongues" also known as tongue speaking or alternatively as speaking in languages which most are raised with and made or forced to believe, is incorrect because the indoctrination is based on faulty understanding and misinformation

jamescross:
so Paul was deceiving himself

Paul wasnt deceiving himself brother
unfortunately same cant be said of many misled into peddling a con

Do you know the great advantage about telling the truth?
Nobody ever believes it.

Truth is like the sun.
One can shut it out for a time, can run from it, can bury head in sand to hide from it
but it dont mean it is not still out there, it doesnt mean it's gone or will go away.
Truth like the sun, doesnt go away.
Truth haunts.

jamescross:
1 Corinthians 14:14

¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.
¹⁵Well then, what shall I do?
I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand.
I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand.
¹⁶For if you praise God only in the spirit, how can those who don’t understand you praise God along with you?
How can they join you in giving thanks when they don’t understand what you are saying?
¹⁷You will be giving thanks very well, but it won’t strengthen the people who hear you.
¹⁸I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you.
¹⁹But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others
than ten thousand words in an unknown language
- 1 Corinthians 14:14-19

I have helped with bringing out the context surrounding 1 Corinthians 14:14
So please share your understanding of 1 Corinthians 14:14

jamescross:
you highlighted babbling but left out many words

you stated what a thing is not and not fully clarify what exactly it is.

What is there to clarify?
It is exactly what is said on the tin.
What more do you want made clear, shed or throw light on about speaking in tongue or speaking in a language?

jamescross:
so is groaning in the spirit babbling?

No, groaning in the spirit is not babbling

[i]¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.
Muttleylaff, to speak is to be heard by men, to pray is to heard by God. Do you agree?

speaking in tongues and praying in the spirit/in tongues are two seperate things. people can forge speaking in tongues like they tend to manipulate any other gift.

when a person gets born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit like every new born child they cry out. that praying in tongue that is not a result of human mind but of the Spirit is a praise to God. it comes upon a person suddenly overwhelming that person with God's love. this is personal

speaking in tongues is for prophecy, edification and needs correct interpretation. this is service, for others.

babbling is vain repitition of words thought by men. isaiah 29:13 instead of inspired by the Spirit john 4:24

jamescross:
¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.
- 1 Corinthians 14:13-14

Muttleylaff, to speak is to be heard by men, to pray is to heard by God.
Do you agree?

Face palm. Please, please spare me this
OK, let me give you a chance to explain yourself
What are you getting at with:
"to speak is to be heard by men, to pray is to heard by God"

jamescross:
speaking in tongues and praying in the spirit/in tongues are two seperate things.
people can forge speaking in tongues like they tend to manipulate any other gift

SMH, brother. Brother why, why now, why this
OK, lets go there
1) jamescross how are you? (i.e. written out words said in a language, and the spoken language happened to be english)
2) jamescross may your day be blessed today (i.e. written out a prayer said in a spoken language, and the language happened to be english)

jamescross, please tell me how #1 and #2 are separate things, where and when, using words, I first spoke and then prayed in english?

jamescross:
when a person gets born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit like every new born child they cry out.
that praying in tongue that is not a result of human mind but of the Spirit is a praise to God. it comes upon a person suddenly overwhelming that person with God's love. this is personal

You havent properly understood speaking in tongues,
yet you are bringing born again into the mix

jamescross:
speaking in tongues is for prophecy, edification and needs correct interpretation. this is service, for others

Speaking in tongues is for unbelievers
I doubt you understand the identity of the unbelievers
or know who originally the unbelievers were, that spurred speaking in tongues and of which the statement in 1 Corinthians 14:22 is based on

jamescross:
babbling is vain repitition of words thought by men. isaiah 29:13 instead of inspired by the Spirit john 4:24

Brother, in order to correctly understand what Isaiah 29:13 or Matthew 15:7-9 is talking about
I think you need to pretty fast, look up, the meaning of lip service

Brother, in order to correctly understand what Isaiah 29:13 or Matthew 15:7-9 is talking about
I think you need to pretty fast, look up, the meaning of lip service

if your saying i misused those verses, and your correct explanation is just lip service, does that nullify my point that the 'babbling' stated isn't just gibberish that the human mind can't understand. but like lip service it lacks heart and so did your interpretation - which bypasses the point of a text to argue words out of context.

it's not the words God looks at, it's the heart. the heartfelt prayer but when you focus on the intellectualism of prayer as it much be understood then you forget hannah and become like those ever learning but never knowing the truth

worshiping with rules taught by men yes could be lip service as stated in isa 29:13 then consider the full text and see that to God it's about the relationship with him and not what is spoken out.

cc muttleylaff

MuttleyLaff:
SMH. Facepalm. SMH
I have never read nor come across a discombobulated post such as this before
I expect you too, do a runner soon after questions are put to you, just like Ronpet777 earlier did, running away retreating with tail between legs

I doubt you objectively read OPs post
SMH. The greater the ignorance, the greater the dogmatism.
The thing about the truth is, not a lot of people can handle it

So by going to church just to return to reply comments now is running away? U expect me to be online even while d main topic of discussion shld be happening in church? Abi na by force to reply
I tire for pple here o

Ronpet777:
So by going to church just to return to reply comments now is running away?
U expect me to be online even while d main topic of discussion shld be happening in church?

What and where is church Ronpet777?
What and where is ekklesia Ronpet777?

Ronpet777:
Abi na by force to reply
I tire for pple here o

Next time think twice before biting on more than you can chew
Or better still, dont nibble on something your stomach hast been trained to handle

MuttleyLaff:
What and where is church Ronpet777?
What and where is ekklesia Ronpet777?

Next time think twice before biting on more than you can chew
Or better still, dont nibble on something your stomach hast been trained to handle

Sir, with all due respect, U sound more shallow than ur age commands. I have gone tru d comments and hv seen someone who corrected u that Speaking in tongues is completely different from Praying in tongues with Bible citations but u insulted him instead.How then will I waste my time with an obstinate ignorant dogmatic individual
I speak with pple who can learn not pple who feel they knw all.

Speaking in tongues is for unbelievers

I doubt you understand the identity of the unbelievers
or know who originally the unbelievers were, that spurred speaking in tongues and of which the statement in 1 Corinthians 14:22 is based on

muttleylaff

when i first said you leave out words i meant it. "tongues are a SIGN for unbelievers"

do tell me who this original unbelievers you are referring to. is it those that witnessed the event of the upper room?

just like God's miracles are signs he does through a believer to display his wonders and presence.

it is not even for them to understand it. you can read vs 21,24 even in acts only a part of them came to understand what was happening.

except you have another reason written in the bible why God gave tongues, as a sign unto others.

vs 5 tells us that interpretation to tongues edifies the church, tongues is not as you put it > (just) for unbelievers.

MuttleyLaff:
The present and prevalent view on "speaking in tongues" also known as tongue speaking or alternatively as speaking in languages which most are raised with and made or forced to believe, is incorrect because the indoctrination is based on faulty understanding and misinformation

Paul wasnt deceiving himself brother
unfortunately same cant be said of many misled into peddling a con

Do you know the great advantage about telling the truth?
Nobody ever believes it.

Truth is like the sun.
One can shut it out for a time, can run from it, can bury head in sand to hide from it
but it dont mean it is not still out there, it doesnt mean it's gone or will go away.
Truth like the sun, doesnt go away.
Truth haunts.

¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.
¹⁵Well then, what shall I do?
I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand.
I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand.
¹⁶For if you praise God only in the spirit, how can those who don’t understand you praise God along with you?
How can they join you in giving thanks when they don’t understand what you are saying?
¹⁷You will be giving thanks very well, but it won’t strengthen the people who hear you.
¹⁸I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you.
¹⁹But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others
than ten thousand words in an unknown language
- 1 Corinthians 14:14-19

I have helped with bringing out the context surrounding 1 Corinthians 14:14
So please share your understanding of 1 Corinthians 14:14

You are on point bro

MuttleyLaff:
Face palm. Please, please spare me this
OK, let me give you a chance to explain yourself
What are you getting at with:
"to speak is to be heard by men, to pray is to heard by God"
SMH, brother. Brother why, why now, why this
OK, lets go there
1) jamescross how are you? (i.e. written out words said in a language, and the spoken language happened to be english)
2) jamescross may your day be blessed today (i.e. written out a prayer said in a spoken language, and the language happened to be english)

jamescross, please tell me how #1 and #2 are separate things, where and when, using words, I first spoke and then prayed in english?

paul wrote speaking in tongues with ref to it being heard by believers and unbelievers.
you quoted matt 6:7 which is about prayer and being heard by God.

In both 1 and 2, your speaking to me. in 2 is where paul says when you speak in tongue to a believer, interpret.

Ronpet777:
Sir, with all due respect, U sound more shallow than ur age commands

Isnt it charming when people have no other choice other than to resort to ad hominem
Keep your eye on the board, not the player

Ronpet777:
I have gone tru d comments and hv seen someone who corrected u that Speaking in tongues is completely different from Praying in tongues with Bible citations but u insulted him instead

I dare you to reproduce where and when I insulted anyone on this thread

Ronpet777:
How then will I waste my time with an obstinate ignorant dogmatic individual

You've just succinctly described yourself

Do you, after off loading that bile off your chest, feel better now?
Obviously, the only people who are mad at anyone for speaking the truth are those people who are living a lie

Ronpet777:
I speak with pple who can learn not pple who feel they knw all

"Ọgẹdẹ nbajẹ, o nsope o npọn"
loosely meaning:
The banana is yellow and rotting away but it likes to think, it is ripening and so maturing

jamescross:
1 Corinthians 14:14

Read verse 15 as well.

1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also...

That means you must understand what you are saying so that if someone ask you, what are you saying while praying? You should be able to explain to the person so that you will be seen as a mad man

paxonel:

Read verse 15 as well.

1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also...

That means you must understand what you are saying so that if someone ask you, what are you saying while praying? You should be able to explain to the person so that you will be seen as a mad man

paul said ALSO he didn't say ONLY. it means there are times he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding. ok

MuttleyLaff:


Once Evil grin bitten.
Twice Evil grin shy
Thrice Evil grin's not going to happen

Wanna bet?

jamescross:
muttleylaff
when i first said you leave out words i meant it.
"tongues are a SIGN for unbelievers"

I am glad you know and accept that speaking in tongues is a SIGN for unbelievers

Remember you wrote:
"speaking in tongues is for prophecy, edification and needs correct interpretation. this is service, for others"

Now, tell me, with your remark reproduced above, which is what I responded to,
who really left words out, who is leaving out words, when after all, I was just sweeping and picking up after you, what and all, you dropped?

jamescross:
do tell me who this original unbelievers you are referring to.
is it those that witnessed the event of the upper room?

I love enquiry minds
To be honest, I like your inquiry mind, but I doubt you're ready or have the stamina

jamescross:
just like God's miracles are signs he does through a believer to display his wonders and presence.
it is not even for them to understand it.
you can read vs 21,24 even in acts only a part of them came to understand what was happening.
except you have another reason written in the bible why God gave tongues, as a sign unto others.
vs 5 tells us that interpretation to tongues edifies the church, tongues is not as you put it > (just) for unbelievers.

This is hard work
that only can be done as a labour of love and nothing else

1.) jamescross please tell me do you speak in tongues?
2.) Are there any of the tongues you speak, that you dont understand what you are saying?
3.) How often do you speak in this particular tongue, that you dont understand when speaking it?
4.) What is its name, what do you call this particular tongue, that you dont understand when speaking it?
5.) Do you prefer speaking in this particular tongue, that you dont understand when speaking it?
6.) What is the reason(s) why you prefer speaking in this particular tongue, that you dont understand when speaking it?
7.) Do you pray in and/or with this particular tongue, that you dont understand when praying in it?
8.) Do you sing in and/or with this particular tongue, that you dont understand when singing in it?
9.) Why, what is the reason(s) why you prefer praying in this particular tongue, that you dont understand when praying in it?
10) Give all places and instances, where and when you speak in this particular tongue, that you dont understand when speaking it?

jamescross:
if your saying i misused those verses, and your correct explanation is just lip service,
does that nullify my point that the 'babbling' stated isn't just gibberish that the human mind can't understand.
but like lip service it lacks heart and so did your interpretation - which bypasses the point of a text to argue words out of context.

Do you accept that Isaiah 29:13 or Matthew 15:7-9 is talking about how some promise to do something but in reality do diddy squat nothing?
Do you accept that Isaiah 29:13 or Matthew 15:7-9 is talking about when people talk the talk but dont walk the walk?

Babbling is talk done rapidly and continuously in an excited unintelligble and/or incomprehensible way
whilst lip service is just saying something but not actually do it or plan to do what's just said

jamescross:
it's not the words God looks at, it's the heart.
the heartfelt prayer but when you focus on the intellectualism of prayer as it much be understood then you forget hannah and become like those ever learning but never knowing the truth

I am glad you brought up Hannah
Though I was waiting for a window of opportunity to bring her on to the thread, I will leave her for latter and a much more appropriate time

jamescross:
worshiping with rules taught by men yes could be lip service as stated in isa 29:13

Refer back to above

jamescross:
then consider the full text and see that to God it's about the relationship with him and not what is spoken out.

This is just a straw man

jamescross:
Paul said ALSO he didn't say ONLY.
it means there are times he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding
and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding. ok

SMH. Chief, be careful.
What is OK in what you wrote? Stop it already.
Where, how, when did Paul say he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding?
Is that what 1 Corinthians 14:14-19 is dealing with and talking about?
Are you sure you know, recognise and/or understand a conditional remark when you see one?

muttleylaff when seperating what tongues is for you and what it is for others as the bible wrote i didn't specify who in the 'others'. now you brought in the who and claimed the others are only unbelievers then i mentioned to you a sign to unbelievers w/o interpretation and like i said an edification to believers with interpretation.

in your 10questions you did alot of assumption of what my answer would be, making your own conclusions and interrogation.

yes, as often as the spirit groans in me
4. i can name it if i was taught it
5. my preference would be considered if it's inspired from my mind. but i am spirit and i'm willing
6. yet again you assume my answer is yes
7. am aware i am praying in it
8. oh i understand very well
9. repeat of number 6
10. in private, in prayer as i am lead and in time God gives me the interpretion. he is the revealer of all mysteries and speaking in tongue is speaking the mysteries of God.

Ishilove:

It's a lesson. Not everyone on Nairaland is a kid. Henceforth I will be careful how I abuse people here o because I fit dey abuse my papa mate and my folks didn't raise me to disrespect my elders

No be small o. Dis small children are making this place seem like it's all kids zone.

Abeg make this my mouth clip up.

MuttleyLaff:
SMH. Chief, be careful.
What is OK in what you wrote? Stop it already.
Where, how, when did Paul say he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding?
Is that what 1 Corinthians 14:14-19 is dealing with and talking about?
Are you sure you know, recognise and/or understand a conditional remark when you see one?

that's a reply to someelse about 1 corin 14:14 and 15

is it the 'if' there that you issue with. the condition there is simple and clear now. MY SPIRIT

dude all this your talk it's clear you don't know Holy Spirit (note= i didn't write you don't know ABOUT the Holy Spirit)

The condition for him praying in tongues is the Spirit.

vs 15 i will pray with the spirit
in vs 27 also tells you there are times another person is needed present to interpret.

now telling me to quote from scripture an explanation to a scripture i gave using my own words in a simpler form so another can understand is what?

Emmanystone:

No be small o. Dis small children are making this place seem like it's all kids zone.

Abeg make this my mouth clip up.

Although there are some elders that will never respect themselves. There is one in Autos section who speaks to female Nairalanders like he is talking to his neighbour's children. I don't hesitate to soundly cuss this category of 'elders'

MuttleyLaff:
Do you accept that Isaiah 29:13 or Matthew 15:7-9 is talking about how some promise to do something but in reality do diddy squat nothing?
Do you accept that Isaiah 29:13 or Matthew 15:7-9 is talking about when people talk the talk but dont walk the walk?
Babbling is talk done rapidly and continuously in an excited unintelligble and/or incomprehensible way
whilst lip service is just saying something but not actually do it or plan to do what's just said
I am glad you brought up Hannah
Though I was waiting for a window of opportunity to bring her on to the thread, I will leave her for latter and a much more appropriate time

those two options are as useless as your refusal to accept the true meaning of the texts.

why are you confusing yourself bringing up lip service and babbling. are you saying God only listens to intelligent people, because i do know the bible says God sees the heart.

you do know that matt 15 was rebuking the traditions of men. do do do..

jamescross:
muttleylaff when seperating what tongues is for you and what it is for others as the bible wrote i didn't specify who in the 'others'.

I will again refer you to what you wrote
This is what you originally wrote:
"speaking in tongues is for prophecy, edification and needs correct interpretation. this is service, for others"

jamescross:
now you brought in the who and claimed the others are only unbelievers

"Speaking in tongues is for unbelievers
I doubt you understand the identity of the unbelievers
or know who originally the unbelievers were,
that spurred speaking in tongues and of which the statement in 1 Corinthians 14:22 is based on"
- © MuttleyLaff

jamescross, please, I beg you play fair and square.
Dont introduce words I didnt use, when referring back to whatever I've written
Do you see ONLY in my above reproduced remark?
Or you just felt, it will be nice to add ONLY to the statement I made

I take time to carefully read your posts and try to understand them, where I dont, where its not clear or is murky, I ask questions
so please be focus and let that be the last time you go for cheap shots

jamescross:
then i mentioned to you a sign to unbelievers w/o interpretation

How do you mean:
"a sign to unbelievers w/o interpretation"

jamescross:
and like i said an edification to believers with interpretation

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:
but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
- 1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV

"So then languages are established for a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers,
but prophecy is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe."
- 1 Corinthians 14:22

Wow, I just marvel, it must be a gift, how you effortlessly and so easily stand 1 Corinthians 14:22 on its head

jamescross:
in your 10 questions you did a lot of assumption of what my answer would be, making your own conclusions and interrogation.

yes, as often as the spirit groans in me
4. i can name it if i was taught it
5. my preference would be considered if it's inspired from my mind. but i am spirit and i'm willing
6. yet again you assume my answer is yes
7. am aware i am praying in it
8. oh i understand very well
9. repeat of number 6
10. in private, in prayer as i am lead and in time God gives me the interpretion.
he is the revealer of all mysteries and speaking in tongue is speaking the mysteries of God.

jamescross you've the wrong assumption of me
I havent asked you any hard questions, at least not yet for now
How can I have already made conclusions when I dont even know your answers to the questions I asked?
You made a right dog's dinner in answering the questions
Questions 1, 2, and 3 are missing, the ones that arent, they are half heartedly answered with a defensive and suspicious mind set
You made sure you defeated the purpose of trying to search your mind

I expect quality plus high standards
not mediocre, badly planned thought outs and/or knee-jerk reactions from you

Ishilove:

Although there are some elders that will never respect themselves. There is one in Autos section who speaks to female Nairalanders like he is talking to his neighbour's children. I don't hesitate to soundly cuss this category of 'elders'

That one has no respect for himself. How will he raise his kids like that?

Emmanystone:

That one has no respect for himself. How will he raise his kids like that?

Na their type dey wash their wife pant for house, and then come to Nairaland to transfer the aggression

you will again quote half my post an try to take it round and round just to go in circles, in chess it's trying to be tricky and play for a draw.

now muttleylaff, i say something is for nigeria and you jump in and say it's for yoruba. i said you CLAIMED because it's not what your saying it's what your are claiming and still claiming.

your questions and that your response show your confusion. anothe analogy, it's like
1. are you a girl?
2. when do you change your sanitary pad?

first such a question as in 2 is based on what. was question 1 answered before such question 2 was asked. it could be a boy, or even a girt that doesn't use pad.

and i did answer 1,2,3 i just didn't number it. now i am going to make an assumption about you - it shows you don't take time to read and study before you draw out observation. your reacting to my writing in my posts and not necessary my point.

you want to reach my mind? lol first reach the point of my posts.

no just clarify your own point

jamescross:
that's a reply to someelse about 1 corin 14:14 and 15

is it the 'if' there that you issue with. the condition there is simple and clear now. MY SPIRIT

Dont skirt from the issue.
Did you or did you not make an ostentatious claim that Paul said he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding
and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding?
When you are pulled up on it, you are forming wobble

jamescross:
dude all this your talk it's clear you don't know Holy Spirit
(note= i didn't write you don't know ABOUT the Holy Spirit)

I was wondering when will you ever get to use the "it's clear you don't know Holy Spirit" line

Was it not you, I warned to stick to the board and not the player
Why, instead of taking pot shots at the player, cant you focus on the board and play your piece or cards
Let the piece you move, the card you play, do the talking
Hit with your moves, hit with the card in your hands and not with your hand

jamescross:
The condition for him praying in tongues is the Spirit.

vs 15 i will pray with the spirit
in vs 27 also tells you there are times another person is needed present to interpret.

now telling me to quote from scripture an explanation to a scripture i gave using my own words in a simpler form so another can understand is what?

If I won a lot of money, I'd travel the world" is an example of a conditional sentence
The statement doesnt mean I have or had won a lot of money
Same way, Paul wasnt saying he prays or prayed in an unknown tongue, where his spirit prayeth, and that his understanding is unfruitful.
Just a conditional clause of if, if it happens that I do, then this that or that happens or will happen

Here is the example to illustrate:
If I speak in an ibo tongue, in a Hausa tongue speaking gathering where none present in the Hausa tongue speaking gathering, understands the ibo tongue I am speaking, please tell me who is benefiting?
Who is being built up or edified, in that Hausa speaking gathering, where I was speaking in an ibo tongue?
It is going to be only me of course
but the minute, I or someone else, interpretes, then the rest present understands all said and get edified

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
- 1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV

Here is an illustration of what 1 Corinthians 14:2 is saying:
If you speak and understand only Ibo, but I, bilingual in Ibo and hausa, start to speak, preach or pray in hausa
Then the hausa tongue or language would be unknown to you, you wouldnt understand what I said, preached or prayed in hausa
I wouldnt be communicating with/to you, as it all be mysteries to you what I said, preached or prayed in hausa
Only God will understand what I said, preached or prayed in hausa, not you, as God understands all languages or tongues

¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.
¹⁵Well then, what shall I do?
I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand.
I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand.
¹⁶For if you praise God only in the spirit, how can those who don’t understand you praise God along with you?
How can they join you in giving thanks when they don’t understand what you are saying?
¹⁷You will be giving thanks very well, but it won’t strengthen the people who hear you.
- 1 Corinthians 14:14

"Baba wa ti nbẹ li ọrun
Ki a bọwọ fun orukọ Rẹ. Ki Ijọba Rẹ de
Ifẹ tiRẹ ni ki a ṣe, bo ti walọrun, bẹni ko wa laiye
Fun wa li onjẹ oojo wa loni
Dari gbese wa, ji wa
Bi awa ti ndariji awọn onigbese wa
Ma si fa wa sinu idewo
Sugbọn gba wa lọwọ bilisi
Nitori ijọba ni TiRẹ, ati agbara, ati ogo lailai. Amin!
- The Lord's Prayer in Yoruba language or tongue

Imagine this one too, a Hausa non-Yoruba speaking person has just being made to recite the above prayer
This was repeated without understanding or knowing what exactly the prayer is saying
Though in the spirit the praying is done but the soul (i.e. the mind faculty part of it) is unfruitful
The mind was unfruitful because it didnt understand diddly-squat of what's prayed in that Yoruba language or tongue that he/she just repeated

Lets get Emmanystone here to repeat that above The Lord's Prayer in Yoruba language,
she will gladly repeat but her mind will be unfruitful because it didnt understand diddly-squat of what's prayed in
Out of curiosity, she'll probably make a call out to Ishilove for interpretation and meaning of what she recited

MuttleyLaff:
Isnt it charming when people have no other choice other than to resort to ad hominem
Keep your eye on the board, not the player

I dare you to reproduce where and when I insulted anyone on this thread

You've just succinctly described yourself

Do you, after off loading that bile off your chest, feel better now?
Obviously, the only people who are mad at anyone for speaking the truth are those people who are living a lie

"Ọgẹdẹ nbajẹ, o nsope o npọn"
loosely meaning:
The banana is yellow and rotting away but it likes to think, it is ripening and so maturing

I take back my harsh words to u sir, U seem not to listen to any other opinion thoroughly, hence, my frustration with u.
I just hope u don't end up achieving apposite of Wot u shld be doing. U are creating negativity in pple's hrt, making them bliv speaking in tongues is scam and lies like ur topic states. This is unfair as a Christian.
Speaking in tongues is a special gift of d spirit given to born again Christians. He that prays in tongues speak mysteries to God. But u r proving d whole idea as erroneous and it is sad coming from a Christian.

Ronpet777:
I take back my harsh words to u sir, U seem not to listen to any other opinion thoroughly, hence, my frustration with u.
I just hope u don't end up achieving apposite of Wot u shld be doing.
U are creating negativity in pple's hrt, making them bliv speaking in tongues is scam and lies like ur topic states.
This is unfair as a Christian.
Speaking in tongues is a special gift of d spirit given to born again Christians.
He that prays in tongues speak mysteries to God.
But u r proving d whole idea as erroneous and it is sad coming from a Christian.

I bear you no malice.
People make mistakes and learn from them.
You need to pray and work on yourself in areas of the fruit of the spirit though
The flavour you need are gentleness and self-control

Just that you know, it is not my thread, nor my topic
Also I doubt you can produce where I have knocked speaking in tongues
What OP, I, Paxonel and others have tried to shed a light on,
is the elephant in the room counterfeit, you and others have probably gotten used to as speaking in tongue(s)